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📊 Peer Group
📈 Was ist das?
Die Peer Group sind die Unternehmen mit dem ähnlichsten Geschäftsmodell. Sie dienen als Vergleichsmaßstab, um eine Aktie einzuordnen.
🧮 Wie wird sie ausgewählt?
Nach Ähnlichkeit des Geschäftsmodells, also Unternehmen aus derselben Branche, mit vergleichbaren Produkten und einer ähnlichen Kundengruppe. Nur so vergleichst du Äpfel mit Äpfeln.
🏛️ Wofür ist sie wichtig?
Ob eine Aktie günstig oder teuer ist, lässt sich am ehesten im Vergleich beurteilen. Ein KGV von 18 oder ein EV/FCF von 20 wirkt je nach Maßstab günstig oder teuer. Die Peer Group liefert dabei den treffsichersten Maßstab: Unternehmen mit ähnlichem Geschäftsmodell, die denselben Bedingungen unterliegen.
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
Liegt eine Kennzahl unter dem Peer-Durchschnitt, ist die Aktie relativ günstiger bewertet, über dem Durchschnitt entsprechend teurer. Ein Abschlag zur Peer Group kann eine Chance sein, aber auch einen Grund haben (zum Beispiel geringeres Wachstum). Der Vergleich ist ein Startpunkt, kein Urteil.
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📘 Marktkapitalisierung
📈 Was ist das?
Die Marktkapitalisierung zeigt, wie viel ein Unternehmen laut Börse aktuell wert ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie hilft Unternehmen in Größenklassen (Large, Mid, Small Cap) einzuordnen und gibt Hinweise auf Marktmacht und Stabilität.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Große Unternehmen gelten als stabiler, zahlen oft Dividenden, wachsen aber langsamer.
- Kleine Firmen können stärker wachsen, sind aber schwankungsanfälliger.
- Die Marktkapitalisierung ist ein guter Indikator für Unternehmensgröße, aber kein Maß für Unter- oder Überbewertung.
📘 Enterprise Value (Unternehmenswert)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Enterprise Value (EV) zeigt, was ein Unternehmen tatsächlich kostet, wenn man es komplett übernehmen würde – inklusive Schulden und abzüglich Cash.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
(= Marktkapitalisierung + Nettoverschuldung)
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der EV ist eine realistischere Bewertungsbasis als die Marktkapitalisierung, da er die Kapitalstruktur berücksichtigt. Er ist Grundlage für Kennzahlen wie EV/FCF oder EV/Sales.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Der Enterprise Value zeigt, was ein Unternehmen tatsächlich wert ist – unabhängig davon, wie es finanziert ist.
- Er ist besonders wichtig für professionelle Investoren, da er eine objektivere Grundlage für Bewertungsvergleiche bietet als die Marktkapitalisierung allein.
- Ein Unternehmen mit hoher Verschuldung erscheint im EV teurer, eines mit viel Cash günstiger – auch wenn sie an der Börse gleich viel wert sind.
📘 Nettoverschuldung
📈 Was ist das?
Die Nettoverschuldung zeigt, wie viele Schulden nach Abzug des verfügbaren Cashs tatsächlich verbleiben.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie zeigt, wie stark ein Unternehmen von Fremdkapital abhängig ist – und wie gut es in der Lage ist, seine Schulden kurzfristig zu bedienen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine niedrige oder negative Nettoverschuldung bedeutet hohe finanzielle Stabilität.
- Unternehmen mit viel Cash und geringer Verschuldung sind besser gerüstet für Krisen.
- Eine hohe Nettoverschuldung erhöht das Risiko – besonders bei steigenden Zinsen oder konjunkturellen Schwächen.
📘 Cash
📈 Was ist das?
Der Cashbestand zeigt, wie viele liquide Mittel einem Unternehmen sofort zur Verfügung stehen.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Er gibt Auskunft über die finanzielle Flexibilität: Ein hoher Cashbestand ermöglicht Investitionen, Rückkäufe oder Krisenresistenz.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Cashbestand zeigt finanzielle Stärke und Handlungsspielraum.
- Cash kann für Investitionen, Schuldentilgung oder Aktienrückkäufe genutzt werden.
- Allerdings: Zu viel ungenutztes Kapital kann auch auf mangelnde Investitionsideen hinweisen.
📘 Anzahl ausstehender Aktien
📈 Was ist das?
Die Anzahl ausstehender Aktien gibt an, wie viele Aktien eines Unternehmens aktuell im Umlauf sind und von Investoren gehalten werden.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie ist die Grundlage für viele Kennzahlen wie Gewinn je Aktie (EPS), Marktkapitalisierung oder KGV.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Je weniger Aktien im Umlauf sind, desto höher fällt z. B. der Gewinn je Aktie aus – wichtig für Bewertung und Dividendenrendite.
- Aktienrückkäufe verringern die Anzahl ausstehender Aktien – und steigern den Wert je Aktie.
- Kapitalerhöhungen haben den gegenteiligen Effekt: mehr Aktien → Verwässerung der bestehenden Anteile.
📘 Kurs-Gewinn-Verhältnis (KGV)
📈 Was ist das?
Das KGV zeigt, wie oft der Gewinn pro Aktie im aktuellen Aktienkurs enthalten ist – also wie „teuer“ eine Aktie im Verhältnis zum Gewinn ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das KGV gehört zu den bekanntesten Bewertungskennzahlen. Es hilft Anlegern einzuschätzen, ob eine Aktie im Vergleich zu ihrem Gewinn eher günstig oder teuer erscheint.
🧮 Berechnung
📊 KGV (TTM) = bezogen auf den Gewinn der letzten 12 Monate (Trailing Twelve Months):🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriges KGV kann auf eine günstige Bewertung hindeuten – oder auf Probleme im Geschäftsmodell.
- Ein hohes KGV kann Wachstumserwartungen widerspiegeln – oder eine überbewertete Aktie.
📘 Kurs-Umsatz-Verhältnis (KUV)
📈 Was ist das?
Das KUV zeigt, wie viel Anleger für 1 € Umsatz eines Unternehmens zahlen – unabhängig vom Gewinn.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das KUV ist besonders bei wachstumsstarken oder noch nicht profitablen Unternehmen hilfreich. Es zeigt, wie hoch der Umsatz an der Börse bewertet wird.
🧮 Berechnung
Marktkapitalisierung = 644,12 Mrd. $ | Umsatz (TTM) = 97,93 Mrd. $
Marktkapitalisierung = 644,12 Mrd. $ | Umsatz erwartet = 102,21 Mrd. $
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriges KUV kann auf Unterbewertung hindeuten – oder auf schwache Margen.
- Ein hohes KUV kann hohe Erwartungen widerspiegeln – oder übermäßigen Optimismus.
- Besonders sinnvoll bei Wachstumsunternehmen, bei denen der Gewinn oder Free Cashflow (noch) keine Aussagekraft hat.
📘 Unternehmenswert zu Umsatz (EV/Sales)
📈 Was ist das?
EV/Sales zeigt, wie viel Anleger für 1 € Umsatz eines Unternehmens zahlen, wenn man auch Schulden und Cash berücksichtigt – es ist eine kapitalstrukturbereinigte Version des KUV.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Kennzahl eignet sich besonders für den Vergleich von Unternehmen mit unterschiedlicher Verschuldung – sie zeigt, wie teuer ein Unternehmen tatsächlich im Verhältnis zum Umsatz ist.
🧮 Berechnung
Enterprise Value = 672,40 Mrd. $ | Umsatz (TTM) = 97,93 Mrd. $
Enterprise Value = 672,40 Mrd. $ | Umsatz erwartet = 102,21 Mrd. $
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- EV/Sales ist neutral gegenüber der Kapitalstruktur und eignet sich gut für Unternehmensvergleiche.
- Ein niedriges Verhältnis kann auf eine günstig bewertete Aktie hindeuten – ein hohes Verhältnis auf hohe Erwartungen oder Überbewertung.
- Besonders nützlich bei wachstumsstarken, noch nicht profitablen Firmen.
📘 Unternehmenswert zu Free Cashflow (EV/FCF)
📈 Was ist das?
EV/FCF zeigt, wie viele Jahre es dauern würde, bis ein Unternehmen seinen Unternehmenswert durch freien Cashflow „zurückverdient”.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Kennzahl hilft, Unternehmen auf Basis ihrer tatsächlichen Cash-Erträge zu bewerten – unabhängig von Bilanzierungsregeln oder buchhalterischem Gewinn.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriges EV/FCF deutet auf eine günstige Bewertung bei starker Cashgenerierung hin.
- Ein hohes EV/FCF kann entweder auf Optimismus oder auf temporär schwachen Cashflow hindeuten.
- Besonders hilfreich bei reifen, profitablen Unternehmen mit stabilen Cashflows.
📘 Kurs-Buchwert-Verhältnis (KBV)
📈 Was ist das?
Das KBV zeigt, wie hoch der Marktwert eines Unternehmens im Verhältnis zu seinem bilanziellen Eigenkapital ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das KBV ist besonders bei Substanzwerten (z. B. Banken, Industrie) relevant. Es hilft Anlegern zu erkennen, ob ein Unternehmen unter oder über seinem buchhalterischen Vermögen bewertet ist.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein KBV unter 1 kann auf Unterbewertung oder schwache Rentabilität hindeuten.
- Ein KBV über 1 zeigt, dass der Markt dem Unternehmen Mehrwert über den Buchwert hinaus zuschreibt (z. B. Marken, Patente, Wachstum).
- Das KBV eignet sich besonders gut für Unternehmen mit stabilen, materiellen Vermögenswerten.
📘 Dividende je Aktie
📈 Was ist das?
Die Dividende je Aktie zeigt, wie viel Geld ein Unternehmen pro Aktie an seine Aktionäre ausschüttet – typischerweise jährlich oder quartalsweise.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie ist die absolute Größe der Auszahlung je Aktie – wichtig für alle, die regelmäßige Erträge suchen oder Dividendenstrategien verfolgen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine stabile oder wachsende Dividende je Aktie ist oft ein Zeichen für ein solides Geschäftsmodell.
- Die Dividende je Aktie allein sagt aber nichts über die Rendite – dafür ist auch der Aktienkurs relevant (→ Dividendenrendite).
- Langfristig steigende Dividenden sind oft ein sehr gutes Merkmal (z. B. Dividenden-Aristokraten).
📘 Dividendenrendite
📈 Was ist das?
Die Dividendenrendite zeigt, wie hoch die Dividende eines Unternehmens im Verhältnis zum Aktienkurs ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie hilft dabei, Dividendenaktien vergleichbar zu machen – unabhängig vom absoluten Auszahlungsbetrag.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine stabile Dividendenrendite kann auf verlässliche Ausschüttungen hinweisen.
- Ein Vergleich der 1J- und 5J-Rendite hilft zu erkennen, ob das Dividendenwachstum mit dem Kurswachstum Schritt hält.
- Eine niedrige Rendite ist nicht zwingend negativ – sie kann auf starkes Kurswachstum hindeuten.
📘 Dividendenwachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Dividendenwachstum zeigt, wie stark ein Unternehmen seine Dividende je Aktie über die Zeit gesteigert hat.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
5J: durchschnittliche jährliche Wachstumsrate (CAGR)
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Stetig steigende Dividenden gelten als Zeichen für finanzielle Stärke und Aktionärsorientierung – besonders interessant für langfristige Investoren.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein stabiles Dividendenwachstum ist ein Zeichen nachhaltiger Ertragskraft.
- Ein hohes Dividendenwachstum kann ein erheblicher Hebel deiner Rendite sein:
- Wenn ein Unternehmen z. B. 1 € Dividende zahlt und diese über 5 Jahre jährlich um 15 % erhöht, bekommst du im 5. Jahr bereits 2 € je Aktie – doppelt so viel wie zu Beginn!
📘 Ausschüttungsquote (Payout)
📈 Was ist das?
Die Ausschüttungsquote zeigt, wie viel Prozent des Unternehmensgewinns (pro Aktie) als Dividende an die Aktionäre ausgeschüttet wird.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Quote hilft einzuschätzen, ob eine Dividende auf Dauer tragfähig ist – besonders im Verhältnis zum erzielten Gewinn.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine niedrige Ausschüttungsquote bedeutet: Das Unternehmen behält einen größeren Teil des Gewinns für Investitionen – typisch für Wachstumsunternehmen.
- Eine moderate Quote (z. B. 25–50 %) steht oft für ein gesundes Gleichgewicht zwischen Ausschüttung und Zukunftsinvestitionen.
- Hohe Ausschüttungsquoten können attraktiv wirken, sind aber riskanter, wenn die Gewinne schwanken oder sinken.
📘 Dividendensteigerungen in Folge (Erhöhungen)
📈 Was ist das?
Diese Kennzahl zeigt, wie viele Jahre in Folge ein Unternehmen seine Dividende pro Aktie erhöht hat – ohne Kürzung oder Aussetzung.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Ein langer Track Record kontinuierlicher Erhöhungen spricht für Verlässlichkeit, solide Finanzen und aktionärsfreundliche Unternehmenspolitik.
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein langer Zeitraum mit Dividendensteigerungen stärkt das Vertrauen – besonders in Krisenzeiten.
- Solche Unternehmen gelten als verlässlich und planbar für Einkommensinvestoren.
- Je länger die Serie, desto stärker das Commitment gegenüber den Aktionären.
📘 Umsatz
📈 Was ist das?
Der Umsatz zeigt, wie viel ein Unternehmen insgesamt mit seinen Produkten und Dienstleistungen verdient – also den Bruttoerlös vor Abzug von Kosten.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der Umsatz ist eine der zentralen Kennzahlen zur Einschätzung der Unternehmensgröße, Marktstellung und Wachstumskraft.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein wachsender Umsatz zeigt eine steigende Nachfrage und kann ein guter Frühindikator für Gewinnsteigerungen sein.
- Vergleiche von aktuellem und erwartetem Umsatz geben Hinweise auf das Marktumfeld und Analystenerwartungen.
- Wichtig: Starker Umsatz allein genügt nicht – auch Margen und Profitabilität zählen.
📘 EBITDA
📈 Was ist das?
EBITDA steht für „Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation and Amortization“ – also Gewinn vor Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen. Es zeigt das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens, bereinigt um bilanztechnische und finanzierungsbedingte Effekte.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
EBITDA ist eine verbreitete Kennzahl zur Beurteilung der operativen Leistungsfähigkeit – insbesondere bei kapitalintensiven Unternehmen oder im internationalen Vergleich.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hohes oder wachsendes EBITDA spricht für starke operative Erträge – unabhängig von Bilanzierung oder Steuerlast.
- EBITDA ist besonders nützlich, um Unternehmen branchenübergreifend zu vergleichen.
- Wichtig: EBITDA ist keine offizielle Gewinnkennzahl – Abschreibungen und Finanzierungskosten werden ausgeklammert.
📘 EBIT
📈 Was ist das?
EBIT steht für „Earnings Before Interest and Taxes“ – also Gewinn vor Zinsen und Steuern. Es zeigt das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens nach Abschreibungen, aber vor Finanzierungs- und Steueraufwand.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
EBIT ist eine zentrale Kennzahl zur Beurteilung der Profitabilität aus dem Kerngeschäft – unabhängig von Kapitalstruktur oder Steuersystem.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hohes EBIT deutet auf ein profitables Kerngeschäft hin – vor Zinslasten oder steuerlichen Effekten.
- Es erlaubt objektivere Vergleiche zwischen Unternehmen mit unterschiedlicher Finanzierung.
- Im Vergleich mit EBITDA zeigt EBIT bereits den Einfluss von Abschreibungen auf das operative Ergebnis.
📘 Nettogewinn
📈 Was ist das?
Der Nettogewinn ist der verbleibende Jahresüberschuss (oder -fehlbetrag) eines Unternehmens – nach Abzug aller Kosten, Steuern, Zinsen und Abschreibungen
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der Nettogewinn ist die zentrale Erfolgskennzahl – er zeigt, wie profitabel ein Unternehmen nach allen Kosten tatsächlich arbeitet.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein steigender Nettogewinn zeigt, dass das Unternehmen effizient wirtschaftet – trotz aller Kosten.
- Die Entwicklung des Gewinns beeinflusst z. B. direkt das KGV und weitere Kennzahlen.
- Im Zeitverlauf lässt sich ablesen, wie stabil und profitabel ein Geschäftsmodell wirklich ist.
📘 Free Cashflow (FCF)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Free Cashflow gibt Aufschluss über die echte finanzielle Stärke eines Unternehmens – unabhängig von Bilanzierungsregeln. Er zeigt, wie viel Spielraum für Dividenden, Aktienrückkäufe oder Schuldenabbau besteht.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
FCF reflects a company’s real financial strength – regardless of accounting profits. It shows how much flexibility a company has for dividends, share buybacks, or debt reduction.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Free Cashflow bedeutet, dass ein Unternehmen echte Finanzkraft besitzt – unabhängig vom bilanzierten Gewinn.
- Er ist oft die solideste Grundlage für nachhaltige Dividenden und Aktienrückkäufe.
- Sinkender FCF kann ein Warnsignal sein – auch wenn der Gewinn stabil aussieht.
📘 Umsatzwachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Umsatzwachstum zeigt, wie stark sich die Erlöse eines Unternehmens im Vergleich zum Vorjahr verändert haben – tatsächlich (TTM) und auf Prognosebasis (erwartet).
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (Umsatz erwartet ÷ Umsatz Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Erwartetes Wachstum basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Ein wachsender Umsatz ist ein zentrales Signal für steigende Nachfrage, Geschäftsausweitung und Marktanteilsgewinne – besonders bei Wachstumsunternehmen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Wachstum ist der Motor langfristiger Wertsteigerung – besonders bei Technologie- und Wachstumsaktien.
- Wichtig ist nicht nur das aktuelle Wachstum, sondern auch dessen Nachhaltigkeit.
- Prognosen zeigen, ob Analysten weiteres Potenzial erwarten – oder eine Verlangsamung.
📘 EBITDA-Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das EBITDA-Wachstum zeigt, wie stark das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens vor Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen im Vergleich zum Vorjahr gestiegen oder gesunken ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (erwartetes EBITDA ÷ EBITDA Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Erwartetes Wachstum basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Ein steigendes EBITDA ist ein Zeichen für verbesserte operative Ertragskraft – unabhängig von Finanzierungsstruktur oder Abschreibungen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Starkes EBITDA-Wachstum signalisiert operative Effizienz und Skalierung – besonders relevant in Wachstumsphasen.
- EBITDA-Wachstum ist ein Frühindikator für Margen- und Gewinnentwicklung – sollte aber stets im Zusammenhang mit Umsatz und EBIT betrachtet werden.
📘 EBIT Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das EBIT-Wachstum zeigt, wie stark das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens (nach Abschreibungen, aber vor Zinsen und Steuern) im Vergleich zum Vorjahr gewachsen ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (erwartetes EBIT ÷ EBIT Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Erwartetes Wachstum basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das EBIT-Wachstum ist ein direkter Indikator für die wirtschaftliche Entwicklung des operativen Geschäfts – unter Berücksichtigung der Kapitalintensität (Abschreibungen).
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Steigendes EBIT signalisiert wachsende operative Rentabilität – auch unter Berücksichtigung von Abschreibungen.
- Das EBIT-Wachstum ist ein wichtiges Maß zur Beurteilung von Geschäftsmodellen mit hohen Investitionskosten.
- Im Zusammenspiel mit Umsatz- und EBITDA-Wachstum ergibt sich ein umfassendes Bild zur operativen Entwicklung.
📘 Nettogewinn-Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Nettogewinn-Wachstum zeigt, wie stark der Jahresüberschuss eines Unternehmens gegenüber dem Vorjahr gestiegen oder gesunken ist – sowohl tatsächlich (TTM) als auch auf Basis von Prognosen (erwartet).
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (erwarteter Nettogewinn ÷ Nettogewinn Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Der erwartete Wert basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der Gewinn ist die entscheidende Ergebnisgröße für ein Unternehmen. Ein wachsender Nettogewinn deutet auf steigende Effizienz, stabile Kostenkontrolle und nachhaltige Ertragskraft hin.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Wachsender Nettogewinn stärkt die Bewertung, Dividendenfähigkeit und Kursfantasie.
- Stagnierender oder rückläufiger Gewinn trotz Umsatzwachstum kann auf Margendruck hinweisen.
📘 Free Cashflow-Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Free-Cashflow-Wachstum zeigt, wie sich der freie Mittelzufluss eines Unternehmens im Vergleich zum Vorjahr verändert hat – also der Betrag, der nach allen operativen Ausgaben und Investitionen übrig bleibt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Free Cashflow ist der echte, verfügbare Geldzufluss. Wachstum in diesem Bereich ist ein Zeichen für finanzielle Stärke und steigende Flexibilität bei Dividenden, Rückkäufen oder Investitionen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Sinkender Free Cashflow kann auf steigende Investitionen, höhere Kosten oder stagnierende operative Erträge hindeuten.
- Besonders bei Dividendenwerten ist das FCF-Wachstum wichtig – denn Dividenden werden letztlich aus dem verfügbaren Cash gezahlt.
- Ein negativer Trend sollte genauer analysiert werden – er ist nicht zwangsläufig schlecht, aber potenziell ein Warnsignal.
📘 Bruttomarge
📈 Was ist das?
Die Bruttomarge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz nach Abzug der direkten Herstellungskosten (Material, Produktion) als Bruttogewinn übrig bleibt – also der „Rohgewinn“ eines Unternehmens.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Auch: Bruttomarge = Bruttogewinn ÷ Umsatz × 100
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Bruttomarge gibt Aufschluss über die Profitabilität eines Produkts oder Geschäftsmodells vor Fixkosten, Steuern und Zinsen. Sie zeigt, wie effizient ein Unternehmen produzieren oder einkaufen kann.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Bruttomarge deutet auf starke Preissetzungsmacht und effiziente Herstellung hin.
- Sinkende Bruttomargen können auf Kostensteigerungen oder Preisdruck hindeuten.
- Besonders im Vergleich zu Wettbewerbern liefert die Bruttomarge wertvolle Einblicke in die Geschäftsqualität.
📘 EBITDA-Marge
📈 Was ist das?
Die EBITDA-Marge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz als operativer Gewinn vor Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen (EBITDA) übrig bleibt. Sie misst die operative Effizienz – ohne Verzerrungen durch Finanzierung oder Buchwerte.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die EBITDA-Marge hilft zu verstehen, wie viel operativer Gewinn ein Unternehmen aus jedem Euro Umsatz erzielt – unabhängig von Kapitalstruktur oder steuerlichem Umfeld.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe EBITDA-Marge zeigt starke operative Ertragskraft – unabhängig von Bilanzierungseffekten.
- Die Marge ermöglicht gute Vergleiche zwischen Unternehmen und Branchen.
- Ein stabiler oder wachsender Wert kann auf effiziente Kostenkontrolle und Skalierbarkeit hindeuten.
📘 EBIT-Marge
📈 Was ist das?
Die EBIT-Marge zeigt, wie viel Prozent des Umsatzes als operativer Gewinn nach Abschreibungen, aber vor Zinsen und Steuern übrig bleiben.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die EBIT-Marge misst die operative Ertragskraft eines Unternehmens unter Berücksichtigung der Kapitalintensität (z. B. Maschinen, Anlagen). Sie eignet sich gut zum Vergleich von Geschäftsmodellen mit unterschiedlich hohen Abschreibungen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe EBIT-Marge zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen auch nach Abschreibungen effizient arbeitet.
- Sie ist besonders relevant in kapitalintensiven Branchen.
- Langfristig stabile oder steigende Margen sind ein Zeichen wirtschaftlicher Stärke und Preissetzungsmacht.
📘 Nettomarge
📈 Was ist das?
Die Nettomarge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz am Ende als „Reingewinn“ übrig bleibt – also nach Abzug aller Kosten, Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Nettomarge gibt an, wie effizient ein Unternehmen über alle Stufen hinweg wirtschaftet. Sie zeigt, wie viel Gewinn tatsächlich je Euro Umsatz übrig bleibt.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Nettomarge zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen nicht nur operativ stark ist, sondern auch seine Finanzierung und Steuerbelastung im Griff hat.
- Vergleiche mit Wettbewerbern geben Einblicke in die wirtschaftliche Qualität.
- Sinkende Nettomargen trotz Umsatzwachstum können ein Warnsignal sein – etwa für steigende Kosten oder sinkende Effizienz.
📘 Free Cashflow Marge
📈 Was ist das?
Die Free-Cashflow-Marge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz nach Abzug aller operativen Ausgaben und Investitionen tatsächlich als freier Mittelzufluss übrig bleibt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Marge misst die echte Liquidität, die ein Unternehmen erwirtschaftet – unabhängig von Bilanzierungsregeln oder Abschreibungen. Sie ist besonders relevant für Dividenden, Rückkäufe und Investitionen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Free-Cashflow-Marge zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen nachhaltig liquide Mittel erwirtschaftet.
- Sie ist ein starkes Signal für finanzielle Stabilität und Ausschüttungspotenzial.
- Wichtig ist der langfristige Trend – sinkende Werte können auf steigende Investitionen oder rückläufige operative Effizienz hindeuten.
📘 Eigenkapitalquote
📈 Was ist das?
Die Eigenkapitalquote zeigt, wie hoch der Anteil des Eigenkapitals an der Bilanzsumme eines Unternehmens ist – also wie stark es sich aus eigenen Mitteln finanziert.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Eine hohe Eigenkapitalquote steht für finanzielle Stabilität, Krisenfestigkeit und gute Bonität. Sie ist besonders relevant bei der Beurteilung der Verschuldung.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Eigenkapitalquote signalisiert finanzielle Stabilität – besonders in Krisenzeiten.
- Ein niedriger Wert kann auf ein höheres Risiko oder eine aggressive Verschuldung hinweisen.
- Wichtig: Die Eigenkapitalquote sollte immer gemeinsam mit der Eigenkapitalrendite betrachtet werden. Nur so lässt sich beurteilen, ob ein Unternehmen nicht nur solide, sondern auch effizient wirtschaftet.
📘 Eigenkapitalrendite (ROE)
📈 Was ist das?
Die Eigenkapitalrendite zeigt, wie effizient ein Unternehmen mit dem Kapital seiner Aktionäre arbeitet – also wie viel Gewinn es pro Euro Eigenkapital erwirtschaftet.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Eigenkapitalrendite ist eine zentrale Rentabilitätskennzahl. Sie hilft Anlegern zu erkennen, ob das Unternehmen eine attraktive Verzinsung auf das eingesetzte Eigenkapital erwirtschaftet.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Eigenkapitalrendite spricht für ein starkes, effizientes Geschäftsmodell.
- Besonders interessant ist sie bei kapitalintensiven Firmen oder solchen mit hoher Eigenkapitalquote.
- Wichtig: Ein sehr hoher ROE kann auch auf hohe Schulden hinweisen – daher sollte sie immer im Kontext mit der Eigenkapitalquote betrachtet werden.
📘 Return on Capital Employed (ROCE)
📈 Was ist das?
ROCE misst die Gesamtrentabilität eines Unternehmens – also wie effizient es das eingesetzte Kapital (Eigen- und Fremdkapital) zur Gewinnerzielung nutzt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Das eingesetzte Kapital ist das gesamte betriebsnotwendige Kapital, unabhängig von der Finanzierungsquelle.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
ROCE eignet sich besonders gut für den Vergleich unterschiedlich finanzierter Unternehmen. Es zeigt, wie effektiv ein Unternehmen Kapital investiert – unabhängig von der Kapitalstruktur.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher ROCE zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen sein Kapital effizient einsetzt – unabhängig davon, ob es durch Eigen- oder Fremdkapital finanziert ist.
- Je höher der ROCE im Vergleich zu ähnlichen Unternehmen, desto mehr Wert schafft das Unternehmen mit seinem investierten Kapital.
- Besonders wichtig ist der ROCE bei Firmen mit hohen Investitionen – z. B. in Industrie, Energie oder Infrastruktur.
📘 Return on Invested Capital (ROIC)
📈 Was ist das?
ROIC zeigt, wie effizient ein Unternehmen das Kapital investiert, das langfristig im operativen Geschäft gebunden ist – unabhängig davon, ob es aus Eigen- oder Fremdkapital stammt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
- NOPAT = „Net Operating Profit After Taxes“
- Investiertes Kapital = operatives Vermögen abzüglich nicht-verzinster Schulden
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
ROIC ist eine der präzisesten Kennzahlen zur Bewertung der Kapitalrendite – besonders im Vergleich zur Eigenkapitalrendite, weil es Verzerrungen durch Schulden vermeidet. Er zeigt, ob ein Unternehmen Mehrwert für alle Kapitalgeber schafft.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher ROIC zeigt, wie gut ein Unternehmen mit dem tatsächlich investierten (betriebsnotwendigen) Kapital wirtschaftet.
- Im Unterschied zu ROCE wird nur Kapital betrachtet, das wirklich zur Finanzierung operativer Aktivitäten dient – und verzinst werden muss.
- Besonders hilfreich, um die Kapitalrendite von Unternehmen mit viel „überschüssigem“ Kapital oder zinsfreien Verbindlichkeiten realistisch zu vergleichen.
📘 Verschuldungsgrad (Leverage Ratio)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Verschuldungsgrad zeigt, wie stark ein Unternehmen durch verzinsliche Schulden (z. B. Kredite und Anleihen) im Verhältnis zum Eigenkapital finanziert ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Kennzahl hilft, das finanzielle Risiko und die Abhängigkeit von Fremdkapital zu beurteilen. Ein hoher Verschuldungsgrad kann die Eigenkapitalrendite steigern – birgt aber auch erhöhte Risiken bei Zinsanstiegen oder Liquiditätsengpässen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriger Verschuldungsgrad steht für finanzielle Stabilität und Unabhängigkeit.
- Ein hoher Wert kann auf erhöhte Risiken hinweisen – insbesondere bei schwankenden Zinsen oder konjunkturellen Schwächen.
- Wichtig: Immer im Kontext zur Branche und Kapitalintensität bewerten.
📘 Ergebnis je Aktie (EPS)
📈 Was ist das?
Das Ergebnis je Aktie (EPS) zeigt, wie viel Gewinn auf eine einzelne Aktie entfällt – und ist eine der wichtigsten Kennzahlen zur Bewertung von Unternehmen.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Die verwässerte Aktienanzahl berücksichtigt auch potenzielle neue Aktien, etwa durch Optionen, Wandelanleihen oder andere Umtauschrechte.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
EPS bildet die Basis für viele Bewertungskennzahlen wie KGV, PEG oder Payout Ratio. Es macht den Gewinn für Aktionäre vergleichbar – unabhängig von der Unternehmensgröße.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- EPS hilft, die Profitabilität pro Aktie zu erfassen – und ist besonders wichtig im Zeitvergleich oder im Vergleich mit Analystenschätzungen.
- Steigendes EPS kann ein Zeichen für stabiles Wachstum oder Aktienrückkäufe sein.
- Wichtig: Verwende verwässertes EPS für realistische Bewertungen – besonders bei stark aktienbasierten Vergütungssystemen.
📘 Free Cashflow je Aktie (FCF je Aktie)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Free Cashflow je Aktie zeigt, wie viel freier Mittelzufluss einem Unternehmen pro Aktie zur Verfügung steht – nach Investitionen, aber vor Dividenden oder Schuldentilgung.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der FCF je Aktie zeigt, wie viel liquide Mittel pro Aktie tatsächlich im Unternehmen verbleiben – wichtig für Dividenden, Aktienrückkäufe oder Schuldentilgung. Im Gegensatz zum Gewinn ist er schwerer manipulierbar und daher besonders aussagekräftig.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Free Cashflow je Aktie ist ein Zeichen für hohe finanzielle Flexibilität.
- Er zeigt, wie viel Kapital ein Unternehmen effektiv einsetzen oder ausschütten kann.
- Besonders relevant für dividendenstarke Unternehmen oder solche mit starker Kapitalrendite.
📘 Short Interest
📈 Was ist das?
Short Interest zeigt, wie viele Aktien eines Unternehmens aktuell leerverkauft wurden – also von Investoren geliehen und verkauft, in der Erwartung fallender Kurse.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Der Wert zeigt den Anteil der Aktien, der aktuell auf fallende Kurse spekuliert wird.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Short Interest dient als Stimmungsindikator: Ein hoher Wert deutet auf Skepsis oder negative Erwartungen gegenüber dem Unternehmen hin – kann aber auch zu einem „Short Squeeze“ führen, wenn der Kurs plötzlich steigt.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriger Short Interest deutet auf Vertrauen in das Unternehmen hin.
- Ein hoher Wert kann ein Warnsignal sein – oder eine Chance, wenn sich die Stimmung dreht.
- Besonders spannend in volatilen Märkten oder vor wichtigen Quartalszahlen.
📘 Employees
📈 Was ist das?
Die Mitarbeiteranzahl zeigt, wie viele Personen ein Unternehmen weltweit beschäftigt – ein Indikator für Größe, Struktur und Geschäftsmodell.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie hilft bei der Einschätzung von Skaleneffekten, Effizienz und Personalkosten. Zusammen mit Umsatz und Gewinn lassen sich Kennzahlen wie Produktivität je Mitarbeiter ableiten.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Viele Mitarbeiter bedeuten große operative Komplexität – aber auch hohes Umsatzpotenzial.
- Produktivität je Mitarbeiter ist ein wichtiger Indikator für Effizienz.
- Besonders spannend bei stark wachsenden Tech- oder Industrieunternehmen.
📘 Umsatz je Mitarbeiter
📈 Was ist das?
Der Umsatz je Mitarbeiter zeigt, wie viel Erlös ein Unternehmen durchschnittlich pro Beschäftigtem erwirtschaftet – eine Kennzahl für Effizienz und Produktivität.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Die Mitarbeiterzahl stammt in der Regel aus dem letzten verfügbaren Jahresbericht.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Kennzahl hilft, Geschäftsmodelle zu vergleichen – insbesondere zwischen arbeitsintensiven und technologiegetriebenen Unternehmen. Ein hoher Wert deutet auf Automatisierung, Effizienz oder hohen Wertschöpfungsanteil hin.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Umsatz je Mitarbeiter spricht für ein skalierbares und margenstarkes Geschäftsmodell.
- Ein niedriger Wert kann auf arbeitsintensive Prozesse oder geringere Wertschöpfung hinweisen.
- Besonders hilfreich beim Vergleich von Tech- vs. Industrieunternehmen.
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1. Question Answer
Great. Thanks so much, everybody. Good afternoon. I'm Terence Flynn, Morgan Stanley's U.S. biopharma analyst. For important disclosures, please see Morgan Stanley's research disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. If you have any questions, please reach out to your Morgan Stanley sales representative.
So I'm very pleased to be hosting Johnson & Johnson this afternoon. Joining us from the company, we have Joaquin Duato, the company's CEO and Chairman; and John Reed, Executive Vice President, Innovative Medicine, R&D. But thank you both so much for taking time out of your busy schedules to join us. Really appreciate it.
Maybe we'd start, I thought high level, Joaquin. The company laid out some long-term growth targets at the December 2023 Enterprise Business Review meeting. So maybe you could just level set us in terms of the progress you've made there, but also the rationale for providing those targets when you did?
Yes. Thank you. So there's been a lot of progress in Johnson & Johnson since 2023. First, we have a more focused portfolio today. We have three focus areas in innovative medicine, oncology, immunology and neuroscience, and then three focus areas, also medical technology, vision, surgery and cardiovascular. So I think we have a very well-balanced portfolio that has a mix of innovation and growth that is driving a new cycle of accelerated growth for Johnson & Johnson.
Since 2023, we have done what we said we were going to do. We said we were going to be able to grow through the STELARA biosimilar entry, and that's what we are doing, we did in 2025, and we are also doing it in '26. In both quarters in Q1 and Q2, we were able to beat analyst expectations in top and bottom line and also to raise our guidance. Our guidance today for '26 is 6.5% adjusted operational sales growth and 7.3% adjusted EPS growth. And for the first time for the company, we're going to be ahead of $100 billion in total revenue.
We also have said, and we said that in '23 that this was going to be the beginning of a cycle of growth. And we see 2027 being a better year than 2026, and we have line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade for total Johnson & Johnson. So together combined, due to our existing portfolio, the new product launches, our pipeline, I believe today, Johnson & Johnson has one of the cleanest growth stories in our sector.
Great. Perfect place to start the conversation. You're hosting another Enterprise Business Review Day here in early December. And so I know you're not going to get into a lot of the specifics because you want to save that for the day, but maybe just a high-level preview of some of the themes that you guys are focused on as we look ahead to December?
Thank you. So we're looking forward to that. We do it every 3 years, so it's an important event. And there's two main topics that we plan to cover there. One is providing more granularity to double-digit growth by the end of the decade, which is a frequent question that we get from investors. And we'll provide more granularity on the state of our portfolio, our new product launches and also our pipeline.
And the second one, it's going to be -- give you more confidence on the durability of our growth beyond 2030. So we'll provide more information on our earlier-stage pipeline in order to be able to give you more confidence that this cycle of growth is going to continue, it's going to be durable into the next decade.
Okay.
Looking at -- maybe a preview on that, if you just look at our pipeline with molecules that have achieved POC, they're now in Phase III, derisked. And moving forward, there are 12 molecules that have those criteria in the pipeline today. So we'll give some insights into what we see as the opportunities there. On top of right now, in addition to DARZALEX, our top medicine right now, we have 10 in-market medicines that are still pretty early in their life cycle journeys and growing robustly.
Okay. Great. Looking forward to it. The other area I wanted to talk about at a high level is the policy front. Just -- anything that's on your radar as we head into the midterms here, Joaquin? I know you guys are very plugged in to DC.
Yes. So compared to 2025, 2026 has been a more stable year from a policy perspective. I think we will agree all in that. It's likely that things may up before or after the midterms, although I don't see pharmaceutical pricing as the core theme of this election. I mean, I think all of you know that there are other topics that are more discussed than pharmaceutical pricing. I believe the things connected with affordability of medicines have been well addressed with some of the changes that have been done in Medicare Part D that have addressed some of the tension that existed before. So I don't anticipate that the midterms are going to create significant noise from a policy perspective.
Although there's always something going on in this space, but I don't think there's going to be anything that is going to constitute a major change. Things may change again into 2028 as we may have different changes there. But as far as the midterms go, I think that you may see some different ideas, but I don't believe that pharmaceutical pricing and affordability is going to be one of the main topics going into this election.
Okay. Great. The other one I want to touch on is just capital allocation, business development. And so I think high level, again, the company has become more streamlined. You spun off the consumer business several years ago. Orthopedics, we saw some headlines over the weekend there.
So maybe just talk to us about the shape of the business? And as you think about divesting assets, but also layering in additional assets, where we are in that journey on that front?
So a number of factors there. First, we have a strong balance sheet. We are only of 1 or 2 companies that have AAA credit rating. And we are proud of that because it's a reflection of our financial discipline. We are not married to that, but it's a reflection of the strength of our balance sheet and our financial discipline.
Our cash flow generation is strong, and we foresee that cash flow generation even becoming stronger as we accelerate growth into the rest of the decade because that will come with also improved margins. So we are optimistic about our cash flow generation, which is at the basis of us being able to do M&A.
When it comes to our capital allocation priorities, number one now is to fund our new product launches. We are at the early innings of a number of new product launches, both in MedTech and in Innovative Medicine. Some of them, I'm sure we will discuss. Some of them are ICOTYDE, our oral IL-23 peptide. We are launching also INLEXZO, our intravesical drug release system for bladder cancer.
We are launching RYBREVANT in lung cancer and pretty soon in head and neck cancer. We are planning to launch IMAAVY, our FcRn inhibitor also in some rheumatological indications. We just had the approval of our soft tissue robotic system, OTTAVA. We have a number of new catheters in electrophysiology that we plan to launch in the U.S. and globally.
So number one goal is to actually resource our new product launches which are core to the cycle of growth that we want to deliver. Number two is to resource our pipeline. John will talk about our pipeline, but we have a number -- a large number of assets in Phase III. And as you know, most of the expense in R&D is when you get into late stage. So we have a number of things that we have to fund in our pipeline. And we are trying to do also parallel development, multiple indications at the same time, multiple Phase IIIs so we are in the better position when we launch the product to maximize that opportunity.
So the second one is to identify opportunities in -- external opportunities. The sweet spot for us is to identify opportunities that are earlier on so we can create significant value using our scale in R&D, in manufacturing and in commercialization. Best examples of that are ICOTYDE or INLEXZO, which were opportunities that we identified earlier on that were very capital-sparing, if you want, right? So we continue to look into these opportunities.
And the priority there in BD is to fortify our position vis-a-vis the next decade. We can achieve double-digit growth this decade without M&A. So our goal with M&A is to fortify our position to provide you the confidence that our growth is durable into the next decade. So that's the second priority, and that's what guides our M&A approach.
And then finally, return cash to our shareholders via dividends. And that's our goal, too, to continue to deliver a strong dividend to our shareholders. And we have been, I think, decades of continuous dividend growth. We are a dividend aristocrat, and we plan to continue to give that to our shareholders.
We've done a number of transactions this year, which some of them are very, very promising. We acquired Halda Therapeutics with a new platform called RIPTAC that I would like John to talk about it. We acquired Firefly Bio, which an antibody degrader conjugate, which is a platform that we think has a lot of legs. And we also did a deal with Sail in nonintegrated in vivo CAR-T, which is a platform that we think that could have a lot of expansion into autoimmune diseases. But I will let John talk about these new ideas that we have in our pipeline.
Yes. The -- maybe starting with the RIPTAC. So these are oral drugs that -- they stimulate what's called induced proximity where you bring 2 proteins together, where one face of the molecule binds a target of interest. And then in this configuration, the other binds to an essential protein that the cell must have to survive. And the compound then sequesters that protein in this complex. And as a result of it, the cell perishes because it doesn't have access.
So the first iteration of this is a molecule targeting the androgen receptor in prostate cancer. Prostate cancers have very high levels of androgen receptors. So with these compounds, you're able to sequester, to scarp up this essential protein, and it happens to be an epigenetic protein called BRD4. And as a result of it, the cell dies.
And what we've seen in the early going is that the molecules are extremely active and selective at killing prostate cancer cells regardless of what their genomic profile is, if they have [ TP3 ] mutations, RB mutations, even mutations in the androgen receptor, it doesn't matter. And with this efficacy, including visceral lesions, which are sometimes hard to treat in prostate cancer, very well tolerated. So extremely well tolerated. So that's moving into Phase III. We think it could be a real practice-changing new mechanism for prostate cancer.
Early in clinical development, we have the same thing with the estrogen receptor, trying to do the same thing for breast cancer. And then behind that, a pipeline of 14 more projects at various stages of lead optimization. We're starting in oncology, we hope to tackle a number of ways of a new approach to how you can selectively kill cancer cells. But then moving from there into certain immunological applications, too, where that might make sense. So that's a great new platform, both a product and a platform for us.
With the Firefly acquisition, that's a new concept, degrader-antibody conjugates. So you've all heard of ADCs where you put a chemotherapy drug conjugated onto an antibody. In this case, it's a targeted therapy that is brought into the cancer cells by the antibody-sparing normal cells.
And our lead program there is a pan-KRAS degrader. Everyone's been hearing a lot about KRAS these days. That's the most common genetic mutation in all of human cancers are KRAS mutations that activate that oncogenic driver. So with the small molecule delivered through the antibody selectively in the cancer cells, we hope we'll get a much better therapeutic index. So that's the first iterations, but there are lots of other things we can do with that platform down the road.
And is that in the clinic already?
That one is not in the clinic yet. That one is preclinical, should be in the clinic early next year. And then another preclinical one was as we're getting into in vivo CAR-T, we were interested in both viral and nonviral approaches.
So we have a collaboration with Kelonia in viral lentivirus, but then since then have created our own lentivirus platform, kind of leveraging our know-how from the CARVYKTI days where we make the lentivirus for CARVYKTI. And in that case, we're infecting the cells ex vivo in the factory. But now we've engineered that so we can infect them in vivo and have selective infection of T cells. So that will be in the clinic early next year. And then with Sail, where we have an option -- we have a collaboration with an option to buy at a prenegotiated rate, that's an mRNA platform using an engineered lipid nanoparticle that only enters into T cells. And that will be in the clinic later this year.
Great. And just to clarify, the in vivo, that was the Kelonia approach you were talking about?
Yes. Well, that and Sail, they're both -- there are different ways to do it, one viral, one nonviral. And we're biasing viral towards oncology and nonviral towards immunology. But we have to generate clinical data, and then we'll end up seeing whether both of those platforms work or do we end up pivoting and using one of the platforms for both applications, to be determined.
Great. I want to focus on your myeloma franchise. I feel like every year I host you, Joaquin and you guys have some new data that's very exciting to talk about. And I know you guys have been focused on kind of the functional cure for some time now in myeloma, and congratulations on all the progress here.
Before we talk about some of the newer targets, maybe just one question I had is just on DARZALEX FASPRO. I know you guys have had a lot of success with that launch and converting people over to the new subcutaneous formulation. How should we think about the shape of that business when you have IV biosimilars coming in? Because that's a question we get from investors sometimes. And then we'll talk about some of the newer drugs that you're bringing to market too.
Absolutely. So I mean, DARZALEX is now standard of care and a backbone in first-line therapy. And it's the #1 drug use in any clinical trial, you always have DARZALEX as the backbone. So we continue to see DARZALEX as a backbone of multiple myeloma. And as John will explain later, I'm sure it's been also combined with our bispecifics and multispecifics in order to remain a backbone of therapy. The results with DARZALEX are spectacular. I mean, when you look at progression-free survival in treatment in transplant-eligible patients, it's17 years. So it's a fantastic medicine.
90% of the patients today are already in DARZALEX FASPRO. And it's simple because you go from hours of infusion to minutes. You have less infusion-related reactions. Less time, it's much easier for the patient and ultimately save resources of the healthcare system because you don't have to go there and spend 6 hours in the hospital, right? So we anticipate that by the time the IV biosimilars will come, close to 100% of the patients would be already in DARZALEX FASPRO. So we don't see that as a real challenge. It's very difficult to tell a patient who are going from a subcu to a 6-hour infusion. So I think that, that's going to be something that would be clearly not an issue for us down the road.
As far as our multiple myeloma franchise and the different combinations and permutations that we are going, our goal now is to be able to bring our advanced therapies earlier on. And perhaps the area which is more important for us today that is already coming into fruition is second line. About half of the patients in multiple myeloma are in second line. And we are bringing our multi-specifics and cell therapy, CARVYKTI, into second line. We have great data in second line, both with CARVYKTI and the bispecifics, and that's the strategy that we have today.
We are not going to stop there, and we plan to bring advanced therapies to first line, but we already have approval to go into second line with both therapies. So John can talk about the data we have generated and how impressive that data is. And we are close to be able to achieve in multiple myeloma, what you would call a functional cure.
Yes. So the recent data in second line were -- first of all, about when patients begin to progress from the first-line regimen, about 70% have either -- in the current market have either not had dara, or they've had it, but they're still sensitive to it. So in that population, we showed in our MajesTEC-3 study that if you have dara plus TEC -- TECVAYLI, that's our BCMA, first-in-class BCMA bispecific -- that compared to standard of care, which was often dara plus other things, that we had unprecedented efficacy, progression-free survival. Hazard ratio, I think, was 0.11. So it's like a 90% reduction in progression.
And so impressive were the data that when we published our abstract for the ASH meeting, the FDA called us and said, can we please give you a national priority review voucher so we can get this new regimen to American patients as fast as possible? And from submission to approval was 56 days. So the FDA did a great job with that.
Now for the patient, the roughly 30% that are truly dara refractory, we showed in our MajesTEC-6 study that if you have TECVAYLI combined with TALVEY, that's our other first-in-class T cell engager, that one targeting GPRC5D, a target that was discovered in our own labs. That, again, led to hazard ratios like 0.1 in this second-line setting, showing that we have incredible solutions there for patients.
Now thinking ahead to frontline, where we're going there is with our trispecific, ramantamig, so that has got the features of TEC and TAL in one molecule, both BCMA and GPRC5D, plus a third arm that binds the T cell, the CD3 to get the T cell to attack. And what we've seen in the early going there in newly diagnosed patients, if you combine ramantamig, our trispecific, with dara, 100% MRD negativity, so minimal residual disease negativity. And MRD is even recognized by the FDA as a valid surrogate myeloma because it correlates so well with progression-free survival and overall survival.
So we feel that, that's where the front line will go. It will be ramantamig plus dara. And expect that with that -- and that's a steroid-free regimen, 2 drugs that you're going to get very high levels of progression-free survival that will last for 5 years plus, probably. And then if the patient does relapse at that point, this is where then we have a CAR-T solution for them. And we've got in hand, CARVYKTI, obviously. But down the road, probably if things go well, some in vivo CAR-T solutions as well.
So I mean, even today, physicians have the option in second line to go an interval-free treatment like CARVYKTI with exceptional data in second line or going into one of our bispecifics, TECVAYLI or TALVEY, with great data so -- in order to have an off-the-shelf option. So I think that's great for the patients, and it's great for doctors that have this optionality today.
Yes. And CARVYKTI is the only CAR-T that has overall survival data. So really strong data, showing about half the patients many years out, alive, well. No further treatment, right? So one and done. So some patients opt for that, right? So they're, okay, I can be several years on therapies or I can do a one and done, and it's been very effective.
So -- and now we are trying to bring CARVYKTI into the front line, too, in replacing bone marrow transplant. So those data will start to flow next year, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that -- or maybe the year after, my colleagues are guiding me. But that's after patients that have had the traditional induction and maintenance, and then rather than going on to an autologous stem cell transplant, seeing if CARVYKTI could be the solution for them.
Just one question on the positioning. So you mentioned TECVAYLI and TALVEY moving into second line, but it sounds like the plan is the trispecific is going to kind of leapfrog those and go to first line. What's the reason for that? Does that have to do with the ability to kind of dose TECVAYLI and TALVEY where there's CRS, and this trispecific has a cleaner safety profile? Does it make it easier and more amenable to first line?
Yes. It turns out that trispecific is better tolerated. We didn't necessarily expect this, but the observation has been that the side effects associated with those 2 targets are actually reduced. And we think it may be because you're just getting maybe a different biodistribution where because the trispecific has 2 binders that latch very tightly on to the myeloma cell, you're maybe getting less distribution to other types of cells. But that's been the observation. It's got the efficacy of as if you combine TEC and TAL, but with a better tolerability profile and the convenience that it's in a single molecule. So, yes.
And when will we see the next update for the trispecifics, just remind us, please?
In late line, we're doing a head-to-head against our own TECVAYLI. And I think we're still a couple of years off of those data.
Okay. Great. One more just before we go to immunology is just on the -- you mentioned CARVYKTI, and this is an ex vivo approach. There are some in vivo approaches. So how do you think about the competitive dynamics? Is this years in the future, but of an in vivo CAR-T in that space versus...
Yes. Well, that's why we've also been investing and participating in that space. To be determined, how well it works, right? There's some tantalizing data from a couple of companies. But handfuls of patients and the durability, to be determined.
We know the ex vivo approach can be highly successful, and we've seen that -- we've demonstrated that with CARVYKTI. But we're going to try with in vivo, and we'll see how it goes. And as I said, we've established in-house, a lentivirus platform so we can do that approach. And then through the recent deal and the option to acquire Sail, we'll have an mRNA platform.
And we think both of these are probably going to require some trial and error. And there will be a journey to optimize, and they're both -- all these platforms are very quintessential examples of the process is the product. So the manufacturing piece of this will be critical to success. Not just the design, but then the actual manufacturing, and that's a journey in and of itself. But we're going to be playing in that space, too, and seeing where it leads.
Okay. Great. Maybe just pivoting over to immunology. Obviously, another long, rich history at the company here. I mean, going back to REMICADE and again, now STELARA, TREMFYA, ICOTYDE. So maybe just in the interest of time, we'll focus on ICOTYDE here in terms of the launch.
So Joaquin, maybe just frame for us kind of how -- your view of how the launch is going and how to think about the forward opportunity here in psoriasis? And then also, would just be curious kind of the IBD opportunity, how you guys are thinking about that? Because that's probably the next wave of growth for that asset potentially.
Thank you. So with TREMFYA, 74% growth in the second quarter, leading shares in initiation in IBD, both in ulcerative colitis and in Crohn's disease versus the other IL-23. So ICOTYDE, the launch is doing really well. The latest numbers are about 17,000 patients treated and about 7,000 writers. 60% of the patients were systemic-naive, so that's where the majority of patients are coming. And the prescriber base is varied. We have dermatologists, obviously, but also APPs and primary care physicians showing that this is a medicine that is perceived having a great safety profile, easy to use.
Importantly, we have now full commercial coverage in the U.S. So you should expect our sales to continue to improve as we go through the next quarters as the coverage materialize into paid product. Before the end of the year, we'll show some data on psoriatic arthritis that could be the basis for a filing. So we should expect having data in psoriatic arthritis and a filing that would have an impact into 2027. And our studies in IBD, both in ulcerative colitis and in Crohn's disease, are progressing well. We are in Phase III. And John can tell you that they are recruiting at a good pace, right?
Yes. And we noticed this with all the studies, psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis as well now, IBD, that the recruitment rates exceeded our expectations. And while some of that, we'd like to think is because we're good at clinical operations, more likely is the patients really are hungry for an oral option. And so we've had no trouble getting -- with the psoriasis studies, the studies recruited at about 1/3 the pace that it normally takes us to do those studies. So an indication that there's demand out there.
And we anticipate that in IBD, which is the largest indication, as you know, the entrance of an effective oral medicine will also expand the market as it is doing in psoriasis.
Yes. Okay. Great. And anything -- any early comments on like persistence adherence that you can say on ICOTYDE yet, or still too early?
It's too early. We don't hear anything. One way or another, everything seems to be going in the right direction.
Okay. The other thing on immunology -- and again, you guys have been a leader here -- is combination approaches. So that's something the company has worked on a long time. And I know you had the DUET data recently.
But maybe just stepping back more broadly, like how are you thinking about other novel combinations? Because I think that's a question we get a lot from investors is there seems like there's more and more targets out there that are available now. So what's the comment, the latest on the combination strategy?
So I would tell you that the market for combinations, which is the refractory patients, which is very common in IBD, is one of the most attractive markets today because there's a real patient need there. And we have the one and only combination, which is our co-antibody therapeutic that combines TNF and IL-23 with an unprecedented efficacy there. And we continue to progress there in Phase III, both in ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease and also in psoriatic arthritis that we plan to develop. But there's other combinations that we can think about.
Yes. I think this is becoming -- frankly, I think thanks to the trailblazing work that our colleagues at J&J did, where we were the first to demonstrate that bringing 2 biologics together could break through the efficacy ceilings. And just to remind people, in inflammatory bowel disease, even with the best therapies, often, only about 1/3 of patients really get a sustained complete remission. So there was room for improvement.
And what we saw with bringing golimumab and guselkumab, TNF and IL-23 together was we were able to break through that efficacy ceiling in the Phase II studies. And then the Phase II studies also show this, that really, the sweet spot for this is patients that are in that refractory bucket who failed 2 or more prior lines. So that's where we're really targeting it. Those are the patients for whom monotherapy is just not getting the job done.
And so we're marching on with that. But down the road, we see opportunities for other combo partners. Starting with the biologics, but then now that we have ICOTYDE as another anchor, we're working on orals that could complement that. And you'll start to see coming in our pipeline, examples of that where we're starting to crack some of the well-known targets that had previously been the domain of biologics now with orals. So we see the opportunity down the road for those refractory patients to have oral-oral combinations. And so we're very much in the thick of that as we speak.
Great. Maybe just one minute on MedTech and how to think about the outlook for back half of the year?
Yes. So back half of the year, we continue to see our MedTech growing at a similar clip than in the first half. We are very focused now in two areas. One is the launch of our OTTAVA surgical soft tissue robotic system. We are going to start with a limited market release. Investors shouldn't be focused initially on placements, but more on how the system is working, how the customer experience is, how we continue to develop evidence and expand the number of indications. But this is going to be a major growth driver for Johnson & Johnson, and we are fully committed to compete and to lead in surgical robotics.
The other area of focus for us there is electrophysiology. We have the best ecosystem in electrophysiology with our mapping system, our clinical support specialists. And we plan to continue to launch new therapeutic catheters with a good pace. We just had the approval of -- in the U.S. of a dual energy catheter. And we plan to have the approval of VARIPULSE Pro, which is the short sequence therapeutic catheter PFA, by the end of the year here in the U.S. And we have a number of catheters in our pipeline that we plan to launch in the coming years. So that's in our cardiovascular space.
And then on vision, we continue to gain market share in contact lenses and also in intraocular lenses with the launch of our premium intraocular lenses here in the U.S. with POC. So we see a good outlook for our MedTech business, not only for the end of the year, but also to be a double-digit grower by the end of the decade when our soft tissue robotical surgical system sales start to kick in and create a significant contribution to our revenue in MedTech.
Great. Well, thank you so much, gentlemen. Really appreciate the time.
Thanks, Terry.
Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — Morgan Stanley 24th Annual Global Healthcare Conference
JNJ präsentierte Pipeline-fortschritte, neue Plattformen und Portfolio‑Fokus; klarer Wachstumsnarrativ bis 2030, Details für Dezember angekündigt.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Fokus: Johnson & Johnson positioniert sich als fokussierter Gesundheitskonzern mit drei Schwergewichten in Innovative Medicine (Onkologie, Immunologie, Neurowissenschaften) und drei in MedTech (Vision, Chirurgie, Kardiovaskulär).
- Wachstum: Management betont Beginn eines mehrjährigen Wachstumszyklus, Sicht auf doppeltstellige Umsatzsteigerung bis Ende des Jahrzehnts; 2026‑Guidance bereits angehoben.
🚀 Strategische Highlights
- Pipeline‑Priorität: 12 Moleküle haben Proof‑of‑Concept erreicht und laufen in Phase III; parallel intensive Arbeit an frühen Programmen zur Absicherung langfristiger Durabilität.
- Neue Plattformen: RIPTAC (induzierte Nähe als oraler Ansatz) und degrader‑Antikörper‑Konjugate versprechen neuartige, selektive Krebstherapien; in vivo CAR‑T (viral und nicht‑viral) wird parallel verfolgt.
- Capital Allocation: Priorität 1 = Launch‑Finanzierung; 2 = Pipeline‑Finanzierung und selektive, frühphasige M&A; 3 = Dividendenkontinuität (AAA‑Rating als Basis).
🆕 Neue Informationen
- Akquisitionen: Halda (RIPTAC), Firefly (degrader‑ADC) und Deal mit Sail (in vivo mRNA CAR‑T) bringen neue Plattformen in die Pipeline.
- Produktlaunches: ICOTYDE (oraler IL‑23‑Inhibitor) hat ~17.000 Behandelte, volle US‑Erstattungsdeckung; Daten zu psoriatischer Arthritis vor Jahresende geplant.
- MedTech: Limitierter Markteintritt für OTTAVA (weiches Gewebe‑Roboticsystem) gestartet; Elektrophysiologie‑Kathetersequenz weiter ausgebaut.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Pipeline‑Risiken: Wie robust sind Translationaldaten für RIPTAC und degrader‑ADC? Management betont starke frühe Aktivität und Verträglichkeit, klinische Daten stehen an.
- Myelom‑Position: Positionierung von CAR‑T (CARVYKTI) vs. bispezifischen/trispezifischen Kandidaten: Strategie ist, bispezifische/ trispezifische Optionen in Zweit‑ bzw. Erstlinie zu bringen; Tribliefereinfachung und bessere Tox‑Profile als Vorteil.
- M&A‑Fokus: Präferenz für frühphasige, skalierbare Assets; M&A soll Wachstum verstärken, ist aber nicht notwendig für die Erreichung des aktuellen Wachstumsplans.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Implikation: J&J liefert kein einzelnes bahnbrechendes Update, aber ein klares, kohärentes Narrativ: fokussiertes Portfolio, mehrere neue Plattformen in der Aktie‑treibenden Pipeline und substanzielle MedTech‑Initiativen. Für Aktionäre bedeutet das moderate bis hohe organische Wachstumsoptionen kombiniert mit gezieltem, risikoangepasstem Kapital‑Einsatz.
Johnson & Johnson — Wells Fargo 21st Annual Healthcare Conference
1. Question Answer
Okay. I think it's still morning. Welcome back, and good morning. I'm Larry Biegelsen, the MedTech analyst at Wells Fargo. It's my pleasure to host the next fireside chat with the management team from Johnson & Johnson.
With us, we have Tim Schmid, Executive Vice President and Worldwide Chairman, MedTech. It's, as I said, fireside chat. Tim, thanks for being here again.
My pleasure, Larry, and thank you for the opportunity to represent J&J.
So let's start with a couple of big-picture questions. At your last Investor Day, I think it was December 2023, you had a goal to grow at the high end of MedTech, which you pegged at 5% to 7%. How has the market performed relative to your expectations? And how are you doing?
Sure, Larry. And firstly, thank you again for the opportunity. We're proud of the progress we've made. And just to remind everyone, in December of 2023, we forecasted that our markets would grow at roughly 5% to 7% on an operational basis over the entire period of 2022 to 2027, not within quarters or individual years. And when we actually now track our progress from 2022 to the midpoint of 2026, we are confident that we're delivering at that high end of the 5% to 7% range.
I think more importantly, beyond the results, it's the progress we've made against our business and the confidence we have in building a stronger and more durable MedTech for Johnson & Johnson. And what gives us confidence is a couple of moves. Number one, our shift into higher-growth markets, which we've talked a lot about, especially in CV, but also doubling down on truly differentiated innovation in the 3 areas that we've prioritized in CV, in Surgery and in Vision.
Number two, we've made a significant change in our operating model. We have roughly 75,000 people across MedTech. We used to operate as a highly centralized organization, which does bring some benefits, economies of scale. One of the downsides is speed of execution and you lose some of the specialization that we believe is just so important to MedTech. And so we have actually shifted our operating model in MedTech to move towards a business unit structure, which creates greater specialization, much faster decision-making closer to customers and it makes accountability clear, and we're already seeing the benefits of that.
And then finally, it is the continued shift in our portfolio, not only to add assets, specifically in areas like cardiovascular, but also to make some difficult but really necessary decisions to shift our portfolio and make sure that we're focused on the areas where we can make the biggest difference for patients and for investors. And so you'll know that we announced the separation of Orthopaedics last year, which we believe will set that business up for better success. But also, most importantly, allows us to focus in Johnson & Johnson, our capital and our resources on the 3 areas that I mentioned earlier, which we believe will offer the greatest return.
Now when we look at projections over that period of time, you're always going to see some form of headwinds. It could be procedure related, it could be competitive, it could be VBP, use an example today. But long-term durability of performance, we believe, trumps everything, and we're very confident that we're building and have built a MedTech business that is more durable in terms of long-term growth.
That's helpful. So you're approaching your next Investor Day in December. I'd love to get a sneak preview. How -- any changes to how you're thinking about the next 5 years for the MedTech market and Johnson & Johnson?
Yes, Larry, we're excited. December 8 of this year will be our next Investor Day, and I don't want to steal too much thunder. But what you are going to hear is an increasing conviction in the role that MedTech will play in Johnson & Johnson's growth profile going forward. We're going to spend some time talking about the underlying health of the businesses in which we operate. Certainly, there are increasingly aging populations, a greater demand for health care, increasing access to health care.
And what we find so exciting is with some of the new technologies that we're bringing to market, it's making procedures and treatment options less invasive, more personalized and more connected, which allows us to touch more patients than we have in the past. And so the underlying fundamentals of MedTech are solid. And then it's the big moves that we've made, specifically to build out a strong position within Cardiovascular. Cardiovascular today is the largest and fastest-growing market within MedTech. Five years ago, of the 4 businesses we operate today in MedTech, it was our smallest. By the first quarter of next year, it will be our largest and fastest-growing business. And that's come with the acquisitions of Abiomed and Shockwave and of course, the increasingly exciting aspects around the EP market.
The second one is really about our decision to separate Ortho, which really changes the makeup of our business. Immediately, we're going to get a bump in top line growth as well as margin expansion on the back of that move. But once again, it also focuses us on those areas where we can make the biggest impact. And so if I was to give you, maybe characterize what you can hear, what you're going to hear, is certainly that move into higher-growth markets, doubling down on truly differentiated innovation, and we'll bring that to life for you, especially as we think about OTTAVA, which we believe will be a material contributor to our performance through the back half of the decade. And we remain very, very confident in the future.
Good to hear. So let's bring it closer to near term, 2026. Excluding the extra week, I think you expect MedTech for Johnson & Johnson in the second half to grow faster than the first half. The comps are a little bit tougher in the second half of the year. So what's giving you the confidence? And what are the drivers?
Yes, Larry, it's a great question. And just to acknowledge, yes, you're absolutely right. The comps were a little easier in the first half of the year, and they will get tougher to lap as we look to the third and fourth quarter. As we've thought about the back half of this year, what we've really taken into consideration and thinking about our models are procedure -- underlying procedural performance, competitive dynamics and then, of course, larger macroeconomic and geopolitical considerations.
In all transparency, as we look at our business today, we are seeing lingering challenges around competitive intensity. And you will note that the larger sort of geopolitical environment is more uncertain. Certainly, we're seeing the impact of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, which is one that is truly hard to predict. That said, and that's just for MedTech. When I look at Johnson & Johnson's performance overall, inclusive of MedTech and our Innovative Medicine business, I can confidently share today that we remain very confident that we will deliver against the advanced guidance that we provided in July, which, as you know, we took up our forecast.
And I think it really talks to the strength and breadth of our portfolio across Innovative Medicine and MedTech that we can do exactly that. And so let me reiterate that point again. We are very confident for Johnson & Johnson that we will deliver against the advanced commitments we highlighted in the second quarter earnings, and I'll double down even further. You've heard our CEO and our CFO talk about '27 being stronger than '26. We're confident that '27 will be a stronger year for Johnson & Johnson than '26.
That's helpful. So a couple of follow-ups. But I think we probably have a lot of people on the line and a lot of people in this room who want to hear your view just on the procedure environment. You said on the Q2 call that it was stable, but you're watching the impact of the ACA subsidies expiring. Anything new you can share with regard to procedure volumes?
Sure, Larry. And obviously, this is the topic of the month right now, and we certainly were following the commentary of many of our competitors on this stage yesterday. Right now, I'm not able to share anything new and different from what I shared at our last earnings call. We still see robustness in our markets when we look at the totality of the businesses that we operate in. Underlying unmet needs remain. Health care systems are well positioned to address the disease burden.
And then specific to Johnson & Johnson, as I compare ourselves against some of our competitors, we offer treatments in areas that are not always elective. In fact, our Surgery business and our Cardiovascular business is less exposed to the elective nature of some other parts of our portfolio and our competitors. And so once again, we feel that we operate in robust markets and have no evidence to suggest any slowdown.
I think the concern is probably more around Orthopaedics. Obviously, you still have a large Orthopaedics business. Does your commentary on this stable procedure environment apply to Orthopaedics as well?
Thank you for the follow-up. And I had a conversation with our Head of Orthopaedics as recently as yesterday. And once again, even there, while we know other competitors have signaled -- in fact, we've had a bit of a yin and yang, some have signaled, some have remained consistent. We do not have any evidence to suggest a slowdown in that business. And as you've seen, we've actually seen an improvement in our performance even since we announced the divestiture of that business, which I think really is a testament to the leadership and the team that we have in place.
So just a couple of follow-ups on your earlier comments on the lingering competitive intensity and the geopolitical headwinds that you mentioned. The geopolitical headwinds are primarily Middle East. Is that what you're talking about? And what kind of exposure do you have?
I'm not going to provide guidance on specifics there, but we do have a fairly sizable business in that part of the world, which has periodically been impacted over the last couple of months. It's just hard to predict, Larry, to what extent that is going to continue. And it's not just the impact of the war on the provision of health care, but also the investment in health care as investment in that part of the world goes to defense and other areas, it's likely to cause pressures in that part of the world over the -- at least the foreseeable future. So that's the specific example I was citing and mentioning earlier.
And the lingering competitive intensity, I guess, A, which areas? Is it EP? Is it Vision?
It is EP. No surprise to you.
Okay. And I just want to clarify that the lingering competitive intensity, what you're trying to communicate today is it's lingering longer than you might have expected. Is that...
Correct.
Okay. Just to be clear. Okay. Fair enough. So maybe just turning back to EP. How are you thinking about what's the outlook for your EP business and the market? I mean, Biosense Webster, it's like the crown jewel of the Johnson & Johnson MedTech franchise, but you've been growing under market. So what's the plan to turn that around?
Yes. And Larry, I think I can bring a little more context to my earlier comment on competitive intensity. When we look at our EP business, rest assured that we are not going away. We are absolutely committed to remaining relevant and to continuing to lead in this particular area. And it is very personal. We built the electrophysiology market with Biosense Webster and still believe that we have a strong right to win.
Where we are seeing competitive intensity a little broader than we initially expected, Larry, is actually outside of the U.S. And it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that outside of the U.S., the shift from RF to PFA hasn't been as rapid as the U.S., especially in markets like Asia Pacific. And so we are seeing some headwinds there. And that is exacerbated by the fact that you have competition from multinationals as well as local competitors, especially in a market like China. We do also expect that VBP, so volume-based procurement, which is really a cost containment effort within China, is going to come to the EP space. And while we cannot predict the exact timing, we expect that, that will hit that market at some point later on this year and bleed into 2027.
And so those are some of the headwinds. I mean, the reasons to believe are profound. And number one, they really start with our belief in our portfolio. And that starts with the importance of CARTO and mapping. We have an established position with CARTO, with CARTO units established in 6,300 cath labs across the world manned by highly trained mappers, and we are the only company that brings a fully integrated offering of mapping, navigation and ablation catheters. That is actually what has kept us in the room, even though we've had some other gaps in the portfolio. That's number one.
Number two, VARIPULSE. VARIPULSE continues to go from strength to strength. We've done more than 100,000 cases. We've just launched VARIPULSE Pro, which is an easier-to-use and faster catheter in Europe, and that's driving significant growth, and we are expecting approval and launch of VARIPULSE Pro in the U.S. later on this year. We're not then stopping there. We're building out a full portfolio of PFA catheters, moving from VARIPULSE Pro to a large-tip focal catheter called OMNYPULSE and then followed by ISOPULSE, which is a single-shot catheter. And our commitment is that you will see one meaningful catheter addition to our portfolio every year for the next 3 to 5 years.
Thirdly, I would mention the importance of evidence. And this really matters in all spaces, but especially in the cardiovascular space, given the nature of the patients that we're serving. We have growing evidence in that VARIPULSE is one of the best-performing catheters and one of the safest on the market. In fact, we shared real-world evidence at the KC Heart Rhythm Society (sic) [ KC Heart Rhythm Symposium ], which is one of the biggest regional societies in the space. And we were able to demonstrate a 60% less likelihood of an adverse cardiac event with the use of VARIPULSE versus FARAWAVE, which further reinforces the fact that we've got a product that is safe and performs well. And so for those reasons alone, Larry, we are absolutely committed to the space. We believe that we will remain relevant and that we will maintain our overarching long-term leadership position over time.
That's helpful. On OMNYPULSE, any update on when we could see approval in Europe and the United States?
So thank you for the question, Larry. The -- obviously, that's the next big addition to our catheter portfolio, which is a large tip focal catheter. We have communicated that we've completed the clinical study. We haven't provided guidance yet on regulatory filings. And so I wouldn't want to pontificate too much on timings at this point in time. We will provide that in due course.
When you say completed the pivotal trial, that Europe and U.S.?
We have -- I will double check that, I believe...
Europe, I think. But that's okay. We can follow up.
We can follow up.
And I guess one more question on the PFA catheter portfolio. You mentioned ISOPULSE, that's the single shot. Are you satisfied with your internal PFA catheter program? There are a lot of public and private companies developing PFA technology. Do you feel like you could augment the PFA catheter portfolio?
Larry, if I'm perfectly honest with you, I think that's one of the key learnings for us in this entire experience. We perhaps were maybe a little too internally focused with the proliferation of PFA. What I can tell you is that we are absolutely agnostic to where innovation comes from. And this is where I think the strength of the balance sheet of J&J really puts us in a good position. We will clearly invest in the internal programs that I mentioned, but we will also be very aggressive when we think it's appropriate to look at some of those next-generation PFA technologies that you and I know are out there and certainly going to play an impact or play a big role in the future.
Okay. That's helpful. Just switching gears, Abiomed slowed in the second quarter. I think you attributed that to a clinical trial called BCIS3.
We call it BCIS.
BCIS. Okay. That was in the first quarter. I think that was American College of Cardiology, if I'm not mistaken. And -- but you expect that business to improve. So my question is, what are you doing to turn that business around?
Yes, it's a really good question. And Larry, firstly, we believe strongly in the future of heart recovery and hemodynamic support as a major opportunity for patients who, in many cases, don't have any options. And we believe it's going to be a significant growth driver for J&J MedTech and Johnson & Johnson. As you mentioned, a study came out a study out of the U.S. -- sorry, out of the U.K., and it resulted in a number of significant conversations within the interventional community about appropriate patient selection, especially as it relates to complex or high-risk patients.
And without a doubt, it has had an impact on some of the treatment choices that our customers, both here in the U.S. but also internationally have had relative to that patient pool. Now we believe strongly that hemodynamic support is an absolutely critical option for those high-risk complex patients. And what we're doing about it is, number one, we are looking at the totality of evidence, not just the BCIS3 trial, but the totality of evidence available across the world focused on that patient pool. We're also investing more than any other company in additional data, and I'm sure we'll talk in a second about PROTECT IV, which is a specific study focused on this particular pool of patients. We're focusing also a lot on educating people around appropriate patient selection, which we think is at the heart of one of the challenges with that study.
And we're also doubling down on education to ensure that our physicians are best positioned to make the appropriate treatment options. And we're already starting to see some green shoots. And what I would say, Larry, is that this should not be a major surprise. There's a reason why we are the only company in the heart recovery space with Impella today. It's because it's hard. And it's also because it is an increasingly -- it's a growing area of science and medicine. And we've seen this in the past. As evidence continues to grow, we've seen this in the past, and we have no doubt that we will demonstrate the benefits of these technologies, specifically to those high-risk complex patients.
PROTECT IV, a big study, important study. You talked about it on the Q2 call, I think, coming out in 2027. Maybe just at a high level, what are the differences between -- it is a similar population, high-risk PCI. But what are the differences in the studies that could lead to a more favorable outcome in PROTECT IV?
Yes, Larry, I think there's a couple of things. And the first thing I would reiterate is the importance of not drawing a straight line between the BCIS3 study and PROTECT IV. There are some significant differences that need to be understood. Now we don't want to take away from the learnings from BCIS. But when we look at PROTECT IV, to your point, yes, it is focused on a similar cohort of patients. But BCIS3 was a 300-patient study. PROTECT IV will be just over 1,250. So 4x the sample size, which we think is a more highly powered trial, which should deliver better outcomes given the nature of how it's powered.
The other consideration is really around patient selection. And in the -- with the investigators we've spoken to, we believe that there's a different interpretation of patient selection as it relates to the full cohort of complex high-risk PCI patients in PROTECT IV relative to BCIS. And the final one is really around best practices. We've learned, especially in high-usage markets like the U.S., that best practice really matters. And what I mean by that is around pre-call planning, the appropriate time for how much you keep the device in, et cetera, et cetera. And so we have embedded those best practices into our PROTECT IV study and can confidently say that they were not considered in the BCIS study, which we think calls out some of the variability we experienced there.
And so we're working hard within the community. We once again remain very committed to this business. We've seen these ups and downs before and believe that Impella is an absolutely critical offering for these patients and will continue to be a strong driver of growth for J&J and J&J MedTech.
That's helpful. Let's switch gears, Tim. Anyone who knows you knows you're excited about OTTAVA. So I guess my question is, what's been the early feedback? I know you were at Society of Robotic Surgery. What's the early feedback? And when can this start to be a growth accelerator for J&J's surgical business?
Larry, I am super excited about OTTAVA. I spent more than 33 years at Johnson & Johnson, a lot of that time within our Surgery business. And I do think that we are on the precipice of an absolute breakthrough. And you mentioned that we received FDA approval while we were at the SRS conference. And for those of you who don't know, SRS is the largest gathering of roboticists and physicians focused on surgical robotics. And it was a particularly proud moment for us to show our confidence and the confidence with the FDA with the approval at that event.
I think the feedback, firstly, has been resoundingly positive. There is no doubt that it is time for competition, and there's a recognition that we have something that is truly differentiated from the other competitors who have entered this market. I'd say the 2 insights that are resonating the most, specifically with surgeons who, by the way, many of those surgeons at SRS participated in helping us design and bring OTTAVA to market. The piece that they're really hitching on to is the benefits of our differentiation, which are the unique architecture, the fact that it drives automation from day 1, the advanced instruments as well as the digital infrastructure, what it really calls upon and does is create a more seamless workflow.
Collaboration within the operating room is absolutely critical. It isn't just about the surgeon. It's about the anesthetist. It's about the nursing staff. And those benefits of OTTAVA really allow for a more collaborative workflow in the operating room, both in terms of during clinical practice as well as shift over between procedures. And so that is really resonating workflow with physicians. With the health system community who, as I mentioned earlier, cannot wait for the entrance of a new competitor and are especially excited about it being J&J, given that we have presence in almost every single operating room around the world, given our global leadership in both open and laparoscopic procedures.
And with that community, what's really resonating is the architecture. And why it's important for a hospital system is that because OTTAVA is a different format and considerably smaller than the incumbent system, it can be placed naturally in any operating room today and doesn't require an entirely new investment in capital to fit out an operating room with the size to accommodate the incumbents' robot. And so that is really, really resonating. And so we look forward to providing more feedback in short order. Right now, our focus is on a careful selection of our pilot launch sites, making sure that they have a positive experience. And what you can expect to see is a constant drumbeat of increased indications, new products as we continue to scale that portfolio.
I know your next question at some point is going to be, well, when exactly will we see that material impact? We will share more details about that at the EBR on the 8th of December, but we remain very confident that OTTAVA will be a significant growth contributor to Surgery. In fact, our Surgery business is the largest today. It is the most profitable. And we believe with the investments in OTTAVA and our fleet of surgical robots, which is inclusive of MONARCH, which will be the first system used for -- in the urology space for the treatment of kidney stones. We believe that those innovations alone will be a significant contributor to J&J's performance, in fact, a material contributor by the end of the decade.
December 8?
December 8.
We have to wait?
You got to wait, Larry, sorry.
Okay. We'll be there. All right, Vision. Let me just ask, I'll ask about contact lenses first. Q2 was actually -- was strong, especially outside the U.S. There's been concerns that Asia Pac has been weak. Have you seen kind of a turnaround? And what's the outlook for contact lenses?
Yes, we hope so. And certainly, we've seen that continue throughout the quarter. And to build on your point, Larry, we've seen a really nice inflection within our contact lens business. We did have some supply issues a couple of years ago, which we've addressed. We're back to actually gaining share. We are by far and away the market leader with our ACUVUE premium portfolio.
To your point, outside of the U.S. and specifically, Asia Pac was a bit soft for a number of quarters, and we've seen that turn around nicely. And we expect that to continue on the back of an incredible unmet need, aging population, which is going through the roof, greater awareness of health care needs and the demand for some of the premium innovations that we have. And so our expectation is that will continue, and we're confident that our contact lens business will be a strong contributor to Vision growth for the foreseeable future.
Within Vision, the one area I was actually surprised about was the U.S. surgical business was a little soft, and I was surprised because you're launching PureSee. Feedback is good on PureSee, a new premium IOL. So how should we think about the Surgical business -- Vision, Surgical and U.S. in particular, going forward?
Yes. And Larry, just to call it as it is, that was a dark mark on our Vision, Surgery performance in the last quarter, tremendous performance outside of the U.S., but lackluster performance here in the U.S. Now we had just started the launch of PureSee. And to put this in context, this is the only FDA-approved premium IOL with extended depth of focus. And what that actually means it makes this premium IOL more applicable to more patients.
The reason why we've enjoyed such success outside of the U.S. is we've implanted that device in 0.5 million eyes over the last couple of years. We're now complementing our portfolio with Odyssey in the U.S. with PureSee, and I can confidently communicate that we are seeing a tremendous pickup. And so I look forward to providing the results of that acceleration when we come together for Q3 earnings. And I can also confidently say that the second quarter performance here in the U.S. and globally for our Surgical, Vision business will be significantly better.
Got it. That's helpful. I guess just one on Orthopaedics. How are you thinking about the pros and cons of a sale versus spin?
Yes, it's a question we get all of the time. This was a notable decision we took for J&J. It's one of the largest divestitures. Now keep in mind, divestitures are not a new sport for J&J. We believe it's a part of just strong portfolio management. In fact, prior to the decision to separate our Ortho business, we generated about $5 billion of cash over the last 7 years through moving businesses, whether it be LifeScan, Cordis more recently, our ENT business, and so on. And so we will continue to do it where it makes sense.
But to answer your question deliberately, we are not looking to optimize for structure in that decision to separate Ortho. We're optimizing for value creation. And so we are prepared to entertain a multitude of options to separate that business, which we're still considering. And in due course, we will share the chosen course of action. But once again, it is all about maximizing for value creation.
The last thing I'll say is I would not look into this as the beginning of a program of divestitures at J&J. It's a big one. It's one of the market-leading businesses in Orthopaedics. It just comes down to the fact that we believe both the DePuy Synthes, which it will be called, and J&J will perform better once we separate. It is not the beginning of a program to divest of any other significant businesses within Innovative Medicine or within MedTech.
Remind me of the time line you guys laid out for Orthopaedics, the spin?
We expect that to happen sometime in '27, most likely around the midpoint.
Okay. Of '27. So any milestones between now and then?
I suspect that we will have line of sight to the mode of separation before the end of the year, and we'll share that as soon as we have it.
Got it. So I guess you answered my next question, which was last year at this conference, I asked if we could see more divestitures and shortly thereafter, you announced the spin of Orthopaedics. How are you feeling about the portfolio today? It sounds like no more big divestitures. What about additions?
Well, we have been very deliberate. And what gives us confidence in what I shared earlier about delivering against our 2026 commitments for J&J as well as a faster '27 is we believe that by deliberately focusing on the 6 areas of focus we've chosen in our Innovative Medicine business, it is the neuroscience business, it's immunology and oncology. And in MedTech, it is CV, Cardiovascular, Surgery and Vision.
We believe that focus is really what is setting ourselves up for success. Of course, I think -- and we do not mean this arrogantly at all, but what does set us apart is the strength of our balance sheet and it allows us to be in a position to go after truly meaningful innovation that will deliver returns. We're more able to do that than many of our competitors. And so we are right now focusing on how we really build out the portfolios that we have today.
When we think about M&A, we take a very disciplined process. We look at number one, is there a scientific reason, a real unmet need that we're looking to address and a technology that truly addresses it? That's number two -- that's number one. Number two, it's strategic. Do we have a right to win? Is it adjacent to one of our businesses? Do we have established presence or scale that we can bring to bear to make that business perform better in J&J versus the outside? And then finally, no surprise to all of you, it's going to be financial. Does it meet the commitments of our P&L and our responsibility to all of you as shareholders?
And that's the philosophy we will continue to focus on, Larry. And I think Shockwave is a wonderful example of that, right? Going after a space where there's a significant unmet need for people with cardiovascular disease, IVL technology that makes it so much easier for physicians to treat and better outcomes for patients. It was very strategic because it allowed us to build our initial presence in interventional cardiology with the acquisition of Abiomed, moving deeper into coronary artery disease and peripheral artery disease with Shockwave. And of course, from a financial position, Shockwave was accretive to both our top and bottom line performance from day 1. And so it's a wonderful example and a great way of how we think about innovation.
I heard your earlier comments at the beginning of our conversation about cardiovascular devices, largest, fastest-growing. You're a leader in 3 different areas. Do you see building that portfolio out further? Because there's a lot of other areas that you could be in.
Yes. And you know them as well as we do, Larry, we'll certainly keep our eyes open. But I think what really stands out -- not I think, I know, what really stands out relative to other players in the Cardiovascular space is that we are only participating in truly high-growth areas, both in electrophysiology, heart failure and IVL with truly differentiated innovation. And so that always will be, in our view, a recipe for success. We're not looking at any of those commodity businesses. We are looking for truly differentiated innovation, which makes a big difference for patients and delivers the returns that we owe you as shareholders.
All right. That's great. So we've got about a minute left. Tim, if you want to make any closing remarks or any -- touch on any areas we didn't, please feel free.
Yes. I'll just close out with a couple of comments. Firstly, we're confident with the progress we've made. This is a time of significant transformation for Johnson & Johnson, especially on our portfolio as we shift our business into higher-growth markets like Cardiovascular, as we move out slower-growing market businesses like Orthopaedics. And so very confident in the ongoing transformation of the portfolio. And that's a good reason for why we feel so confident in what we're going to share at the EBR later in the year and what we expect to be the contribution that MedTech makes to Johnson & Johnson more broadly over the next 5 to 7 years.
We're happy with the ongoing changes in our operating model. And while I haven't talked a lot about that, that is foundational to winning in MedTech, being highly specialized, highly focused, able to move with speed and intensity with the market. And finally, we just feel really confident in the future. And I'll end with the point I made earlier. We are very confident in Johnson & Johnson's ability to deliver on our 2026 commitments and the guidance we raised in July, and we believe that '27 will be stronger than '26.
Perfect. Thanks so much for being here.
Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — Wells Fargo 21st Annual Healthcare Conference
MedTech-Chef Tim Schmid skizziert klare Fokussierung auf Cardiovascular, Surgery und Vision; OTTAVA, PFA-Erweiterung und Ortho-Spin stehen im Mittelpunkt.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
Johnson & Johnsons MedTech setzt gezielt auf höher wachsende Bereiche: Cardiovascular (CV) wird zum größten Segment, Surgery mit dem neuen Roboter OTTAVA und Vision profitieren von Produktneueinführungen. Operatives Ziel: schnelleres, spezialisiertes Geschäft durch Umstellung auf Business-Unit-Struktur.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Fokus: Konzentration auf drei Prioritäten: Cardiovascular, Surgery und Vision mit gezielter Kapitalallokation und Portfoliobereinigung (z. B. Orthopaedics-Abspaltung).
- Operating Model: Wechsel von zentraler zu Business-Unit-Struktur für schnellere Entscheidungen, höhere Spezialisierung und klarere Verantwortung.
- Innovation: OTTAVA (chirurgischer Roboter) als differenzierender Wachstumshebel; Ausbau des PFA-Portfolio (Pulsfeld-Ablation) mit VARIPULSE, OMNYPULSE und ISOPULSE; Abiomed/Impella für Herzunterstützung bleibt strategisch wichtig.
🔎 Neue Informationen
- Guidance: Keine neue Finanzprognose; Management bekräftigt das erhöhte Juli‑Guidance‑Commitment und erwartet 2027 stärker als 2026.
- Produktstatus: VARIPULSE Pro läuft in Europa, US‑Launch erwartet später im Jahr; OMNYPULSE-Pivotal abgeschlossen, regulatorische Einreichungen und Timings noch offen.
- Portfolio-Moves: Orthopaedics‑Separation geplant für Mitte 2027; Modus der Trennung (Spin vs. Verkauf) noch offen, Priorität ist Wertmaximierung.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Prozedurvolumen: Nachfrage insgesamt stabil; Management sieht derzeit keine Evidenz für breiten Rückgang, Orthopaedics werde weiterhin überwacht.
- EP & PFA: Wettbewerbsdruck in der Elektrophysiologie (EP) vor allem außerhalb der USA, langsamere Umstellung auf PFA in APAC und mögliche Auswirkungen von Volume‑Based Procurement (VBP) in China.
- Abiomed/Impella: Kurzfristige Verunsicherung durch BCIS‑Studie; PROTECT IV (größere, besser gepowerte Studie) soll Patientenselektion und Best‑Practices adressieren und die Datenlage verbessern.
⚡ Bottom Line
J&J MedTech verfolgt eine klarere, wachstumsorientierte Ausrichtung: Cardiovascular-Expansion und OTTAVA bieten mittelfristig Upside, während EP‑Wettbewerb, regionale VBP‑Risiken und Studienergebnisse (Impella/PROTECT IV) kurzfristige Unsicherheit schaffen. Die Orthopaedics‑Separation könnte ab 2027 Wachstum und Margen verbessern; Anleger sollten Produkt‑/Regulatorik‑News und PROTECT‑IV‑Daten eng verfolgen.
Johnson & Johnson — Special Call - Johnson & Johnson
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, and welcome to Johnson & Johnson's OTTAVA Investor Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference call over to Johnson & Johnson. You may begin.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us. This is Ryan Koors, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson & Johnson. Welcome to our OTTAVA investor call following the recent FDA approval.
Following prepared remarks, we will have time for open Q&A. We anticipate this webcast will last approximately 45 minutes. Please note that we will only be taking questions on OTTAVA during today's call.
Please be advised that this presentation contains forward-looking statements related to the OTTAVA Robotic Surgical System. The viewer is cautioned not to rely on these forward-looking statements, which are based on the current expectations of future events using information as of the date of this recording. They are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. The description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2025 Form 10-K, which is available at investor.jnj.com and on the SEC's website.
Today's call is intended to provide additional insights on the OTTAVA platform and the long-term opportunity we see ahead. With that, I will turn over to Rocco and Neda.
Good morning, everyone. My name is Rocco De Bernardis, and I'm the President of the OTTAVA program at Johnson & Johnson. Thank you for joining us today to talk about our most recent milestone with OTTAVA, receiving De Novo authorization in the U.S. We announced this news at the Society of Robotic Surgery Annual Meeting, and it was an incredible opportunity to celebrate with the many surgeons who have been instrumental to the OTTAVA program and who are leading experts and practitioners in robotic surgery.
OTTAVA is not simply a new system. It is something we have built with purpose, persistence and in partnership with surgeons and hospitals. With this launch, we are bringing hospitals and surgical teams a competitive system designed to adapt to their clinical approach while unlocking new potential in operating rooms starting in the U.S. and then around the world. I've been leading the OTTAVA program for nearly 5 years. And during this time, the program has truly accelerated, meeting each of its clinical and regulatory milestones to bring us to this first market approval.
Today, I will share more about what makes OTTAVA truly differentiated and why this is a purpose-built foundation to open new possibilities in surgery. Before we get into the details, I also want to introduce my colleague, Neda Cvijetic, Head of R&D for Robotics and Digital, who will provide more context today on engineering and design of OTTAVA. But first, I would like to share a short video that introduces OTTAVA.
[Presentation]
As you could see right away in the video, OTTAVA is the first of its kind in soft tissue robotics. And as Neda will explain, we engineer it that way from the ground up. Today, we will highlight a few key elements that differentiate OTTAVA. Our novel architecture, twin motion, which is a synchronized motion of the table and arms, automation from day 1, our next-generation instruments and Polyphonic, our open and secure digital ecosystem. Let's look at each one of these in detail.
First of all, our novel architecture. While you might have heard us talk about this before, I hope that today, it is clear just how different this is and how this can open capacity, workflow, collaboration and innovation for our clinical teams and hospitals. The regulatory pathway we took for OTTAVA is further evidence of the system's unique design. We could not take a 510(k) pathway because there is a predicate device like OTTAVA.
We like to say that with OTTAVA, we are breaking the mold. There are no booms and no carts. Instead, intelligent surgical arms are integrated into a standard sized operating table. Because of this, OTTAVA occupies 30% to 50% less space than leading boom and cart-mounted systems. This can fundamentally change how we -- the operating room works and allows OTTAVA to fit seamlessly into almost any operating room. This design opens possibilities like improved patient access and open flexible environment, better visibility across the room and more space for staff to move and work. This also means opening capacity for hospitals.
Let me explain what we mean by that. Today, hospitals want to build the robotics programs to meet surgeons and patient demand, offering a multi-quadrant system with demonstrated reach and access for complex procedures, but in a significant reduced footprint offers hospitals the potential to grow the capacity of their programs without updating infrastructure because there is no need for sizable dedicated operating rooms with OTTAVA.
Feedback from our clinical trials has validated why this matters. In our first clinical trials, in 5 of the 6 trial sites, OTTAVA was used in operating rooms that previously could not accommodate a robot, including a room that was only 243 square feet in size. We heard from hospital leaders, we couldn't fit another robot in that room. We heard from anesthesiologist how pleased they were with their ability to access the patient. We heard from nursing staff who commented several times when getting to the OR to set up for a case, when does the robot arrive? And we heard from surgeons that increased line of sight around the OR made communication with bedside staff easier for how the team functioned.
Now let me turn it over to Neda to tell you more about the impact of our other unique features.
Thank you, Rocco. As Rocco mentioned, I lead the R&D teams across our robotics and digital programs within our surgery business. This is a group of fantastically talented individuals across engineering disciplines, including hardware and software development, human factors and design, systems integration and deep expertise in the science and technology behind our surgical instrumentation. These teams have created OTTAVA as a completely integrated hardware and software architecture. This architecture has unlocked a lot of potential. It is a great example of how engineering and human-centered technology design can remove friction.
I'd like to say that our design quite literally means that the patient is at the center. We heard from experienced surgeons that when moving from handheld laparoscopic to robotic surgery, they have gained a lot, but also lost some things. One of the things that they had lost is the ability to move the operating table seamlessly during surgery using gravity to shift organs naturally instead of using retraction. With OTTAVA, the integrated table and arms can move together. This feature, twin motion, is the synchronized motion of the table and the arms and it's activated by the push of a button. The table and bed move together and maintain the remote center of motion fixed, which means the instruments can remain unaffected and the procedure can go on uninterrupted.
This capability is about uninterrupted workflows for clinical teams. Surgeons have told us that they have had to adapt the way they operate to a robotic system, and it should be the other way around. Twin motion means no interrupting the procedure. There is no stopping, undocking and repositioning. With OTTAVA, movement is continuous and native to the system because that's how we created it.
Next, I'd like to talk about the automation capabilities on OTTAVA. OTTAVA will deliver automation from day 1, starting with what we call automated procedure poses. With the push of a button, the system automatically deploys the arms from beneath the table into procedure position. This is possible because of our intelligent surgical arms. With OTTAVA, every joint on every arm is motorized and software controlled. Precise spatial awareness allows highly precise information about where each arm joint is in space, both relative to each other, relative to the table and relative to the patient.
Today, this engineering unlocks automation for setup and tear down, but we also know that surgeons are looking for automation to play a role in other tasks in surgery, always with surgeons and clinical staff in control. We will continue to listen to where these capabilities can provide the greatest clinical and economic value. And because of how we built the system, we believe OTTAVA is uniquely able to deliver on this future.
Thank you, Neda. I think we'll continue to see demand for these kinds of features because of the potential benefits before, during and after surgery. We believe automated procedure poses offer potential for improved workflow, benefiting clinical teams and hospitals. We hear from surgeons today that setup of robotic procedures can be cumbersome and requires movement of large equipment. Also in any OR setting, pressures on surgical staffing and scheduling mean that predictable, repeatable setup requirements can ease a real burden. This is what OTTAVA offers.
Again, because the intelligent arms are fully integrated and motorized and because we have trained the system to deploy to the optimal position, bedside staff select the pose and deploy the arms with a push of a button. And that also works in reverse, one button to stow the arms out of the way for patient prep or transfer. One of the surgeons in our clinical trial mentioned not just the potential to streamline this part of surgery for improved capacity and easier workflow, but he also said that they changed the way the team worked together.
Previously, they would send staff to set up and then he would come in a later to begin. With OTTAVA, they had this new experience of all coming together to start the procedure. Here, I also want to highlight the role that surgeon hospital feedback plays in our flywheel of innovation. During the clinical trial, our team gave feedback that it would prefer for the arms to be positioned a certain way around the table during part of the setup. We took that feedback, created the solution and now that automated pose will be available to our first commercial users to further streamline and improve the setup experience.
I would also like to share some of our early data, which reflects how OTTAVA is designed to meet the needs of surgeons and their teams. In our FORTE trial, we demonstrated that the OTTAVA system, one, met its primary safety and effectiveness points; two, achieved 100% procedural completion without conversion to a non-robotic approach across all 30 patients. And three, 5 of the 6 sites used operating rooms that previously were not robotic ORs, including rooms considered unsuitable for robotic surgery due to space constraints. And a survey of early experience conducted among surgeons and surgical staff revealed that 100% agree that OTTAVA unlocks opportunities to free up space or convert ORs into robotic ORs.
95% agree that OTTAVA creates efficiencies and 90% (sic) [ 95% ] agree that OTTAVA increases visibility in the OR. These findings are promising and point to real benefits and solutions OTTAVA can provide for hospitals and surgical teams. Given J&J's long-standing leadership in surgical instruments, we are looking forward to launching OTTAVA with next-generation instrumentation purpose-built for robotics.
With these instruments, we listen to surgeons and the most common challenges they have with instruments today. One of those challenges is unintended cutting of sutures. 83% of surgeons experienced at least 1 inadvertent suture cut per month in their robotic surgeries. This can interrupt procedure flow and means starting that portion of the procedure over again. Another is dulling scissors. 98% of surgeons have experienced dull or poorly cutting monopolar scissors, with 30% experiencing these all or most of the time. Scissors are one of the most commonly used surgical instruments. So imagine the impact this can have on experience.
That is where our worlds intersect Rocco. Because we design for what surgeons need, we are addressing these issues with OTTAVA. Our 2-in-1 needle driver has discrete surgeon-activated cutting and suturing-only modes, and we engineered our monopolar curb scissors for consistent and complete cuts.
That's right. Beyond the initial release, it is also our intention to offer a portfolio of advanced surgical instruments exclusively on OTTAVA. This is something surgeons are asking for, a consistent, trusted experience across open, laparoscopic and robotic surgery. We've been working on the science of tissue management for many years with decades of clinical evidence behind our technology. And it is our goal to bring the same level of science to OTTAVA. So you can expect the cadence of 510(k) submissions to advance the portfolio of instruments on OTTAVA. This will be a key element of our commercial expansion.
Let's talk about digital. OTTAVA is a digitally enabled system connected to our open digital ecosystem for surgery. Polyphonic for OTTAVA is a secure digital solution designed to support surgical teams throughout the OTTAVA experience. Through Polyphonic, we are bringing learning, media and data-driven insights to OTTAVA users and their teams. And as we continue to advance our open digital ecosystem, this will bring even more value back to OTTAVA with greater insights and applications. Polyphonic for OTTAVA empowers the surgical robotics program to securely capture data that can fuel research and innovation with privacy by design and security at its core.
Surgeons want data to play a more significant role in surgery. As I mentioned, we were most recently at the Society of Robotic Surgery Annual Meeting, and the topic of data insights has made its way into every part of this event. At the end of the day, surgeons are asking for access to data and insights from it. They want data to fuel research and innovate, and they want data to drive a more collective intelligence across surgery so that in the future, every [indiscernible] surgery informs the next. Our approach to digital takes into account that unmet need and will support surgeons as they shape this future. With all this, I hope you can see why we're so excited to have reached this milestone and can begin to bring OTTAVA to surgical teams and hospitals.
OTTAVA is more than just a new surgical system. It represents a new approach to robotic surgery with the potential to create meaningful advances in capacity, workflow, collaboration and innovation across the operating room. As we look ahead to what's next, from a launch perspective, we're entering one of the most mature robotic surgery markets in the world, alongside surgeons and teams with deep experience in robotics. And frankly, that's a reflection of our confidence in OTTAVA. We'll take a thoughtful approach, starting with innovative early adopters, learning quickly, generating clinical evidence, listening closely to feedback and providing the level of partnership and support expected from Johnson & Johnson.
As we learn, we will move with speed, expanding capabilities, expanding indications and bringing OTTAVA to more surgeons and more markets around the world. Our second IDE study in inguinal hernia repair is ongoing, and we're planning a regular cadence of evidence generation, innovation and indication expansion. Make no mistake, OTTAVA is designed to be a global multi-specialty system. Today, we have a strong starting point and a purpose-built foundation for the future. To close, a quick thank you for joining and for your interest in OTTAVA. We believe OTTAVA represents the start of a new chapter in robotic surgery, and we're excited about the opportunities ahead. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress, innovation and expansion in the months to come.
As you heard today, we believe OTTAVA represents much more than a new surgical robot. It's a platform that we expect to build on for years to come. With that, we are pleased to now open the line for Q&A. Tim Schmid, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, MedTech; Hani Abouhalka, Company Group Chair of Surgery; Neda Cvijetic, Global Head of R&D, Robotics and Digital; and Dr. Dominic Papandria, Global Head of Medical Affairs for OTTAVA will be joining us for Q&A.
[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo.
2. Question Answer
Congrats again on the approval. So you're starting with the U.S. soft tissue robotic market, which, as you mentioned earlier, is more penetrated and more mature than the U.S. and the international market. My question for you is, do you think OTTAVA will expand the market to new robotic users, new settings, new procedures? Or do you think it will take share from existing robotic users? I'm trying to understand if this is more of a zero-sum game or a rising tide that will lift all boats.
Hani, maybe if you could take a start at that one.
[indiscernible] in Miami. Larry, as you can tell when you saw each other, our excitement is about today and the future, and it's really driven by a few things. First, the U.S. is the largest market, and that's also a sign of confidence in our program. But the penetration in the U.S. is still in the high 20s. So we believe OTTAVA is going to be incredibly important to expand the market in the U.S. But also, as we mentioned earlier, we plan to have subsequent indications and geographic expansion to take this global. I do believe competition is great and healthy for everyone, for patients, for surgeons, but our aim is to bring a new category-defining robot to the market. And we know surgical robotics isn't new. But as you've seen us and heard from us, we believe OTTAVA is.
Our next question today is coming from Joanne Wuensch from Citibank.
I'm curious if you can outline your commercial plans and how to think about pricing, things like placement versus sale of the robot and then how you think about wrapping the J&J Ethicon tools around it.
Thank you for the question. A couple of things you've covered there. First, in terms of our pricing philosophy, -- when it comes to innovation, it's always pricing it based on the value it brings to hospitals, to surgical teams, and we'll do this here. In terms of also our commercial approach, we also understand and based on our experience in surgery and ORs across the world, we need to also be collaborative and work with different systems to offer different commercial options to really make sure that it's frictionless and we can work together with hospitals to do that.
In terms of our intent, as I mentioned earlier, our intent is to lead surgical robotics and when we're launching a big program like this, a thoughtful launch at the beginning is important. So as Rocco mentioned, we'll work with early adopters, big academic centers, develop the data, make sure we get the feedback and experiences together. And after that, we plan to rapidly expand indications. And after the U.S., we're planning to go to key markets in Europe and Japan.
Our next question today is coming from Rick Wise with Stifel.
Maybe talk about your manufacturing and go-to-market capabilities here. Clearly, OTTAVA is highly sophisticated system. Talk about your capability to build and manufacture to meet demand. I know that the bed is OEM by another company. But how ready are you to sell this in volume? And maybe as part of that, talk about the need, Hani, to build out a specialist robotic sales team? Or is this going to be through the Ethicon rep structure that exists today?
Refer to the question asked. A few things you covered. First, you heard from Neda how incredibly proud we are of the engineering and R&D teams that we have who are best-in-class in the world. But I can tell you, leading the largest surgery company in the world, our supply chain organization is one of the most resilient, incredible folks in any company, in my opinion. And they've been brought in early to make sure that we're ready at the scale when we're ready to scale. But as I said, the first phase will be this thoughtful launch. As you know, from the robotic system, there's a robot, but there's also the instruments. Today, we are the global leader in things like stapling. So we have deep expertise in manufacturing, and we have incredible partnerships with our suppliers.
In terms of the commercial model, as we [indiscernible] to use our experience. We're in every OR in the world. Our teams are incredibly experienced in surgery. At the same time, we understand we need to build some differentiated capacities in service and capital selling. But I would be remiss not to remind everyone that we are already selling in robotics, in J&J, in MONARCH. We have some capital experiences in cardiovascular and surgery, and we'll bring all these expertise to make sure that we deploy the best teams to support OTTAVA. And also one more thing I'll add is our global education capabilities. We train more surgeons than anybody in the world, and that will be a key factor in also scaling our program.
Next question is coming from Jayson Bedford from Raymond James.
You talked about the benefit of twin motion just removing the need to reposition the patient. Just curious, how often is a patient repositioned during procedure? And can you just frame what you think the potential time savings are on a procedure basis?
I can take that. This is Dominic Papandria. It really depends quite a bit on the procedure. Colorectal procedures [indiscernible] involve quite a bit more patient repositioning. If you're moving through multiple quadrants through multiple anatomic regions of the abdomen, the need for repositioning is much greater.
Our next question today is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley.
Congrats for the approval. I was just wondering if you can comment at all about what's embedded in your long-term guidance for OTTAVA relative to consensus. If you can give us any insight there ahead of the, obviously, enterprise business review meeting you're hosting later this year.
Thank you very much for the question. I would like to maybe just step back very briefly. And for us, just to be very clear, OTTAVA is not just a new robotic system that's entering the market. It is a long-term strategic platform for J&J in one of the most attractive areas of MedTech. And I know while Hani mentioned our focus is on the U.S. to start. We have conviction because we see this as a global program. In fact, fewer than 8% of relevant soft tissue procedures around the world have performed robotically today. And at the same time, hospitals are under increasing pressure to improve operating room efficiency, manage capacity constraints and make better use of technology and data.
And so we believe that this combination that we have creates a substantial opportunity for continued growth and innovation. And very specifically to your question, as we think about the launches, you already heard from Hani, we're going to take a very disciplined approach to commercialization with OTTAVA. We're going to begin with a select group of hospitals. We're going to learn quickly, support them. And in tandem, we will expand capabilities, instruments, indications and geographies as we scale. We already mentioned that, we are parallel passing registrations in markets like Japan and Western Europe. And so over time, we see this definitely being a global program.
To answer your question specifically, we are absolutely adamant that this will be a financially material program for Johnson & Johnson by the end of the decade. While we're not providing specific details on placements and targets today, investors should expect more detail on our expectations for OTTAVA and our broader robotic strategy at our already organized Johnson & Johnson Enterprise Business Review on December 8. Thank you.
Our next question today is coming from Josh Jennings from TD Cowen.
Congratulations on all the progress. I was hoping to just ask about the instrument portfolio. I know that Ethicon's instruments could provide a competitive advantage at some point. But can you help us think about where the instrument portfolio for OTTAVA sits today that's approved and when you expect that full breadth to be in hand and approved as you move forward and expand indications?
Thank you for the question. A couple of things. When you heard from Rocco and Neda, we wanted to build a robot with surgeons for surgeons, and that's what we set to do. Second, we do not want to just do an evolution in the robotic segment. We believe that surgery is changing considerably and what is available today will not be -- what's going to take surgery next, and we wanted to do something different, and that's what we do what that is. A big part of that is instruments. I've worked with J&J for 25 years. And in many parts of the world when it's time to make a choice around a stapler, surgeons choose Ethicon instruments because of the trust and the experience. And even when they're doing robotic procedure in some cases, they would still walk to the table and do a manual firing because of that.
So we wanted from the beginning to bring Ethicon instruments only on top. [indiscernible] the first launch will come with some differentiated instruments that will allow the surgeon to complete the cases as needed. And then in every cadence, we'll bring up immediately after that set of advanced instrumentation both in -- from stapling and energy, but also will have software upgrades. So expect a cadence of continuous innovation to bring this experience trusted across open lab and robotics across our portfolio from medical.
Our next question today is coming from Travis Steed from Bank of America.
Congrats on the approval. Maybe first, just why could you start with some of the general surgery indications? And how do you think about indications and timing for future indications? And then are there any design trade-offs of OTTAVA being a bed integrated robot? Are there certain surgeries or a certain percentage of surgeries that maybe don't get the same reach or where you need 3 arms on one side of the bed as you kind of thought about the market and if there's any design trade-offs with the bed integrated robot design.
Dominic again. We started out with Roux-en-Y gastric bypass as a challenging procedure to unlock multiple general surgery indications. It's a multistep procedure that involves manipulation of both the stomach and small intestine and requires operation in multiple quadrants. Again, we did this not only to strengthen our hand with FDA in terms of unlocking multiple simultaneous indications. But also, there was a real desire to make sure that we could demonstrate performance, demonstrate safety in a complex general surgical procedure.
I can add to that, Travis. Clearly, our expectation is that we will add additional indications. As you heard from Dr. Papandria, the focus on the areas we've decided to initiate our efforts here are already gateway procedures, which give us access to 10 procedures today. As you know, we already have in clinical trials a focus on inguinal hernia, which also is a very expensive procedure. And shortly thereafter, we will move into other areas like urology and gynecology. So certainly, our expectation is that our robot will be available for use in the majority of surgical procedures.
Our next question today is coming from Robbie Marcus from JPMorgan.
Congrats as well on the approval. I wanted to ask, you clearly have excellent relationships with hospitals and surgeons. As you think about the initial launch strategy where you won't have the full indication set, how are you thinking about driving adoption here? And I know you've touched on it in different ways, but is it trying to leverage first the surgeons that you have relationships with and get them to advocate for it? Are you going to maybe argue to the hospital CFOs about some of the cost benefits and operational benefits and cost savings that could bring to the hospital? I guess the question is really where do you see the champion from this just given you are growing up against a very large established competitor that has a lot of -- in the area of surgical robotics already?
Robert, thank you. Great question. I'll start by taking you to 2 weeks ago roughly when we announced the news in Miami at the Society of Robotic Surgery. And I can tell you it was the proudest moment in my career. And it wasn't just because we're bringing an incredible category defining innovation, but just seeing the response from surgeons and surgical teams on sharing this innovation over the line, I can tell you it just gave me goosebumps. And that tells you the excitement that we're seeing and getting from surgical teams.
But if you double-click on why the excitement, there are 2 things that I can tell you that will help us in the early launches, but also when we go to scale. First and foremost, this is -- this wasn't something that we're going to add to an OR. This is not technology we're dumping in an OR. This was built in how ORs work. That's like the first thing.
The second thing is everyone we talk to, they felt from a surgical team perspective, they told us they felt that the robot is part of the surgical team. This friction or tension that usually feel between humans and technology, they didn't feel it. We've heard Rocco mentioned they were asking where was the robot even. From a hospital administrative lens, I've heard when people talk to me about this, [indiscernible] in the hospital, they have to dedicate ORs to the robotic ORs. And in the best of cases, these robotic ORs don't work as efficiently as normal ORs. And if a case was canceled or a surgeon didn't show up, there's idle time and we know what the workflow happens. They're super excited about being able to have every OR be a robotic OR and every robotic OR be an OR, that's very powerful.
The other thing they tell us on that space, 50% is not small numbers. It's not marginal. and not only to space where it fits and where some other robots might not fit, it's also the investments in making sure that the room is fit to take on bigger robots and heavier robots. That's an investment and time that, in some cases, will not work. I worked with J&J also in countries outside the U.S. and there are some ORs and hospitals are not as big as in the same place. So we believe that there's going to be a push for us from nurses, from surgeons and from hospital administrators. And in the end, I think that's going to make a difference for us. And that's why you can see we're clearly excited about this.
Robbie, maybe just adding to Hani's point, I think it's important to just to reaffirm that we are going to establish robotics programs. We're not looking to go where the current incumbent isn't. And so we will be looking at a combination of both academic and nonacademic centers where high-volume surgical procedures are currently done robotically. We think those are going to be the best environment to continue to learn as we scale the program.
Our next question today is coming from Morten Herholdt HSBC.
Could you elaborate a bit on how you see the hurdles in Europe and Japan differing to the U.S. What would hinder uptake or what would maybe aid it and in conclusion, how do you see sort of in the medium term, what is the size of the market outside the U.S. relative to the U.S.?
Thank you for the question. Again, we're the global leader in surgery. We intend to be a global leader in surgical robotics, which means we need, as Tim mentioned, to have expansion in procedures and indications, but also a geographic expansion. Our teams, I believe we have some of the best, most talented regulatory teams in the industry, and they've done incredible work with the great professionals in the FDA to get us to where we are in the U.S. But we're working in parallel with authorities in Europe and in Japan to make sure that we bring this incredible platform to those markets.
And as you hope, if you've seen one thing from us over the last couple of years, we've promised milestones. We delivered the milestones. and we will continue doing so because we understand this is an incredible platform that we need to bring to patients across the world.
Great. And thank you, Morten. We did have a couple of online pre-submitted questions, which I'll share for the team. Neda, I think this one is probably best suited for you. The question is, will the level of automation capability allow OTTAVA to be operated remotely or even autonomously in the future?
Thank you. Thank you so much, and thank you for the question. What I'm incredibly excited about with OTTAVA is that we're bringing automation from day 1, but we've also built a foundation for continuous innovation. And so with the technologies that we have built into the system, including the intelligent arms, the high spatial awareness, the precision, the compute, what this gives us the opportunity to do is to really listen to the care teams, listen to the surgeon, listen to the hospitals and create that cadence of innovation that is geared to solving the challenges that are most pressing to them, including the areas that you mentioned, but really, really focusing on what matters to them. And for us, whatever kind of technology it is, whether it's digital, software, AI, automation, it is always about empowering that human clinical expert in the OR, always. So they will continue to inform where we go next.
Great. Thank you, Neda. Dr. Papandria, this one is probably best suited for you. When you were conducting the FORTE study, how did the physicians find the learning curve? Did it take them a long time to get comfortable operating on OTTAVA?
Well, I can say that in my own personal experience and in speaking with both the FORTE investigators and the multiple surgeons who come to visit us in Santa Clara that the adaptation that's required for the surgeon console is quite swift. The experience there is quite natural. And therefore, the -- in terms of the actual the actual operating that has a very shallow learning curve. There is a bit more that's involved with the table since it has a new architecture. We are doing a fantastic work through our professional education teams and ultimately through our Johnson & Johnson Institutes to provide quality training so that teams can rapidly adapt to this platform.
Great. Thank you. And thanks to everyone for joining us today and for your interest in OTTAVA. FDA authorization is an important milestone, and our focus now shifts to execution. We're excited to begin working with customers, continue building evidence and bring OTTAVA to market in a thoughtful and disciplined way. We appreciate your support and look forward to sharing our progress in the months ahead.
Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson & Johnson's OTTAVA Investor Conference Call. You may now disconnect.
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Johnson & Johnson — Special Call - Johnson & Johnson
J&J kündigt nach FDA‑De‑Novo‑Zulassung das OTTAVA‑Robotics‑System an; Fokus auf US‑Start, platzsparendes Design, Automatisierung und Instrument-/Digital‑Roadmap.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Ziel: OTTAVA positioniert sich als neues, multi‑fachgebietiges Plattformprodukt für weiche Gewebeoperationen mit De‑Novo‑Zulassung in den USA und klarem Startfokus auf frühe, innovative Anwender.
- Value‑Proposition: Table‑integrierte, motorisierte Arme, Twin Motion (synchronisierte Tisch‑ und Arm‑Bewegung) und Automatisierung sollen Workflow‑Effizienz und OR‑Kapazität erhöhen.
- Digital: Offenes Ökosystem "Polyphonic" liefert Daten, Schulung und Sicherheitsfunktionen; verstärkte Daten‑ und Forschungsoptionen für Kliniken.
🚀 Strategische Highlights
- Plattform‑Design: Keine Booms/Karren; integriert in Standard‑OP‑Tisch, beansprucht laut Management 30–50% weniger Raum und ermöglicht Robotik in zuvor ungeeigneten Räumen.
- Workflow & Automation: Twin Motion und "automated procedure poses" sollen Unterbrechungen (Undocking/Repositionieren) vermeiden und Setup/Tear‑down standardisieren.
- Instrumente & Zulassung: Start mit differenzierten Instrumenten, anschließende 510(k)‑Cadence für ein erweitertes Portfolio (Stapling, Energie, spezialisiertes Zubehör).
🆕 Neue Informationen
- Regulatorisch: De‑Novo‑Zulassung in den USA bestätigt die Einzigartigkeit der Architektur (kein 510(k)‑Prädikat).
- Klinische Daten: FORTE‑Studie: 30 Patienten, 100% prozedurale Komplettierung ohne Konversion; 5 von 6 Sites nutzten ORs, die zuvor nicht robotisch einsetzbar waren.
- Zeitplan/Kommerz: Parallele Registrierungen in Europa/Japan geplant; konkrete Stückzahlen/Preise/Finanz‑Targets werden nicht genannt, detailliertere Infos am Enterprise Business Review (8. Dez.).
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Marktdynamik: Diskussion, ob OTTAVA Markt erweitert oder Marktanteile verschiebt; Management erwartet Markterweiterung durch Platzvorteil und neue Einsatzorte.
- Kommerzmodell: Fragen zu Preisgestaltung, Verkauf vs. Platzierung, Nutzung des Ethicon‑Vertriebs; Antwort: Wertbasierte Preisstrategie, flexible kommerzielle Optionen und kombinierter Einsatz bestehender J&J‑Teams plus spezialisierte Sales/Service‑Kapazitäten.
- Fertigung & Skalierung: Nachfrage nach Produktions‑ und Trainingskapazität; Management betont belastbare Lieferkette, Erfahrungen mit Kapitalgütern und umfangreiche Trainings‑/Education‑Infrastruktur.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Implikation: OTTAVA ist ein langfristig strategisches MedTech‑Investment mit realem Potenzial, Operationssäle zu öffnen, Abläufe zu straffen und Instrument‑Attach‑Umsatz zu generieren. Kurzfristig bleibt Umsatz‑/Placement‑Impact unquantifiziert; wesentliche Beobachtungspunkte sind Verkaufsmodell, Instrumentenzulassungen und frühe klinische/kommer zielle KPIs.
Johnson & Johnson — Q2 2026 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning and welcome to Johnson & Johnson's Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the conference call over to Johnson & Johnson. You may begin.
Hello, everyone. This is Ryan Koors, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson & Johnson, I'm excited to be here today and to lead the Investor Relations team moving forward. Welcome to our company's review of business results for the second quarter of 2026 and our financial outlook for the full year.
First, a few logistics. As a reminder, today's presentation and associated schedules are available on the Investor Relations section of the Johnson & Johnson website at investor.jnj.com. Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, the company's future operating and financial performance, market position and business strategy. You are cautioned not to rely on these forward-looking statements, which are based on the current expectations of future events using the information available as of the date of this recording. They are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. The description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2025 Form 10-K which is available at investor.jnj.com and on the SEC's website. Additionally, several of the products and compounds discussed today are being developed in collaboration with strategic partners or licensed from other companies. This slide acknowledges those relationships.
Moving to today's agenda. Joaquin Duato, our Chairman and CEO, will discuss our business performance and growth drivers. I will then review the second quarter sales and P&L results. Joe Wolk, our CFO, will then close by sharing an overview of our capital allocation priorities and updated guidance for 2026. Jennifer Taubert, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, Innovative Medicine; John Reed, Executive Vice President, Innovative Medicine Research and Development; and Tim Schmid, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, Medtech, will be joining us for Q&A. To ensure we provide enough time to address your questions, we anticipate the webcast will last approximately 60 minutes.
With that, I will now turn the call over to Joaquin.
Thank you, Ryan, and welcome to your new role. I'm pleased to share the top line results from our strong second quarter. We said 2026 would be a year of accelerated growth and impact for Johnson & Johnson and with our Q2 beat on the top and bottom line and raised guidance we are delivering across oncology, immunology, neuroscience, cardiovascular surgeon ambition. The strength of our business is built on our unique combination of scientific expertise, scale and disciplined execution.
We have the strongest portfolio and pipeline in our 140-year history with 28 products and platforms that each delivered more than $1 billion in annual sales. In Q2, we reported operational sales growth of 5.6%. Excluding STELARA, we grew double digits in the quarter. With sales in the quarter of more than $25 billion, we are on track to meet our 2026 target of more than $100 billion in annual revenue for the first time in our company's 140-year history. We are pleased with the progress of our new launches including ICOTYDE, INLEXZO and RYBREVANT instilling confidence that momentum will accelerate into 2027 and beyond with line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade. ICOTYDE, in particular, has significant early launch momentum with uptake accelerating and performance outpacing competitors at comparable points in the launches.
Since launch, more than 10,000 patients have initiated therapy on ICOTYDE, underscoring the unmet need for patients seeking first-line systemic treatment with a unique combination of efficacy, safety and the simplicity of our once-daily pill. In innovative medicine, we delivered operational sales growth of 6.8% in the quarter, with 8 brands growing double digits. In oncology, our commitment to transform patient outcomes has never been stronger. We are on track to be the #1 oncology company by 2030, with sales projected to exceed $50 billion. Leading the way in Q2 is DARZALEX, the foundational treatment for multiple myeloma, which continues to be our largest product. Once again, DARZALEX delivered sales of more than $4 billion, growing close to 18%.
When we talk about the depth of our portfolio, nowhere is that more evident than in multiple myeloma. We have treatments in every line of therapy with 80% of patients receiving one or more of our medicines during the treatment journey. CARVYKTI, TECVAYLI and TALVEY continue to deliver high double-digit growth. And we are not standing still with the new data this quarter showing the combination of TALVEY and DARZALEX delivered deep and durable responses with more than 80% of patients progression-free at 2 years, and overall survival up to 89%.
In solid tumors, we continue to see strong performance from ERLEADA and RYBREVANT, and we shared important new data for both at ASCO that could change clinical practice. For ERLEADA, we opened the ASCO plenary with our Phase III PROTEUS study showing that treatment before and after surgery significantly reduces the risk of metastasis or death in high-risk localized prostate cancer. And with RYBREVANT, we demonstrated durable responses in head and neck cancer, an area with limited options and have submitted a filing to the FDA to build on existing lung cancer indications. While we are not yet reporting quarterly sales for INLEXZO in bladder cancer we are encouraged by the early momentum during the second quarter, nearly 1 in 3 eligible patients started on an INLEXZO regimen. And new patient insertions grew approximately 75% versus prior quarter. And building on our recent acquisition of Halda Therapeutics, we also announced plans to acquire FireFly Bio, adding another antibody platform that strengthens our leadership in next-generation oncology innovation. We expect the transaction to close during the third quarter.
In immunology, we have built one of the deepest and most differentiated portfolios in the industry. TREMFYA remains the fastest-growing advanced therapy in both Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis, delivering exceptional overall sales growth of 71% in the quarter. With the dual powerhouse of TREMFYA and ICOTYDE in psoriasis, we now have a complementary portfolio of both first-line biologic and first-line systemic treatments. We continue to see strong uptake of IMAAVY in generalized myasthenia gravis and recently received FDA priority review status in warm autoimmune hemolytic anemia.
In neuroscience, we are developing treatments to transform care for complex brain and nervous system disorders. SPRAVATO and CAPLYTA both performed strongly in the quarter. CAPLYTA new patient starts were up 122% versus prior year, significantly outpacing the market leader and with FDA approval for the prevention of relapse in schizophrenia, we have continued momentum.
Now let's turn to MedTech, where we delivered Q2 operational sales growth of 3.6%. In cardiovascular, we are the global leaders in electrophysiology, circulatory restoration and hard recovery. VARIPULSE, our post-field ablation platform for at fibrillation continues to build momentum with more than 85,000 Afib patients now treated worldwide. In Q2, our position was further strengthened with the debut of CARTO Sound Sonata bringing new AI-powered imaging and mapping capabilities to electrophysiology.
We also received FDA authorization for our dual energy THERMALCOOL SMARTTOUCH SF platform which intakes pulse field and radio frequency energy in a single system to give physicians greater flexibility in tailoring ablation treatments for patients. In circulatory restoration, the Q2 global launch of Shockwave C2 AERO expanded our ability to treat more complex coronary disease and broadens the reach of our intravascular lithotripsy platform. And in a recovery, while Abiomed growth slowed in Q2 as a result of increased decision selectivity weighing on procedural volumes, we are working to strengthen the confidence in our extensive clinical evidence and real-world experience.
In surgery, we are unlocking a new era powered by robotics and digital innovation. We are progressing towards potential FDA authorization of a the world's first stable integrated robotic surgical system. This is one of the most significant MedTech innovation we will bring to market this decade. OTTAVA's unique architecture automated features and next-generation robotic instruments help address surgeons unmet needs, while integration with our polyphonic open digital ecosystem provides data-driven insights and analytics to better support surgical teams.
This quarter, we also received CE Mark approval for the Ethicon 4000 Stapler the latest advancement in our line of surgical technologies. In vision, we have a bold ambition to make vision possible for more than 40 million people each year. In Q2, we announced the expanded U.S. availability of TECNIS PureSee as we accelerate the rollout of this extended depth of focus intraocular lens. Our ACUVUE portfolio delivered strong quarterly growth across all regions. And as a part of our $55 billion U.S. commitment we recently announced an investment of more than $1 billion to scale our U.S. vision manufacturing packaging and distribution capabilities as we expand capacity to meet growing demand for these products.
Our progress in Q2 reflects what makes Johnson & Johnson unique, a company innovating across the full spectrum of health care delivering strong performance today while building a pipeline that will transform care for patients tomorrow. As we look ahead, our confidence is rooted in the breadth of our innovation from transformational medicines to next-generation medical technologies. That combination of science, scale and disciplined execution is what uniquely positions Johnson & Johnson to lead the next wave of health care innovation.
I will now turn the call back over to Ryan.
Thank you, Joaquin. Moving to our financial results. Unless otherwise stated, the percentages quoted represent operational results and therefore, exclude the impact of currency translation. Starting with Q2 2026 sales results. Worldwide sales were $25.3 billion for the quarter. Sales increased 5.6% despite an approximate 460 basis point headwind from STELARA. Excluding STELARA, Johnson & Johnson grew double digits for the quarter. Growth in the U.S. was 7.3% and 3.4% outside of the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net negative impact on worldwide growth of 10 basis points.
Now turning to earnings. For the quarter, net earnings were $5.5 billion and diluted earnings per share were $2.27 versus $2.29 a year ago. Adjusted net earnings for the quarter were $7.1 billion, adjusted diluted earnings per share were $2.90, representing an increase of 5.7% and 4.7%, respectively, compared to the second quarter of 2025.
I will now comment on business sales results in the quarter. focusing on the 6 key areas where meaningful innovation and strong commercial execution are driving our performance and fueling long-term growth. Beginning with innovative medicine, where our financial results reflect the depth of our expertise and innovation in areas of high unmet need across oncology, immunology and neuroscience. Worldwide sales of $16.4 billion increased 6.8% despite an approximate 760 basis point headwind from STELARA, which underscores the continued strength of our key brands and new launches. Growth in the U.S. was 8.9% and 3.6% outside of the U.S. divestitures had a negative impact of 10 basis points on worldwide growth.
In oncology, starting with multiple myeloma. DARZALEX growth was 17.6%, primarily driven by strong share gains of 5 points across all lines of therapy with nearly 11 points in the frontline setting as well as continued market growth. CARVYKTI achieved growth of 47.7% driven by share gains and continued site expansion. TECVAYLI growth was 56.1% with worldwide sequential growth of 29.2% and an impressive U.S. sequential growth of 46.2% driven by launch uptake and share gains across earlier lines of therapy following last quarter's approval in the U.S. for TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX FASPRO and from expansion in the community setting. TALVEY growth was 62.6%, driven by share gains due to increased depth of prescribing in the community setting. In lung cancer, RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE delivered growth of 61.6%, driven by continued launch uptake in all regions, share gains in the first and second lines with rapid uptake in RYBREVANT FASPRO.
In prostate cancer, ERLEADA delivered growth of 7.6%, with continued share gains and market growth, partially offset by unfavorable patient mix and inventory dynamics. Within immunology, TREMFYA delivered impressive growth of 71% as the IBD launch is driving significant momentum and we continue to see share gains across all indications as well as continued market growth. STELARA declined 55.7%, driven by share loss due to biosimilar competition, increasing adoption of novel classes and unfavorable patient mix. Growth in other immunology is driven by U.S. new product launches, IMAAVY and ICOTYDE.
In neuroscience, SPRAVATO grew 40%, driven by continued strong demand from physicians and patients and strong sequential growth of 24.8%. CAPLYTA showed significant growth of 70.9%, driven by strong continued launch momentum in adjunctive major depressive disorder.
Now moving to MedTech, where we delivered growth across each of our key focus areas, cardiovascular surgery and vision. Worldwide sales of $8.9 billion increased 3.6% with growth of 3.9% in the U.S. and 3.2% outside the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net negative impact of 10 basis points on worldwide growth. Overall, cardiovascular grew 3.1%, which is lower than our recent trend primarily due to headwinds in electrophysiology and Abiomed.
In electrophysiology, growth of 3.1% was driven by procedure growth, commercial execution, and new product performance, partially offset by competitive PFA pressures. There was also a negative impact from China inventory, which we estimate to be 400 basis points. Abiomed saw a decline of 2% due to pressures on U.S. procedures driven by usage patterns. The downturn came as physicians evaluated the results of a recent external clinical trial, which increased selectivity within the quarter, particularly in the U.S. The decline was partially offset by continued OUS growth, including sustained adoption of Impella 5.5. Shockwave grew double digits at 14.7%, driven by continued adoption of coronary and peripheral products as well as new product launches.
Surgery grew 2.3%, including a negative impact of approximately 40 basis points from divestitures. Growth was driven by strength of the portfolio and commercial execution in biosurgery and enclosure, partially offset by VBP in China and surgery transformation across the portfolio as well as competitive pressures in energy and endocutters. Envision growth was 5.6%, driven by premium innovation, strong execution and global reach. Contact lenses and other products had a strong quarter with 6% growth, driven by strong performance in the ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day family of products, further solidifying our leadership position. Surgical vision grew 4.7%, driven by new product innovations robust demand for premium IOLs and strong commercial execution, partially offset by competitive pressures in the U.S. Orthopaedics growth for the quarter was 4.2%, primarily driven by new product launches such as Volt and Trauma and strong commercial execution across the portfolio.
Now turning to our consolidated statement of earnings for the second quarter of 2026. The I'd like to highlight a few noteworthy items that have changed compared to the same quarter of last year. Cost of goods sold leveraged by 30 basis points, driven by favorable operational drivers in currency, partially offset by unfavorable product mix in the Innovative Medicine business as well as the impact of tariffs in the MedTech business. Selling, marketing and administrative expenses deleveraged by 60 basis points, driven by increased investments in our new product launches. Research and development leveraged by 40 basis points, primarily driven by expense phasing in the innovative medicine business, partially offset by increased investment in med tech. Interest income and expense was a net expense of $62 million as compared to $48 million of expense in the second quarter of 2025. Other income and expense was a net expense of $331 million as compared to $107 million of expense in the second quarter of 2025 with the change primarily driven by higher litigation expense, restructuring related asset impairments and orthopedic separation-related costs partially offset by higher gains on securities.
For taxes, on a GAAP basis, the effective rate in the second quarter of 2026 was 18% compared to 14.7% in the second quarter of 2025. More information can be found in our upcoming 10-Q for changes in taxes. Lastly, I'll direct your attention to the box section of the slide where we also have provided our income before tax net earnings and earnings per share adjusted to exclude the impact of intangible amortization expense and special items.
Now let's look at adjusted income before tax by cement for the quarter. Innovative Medicine margin declined from 42.7% to 42.5%, primarily driven by unfavorable mix and heavier investments in new product launches, partially offset by expense phasing in research and development. MedTech margin declined from 22.2% to 22%, primarily driven by commercial investments, increased research and development and the increased impact of tariffs, partially offset by favorable operational drivers in currency and cost of products sold. As a result, adjusted income before tax for the enterprise as a percentage of sales decreased from 34.5% to 34.2%.
This concludes the sales and earnings portion of the call, and I will now turn the call over to Joe.
Thank you, Ryan, and congratulations on your first earnings call. Your experience across all parts of Johnson & Johnson's business will be a real asset to our company as well as the investment community. We're glad you're in the role. .
Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. As Joaquin highlighted earlier, we delivered a solid quarter, supported by the depth of our in-market portfolio and strong execution across our new product launches with particularly good growth in innovative medicine. In MedTech, results were not to our standards in cardiovascular, primarily heart recovery However, we remain confident in our long-term projections for the med tech business. A quarter like this, I believe, underscores the strength of Johnson & Johnson. Even with a notable headwind, we still delivered performance that exceeded your expectations and enabled us to confidently raise our full year 2026 financial outlook. We are not dependent on 1 or 2 products. We have a broad durable portfolio that has 28 platforms, each generating more than $1 billion in annual revenue that we are intent on adding to in the coming years. It is that foundation that gives us clear line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
Turning to results with our cash position. We ended the second quarter with approximately $21 billion of cash and marketable securities and approximately $49 billion of debt for a net debt position of approximately $28 billion. You may recall in Q1 that free cash flow is light, but as expected, we had significant improvement in the second quarter year-to-date totaling approximately $8.7 billion and are on track for our full year free cash flow outlook approaching $21 billion. Our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged. We continue to prioritize investments with a focus on supporting our commercial launches and advancing future innovation. As stated previously, acquisitions are an enabler of growth, but they are not a requirement to deliver on our near- and long-term objectives.
Our financial strength allows us to continue investing in R&D while pursuing opportunities where our scientific and commercial capabilities can accelerate innovation and create differentiated value. A good example of that is the recently announced agreement to acquire Firefly Bio. The planned acquisition expected to close in the third quarter of 2026, will add a proprietary platform designed to target KRAS driven solid tumors, which are typically more difficult to treat and further diversifies our oncology pipeline. We also remain committed to returning capital directly to shareholders primarily through our dividend.
Turning to full year guidance for 2026. As always, our outlook reflects what we know today regarding foreign exchange rates, tariffs, the broader macroeconomic environment and other external factors. Driven by second quarter performance and uptake of new product launches we are increasing operational sales growth by $400 million, now expecting operational sales growth for the full year to be in the range of 6.5% to 7.1%, with a midpoint of $100.6 billion. As a reminder, our financial calendar in 2026 includes a 53rd week, which provides a benefit of approximately 100 basis points in 2026. We do not speculate on future currency movements. Last quarter, we utilized a euro spot rate to the U.S. dollar of $1.17. As of last week, the euro spot rate to the U.S. dollar was $1.14. Based on all major currency movements, we estimate a negative total foreign currency impact of $100 million versus prior guidance. As a result, we now expect reported sales growth of 7.0% to 7.6%, with a midpoint of $101.1 billion or 7.3%. As we look at the remainder of the year, based on year-to-date performance and updated guidance, we anticipate operational sales growth to improve in the second half of the year. As a reminder, fourth quarter growth should be higher due to the benefit from the 53rd week.
Turning to other notable items on the P&L. At the beginning of the year, we guided to more than a 50 basis point improvement in adjusted pretax operating margin. We now expect approximately a 75 basis point improvement supported by continuing operating efficiencies and anticipated reduction and recoupment of certain tariff rated costs based on the latest rulings. This pretax operating margin improvement also considers the expected cost from the 53rd week of operations and the previously announced agreement with the U.S. government to improve access to medicines and lower costs to the U.S. patients. For net interest expense, we now project $250 million to $300 million, slightly lower than previous guidance. Our effective tax rate is now expected to be lower in a range of 17.0% to 18.0% for the full year based on year-to-date results.
Turning to earnings per share. We are pleased to increase our adjusted operational earnings per share range to $11.50 to $11.65, which equates to an increase of $0.18 at the midpoint. This represents a year-on-year adjusted operational EPS growth of 7.3%. Reported earnings per share is projected to be $11.60 to $11.75 or $11.68 at the midpoint, which represents an 8.2% increase over the prior year. The updated earnings per share guidance range includes a $0.05 reduction of favorable currency when compared to prior guidance. Our current outlook does not include the impact of any pending acquisitions such as Firefly Bio. We have several meaningful pipeline catalysts in the second half of the year. We anticipate FDA regulatory approval for main as the first-ever treatment for patients with warm autoimmune hemolytic anemia, a rare and serious auto antibody disease.
We also have important data readouts across our innovative medicine pipeline, including Tech Valley in combination with TECVAYLI for patients with relapsed/refractory multiple myeloma who have received 1 to 4 prior lines of therapy. Pasritamig, a first-in-class bispecific antibody in patients with advanced prostate cancer who have progressed after multiple lines of therapy and J&J-6143, an investigational first-in-class once-daily oral therapy for metastatic castration-resistant prostate cancer. This will be the first clinical readout from an ongoing study from our recent Halda acquisition. We are also expecting data readouts for Eleo in high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer ice in psoriatic arthritis and CAPLYTA in bipolar mania.
Turning to MedTech. There are several important catalysts that we expect to generate momentum. In cardiovascular, we expect launches for the dual energy THERMOCOOL SMARTTOUCH SF platform as well as the Shockwave C2 AERO and Aerofly-IVL catheters. In electrophysiology, we expect continued adoption of Carto Sound Sonata cardiomapping in the U.S. and VARIPULSE Pro in EMEA with anticipated approval of VARIPULSE Pro in the U.S. later this year. In surgery, we anticipate FDA approval for the OTTAVA robotic surgical system and the EMEA launch of ETHICON 4000 and envision we continue to expand availability of TECNIS PureSee intraocular lens for cataract and presbyopia while driving adoption of ACUVUE OASYS Max lenses.
Finally, the Orthopedics business under Namal Nawana's leadership had another quarter of improvement. We continue to evaluate all separation options that create shareholder value and set the DePuy Synthes business up for success long term. We are pleased with the progress made are on track for a mid-2027 separation and look forward to sharing updates later this year. So to wrap up before we take your questions, our first half performance illustrates the strength and resilience of our portfolio. The momentum we are building behind our new products and the steady progress we are making across our pipeline.
Strategic focus, scale and financial flexibility to invest in opportunities we believe will create the greatest value for patients should translate into meaningful value for shareholders. We look forward to sharing more on strategy, growth catalysts and a longer-term outlook at our Enterprise business review on December 8. To our colleagues around the world, thank you. Your dedication and disciplined execution are what make our performance possible, and you continue to deliver meaningful innovation to more patients, improve outcomes and raise the standard of care.
With that, we are pleased to take your questions. Kevin, can you please open the call for Q&A?
[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Chris Schott from JPMorgan.
2. Question Answer
Great. And congrats on all the progress. Maybe just, Joe, if you could dive a little bit more into the $400 million increase in operational sales guidance. I was just interested for a little bit more color of the balance of pharma versus the med tech components to this. I guess just bigger picture, is it fair to think about pharma moving higher here, maybe partially offset by a bit lower med tech growth assumptions? Or just any directional color there would be helpful.
Yes, thank you for the question. I would say that's probably a fair characterization. As you know, we always had a little bit better revenue growth projected in the second half of the year, irrespective of the extra week of sales that will occur in the fourth quarter when you think about products that are really in their infancy with respect to ICOTYDE, INLEXCO and just the emergence of TREMFYA continuing to do well with the IBD indications that were received over the last 18 months. It was always that projection. .
I think really maybe to the heart of your question is we do expect MedTech to grow better in the second half than the first half as well. We have tempered expectations around the Abiomed business. with respect to that. So we see that recovery happening, but probably as we leave this year into next year. So not declines, but more modest growth until our PROTECT 4 data comes out, which I'm sure Tim will have an answer to in a future question to expand upon. Hopefully, that helps, Chris.
Our next question today is coming from Massad Haider from Goldman Sachs.
Maybe for Jennifer, John on ICOTYDE, just the launch seems to be progressing well. You noted 10,000 patients have now initiated therapy. Just wondering if you can provide any update on prescriber accounts relative to the last update of 4,500 prescribers that you called out in June. What can you tell us about sampling and free drug that you're providing and where you are with formulary negotiations? And when can we expect to see you break out sales? And then maybe just a second part on that. How are you positioning Tremfya and ICOTYDE together to the dermatologist community and psoriasis? Are there any synergies or advantages that you're seeing emerge from having both options?
Great. Well, thanks, [indiscernible]. This is Jennifer, and good morning, everybody. And I really want to start with a big thank you to all of our innovative medicine colleagues around the world for an outstanding quarter of delivering for patients. So over $16 billion in sales first $1 billion quarter, 6.8% operational growth, and it's also worth noting STELARA was only 4% of our innovative medicine business in the second quarter. And if you exclude that, the 96% of our business, 96% actually grew over 14%. And this is really based on the strong growth across our main key brands as well as our must-win launches, and the team has really done an outstanding job around the world on that. So glad to have the opportunity to talk about ICOTYDE because we are really thrilled the launch and how it's progressing.
I think as we noted last time, we feel real good about the differentiated label that we got. ICOTYDE is the first and only targeted oral peptide that precisely block IL-23 inhibitor. If we talk about the U.S. launch and get into some details that you asked, it's really off to a strong start. As a reminder, ready day 1. And in fact, the first patient prescribed received ICOTYDE on that launch day and early physician and patient enthusiasm has been really great.
If we get into numbers on it, to date, over 18,000 prescriptions have been written for a total of now 11,000 patients. So that's an update from the 10 just shortly. There are 6,000 unique prescribers. And if you take a look at those, over 50% are actually advanced practice providers, about 40% are dermatologists and the rest are primary care physicians. And so that tells us that there's really good confidence in the product in both the efficacy and safety profile as well as the simplicity of the simple once daily pill.
We're already seeing a number of writers who are repeat. We're seeing patients getting repeat prescriptions. Can we take a look at the payer coverage? Within 90 days, we already have over 50% of commercial coverage. And we think that's great. That's actually a little bit ahead of our projections. So team is making really great progress on the payer average there. And so in total, we think the launch is going very well. You asked about ICOTYDE and TREMFYA. And I think really, really important to note, we've got this great uptick in ICOTYDE. This has not slowed down in psoriatic disease at all. So TREMFYA in psoriatic disease, psoriasis and PSA, that growth and market share gains has actually continued well above the market. And notable in the second quarter that we got approval for inhibition of structural damage for TREMFYA in PSA.
And then in terms of really copositioning, ICOTYDE is the first choice systemic treatment. All of those patients who've been sickling on topicals who really need to have advanced, we think ICOTYDE sits right in that sweet spot as that first choice systemic. For TREMFYA, we think it's the first choice biologic, particularly for patients that have potential for or have any psoriatic arthritis involvement and many, many patients, a significant percentage with psoriasis actually progress the psoriatic arthritis as well. So we think really distinct and unique positions for both and well reflected in the results that we saw in the quarter with both products doing really well. Additionally, we are investing to win on ICOTYDE. This is one of our must-win launches in addition to what you've seen, we actually also started our direct-to-consumer advertising yesterday. Those of you who are watching World Cup or baseball had a chance to see that. And so we think this is even going to further bring more patients in to talk to their providers about new options for psoriasis.
Maybe one quick addition, John Reed here. We do expect to have pivotal data later this year. for ICOTYDE in psoriatic arthritis. And as Jennifer pointed out, there's overlap in the psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis populations psoriasis, the skin manifestations are often a comorbidity for patients with psoriatic arthritis. And our Phase III studies in ulcerative colitis and Crohn's are in full steam now. So we're moving ICOTYDE forward as a possible frontline therapy there as well.
Our next question is coming from Larry BIegelsen from Wells Fargo.
Tim, I'm sure you know there continue to be concerns about procedure growth in the U.S. What did you see in Q2? And how are you thinking about procedure growth the rest of the year? And regarding J&J, I heard Joe say the second half J&J MedTech growth would be better than the first half, which was 4.2%, I believe. Do you still expect MedTech to grow faster in '26, excluding the extra week?
Larry, thank you so much for the question, and let me before I get into procedure volume. And certainly, given the news that we've heard from hospital providers this week. I know it's a hot topic, but I'd like to put our second quarter performance in context for you and for others. When we step back and we look across the full portfolio, the underlying picture remains solid. Procedure volumes continue to be stable, and we're not seeing evidence of a broad-based slowdown in demand. And to be clear, Larry, 3 of our 4 businesses, Surgery, Vision and Orthopedics all accelerated in the quarter and performed above expectations. Surgery growth was driven by continued strong performance in we closure and almost double-digit growth in BioSurgery.
Vision you would have noticed delivered meaningful acceleration in contact lens and continued momentum in IOLs. And in orthopedics, as you've heard already from Joe, we continue to see that business go from strength to strength electing stronger execution and the impact of multiple new products. I would like to turn quickly to CV. And let me first acknowledge that our Q2 growth is not where you wanted it. And frankly, it's the way we wanted it. That said, we know what happened and we know exactly what we're doing about it. In full transparency, CV growth was more muted this quarter in both EP and heart recovery partially offset by continued double-digit growth in Shockwave.
In EP, as you already heard, we continue to see strong underlying demand. However, we did have an inventory dynamic in China, which impacted our growth by about 400 basis points that would have taken global growth up to north of 7%. And then heart recovery due to a recent neutral clinical trial in the U.K., Impella usage has slowed. We see this as a near-term dynamic, and we're actively engaging physicians and their teams to reinforce appropriate patient selection, leveraging significant depth of our clinical evidence base. So again, to put it all in context, 3 out of our 4 businesses performed well, and we're confidently addressing the fourth and nothing we see changes our conviction in the long-term growth thesis for both our CV business as well as J&J MedTech at large.
To your question about procedure volumes. From our perspective, when we look across the breadth of our portfolio, we see that volumes are generally in line with market trends, and we're not currently seeing any evidence of a broad-based slowdown in activity. Demand remains consistent what we would expect given the fundamentals of these markets, which, as you know, continue to be driven by themes such as aging populations increasing disease [indiscernible] and ongoing innovation that is expanding our access more patients. We are acutely aware of the recent data that has been provided by a number of large U.S. hospital operators highlighting pressure on certain procedure volumes, particularly in more elective areas of care.
And while we're monitoring these trends very closely, they are not reflected in what we're seeing across our portfolio today. As you know, our business is diversified across a broad range of categories, many of which are less dependent on discretionary elective procedures and our perspective, overall procedure trends remain consistent in the quarter with our expectations I will also point to, there has been a bunch of chatter about the potential impact of the ACA subsidy removals based on what we're seeing we're not -- we haven't observed any meaningful impact on procedure volumes across our portfolio related to the ACA. And while we expect that the expiration of -- the Affordable Care Act subsidies may create some affordability pressures for a small cohort of patients, we do not expect this to translate into a material impact on demand for med tech and procedures. And so to be clear, we would not attribute our med tech performance in Q2 to a systemic slowdown in procedures. As already mentioned, we do expect an acceleration of our performance in the second half driven by continued performance of our businesses in Vision in orthopedics and in surgery and certainly improvement on the back of our efforts to drive greater performance within cardiovascular.
Our next question today is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley.
Great. Congrats on the quarter. I was just wondering, Jennifer, if you could expand on what you're seeing with TECVAYLI. Obviously, important new data that's been added to the label recently. So just wondering how that's impacting the growth dynamics. And then maybe you could expand on what you're seeing in terms of academic versus community use.
We had a great quarter for TECVAYLI with sales of $260 million, versus prior year. And really, that was driven by significant launch uptake and share gains across the earlier lines of therapy based on the approval that we got in the U.S. for TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX and also continued expansion in setting. So we're real excited about the approval of the combination regimen there. It's the first and only steroid-free, readily available immediate immunotherapy option that really has that best-in-class efficacy and the potential for cure for patients in that second-line setting.
As a reminder on that data because we think it's truly extraordinary. It's 3 years, 83% of patients remained alive and progression free. And so this is really resonating with physicians. In terms of U.S. uptake, we're seeing really strong early U.S. demand following the rapid approval that we have for TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX. And so if you take a look quarter-to-quarter like quarter to second quarter, we saw a 29% increase in sequential growth there. And that's in terms of patients that were initiated in tech, and this is really due to new account adoption and increasing depth of prescribing.
Furthermore, the vast majority of patients now with TECDERA are starting in the second to third line setting. And we continue to see increases in community site really set up an expansion in the U.S., they had a 25% quarter-over-quarter increase in community sites expanding there. And so we're feeling really good about what we're seeing in terms of TECVAYLI and TECVAYLI growth along with DARZALEX in that second and third line setting.
Next question today is coming from Joanne Wuensch from Citibank.
You have a fairly robust robotics portfolio that should be rolling out over the next couple of quarters and you did mention SRS. Could you please sort of give us an update on the lay of the land and what we might expect next week?
Joanne, thank you for the question and certainly your interest in robotics program. As you know, we have been worldwide leaders in open and laparoscopic surgery. And certainly, we are excited and very much committed to being a major player in the area of surgical robotics. I think you know that we are eagerly awaiting approval of OTTAVA. We submitted late last year. We are actively working on our second clinical trial, specifically focused on inguinal hernia, and we will provide much more detail around our exciting launch plans once approvals have been secured. That said, we are committed to the launch of 2, assuming approvals come our way, which we're very confident about. We are committed to 2 large robotic launches this year, both the launch of a which we believe is truly differentiated against the existing incumbent and of course, the launch of Monarch for urology, which will be a first-of-kind opportunity in that particular area. And so we will provide more information about those 2 launches at some more information next week.
We'll also provide some update certainly on the FORTE trial our clinical trial, which was actually presented at the ASMBS conference about 1.5 months ago, and I actually had the opportunity to attend a meeting out in California with about 70 world -- actually would renowned robotic surgeons and got to see firsthand our surgeons not only listen to the discretion about the trial, but also to actually drive the robot and frankly, just seeing the looks on their faces, the feedback we received gives me even more confidence that we have a device that will absolutely compete against the current incumbent and so more to come on that.
And to be clear, Joanne, this is Joaquin. We see our robotics platform both OTTAVA and Monarch being a meaningful contributor to MedTech growth by the end of the decade.
Our next question today is coming from Vamil Divan from Guggenheim Securities.
Great. Maybe following up on similar to the question on ICOTYDE. I was hoping to get a little more color on [indiscernible] and the progress you're making there? I know you said sort of 1 in 3 eligible patients now receiving it in inflation up. I think said 75%. Maybe you can give a little more color on sort of where you're seeing utilization to differentiate between the communities setting academics and what sorts of patients are getting the product in the we can share anything around patient numbers or prescriber numbers? And then the other part was just around you gave the Sunrise 5 data coming out, you said a little later this year, maybe you can just sort of set an expectation on what you're hoping to see from that data.
Great. Thanks for the question on INLEXCO. As a reminder, bladder cancer is the sixth most common type of cancer. There's over 600,000 new patients that are diagnosed globally each year and another 400,000 that are recurrent, so for a total of 1 million patients. And so this really helps us have great confidence this is an extraordinary opportunity for us with INLEXZO, and then ultimately with our erdafitinib device as well. So the launch of INLEXZO is going really well in the U.S. We have got the J code now. And so I think that's probably what you're interested in hearing how it's going post J code. In the U.S., INLEXZO is outperforming all of the recent competitive launches. And as you noted, 1 in 3 eligible patients are now starting on annex regimen. And this is an uptick versus first quarter where it was 1 in 4 last quarter. It's now 1 in 3, and it's leading all of the novel agents in terms of new patient share.
In terms of new patients and new patient insertions, those grew 75% quarter-over-quarter, and this was post the permanent J-code, so giving a lot of confidence to providers in terms of that reimbursement. Importantly, INLEXZO included in the NCCN guidelines, category 2A designation and they've been updated to expand the opportunity to include the capillary population, which represents about 80% of the BCG unresponsive patients. While we don't report sales on this yet, please know that we confidently beat consensus for the quarter, and we more than doubled sales in second quarter versus first quarter. So we believe that we're really on a very, very good track.
With this, you mentioned, I'll turn it to John in a second. We do have our Sunrise program right now and INLEXZO is based on the SUNRISE 1 population and BCG unresponsive patients that's about 3,000 patients in the U.S. Sunrise 5 is the BCG experienced patients, largely iris papillary, that's about 10,000 to 15,000 patients. And then the big opportunity is the Sunrise 3 population, that's the BCG naive. That's about 40,000 to 50,000 patients in the U.S. So that's our program, and that's before we even get to the erdafitinib piece. So John?
Yes. And I think Jennifer covered the Sunrise program well recognized that the approval in this so-called or carcinoma in situ population that's only about 5% of the eligible population. So we really see a lot of growth potential ahead as we round out to the papillary cancers and then move from the second line BCG experienced into the front line with our ambitious head-to-head program. I would just remind again that INLEXZO delivered the highest complete response rates that had ever been seen in this population, the second line B nonresponsive population with high-risk muscle, non-muscle invasive bladder cancer. So really a lot of excitement around it. And right on the heels of that is coming our erdafitinib targeted therapy in a novel device that offers not 3 weeks like in like with 3 months of sustained delivery of the medicine that's being positioned for the intermediate risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer, which is a very large population and is targeted at the FGF receptor mutant cancers, which is the most common genetic lesion in bladder cancer. So really excited about where the portfolio is going in the near term. And then beyond that, we expect to have other payloads and other devices that we'll continue to elevate the standard care for patients struggling with bladder cancer to keep their bladder. So very excited for that 1 million patients a year that are diagnosed with non-muscle invasive bladder cancer.
Our next question today is coming from Alex Hammond from Wolfe Research.
A few on milvexian. So can you remind us of your confidence level in AFib. I guess given the size and breadth of the Lubraxae program, it seems like there's potentially a wide set of outcomes between a clean win and miss. And is the trial still on track for later this year? I do not see it on the slide deck.
Yes. Okay. Sorry, I misunderstood part of the question, but on milvexian, this is -- these are event-driven studies. They're fully recruited. So we really can't give you very much insight into when they might read out. It could be towards the end of this year, beginning of next year, but because they're event-driven, we'll just have to wait for the events we remain confident that for the atrial fibrillation indication which is the largest of those opportunities that we have the right dosing schedule based on the careful work done in Phase II based on the biomarker we're following the TPP that gives us confidence that we've achieved a healthy level of anticoagulation. Our data monitoring committee continues to look at the data, they keep saying, go full steam ahead. So we're cautiously optimistic but are waiting for the endpoints to the events to occur so that we can read out the full study results.
Alex, we're really excited about the milvexian opportunity. We think there is significant opportunity in the market for a product that's got the better bleeding profile than the current anticoagulants that are out there today. So maybe as a reminder, about 40% of Afib patients who are eligible are currently not receiving oral anticoagulants as they should or at the right level there's concerns about potential bleeding. And so we think that a product that represents the potential of the milvexian profile, what we're hoping to demonstrate really could be a game changer for patients significant opportunity in the market. So we're really excited to see the results of the study when they come. And as John noted, it's event-driven study. So we're going to have to wait and see what they are. But once we know, you guys will know too, right, the right time, you'll know.
Yes, maybe feeling quickly on that. It's estimated that there are 8 million people in this country alone who are taking an oral anticoagulant, but it's thought that there may be as many as 18 who should be taking -- 18 million who should be taking one but because of the bleeding risk of the current agents are enabled. So we're really excited about the possibility to offer this, both the efficacy, along with the safety profile of milvexian promises.
In reaction to the data presented at ACC, I'm still just a little unclear as to what you're doing to reverse the 2Q softness outside of just waiting for PROTECT 4. And I think prior view was this was a mid-teens grower. What is the new growth expectation for the Abiomed business?
Jason, thank you. And you're right, we believe that the slowdown is in relation to specifically a neutral study published out of the U.K. focused on the area of high-risk PCI. And I think it's important, firstly, really reinforce that the impact is behavioral. It's really driven by physician caution as they really interpret this new data rather than anything structural? And there's no change in the underlying need, access or reimbursement. These are the sickest patients, many of whom have very few choices.
And so we clearly see this as a near-term dynamic. We've seen this before. And we are actively engaging with physicians and their teams to really reinforce appropriate patient selection, leveraging both our capabilities, but most importantly, the depth of our clinical evidence base. And I think it's important to put this in context and recognize that area of heart pumps is a category that Abiomed pioneered. And we are the only player today, and it remains a relatively evolving area of medicine. And with an emerging field, you know that scientific perspectives will continue to evolve and why we remain committed to really investing in robust clinical research, including the study you just referenced, which is PROTECT 4, which is a highly powered study, almost 1,300 patients focused specifically on high-risk PCI, which we expect to read out in 2027. I do think it's also worth mentioning that Impella has supported more than 400,000 patients and appears in almost 2,600 peer review publications and also, I think specific to the study in the U.K., which covered only 300 patients, we have studied more than 40,000 high-risk PCI patients and that evidence base with our 2 decades of clinical experience continue to support the role of Impella in appropriately selected patients. So we remain very confident in the long-term potential role of Impella supported by the significant runway for growth, no current commercialized competitors, which is a key point, opportunities for further geographic expansion and the large and growing global burden of heart disease.
To your question around recovery, as already mentioned by Joe, we do expect this to take some time, but we absolutely expect that our performance in the back half will be stronger than the first. And we see gradual improvements in performance back to double-digit growth over the coming quarters.
Thank you, team. It's also important this into context, recovery is 1 of 28 platforms of more than $1 billion that we have within Johnson & Johnson. And while we see this situation that Tim described as temporary and fully addressable have to be clear, it does not affect in any shape or fashion our growth trajectory, as we have described. So as I said at the beginning, we see the second half of the year stronger that momentum carry into 2027, and we see -- we continue to see double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
Thank you, Jason. We have time for one last question.
Our final question today is coming from Mike Nedelcovych from TD Cowen.
My question is on TREMFYA. In GI, TREMFYA seems to have an edge over SKYRIZI yet SKYRIZI is holding its own. So my question is to what do you attribute SKYRIZI's ability to hold share?
Thanks so much for the question. I'm thrilled to have the opportunity to talk about TREMFYA. So TREMFYA sales for the quarter were $2 billion, our first $2 billion quarter and over 70% growth which we're really proud of. I mentioned before that we continue to see growth and share gains in psoriatic disease. But I've got to tell you, the major driver here is really our performance in ulcerative colitis and in Crohn's disease. And so if you take a look at new patient starts or induction share in both ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease, we currently are the share leader in both. So for example, in ulcerative colitis, 58% share of induction share for the IL-23s, that includes the other competitive IL-23s.
For Crohn's disease, we've got over 50% share of those inductions. So again, market leadership. So physicians are really seeing the profile as differentiated for versus the other competitive set. I'll say that is even further scored by the new data that we just released our Fusion data that was presented at DDW, which is the first study in over 20 years and adults with active perianal fistulizing Crohn's. This is one of the most severe and understored forms of IBD. And TREMFYA is the only IL-23 to demonstrate efficacy in this setting, and that affects about 1/4 of patients and so really underscores very, very strong effectiveness in this agent is the only dual-acting IL-2 inhibitor. So we're seeing very, very strong physician receptivity uptake. We're seeing leadership in new patient starts and believe that we have got an awful lot of growth ahead for TREMFYA and IBD. And as a reminder, back when we had really STELARA here over 7 of STELARA sales were actually in IBD. There is absolutely no reason why TREMFYA can't do that or even more.
We're also hearing more and more about how the subcu induction that we can offer is really a great traction for the patients and for the health care providers. They don't have to get 2 different prior authorizations, for example, and our subcu presentation is a simple at-home auto-injector a pen, so very convenient for the patients to get started.
Thank you, Mike, and thanks to everyone for your questions and continued interest in our company. I will now turn the call over to Joaquin for some brief closing remarks.
Thank you for joining us. Johnson & Johnson today is a medical innovation powerhouse uniquely positioned to translate breakthrough science into consistent long-term growth. When I look at our top line growth, the momentum that we are going to carry into the second half of the year into 2027, our ambition to have double-digit growth by the end of the decade, the operating leverage that sustained top line growth is going to create. I see Johnson & Johnson when I consider those factors as one of the most compelling and transparent growth stories in health care today. You will hear more about that in our enterprise which we'll review later in the year. Thank you for your continued interest in Johnson & Johnson and enjoy the rest of your day. .
Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson & Johnson Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. You may now disconnect.
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Johnson & Johnson — Q2 2026 Earnings Call
J&J lieferte ein starkes Q2 mit Umsatz-Beat, erhöhter Jahres-Guidance und kräftigem Momentum bei Onkologie und Immunologie, während MedTech kurzfristig gedämpft war.
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: $25,3 Mrd. (+5,6% operativ; ~460 Basispunkte Headwind durch STELARA)
- Adj. EPS: $2,90 (+4,7% YoY); GAAP EPS: $2,27
- Innovative Medicine: $16,4 Mrd. (+6,8% operativ; ~760 bps Headwind durch STELARA)
- MedTech: $8,9 Mrd. (+3,6% operativ; China-Inventarproblem ~400 bps in EP)
- Cash/FCF: Kasse ~$21 Mrd.; YTD Free Cash Flow $8,7 Mrd., auf Kurs für ~ $21 Mrd. Full‑Year
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Onkologie-Fokus: Ziel, bis 2030 führender Onkologie-Anbieter zu sein; Pipeline/Portfolio mit >28 Produkten >$1 Mrd.
- Launch-Execution: Neue Produkte (ICOTYDE, INLEXZO, RYBREVANT, TECVAYLI) treiben Wachstum; ICOTYDE: ~11.000 Patienten, ~6.000 Prescriber, >50% kommerz. Abdeckung.
- MedTech-Innovation: Robotik (OTTAVA), neue Ablations-/Imaging-Systeme und Produkte wie Shockwave C2 AERO; strategische Akquisitionen (Firefly Bio) zur Stärkung der Onkologieplattformen.
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Operative Umsatzprognose: 6,5%–7,1% (Mid $100,6 Mrd.; 53. Woche ~100 bps Benefit)
- Berichtet: 7,0%–7,6% (Mid $101,1 Mrd.; Währungsnegativ ~$100 Mio.)
- Adj. EPS: $11,50–$11,65 (Mid +$0,18); Berichtetes EPS: $11,60–$11,75
- Margen & Kosten: Erwartetes Vorsteuer-Operativmargen-Verbesserung ~75 bps; Net Interest $250–300 Mio.; effektiver Steuersatz 17–18%
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Launch-Detailfragen: Analysten wollten mehr zu ICOTYDE/INLEXZO (Prescriber-Mix, Sampling, Erstattungsstand). Management lieferte konkrete Nutzerzahlen und >50% kommerzielle Deckung, erklärte Positionierung gegenüber TREMFYA.
- MedTech-Risiken: Diskussion zu Abiomed/Impella nach neutraler Studie: Usage‑Rückgang in US, China‑Inventar belastet EP. Management sieht das als verhaltensgetriebene, temporäre Wirkung; PROTECT‑4 (längeres, größeres Trial) readout 2027.
- Pipeline-Timing: Milvexian (antikoag.) und weitere Studien sind ereignisgetrieben; Management nannte keine feste Readout‑Datum, nur optimistische Erwartung je nach Ereignissen.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Für Aktionäre: Operatives Beats und Upside‑Guidance stützen Kurzfristigerwartungen; Wachstumstreiber sind starke Onkologie‑/Immunologie‑Launches und hohe FCF‑Erwartung. MedTech zeigt kurzfristige Volatilität (Abiomed, China), bleibt aber strategisch intakt; Aktie bleibt growth‑getrieben mit stabiler Kapitalrückgabe.
Johnson & Johnson — Goldman Sachs 47th Annual Global Healthcare Conference 2026
1. Question Answer
All right. We are just about time, so we can get started with our next session. My name is Asad Haider. I'm the Co-Head of the Healthcare business unit here at Goldman Sachs and the U.S. pharma analyst. I'm very excited to be joined by Tom Cavanaugh, Group Company Chairman of North American Innovative Medicine over at J&J. Tom, thank you for being with us.
Thank you. Thanks for having me again.
Say again. So just maybe just to kick off, very exciting times for J&J. You have multiple new products sprouting across the Innovative Medicines business. Joaquin made some comments last week saying again that The Street is continuing to underappreciate a number of these new products, both on the immunology side as well as in oncology.
So before we start to unpack some of the specific products on which I have a number of questions I'm going to hit you with, maybe just make some high-level comments on what you've been most excited about.
Absolutely. Look, first and foremost, as we said last year and over the last year, STELARA was a thing of the past. We're going to grow through the loss of exclusivity of STELARA, something that many companies have not been able to do, their biggest asset and really look at that 5% to 7% compound annual growth rate over the next 5 years.
And we're well on track to really go for that upper end of that, I would say. Just looking at our Q1 results, we delivered $15.4 billion. It's our fourth quarter in a row, delivering over $15 billion. We had 7% growth. In the U.S., we had roughly 10% growth, and exclude STELARA, 17% growth operationally and in the U.S., 22%.
So we're really excited about the momentum that we have coming into 2026. It was described as last year as a catapult year, but this year, we said '26 is going to be better than '25 and '27 is going to be better than '26. And we're well on the way to do just that. I think, first and foremost, we had 10 products over double-digit growth in Q1. And some exciting product launches, which I know we'll get into.
So I'll maybe leave it to you to ask some questions, and we can go from there.
Well, let's go right into some of the exciting product launches. Starting with TREMFYA, it grew 64% in Q1 with leadership in new patient starts in IBD. We look at weekly scripts, the momentum seems to be continuing. So just give us an update on what you're seeing broadly speaking in terms of overall market dynamics and really where the share gains are coming from.
Yes, yes. So first and foremost, with TREMFYA. It's the only dual-acting IL-23. So it hits CD64 and IL-23. CD64 is the source of inflammation. Why I say it's very important. We like to say tissue is the issue. If you can penetrate that tissue and hit at that target, you're going to see differentiated results, and we are seeing that.
But if we just take a step back and we just think about IBD, we're just in the early phases of that launch. In IBD, the IL-23 class is the fastest-growing class in IBD, both in UC and CD. And I would say barely penetrated. So it's about 20% to 25% penetration.
So significant opportunity ahead of us in IBD and in psoriatic diseases, whether it be psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis, a little bit more penetration, but still the fastest-growing class. In IBD, we're the fastest-growing product in IBD. We are now the -- what we call the induction share leader in IBD with TREMFYA.
And we're just about a year into launch, full launch with both CD and UC. And I can tell you the excitement is really profound, and the team is executing across all measures. But I would say we're seeing the differentiation from our customers and from the uptake. A lot of it that we talked about in the highlight, a little bit of the molecular structure showing that results. It's the only with subcutaneous induction, both in UC and CD.
Highest endoscopic remissions in UC. And then just recently coming out of DDW, we're really excited about this new data with the FUZION trial. It's basically perianal fistulizing Crohn's disease, represents around 25% of the population. And it's a population that really is not getting treated by IL-23.
It's typically being treated by REMICADE because REMICADE is the only product 20 years ago that was demonstrated success in this population. So this is the first time product TREMFYA has shown to differentiate in this population, similar to the way REMICADE did, which we're quite familiar with. So we're really excited about that opportunity.
It really can untap there. It also leads to the differentiation why we're so excited and feel confident we're going to be over $10 billion. And the last thing I would just say is, as we think about psoriatic diseases, we'll get to it, I'm sure, with ICOTYDE, but I said tides rise, and we're seeing significant growth also now in acceleration in psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis.
And a lot of it is off the APEX data showing that TREMFYA is the only IL-23 that shows inhibit structural damage that 30% of the population in psoriasis that have underlying joint disease.
Before we get into ICOTYDE because that is my next question, maybe just -- you talked about the subcu. AbbVie is going to be on the market at some point in the next several months with the subcu version. Just how do you think sort of from a competitive dynamic perspective, things could change there?
Yes. I think we need to understand both in UC and CD, if there's any differences there with dose and efficacy and, I would say, longer-term results. But look, they're a formidable competitor. We feel very confident. We have broad access. We have significant momentum. We have a molecular differentiated product, and we're here to compete to win for patients.
Fantastic. All right. Well, let's go right to the ICOTYDE launch. This is obviously something that's very much in focus. It's probably one of your most in focused new launches. And on the mid-April earnings call, you provided some really helpful early metrics on the launch.
I think you said 1,500 patients with prescriptions have been written, over 1,000 unique prescribers shortly after the approval. So I guess any updated thoughts on how the launch is tracking? It seems like IQVIA may not be capturing all the channels right now. So any new metrics to share in terms of how things are going would be helpful.
I would say some of the new metrics we're going to have to wait for the earnings call to release those. But I will share with you some qualitative and some early insights that we have in the launch. I think it's important because I do think we are, one, incredibly excited about the launch of ICOTYDE.
You heard from the earnings call, some of the early indicators. I can tell you we have roughly 4,500 prescribers now. And the data that you quoted is our hub services. So we have a fully dedicated hub services that we're able to get this information in. And quite honestly, if the patient has commercial insurance, some sort of commercial insurance is diagnosed with it and is of age, they can get the product in 24 hours.
So they can get it through our hub services and there's samples obviously available as well. I bring this up because ease of access is very important, and that's where they're getting the trial and able to understand is this product what's right for them. And it is really the sweet spot.
ICOTYDE, and we're hearing it from our customers. I've been able to engage with many of the providers at either AAD or a conference, CCD that was done in Florida just recently. And the insights, what we're hearing, intent to prescribe and awareness in just 2 months has jumped 20 points.
So you're seeing intent to prescribe and unaided awareness similar to what you see with current market products. We're fully focused from a commercial perspective, obviously, from a sales and marketing perspective. That's without even a DTC campaign. So there's still huge opportunities ahead of us once we engage the patient and create awareness there.
The provider base is typically, what we're seeing is some of those that are treating in the earlier diseases. First-line systemic is where it's beautifully positioned, but advanced practitioner providers, some primary care. And I would say, obviously, dermatologists. And a lot of that is because, one, there's the ease of access, complete skin clearance. Safety is fundamental when they're looking to switch from, say, a topical to a systemic treatment. Placebo-like AEs. And then last but not least, that became quite exciting for many of the providers, no mandatory TB testing.
When does the DTC campaign stop?
Soon.
Okay. And what can you tell us about the patient profile? I mean, treatment naive versus existing oral TYK2s? Is there any sort of impact on the current injectable biologics? Like where are the patients coming from?
Yes. I would say roughly, I would say, 60-40. 60%, predominantly what we call systemic naive and about 25% of that sourcing probably from -- 25% sourcing from the Orals.
And I guess how should we think about ICOTYDE's opportunity in IBD in the context of rapidly involving market combinations, emerging orals, Abivax, et cetera? Like how are you thinking about that?
Yes. So we're obviously aggressively looking to accrue the trials in both UC and Crohn's disease. Coming off of our Phase II data, we feel very confident about the target, the product as well as the dose that we're going to be delivering and see truly being a unique opportunity for us, the first really targeted oral therapy that has the trifecta efficacy, safety and convenience that I do believe is going to hit an untapped marketplace right now for those that are moderate to severe that may not be receiving treatment or subtherapeutic treatment, again, similar to psoriasis is an opportunity.
And in future, there's definitely combinations. I mean we are the first ones to look at combinations in IBD with 4804. I'm sure you probably have some questions around that. But I'd say that absolutely in select populations, the ultimate goal here is remission. And that is truly what we need to do in IBD is really get to the highest levels of remission.
And most of that will be in combinations in the future. ICOTYDE is a wonderful product to be able to combine with because of everything I just said.
And I guess when you make the statement and Joaquin made the statement that this could be one of your biggest drugs ever, any high-level quantitative framing on either the math on how to get there? Or is that purely based on PsO and PsA? Does it require additional indication expansion into the IBD indications?
Yes. I think our current development plan will get us there. And a lot of it is kind of I alluded to, if you think about a population, let's take psoriasis, you have roughly 3 million to 5 million patients suffering from moderate to severe psoriasis.
75% of them are cycling through therapies or not on advanced systemic treatment, 25% are. So if you just think about the total size of the marketplace, that 25% is the ones that we're competing in today with TREMFYA and the likes. This true untapped marketplace is that first-line systemic treatment. So that just opens up a large opportunity. And you take that same mentality or approach in IBD.
In IBD, they're a little bit more aggressive. They are really trying to treat and really hit that underlying disease. But I do think the systemic treatment of an IL-23 such as ICOTYDE truly will unlock that opportunity. So sky is the limit.
And when can we expect to see the data for ICOTYDE head-to-head versus STELARA.
It should be getting the data in this year and then reading out at an upcoming congress.
Okay. Let's move to 4804. You set me up for that. So you had the results of these recently presented DUET trials. I guess they fell short in the overall treatment population, but there was a pronounced effect in the subpopulation of highly refractory patients who cycled through treatment.
So how should we be thinking about this program and the size of the opportunity in the context of -- I think Joaquin framed this as a third blockbuster in your immunology stack on top of the dual powerhouse of TREMFYA and ICOTYDE. So maybe just with that framing, talk to us about this program.
Yes, absolutely. We're very excited about 4804, really co-antibody targeted both IL-23 and TNF. And you mentioned the data, like it's really important to do this trial so that we can understand the data in the population by which it is the most effective. And this is what we found. I think if you think about it, the population, let's call it refractory IBD -- this is a patient population that roughly at this time, there's roughly 20% of the patients have seen 2 lines of therapy already, if you just take the market today.
So right there, it's close to 1 million patients of an opportunity. If you think about a truly high unmet need where they really need to have high endoscopic remissions or high response rates, that's patient population, high unmet need and then the data supports really that market opportunity.
And that allows us also as we think about the marketplace. Typically, eventually, longer term, I do believe it's going to be like oncology, use the best first and get the highest remission. But in these chronic diseases, I do think you're going to start with a product, see if that product works, they're going to cycle through it.
And if they're not getting the treatment they want, they might move on to another one and then probably go more aggressive. And that's where a lot of the KOLs are doing it. Sometimes, I would say, off-label. They're looking at combination therapies already in the clinic. I think that's where 4804 is beautifully positioned, looking at as co-antibody therapy in that line 2 plus in a heavily refractory population. I do think that value recognition will be there globally as well.
So let's unpack that a little bit first, just in terms of just the long-term coexistence of this compound with TREMFYA and ICOTYDE, where does this live?
Yes. I think if you just think kind of how I describe like the patient journey, patients diagnosed with IBD, CD or UC, they're coming in, they're probably going to get depending on what -- when they get diagnosed, it could be ICOTYDE, it could be TREMFYA. If they're not getting the results they need, they might cycle to another alternative mechanism of action. And then maybe then -- or not maybe that is beautifully positioned than where 4804 will be.
Let's, Tom, talk about nipocalimab. That's another potential new product cycle that we certainly are very excited about. You've had the launch in gMG. You had a priority review in wAIHA. You recently presented very good data in lupus, numerous readouts in 2027.
So help us frame the opportunity for this compound unfolding and from which indications you see the largest contributions.
Yes. I think ICOTYDE, as we've highlighted before, we do believe it to be molecularly different. We do have the fastest and the deepest IgG, IgA reduction. And why I bring that up is that's why I do think it's translating into many of these other diseases that we're looking at, whether it be, as you just highlighted, warm hemolytic anemia, Sjogren's disease, Lupus, gMG, and then if you look at maternal fetal, highly differentiated -- especially from a safety perspective. So if you think about gMG, we're well on the way to launch. We just received full J-code at the beginning of the year.
We're seeing definitely uptake, the fastest-growing biologic in gMG. So we're well on the way there. wAIHA is a unique opportunity. Nothing has been proven or approved in that population. It's roughly 7,000 patients in the U.S. It's a highly unique population, and we're quite excited about the priority review and the recognition from the agency on just the high unmet medical need also shows differentiation.
I do believe really some of these rheum diseases where it's going to really unlock the potential and why we do believe it's a $5 billion-plus asset. If you think about lupus, lupus, roughly 500,000 patients in the U.S., really nothing is available there. It could be the first FcRn antibody to show -- demonstrate an effect in lupus and the data
that you just saw at EULAR is pretty amazing. You take that as an opportunity. We have -- I believe we have Fast Track designation for lupus. We did look at Sjogren's disease as well, the most prevalent. And if you think about that, that's breakthrough therapy designation that we have already. So the excitement is there.
We do believe the data will play out, that just on tops a huge opportunity for us as we think about just in those diseases. Highly prevalent diseases of women of child. That's why I brought up the female or the, I would say, maternal fetal approaches that we have in HDFN and it just truly differentiates the product and the safety side of things as well as the efficacy across the other indications.
Okay. Terrific. Looking forward to seeing that program progress. I want to move to oncology. But before we do that, I just want to take a pause and see if there are any questions on the immunology side.
All right. Let's keep moving. So oncology. I guess, first, just starting with RYBREVANT, Joaquin called this out is one of the products that still remains underappreciated. You had some good data at ASCO recently. Consensus numbers still have this regimen, RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE doing about $4.4 billion in 2030, peaking at about [$5 billion] and change. So where do you see the disconnect there?
Yes. I think a couple of things. I think, first, if we just think about lung cancer, we're still in the early phases of the launch. And in the U.S., I mean, we're literally -- we received approval for FASPRO, our subcutaneous formulation at the end of last year.
So we should receive permanent J-code July 1. So if you think through that from a reimbursement perspective, -- and as well as we've come to understand and have the data now to support and ASCO was part of that is really looking at the long-term survival that we see in Exon 20, really differentiating RYBREVANT in a population that's undertreated and really there's not much for those patients. And then in a common EGFR, we're looking at significant uptake in share growth that we're seeing already globally and then in the U.S. as well. 1 in 4 patients are seeing a RYBREVANT/LAZCLUZE in that setting.
So really now, we're anticipating the 5-year survival next year. That will be differentiated as well, we do believe to support where we're seeing it. But also the absolute necessity of using RYBREVANT. I think that is actually coming across with our provider base, especially, and I'll get to it some of these follow-on indications, really looking at changing the underlying biology of the disease.
And that is something that I think is differentiated. We can't just say use chemo or not. It's RYBREVANT should be essential for the treatment of EGFR non-small cell lung cancer. And it's in combination with LAZCLUZE in the frontline setting because you have to use your most effective and really look at change the course of the disease.
And that's when you can look at it as a RYBREVANT /LAZCLUZE combination in that frontline setting. Now I bring up just recently, we presented the data for head and neck and have submitted already and received priority review from the agency for L 2+ for head and neck cancer. I'll tell you the feedback that we have from the providers, especially, I mean, they have not seen anything like this as a single agent showing a 42% response rate, 1/3 of them being complete remission.
So I do believe -- and if you talk to some of them, they see the tumor essentially melts very quickly. So highly effective in head and neck as well as in colorectal cancer, 2 high unmet medical needs from an oncology perspective and cancer perspective. And then we have already started and are well underway to the frontline trials on both of those and are aggressively pursuing those and accruing to those. So I do believe the totality of all that combined, $5 billion plus easily.
Okay. Let's maybe talk about ERLEADA. That had another very promising plenary session at ASCO, the discussion call, the data practice changing. Congratulations on another successful trial there. So I guess what does this mean in terms of the revenue opportunity for ERLEADA? Like -- and how do you see the ramp from here? How can J&J make the most of the opportunity given the composition of [indiscernible] 2030?
Yes. So a couple of things. I think, first and foremost, we'll take the PROTEUS data that you're highlighting aside currently with ERLEADA, we're showing double-digit growth already. And some of it is based on most recent real-world data that we have, showing that ERLEADA, either combined to the other ARPI showing overall survival, irrespective of which ARPI that you're comparing to.
And I do think that is really resonating in the community and with the practitioners saying, all right, this is different, and I need to use ERLEADA. So we're seeing an uptake there in the current indications.
Then you now have PROTEUS, which was in high-risk localized disease, those are looking to intending to receive radical prostatectomy. So before and after surgery. And this is where it's shown. It was a plenary session highlighted at ASCO, the #1 abstract. And they do believe there will be practice changes. The first time in an earlier line setting, if you use ERLEADA 12 months before surgery and then 12 months after, you're showing a magnitude of effect of a 20% risk reduction, which has not been shown to date.
I do believe that will have a halo approach across the brand overall. But also really change practice, and that's what -- why we do these studies. And it was -- a lot of the feedback, it was a bell on the ball. It was great to see. It was a long time coming, and we're quite excited that we're able to demonstrate that. I don't allude to loss of exclusivity assumptions, but we do foresee there's still a lot of runway left with ERLEADA.
Okay. Let's move to INLEXZO. This is another product that is getting a lot of attention. It's a very in-focused product launch in oncology. It was highlighted on the sell-side call that was done last week. I'm not going to press you on quantitative metrics because I know the answer to that.
But qualitatively, give us some sense of how the trajectory is going on the back of the April 1 J-code. You provided some metrics on the first quarter call. But just high level, how are things progressing in terms of the overall launch and the feedback?
Yes, very nicely. Just to remind everybody, launched INLEXZO, it truly is transformative. 82% complete remission rates. Half of those patients still out after a year on therapy in a very high-risk population, fairly niche population, non-muscle -- high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer with carcinoma in situ.
It's roughly 3,000 patients in the U.S. So if you just think about it, that smaller niche introducing to the marketplace and the receptivity has been pretty profound. The intent to prescribe, unaided awareness, highest ever in bladder cancer. The other thing I would say is there was -- I would say, especially with the urology provider base, they're waiting for the J-code, a lot of them were.
Post J-code, you saw a 50% increase in providers utilizing it. It's almost like a 90% increase in insertions. So there is a little bit of a wait for it. And there's -- it's still a smaller niche population. We just recently received NCCN guidelines, Category 2A for papillary disease.
Papillary disease, just to remind you, we have a robust program for INLEXZO, and we can get to Erda-iDRS, which is our Erdafitinib Intravesical drug release system. But with INLEXZO, you have SR-5, which is the papillary SunRISe-5 trial, which is the papillary, so BCG exposed, roughly 15,000 patients in that population, so much greater opportunity there.
That's that NCCN guideline. So that will be spontaneous until we get the approval for SunRISe-5 or the data readout. Then you have SunRISe-3, which is a much broader population. This is the first time anybody has ever gone head-to-head against BCG in bladder cancer. And this is a population around 40,000 to 50,000. So those are 2 step change.
I think there is a disconnect with The Street with regards to the greater opportunity for INLEXZO being $5 billion plus. And then you add in Erda-iDRS, which is Erdafitinib in this drug release system. And that is looking at it in non-muscle invasive bladder cancer for intermediate risk with the FGFR expression.
So roughly 70% of the population has FGFR. So targeted using FGFR. So I can say -- I can tell you there's significant opportunities ahead there and co-positioned quite nicely that the totality of that is going to be well above $5 billion plus.
So I guess it sounds like, Tom, as we think about how quickly this product can scale, these additional population expansions from the SunRISe trials that you mentioned, but also the MoonRISe trials, maybe give us a quick update on that.
Yes. So they're fully accrued, and we're just awaiting the results on 2 of them, I think. But I do believe that's the intermediate risk population, 2 of them, different types of intermediate risk and then one that goes a little bit over into the high-risk population, but targeted to FGFR alterations. So that's where you'll see the differentiation. So Erda-iDRS is also every 3 months. So it's 4 times a year. So a little less frequent insertions.
Okay. All right. Let's talk about TECVAYLI. You had some data at ASCO, just showing continued support to use as early second line. Maybe just zooming out from a big picture perspective, can you just frame how J&J is thinking about the broader treatment paradigm in multiple myeloma and specifically the coexistence of your BCMA targeting agents, CARVYKTI and TECVAYLI?
Yes. I think we remain committed to search for the cure. And our development program, our investment will always be put around that. And I do think the patients will ultimately win with regards to that. I think first and foremost is what you're seeing and even with the TECVAYLI data, DARZALEX is absolutely the foundational treatment and backbone therapy throughout the continuum from the very beginning all the way through the end.
It's one of the best combination immunotherapies on the marketplace in multiple myeloma. And what you saw in the combination with TECVAYLI, truly unprecedented results. I mean I've been in myeloma for quite some time. I've never seen anything with a hazard ratio of 0.17 and the flatlining of the Kaplan-Meier curve.
And that's what we're hearing back from the feedback from our providers. What I also said is that data is in earlier lines of BCMA absolutely need to bring BCMA earlier in the treatment, whether it be CARVYKTI or TECVAYLI. And that is the mindset. Right now, where the setting is Line 2 is available. So you do the quad in line 1, you might have transplant or non-transplant. And then if they're progressing, then either based on patient preference, site of care, availability, things like that, you either go to a CARVYKTI or TECVAYLI-dara.
And that sometimes becomes that, I would say, that shared decision-making with the patient and the provider. But right in and there, you have 2 incredible choices. And then post that, you'll see at EHA, we have the TALVEY data that will be presented at the plenary session at EHA.
So that's TALVEY in combination with Daratumumab, DARZALEX. So that allows us then you have that position to bring in BCMA upfront, hit the best immunotherapy. If once they progress or if they progress, then you can go on to additional therapies. And that's our whole commitment. In each line of therapy, we want to be along the step of the way.
What about your trispecific program? Maybe give us an update on how that's going and then also your involvement in in vivo CAR-T for the topic.
Yes, yes. So trispecific, Ramantamig, we're very excited about, different molecule, engineered by our scientists. I'll tell you, it's one of the benefits of being in myeloma so long with the team. We have the insights, we have the science, we have the expertise and the external engagement to help shape this.
We -- you guys have followed up us as well. You know all along, step-up dosing, which required for co-administration with either TECVAYLI or TALVEY needs some education and I would say, practice. What we understood also from a community to get expanded and really get the patient population, how do you make a community-friendly targeted treatment that can be administered in the community by the community with less AEs.
And that's what we did when we engineered, Ramantamig. And also, as we think about either antigen expression or release, the availability of having this trispecific targeting both GPRC5D and BCMA could prevent even further relapses and really looking at that curative intent. It's a different CD3 binder also so CRS is looking a little different as well as the GPRC toxicities. We're
being able to dial those down. So really taking it and saying, all right, we've built very incredible combinations, but how do we improve it even more so. And that's the ability that we're able to do with Ramantamig. So we're going to be looking aggressively in Line 2+ and Erdafitinib in the front line as well.
So obviously, in vivo CAR-Ts, were already have some programs in-house, and we have a partner products with [indiscernible] but we haven't disclosed any of the targets. So I'll just leave it at that. But we're quite excited about following that science as well. And we're looking across all modalities anywhere we can look for cure in cancer to become the #1 oncology company.
Okay. Looking forward to that. I'm going to take another pause there. Any questions on oncology before we pivot? Okay. Tom, let's pivot to Milvexian that's -- you've got this AF trial coming up from the LIBREXIA program at the end of the year. You guys are running that trial along with your partners, Bristol Myers.
So just maybe give us your latest update and framing of your level of confidence on the success of that trial? And is it still expected at the end of the year, I believe.
It's an event-driven time, but we're anticipating around that time. It could be before or after, but it's on an event-driven time line. But I would tell you, we're very excited. And we do believe Milvexian will be another $5 billion-plus asset for us and working with our partner, BMS on this one.
I do believe there's a significant unmet need still and you think about claudication being not treated or undertreated. So I do believe AFib, obviously, a significant opportunity ahead of us. We do believe the molecule and the dose we got right. We had modeled it appropriately. We've taken the data from the Phase II and really helped us inform on Phase III is where we feel confident.
Really looking at similar efficacy to, say, an Eliquis or Apixaban, but superior safety profile. And if you can reduce the risk of bleeding, we do believe that's going to untap a significant opportunity, both in AFib and obviously secondary stroke, which actually from a proof of concept have already been established.
What -- on the bleeding side, what's the expected magnitude of bleeding superiority that you think would be needed to drive a meaningful displacement of Eliquis?
I think from the research that we have from our providers, 30% to 40% risk reduction is absolutely significant.
And how should we think about addressable sub-populations, elderly, renal, et cetera?
Yes. I think because -- when we get the data, we're going to need to identify that and see if there's enrichment strategies or subpopulations that might benefit versus others.
Okay. And then maybe just on launch and access and pricing, anything you can share in terms of just color on how you're thinking about those metrics, the commercial opportunity really in the world of generic Apixaban?
Yes. So I'd say, obviously, we're going to be working in close partnership with BMS. We won't disclose our strategies. But I would tell you, if you think about both ourselves, Xarelto as well as our partner, Eliquis, when those products came into the marketplace, you were dealing with generic warfarin. And we found a significant unmet need, and we're able to identify the value and ensure access and success.
Okay. Terrific. Let's move to neuroscience. This is an area that Joaquin has talked about an ambition to be #1 in that segment. Do you feel that J&J is positioned to achieve that with the current portfolio?
Absolutely. I think what helped us reinforce that was the acquisition for CAPLYTA, intracellular. And I do think it's not only for CAPLYTA, actually intracellular in totality. I think CAPLYTA, obviously, we're well underway of the biggest indication for adjunctive major depressive disorder.
We're seeing significant uptake already. New-to-brand shares surpassed REXULTI. We're well on the way to look to become the #1 typical antipsychotic for branded. We just recently have data 2 studies, network meta-analysis that shows CAPLYTA is the most effective treatment across all branded atypical antipsychotics. So you have CAPLYTA, the momentum that we have there. We also got 1284 through the acquisition, we're looking at general anxiety disorder as well as agitation with dementia.
1284.
It's another compound. It's a deuterated CAPLYTA essentially. It's unique. And then coming back to our current portfolio, SPRAVATO, we're seeing significant growth, over 45% growth, still very little penetration in treatment-resistant depression, significant unmet need, open up treatment centers and having utilization productivity in treatment centers.
So we still see significant runway with SPRAVATO, our INVEGA baseline business as well as what I would say Seltorexant that we are looking to have readout this year, looking at major depressive disorder with those with underlying insomnia. So I think in totality of that, we are and will be the #1 neuropsychiatry company. And then we're going to continue to look as we think about neurodegeneration. Obviously, we have [indiscernible] but we'll continue to look there in other spaces.
On the Exon 2 agonist that you mentioned, that you said it's going to have Phase III data later this year, I believe. What level set us on what we should be looking for there?
Positive trial.
Any -- what would define the positive?
Significant improvement in MADRS, of course. And then some of the endpoints that we're looking at with regards to insomnia.
Questions? Maybe just in the last couple of minutes, Tom, we've covered a lot across the enterprise, across your portfolio. Like what haven't we talked about? Anything else you want us to be double-clicking on?
Yes. I think a couple I would say, you touched on ERLEADA, but I would say our prostate cancer pipeline, we just recently did the acquisition of Halda at the end of last year with RIPTAC. We have a portfolio of products. I'd like to compare it now to our myeloma portfolio and how we're looking at myeloma.
I think we have the ability with the science and the expertise. We have the only KLK CD3 redirector targeting KLK. We have the ADC KLK. We have costim. So there will be data that's going to be presented at ESMO that's looking at our KLK-CD3 plus costim in prostate cancer. So we have the ability to really target prostate cancer across all lines of therapy in different modalities, really looking at curative intent. And I do believe what you're hearing like the KLK2 data is pretty remarkable.
I mean, think about it, it fits right nicely with the urology practice, oncology practice. You don't necessarily have the step-up dosing and things that you have from bispecifics. -- that if you can bring costim into there and really showing even greater efficacy.
And forget about it when you bring in RIPTAC, we do believe that's really going to transform the treatment of prostate cancer. So I do believe as we think about our prostate cancer portfolio, we have significant opportunities to really help the curative intent there. And then that RIPTAC technology is not just prostate cancer, it's a platform that we can look across all other tumor types as well.
And at the end of this year, you guys are going to be hosting an Enterprise Business Review Day after a few years. Maybe in the last 30 seconds, give us a little bit of a preview on what we should be looking for from your enterprise.
Significant growth.
Okay. Well, I think that's a great place to leave it. Thank you very much. We covered a lot. Appreciate it.
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Johnson & Johnson — Goldman Sachs 47th Annual Global Healthcare Conference 2026
Johnson & Johnson präsentiert eine breite Pipeline mit mehreren Near‑Term‑Katalysatoren und Betonung auf Launch‑Execution in Immunologie und Onkologie.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Momentum: J&J sieht sich auf Kurs, den Umsatzverlust von STELARA durch mehrere neue Produkte zu kompensieren; Q1‑Momentum und mehrfache €5‑10+ Mrd. Chancen werden betont.
- Portfolio‑Diversität: Starke Fokusfelder sind Immunologie (TREMFYA, ICOTYDE, 4804), Onkologie (RYBREVANT, INLEXZO, ERLEADA, Myelom‑Assets) und orale/neurologische Programme.
- Wachstumsstory: Management erwartet 2026 besser als 2025 und sieht 2027 nochmals stärker — Wachstum über neue Indikationen und Kombinationen.
⚙️ Strategische Highlights
- TREMFYA: Positionierung als differenziertes IL‑23‑Biologikum mit starkem IBD‑Launch (64% Q1‑Wachstum, Induktions‑Share‑Leader).
- ICOTYDE: Orales TYK2 mit schnellem Rollout via Hub (~4.500 Prescriber), hohe intent‑to‑prescribe; Entwicklungslinie umfasst IBD‑Studien und Kombinationsansätze.
- 4804 & Co: Co‑Antikörper für refraktäre IBD (signifikanter Effekt in schwerer Subgruppe); positioniert für Line‑2+/hochrefraktäre Patienten.
🔎 Neue Informationen
- Launch‑Metriken: TREMFYA stark, ICOTYDE: ~4.500 Prescriber, 60% systemisch‑naiv, 25% Sourcing aus Oralen; DTC läuft "bald" aus.
- Daten‑Ausblicke: ICOTYDE vs STELARA‑Head‑to‑head‑Daten noch dieses Jahr; 4804‑DUET: Nutzen klarer in stark refraktärer Kohorte.
- Onkologie & Orphan: INLEXZO: J‑Code beschleunigt Nutzung (+50% Provider, +90% Insertions); RYBREVANT zeigt versprechende Survival‑Signale, neue Zulassungsaktivitäten (Head&Neck).
- Milvexian: Event‑getriebene AF‑Studie Ende Jahr erwartet; Management peilt 30–40% geringeres Blutungsrisiko an.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Wettbewerb: Wie reagiert man auf AbbVies subkutane Formulierung von Competitoren? Management verweist auf molekulare Differenzierung und Marktzugriff, bleibt aber defensiv.
- Launch‑Transparenz: Nachfrage nach gehaltvollen ICOTYDE‑KPIs; Management hält detaillierte Zahlen bis zum nächsten Earnings‑Call zurück.
- Positionierung 4804: Diskussion um Line‑Sequenzierung in IBD und Kombinationen; Management sieht 4804 primär für stark refraktäre Patienten.
- Milvexian‑Impact: Analysten fragten nach dem Ausmaß der Blutungsreduktion, Management nennt ~30–40% als signifikant für Verschiebung gegenüber Apixaban.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: J&J liefert eine klare Growth‑Story mit mehreren near‑term Daten und Launch‑Katalysatoren; das Risiko liegt in Marktzugang, Datenbestätigung und Wettbewerbsdruck. Für Aktionäre bedeutet das attraktives Upside‑Potential, aber auch Ausfallsrisiken bis zu den nächsten großen Readouts.
Johnson & Johnson — Bernstein 42nd Annual Strategic Decisions Conference
1. Question Answer
All right. Thanks, everyone. I'm Lee Hambright, U.S. MedTech analyst at Bernstein. Thanks, everyone, for being here. We are delighted to host Johnson & Johnson, Chairman and CEO, Joaquin Duato. Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you, Lee.
We are scheduled for a 50-minute fireside chat here. Just a reminder that investors in the room can submit questions at any time through Pigeonhole and we'll try to work in as many as we can here.
Joaquin, you've described 2025 as a catapult year, and J&J is now entering what you call a powerful new era of growth. Maybe you could kick us off with some opening remarks on the state of the business, particularly as you look toward crossing the $100 billion revenue milestone this year.
Thank you, and glad to be here with you. Why was 2025 important? Because that was the year in which we were getting the biosimilars of STELARA into the U.S. market. So all investors were thinking, is John & Johnson going to be able to grow through the STELARA biosimilars, and we did. We grew mid-single digit. We exceeded expectations. And I believe we are the only company ever that has been able to grow the year in which the biosimilars to our largest products came. So why were we able to do that?
We were able to do that because we have a strong portfolio of existing products that we can discuss both in MedTech and Innovative Medicine and because we have a very strong pipeline, too. So that's the reason behind. And in 2025, we said we are going to be able to grow faster in 2026 than in 2025, in 2027 than in 2026, and we have line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade. So from the point of view of today into the second quarter of 2026, I can tell you that, that's still the position we are in.
Coming from the first quarter, we upped our guidance, both in top and bottom line. And our guidance for total year 2026 is 6.1% adjusted operational growth, and we are going to surpass $100 billion as a company. So why -- what are the drivers of those growth? On the Innovative Medicine side, our strong portfolio of 60 medicines with DARZALEX, ERLEADA, CARVYKTI, SPRAVATO and the new product launches that we are now in the middle of like CAPLYTA, ICOTYDE, INLEXZO and RYBREVANT, all of these having a significant impact this decade.
In MedTech, the drivers are the growth in our cardiovascular franchise, which is one of the largest in the industry in three of the fastest growing markets like electrophysiology, calcified arterial disease or heart failure and the upcoming launch of our OTTAVA robotical surgical system that we hope to have an approval by the end of this year, beginning of next year that will drive growth in our surgical franchise. So when I look at our position today, we have a strong portfolio. We have a strong pipeline. All of this underpinned by strong cash generation and a strong balance sheet. We are still a AAA-rated company and that gives me confidence of our performance in the second half of the decade.
Excellent. Excellent. Thank you for that. Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the macro environment. Lots of moving pieces over the past 18 months, including shifting trade policies, geopolitical tensions, regulatory changes. Can you put all of that into perspective for us in terms of key risks for J&J?
Yes. So our size and scope makes us very well equipped to navigate all type of scenarios. I would say that Johnson & Johnson is built for times like this. So in these situations is when we thrive and hence, my confidence on the second half of the decade. We have multiple options. We have a strong track record of being able to navigate multiple geopolitical situations. And while -- I mean there's always puts and takes that we have to navigate but I'm still very confident that we're going to be able to deliver in our growth objectives.
When I look into the elements that are out there for an innovation-based company like Johnson & Johnson, which is what we are, we have tried to focus our portfolio in areas of unmet medical need where there's breakthrough innovations such as oncology, immunology and neuroscience, in Innovative Medicine and cardiovascular, vision and surgery. In MedTech, for us, there's always going to be some tension between breakthrough innovation and issues of pricing, access and affordability. And that's always a constant. That's not going to change.
So at the end of the day, the companies that are going to make the difference are going to be the ones that are able to bring breakthrough innovation. If you are able to bring breakthrough innovation, then everything will come together, and you will be able to have a good business. Now we also have another advantage is that we have more options than other companies. So we have a number of platforms that helps us navigate all the different scenarios. And it's good for us not to have impending big loss of exclusivity in front of us. we are not dependent of a single platform neither.
So that gives us much more flexibility to navigate multiple scenarios. And while we'll have to work through that, I'm very confident that this is the space where Johnson & Johnson thrives.
Great. Okay. You talked about that tension between breakthrough innovation and price. You've had a productive dialogue with the U.S. administration, including recent agreement to improve access to medicines. How did Trump RX and new price parity models impact your long-term pricing strategy and thoughts about R&D return on investment?
Yes, overall, we have said before that while we think it's important to be able to improve access for patients in the U.S. and make it easier for patients to get the therapy they need based on medical decisions. We don't think that the way of achieving that is importing foreign price controls through the so-called MFN. So on one hand, we think it's good to be able to make it, so that all patients in this country are able to access the best therapies, and that's something that is not only something that we can achieve alone. We have to work with insurance companies, with the hospital industry in order to be able to achieve that.
But I don't think the way to do that is to hamper investment in innovation by importing foreign price controls. So what type of things can we do in order to be able to maintain an environment where innovation can thrive in this country, which I think it's important in multiple fronts, and I'm sure we can discuss before. I think there are things that we can do in order to improve affordability. I mean two ones that are -- the ones that are top of mind are one is work on the middle man side, on the intermediaries that, as you know, capture more than 50% of the value and also try to maintain the 340B hospital pricing system for its original intent without the excesses that are today.
So I think that by working on the middle man and by working also on the 340B pricing system, we can create savings that can be then plowed into the patient to improve affordability and to diminish their out-of-pocket expense. That's the way for us to go, and that will continue to enable us to invest in innovation, especially at a moment in which we have two factors converging. One is more opportunities than ever to be able to address difficult complex diseases as we are seeing in cancer, for example, and then on the other hand, more competition by other countries that are trying to take or participate in the leadership position that the U.S. has.
So I don't think this is the moment for us to shortcut in innovation, is to double down on that because we have this opportunity to bring more breakthroughs and at the same time, we're having competition that is challenging our status.
Great. Okay. FDA is part of the equation here. We've seen significant changes and leadership turnover at FDA. You're obviously engaged very closely with the agency. What are you seeing on the front lines? Any changes or risks to approval timelines?
Having a strong regulatory agency is a key component of the innovation ecosystem. I mean you need to have the basic research, you need the capital, you need the companies like us, but a central piece of that is have a strong regulatory agency because the regulatory agency is a needed linchpin of being able to develop medical technologies and medicines in a safe and effective way. And innovation in regulatory processes also drives medical innovation. So the FDA has and it still is the best regulatory agency in the world.
If I leave aside the turnover in leadership and in personnel, our relationship with the industry during this period has been functional. So I cannot really point to any area in which we have had a delay or a situation in which the professionals of the FDA have not acted according to the standards that we were used to. So our working relationship with the agency, it's been positive, and it's to the credit of the people working at the FDA that have maintained a high standard of performance.
Great. As you mentioned, you now see a path to double-digit growth by the end of the decade, which is striking for a company of J&J's scale. You continue to grow through STELARA LOE. As you look toward 2030, what are the key levers required to bridge from your current 5% to 7% CAGR target to that double-digit profile?
Yes. Great question. So the ambition of being able to grow double-digit growth by the end of the decade is based on the portfolio and pipeline, late-stage pipeline that we have today. So just to be clear, this is not an ambition based on predicated on anything else, not on M&A. It is based on our existing portfolio and our late-stage pipeline. So our existing portfolio and our late-stage pipeline are largely derisked. So just to put that aside.
So what are the areas in which we believe there's still a disconnect between our own internal expectations and the Street expectations? That would be the -- to focus your question. So there's three products in our Innovative Medicine side where the expectations of the Street are still lower than our own internal expectations, and I will go into them in a second. And then in the medical technology side, our expectation in our cardiology group is higher than the Street. And I still think that the Street is not taking enough consideration to our launch in robotic surgery, which is going to accelerate our surgical franchise growth.
So let me go one by one and we can dig later more into everyone. The three products that are still underestimated by the Street in the Innovative Medicine side are RYBREVANT, which is our EGFR/c-MET bispecific, which is now approved for lung cancer. We have breakthrough designation in head and neck, and we are going to be presenting data at this ASCO, which is this weekend. And also, we are developing it in colorectal cancer where EGFR and c-MET are important oncogenic drivers. So that one is underestimated.
The second one is INLEXZO, which is our intravesical drug releasing system for non-muscle invasive bladder cancer. Non-muscle invasive bladder cancer is a highly prevalent condition, more than a million patients, 600 patients diagnosed every year, 400,000 patients relapse. So it's a large patient population, and we have shown durable and sustained results superior to any other therapy that I have seen. And we are in the middle of the launch of INLEXZO. The initial indication was in patients that do not -- that have failed BCG. We are working now in two other indications, BCG exposed and BCG naive, and that's going to expand the patient population.
And then the third product there is ICOTYDE, which is our oral peptide blocking IL-23. That is the first oral medication, once a day, 1 pill that has similar efficacy and safety to a biologic. And that's going to change the market because the arrival of an oral therapy that is comparable to an injectable biologic is going to change the market. It's going to expand the market, and it's going to actually compete with the injectable biologics, as some patients may prefer an oral therapy to an injectable one. So ICOTYDE is the other one that we believe is underestimated.
On the MedTech side, we are in three very fast-growing markets. Electrophysiology is a fast-growing market with the advent of PFA, and we can discuss that later. Calcified arterial disease with our acquisition of Shockwave, we're in the middle of the launch of a new catheter, C2 AERO for coronary calcified arterial disease, which is doing really well. And then heart failure with Abiomed, both in high-risk PCI, in cardiogenic shock, we are seeing significant improvements there too.
So that is still underestimated versus -- what the Street has underestimated versus our own projections. And then finally, I think that nobody is really factoring in a serious way our efforts in robotic surgery with the upcoming launch of OTTAVA, and that would be another element that would help us fortify this double-digit growth in MedTech and in total Johnson & Johnson.
Excellent. Okay. You've given us a meaty agenda there of things to dig into. Excellent. So let's start with oncology. You've set a goal to be the #1 oncology company by 2030 with over $50 billion in sales. As you mentioned, consensus is still a couple of billion short of that $50 billion target. You talked about RYBREVANT, and INLEXZO. Maybe can you just talk a little bit more about maybe those two and particularly what to look out for on those two, particularly maybe the data at ASCO on RYBREVANT? And then just what are the key drivers more broadly that gets you to that oncology objective?
So oncology includes oncology and hematology, it's all together, right? We've said that we plan to be the #1 oncology company by 2030, and we have even put a number out there of $50 billion by 2030. So let me break it down. An important part of that is our hematology franchise, in particular, our multiple myeloma franchise. We aim to have a therapy for every line of therapy for every patient. We have the backbone therapy, which is DARZALEX, which is growing double digit today. It is our largest product and is the backbone of therapy in any multiple myeloma therapy.
And today, in most of the clinical trials in multiple myeloma, they are using DARZALEX as part of the standard of care. So that's a backbone of the standard of care that is going to remain and we see that in a continual growth. Together with DARZALEX, we have two biospecifics, one targeting BCMA, another one, GPRC5D. We have already presented data with our BCMA bispecific in second line in combination with DARZALEX that received an unsolicited commissioner national priority review voucher, it is already approved that in patients in second line, we have external responses like they have never been seen.
So I am assuming that you are going to see an uptake of biospecifics, TECVAYLI, our BCMA bispecific and down the road, TALVEY, our talquetamab, our GPRC5D bispecific in second line. Today, only 5% of the patients in second line are using a biospecific. And then we have CARVYKTI, our cell therapy, in which we have had external results in later lines and in second line, and we are developing in first line that has about 10,000 patients already treated, that continues to gain adoption. We're seeing very strong growth on CARVYKTI and at this point, we don't have any constraints from a manufacturing perspective.
So the combination of our cell therapy, DARZALEX and our bispecific portfolio makes it a very strong multiple myeloma franchise, which is going to be a very important part of our growth moving forward. We are also into later stage development of trispecific, which would combine in a single drug, both GPRC5D and also BCMA, and you are going to see data really soon about our trispecific. It will most likely launch in this decade and will be another contributor to our multiple myeloma franchise.
Bispecifics on cell therapy could -- can coexist together. It depends on the site of care, and it depends also on patient preference. It depends also on what therapies that patient has received before. But clearly, bispecific and cell therapy can coexist and are coexisting as we speak now. That's in the hematology side.
On the solid tumor side, the first one is RYBREVANT. I discussed that before. Today, with RYBREVANT in combination with LAZCLUZE in EGFR-mutated non-small cell lung cancer in all lines of therapy already, 1 out of 4 patients is treated with RYBREVANT. We see a continuous expansion of RYBREVANT in non-small cell lung cancer because it's the only regimen that has demonstrated overall survival with a chemo-free regimen in first line, the only one. We think it addresses the mechanism of resistance of the tumor and that going slow to go fast, you're going to see a constant progression of RYBREVANT, and we see every quarter of RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE in non-small cell lung cancer.
We'll add to that our head and neck indication, the data that you're going to see at ASCO. It is going to be in second line, but we plan to go into Phase III in first line, and that would create another leg of growth for RYBREVANT and then later, but also in this decade, we'll continue our development in colorectal cancer, in which EGFR and c-MET are also oncogenic drivers, and that's going to create a larger product for RYBREVANT, which I think it's still underestimated.
Of note, in January this year, we had the approval of RYBREVANT FASPRO, which gives a subcu formulation of RYBREVANT, which makes administration easier and also an approval for a once-a-month dosing regimen, which makes it more consistent with what the oncologists are expecting. So the combination of the additional indications, the subcu formulation, the once-a-month regimen is going to create continual growth of RYBREVANT.
INLEXZO, now at this point, we have the indication only in patients that have failed, not responded to BCG and that have carcinoma in situ. We just got the J Code for INLEXZO in April which is going to open the path for less complex reimbursement. And we have seen a very significant uptick of INLEXZO since April in getting the J Code. And in the period of '26-'27, you are going to see data of two additional studies of INLEXZO, SunRISe-3 and SunRISe-5. SunRISe-5 is in patients that have been exposed to BCG and SunRISe-3 in patients that are BCG-naive.
So the combination of these three indications plus the J Code, it's going to make INLEXZO a standard of care in the treatment of non-muscle invasive bladder cancer. It is a therapy, which combines a device and a drug, it's perfectly fit in the urologist's practice. It's an easy implantation and we see that being a platform that is going to expand beyond INLEXZO. We have already presented data of a next-generation platform, which we call TAR-210 that has erdafitinib, an FGFR inhibitor in the platform, and that has shown very significant response rates with less frequent dosing schedule. So for us, this platform of intravesical drug release system, it's going to have multiple iterations that are going to drive growth particularly in this area.
And then finally, ICOTYDE. It's an area we know really well. We are leaders in immunology and we are developing ICOTYDE not only in psoriasis, which is the first launch, but also in psoriatic arthritis, and you're going to see Phase III data this year. And in IBD, both in Crohn's and in ulcerative colitis. So the combination of that and the fact that physicians now are going to have an oral once-a-day pill with efficacy, which is comparable to an injectable biologic and safety comparable than the biologic is going to expand the market in a significant way. And there is patients that may prefer to have an oral product than an injectable.
So that's going to be, and I have said that, and it's been many times quoted, one of our biggest products ever and is still being estimated by the Street. I have to tell you that we have bookings. We have people that have gone really, really very far and people that are very, very, very much on the low end, right? So truth may be in the middle, but it's going to be a very large product there.
On our cardiovascular franchise, on EP, we are the leaders in electrophysiology today. We are not the leaders in PFA but we are the leaders overall because electrophysiology is not only about the therapeutic catheter, it's about an entire ecosystem of mapping, diagnosing, having the best clinical mapper as a service for the electrophysiologist and then therapeutic catheters too. So we have the best combination and ecosystem, and we can discuss that later. We plan to continually launch new therapeutic catheters every year to make fix simple for the electrophysiologist and safer.
Calcified arterial disease still is a market that has potential for continual penetration as it is high risk PCI and cardiogenic shock, and we see more opportunities there to continually penetrate. And I think we have an opinion which is higher than what the Street has as far as the potential of our cardiovascular franchise.
And finally, again, robotics that I'm sure we can discuss later. For us, everything in robotic is additive to what we have. It's additive to what we have because we are not there and it's not a space where we are new. We have been in surgery, in these operating rooms for decades and the same people that are using the robots right now are using our sutures, are using our hemostats and oftentimes are using our staplers too, are using our instruments overall. So for us, surgical robotics is our territory. It is a place where we have all the right to become a leading company, and we plan to be a leading company.
Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Before we get into some of those MedTech platforms, just a question from the audience on AI in research. Can you give us some examples of how you're thinking about using AI in research for the Innovative Medicines business and will that be material to the [indiscernible]?
So I mean the -- every company including us is using AI in two areas, one in molecular design and discovery, another one in optimizing clinical operations. So in molecular design and discovery, it's shortening the time from hit to lead. So we can do things faster. And at the same time, if you have the right models, you can better predict some of the preclinical aspects in toxicology and efficacy that would be predictors of success once it goes to humans. So we have a number of examples of oral medicines that we are getting into humans much faster than we were able to do pre utilizing AI.
So I think it's safe to say that the use of AI, it's going to enable us to get things from hit to lead to humans faster than before and the probability of success once it goes to humans is going to increase. Look, we have a number of examples. I mean I don't want to disclose which ones because some of these targets are confidential, but we are clearly using it, and it's already ongoing. The other area in which companies, including us, are using AI and we were using that even before generative AI, it's in the area of clinical operations. Why?
In protocol design, patient selection and also in selecting the centers that are more likely to recruit and to have quality in the way they conduct the clinical trials. So those are two areas in which you are going to see AI having a positive impact in drug development. And I think that for companies like us, AI is a force for good because it's going to help us being able to develop medicines which are better and get faster to patients and it's going to help medical devices being smarter and improve the outcomes of surgery and any procedure.
So when I think about AI, when it comes to the health care industry to Johnson & Johnson and to other companies, I see that as a force for good and as a positive thing. I don't see that as with fear. I think it's something the companies like us need to fully embrace because it's going to make us better in doing what we do best, which is bringing medicines and medical technologies to patients.
Very good. Excellent. So let's touch on drug device synergies. INLEXZO, as you mentioned, is off to a great start, projected to reach $5 billion in peak sales. Are you looking to apply that kind of targeted release platform to other therapeutic areas?
Yes. I mean, I already commented that we are already using the concept for another drug device combination, which incorporates erdafitinib on it, and we are thinking about all the areas of the kidney, in the upper kidney, in cancer that we can use that drug device combination. So we see multiple opportunities of utilizing the technology behind INLEXZO in different instances in contained spaces like the kidney or the bladder. So you will see more of that, and that's an area that we are investing and we plan to expand.
Another exciting area for us in which we are using our drug device expertise is a relatively unknown one, which is our radio enhancer. So we are already in Phase III and in Phase II with a radio enhancer is an element that, let's say, amplifies the effects of radiotherapy. We have already presented some data in this recent ESTRO that occurred recently and the community in radiology, in radiotherapy is very excited about having the opportunity to have an inert substance that is going to amplify the effects of radiotherapy.
In this case, in order to do the procedure, you need the support of our medical device clinical specialists because this is injected directly into the tumor, and you need to have the right way of injecting and delivering the drug and delivering the right amount. So that's another area given that radiotherapy is the most frequent treatment modality in cancer that if we are able to find a radio enhancer that could amplify the effects of radiotherapy or help using less radiotherapy to optimize the effect of radiotherapy and minimize the side effects could be quite transformational.
Yes, nanobiotics.
And our Nanobiotics collaboration.
Yes. Excellent. Okay. Let's talk about MedTech. Valuations for MedTech have been slashed by 40% over the past 6 months. Have you seen any material changes in the underlying fundamental outlook for MedTech markets?
I think you have to separate valuations from underlying trends. So I don't see other than healthy trends when it comes to demand for medical devices because the number of procedures expanding, the capacity of the hospitals is expanding, and the quality of those procedures is improving, too. So the underlying trends that I see in the areas that we participate that is very broad, orthopedics, cardiovascular, vision, surgery.
I don't see anything but continuous progressive growth there, I think, which is helped by the normal aging of the population and the fact that the procedures get better, get faster and you have better outcomes and results out of this. Now the valuation is a different story. And look, I think there's, I would call it, a recalibration, let's say, rather than a reset. I think that there's a recalibration and as you know, you've been here for a long time, that is a normal ebb and flow that, of course, with the valuations. There's always recalibrations. But clearly, the underlying fundamentals of the MedTech business, I see them as healthy as ever.
Great. Okay. Let's talk about surgery. You mentioned OTTAVA a couple of times, of course, you submitted to the FDA earlier this year. What unmet need will OTTAVA address? And how are you measuring success in the surgery business over the next couple years?
I mean, first of all, as I said before, we have been in surgery for a long time. So we are not entering a new space. The same customers that are customers of the robotic systems now are customers that are using our sutures, our hemostats and oftentimes even our own instruments. We are leaders in open laparoscopic surgery. So it's a space that we know globally. And as a consequence, I think we have all the right to be an important player in robotic surgery, which is where surgery is going, right? So there's no question about that. And it's still largely a space which is underpenetrated.
Most of the procedures are still open laparoscopic, I still see that down the road, every procedure will incorporate some robotic component. So we are in the first inning, in the first cycle of robotic penetration, and that's going to continue to grow. So why do we think that our system could carve out a space? A number of things. First, we have what we believe is a differentiated system. The architecture is different. It does fit in standard operating rooms. The arms are tucked below the bed and the bed is like a normal hospital bed. So that makes it more efficient to be able to be used in normal standard operating rooms.
As an anecdote, I was talking to a surgeon, and he was telling me one of our nurses came into the operating room and the nurse asked him where is the robot because she was not seeing the robot because the arms are tucked below, and it's just a normal operating room. So you can do open surgery or laparoscopic surgery in that bed. So that makes it more efficient and makes the hospital being able to utilize the space and turn around the operating room faster.
The other element that I have heard from surgeons that they really appreciate is what we call twin motion because of the arms being attached to the bed, when you move at the same time, the bed and the arms. So that avoids that you have to constantly reposition the patient. And depending on the BMI of the patient, that could be a difficult task. So they like this feature that we call twin motion in which the arms and the beds are moving at the same time.
The third element is that it's going to mount our instruments. It's going to mount our staplers. It's going to mount our energy devices, and they like our instruments. You can ask now which ones do you like the most. In some countries, they even stop the robot and they use our instrument for certain tasks. So they are going to have the superior Johnson & Johnson instruments mounted in the robot, and that's going to be ultimately making a big difference because ultimately, those instruments as the ones touching the patients.
And then finally, look, I mean, surgeons, series of hospitals, they want to have more options, and we are going to be there to provide those options. So I think that's why we are going to have a space in the robotic surgery space. And we are a company that has the muscle and the resilience in order to be able to take the time to build a leadership position there.
Amazing. Great. Just a question from the crowd about just how much of your double-digit growth by the end of the decade expectation is predicated on OTTAVA successor? Is there any kind of metrics you can give us related to that?
Yes. I mean, I appreciate the question. What I can tell you is that the double-digit growth is the totality. I gave you I think, 7 different elements why I think we are underestimated. I talk about RYBREVANT, INLEXZO, ICOTYDE, electrophysiology, calcified arterial disease, heart failure, OTTAVA is one of the elements there. I mean the good thing about Johnson & Johnson is that we don't depend on one element. We are not a one-trip pony company.
Yes.
I know investors sometimes like one-trip pony companies because they are easy to understand, but they have an expiration date, right? So I mean, it's good to have the number of options that we have. And in every single area that we are in, we are #1 in most of them or #2, with the ambition to become #1. So it's not -- we are deep in every single area. We're deep in oncology. We're deep in immunology, we're deep in surgery. We are deep in cardiovascular, deep in neuroscience so that gives us the opportunity and the optionality to be able to be a company that will be more than $100 billion and still is telling you credibly that we have line of sight to double-digit growth. I cannot think about any other company of our size that can talk about that.
Incredible. Good. Okay. In Electrophysiology, you've lost share, of course, as the market has shifted rapidly to PFA. Is it realistic to think that you can catch up with surging PFA competitors and hold on to that #1 position in the EP market?
We are #1 today, as I said before, electrophysiology is not about the therapeutic catheter only. It's about the entire ecosystem, even in the value of the procedure, it's not about the therapeutic catheter only. It's about being able to have a system like CARTO to map, it's about to have the diagnostic catheters, it is about to have the service level that our unmatched clinical mapper network provides. It's about having Ultrasound too, which improves the quality of the procedure and enables you to do it without fluoroscopy. So it's about an entire ecosystem.
And that's what we are providing today to the electrophysiologist is because, as you know, oftentimes when they are using competitive therapeutic PFA catheters, they're still using our mapping system. So why we believe we are going to remain leaders and gain back a position of leadership in PFA? A, because we are going to continue to upgrade constantly our mapping system, which is foundational for us. B, because we plan to constantly improve our therapeutic catheter portfolio.
Now we are launching in Europe VARIPULSE Pro. VARIPULSE Pro has a shorter sequence than VARIPULSE, and VARIPULSE Pro is 5x shorter than VARIPULSE. We plan to have VARIPULSE Pro also in the U.S. that's going to make the procedure shorter and easier for the electrophysiologists. And we have already presented significant data in HRS with rates of stroke that are 0.2%, the lowest in the category. So clearly, VARIPULSE is a safe catheter as compared to the competitive catheters.
So from there on, we are going to be launching a dual energy catheter that would be the STSF catheter that will combine electrophysiology and PFA. We are working on a large deep focal catheter and we'll continue to innovate our therapeutic catheters in order to remain leaders in total electrophysiology and also in PFA. So our aspiration is to get back to be leaders in PFA. It may take us some time, but we're going to continue to invest to be there.
Great. Okay. You mentioned the other two big assets in cardiovascular, Abiomed and Shockwave. Business is performing well ahead of deal models, but competition is coming in both markets. How do you plan to maintain your lead in both of those places?
Two avenues. One is continue to improve our catheters when it comes to Shockwave and we are launching a catheter every year. Last year, we launched Javelin for difficult to cross classified lesions. And this year, we're launching C2 AERO which improves the leverability and maneuverability of the catheter in coronary, which is the largest market. And we continue to innovate in our pump. I mean, part of the growth in Abiomed is the 5.5 pump, which is implanted through the axillary by the surgeons. So we are always a step ahead of the competition, and we will be in having new catheters or improvement in the existing pump. So that's one avenue.
We plan always to be a step ahead of the competition. And on the other hand, we plan to continue to generate data to substantiate why the use of our catheters or pumps is beneficial for the patients. So both in the new product side and in the data generation, we will push forward to be always a step ahead of the competition.
Great. Volume-based procurement in China continues to be a headwind. It's a headwind in surgery, likely is going to hit EP in the second half of this year. When do you expect China to return to becoming kind of a more meaningful growth driver for MedTech?
Yes. Volume procurement is a pricing mechanism. And I was referring before to this tension between innovation and affordability that goes always through cycles. I think we are now in the cycle of constrained prices in China, but the market will continue to come back. And what matters is that the underlying demand in China is significant, and it's an important driver of growth longer term for us. So I'm optimistic about the China market. While we will have to navigate the short-term pricing pressures, the underlying demand for our medical devices and medicines is still strong, and it's an area where Johnson & Johnson will continue to be.
Great. I hate to ask a question from the audience on talc, just a quick update on how to think about where we are on that one.
On talc?
On talc.
Yes. So look, I mean, we are working now through the Daubert proceedings. And we are focused on litigating every single case. We have a strong track record of litigating every single case. Of 17 cases that have been gone into appeal, we have won 16, so we plan to continue to fight every single case because the evidence and the regulatory agencies are on our side. So we plan to continue to fight for what we think is fair. And our approach is we're going to litigate every single one.
Yes. Great. Okay. All right. Maybe zooming out to talk about portfolio. From the start of your tenure, you've talked about getting more acquisitive, particularly in MedTech. With the ortho separation in process and valuation is looking pretty attractive across the health care space, how do you think about opportunities to continue to reshape J&J's portfolio?
So from -- I mean, I think we have gone through a significant reshaping of our portfolio. I mean, on one hand, we separated our consumer business, and now we are separating our orthopedics business. So we are clearly focused, as we say, in three areas in Innovative Medicine and in three areas in MedTech. And all the six areas are areas where we have a strong position and depth and there's medical need and also science is advancing to bring medical innovation. I think from that perspective, we are what I would call using pharmacological terms at a steady state.
Look, as far as M&A has to be clear, when I'm talking about double-digit growth, it's not because of M&A. It's based on the existing largely derisked portfolio and pipeline that we have today that I have just described. When I think about M&A, look, we have the cash generation, we have the balance sheet to be able to have optionality in M&A. If there are opportunities that fit our areas of expertise, that do have a significant improved membership in standard of care and that are financially attractive, we'll think about it.
Our sweet spot, however, is earlier stage acquisitions in which we can use the scale of Johnson & Johnson in order to expand their clinical development under commercialization. One good example of that is the acquisition of Halda Therapeutics that we did at the beginning of the year. It's a new platform called RIPTAC. They have an asset in Phase II in prostate cancer. We can use the RIPTAC platform in other solid tumors. And our goal is to expand it into multiple areas and to create significant value there.
The Halda Therapeutics acquisition doesn't make the headlines because it's a relatively small one, but we have demonstrated over and over again that we have a good ability to identify small acquisitions that become big products. ICOTYDE is one and INLEXZO is another one. So Halda, our prediction is that it's going to become a big platform for us. So M&A, it's an important component of our overall portfolio growth but our bias is clearly for earlier stage acquisitions.
Got it. Great. I think of your 6 big focus areas, maybe the ones we didn't touch on as much were neuroscience in the Innovative Medicine business and then Vision in the MedTech business. Maybe just 30 seconds on what's interesting in those two?
30 seconds, Vision. Look, this is a good market for us. Overall market in Vision grows 4% to 6%, but we have a very strong position in contact lenses, where we are the market leader, and we continue to innovate there with multiple generations of contact lenses. We are in the middle of launching next-generation intraocular lenses, and we are gaining share overall in intraocular lenses, which are our two areas of focus. We see Vision as a good space for Johnson & Johnson and one in which you are seeing improvements both in medical devices and in therapeutics. So it's a good space for Johnson & Johnson.
Then when it comes to neuroscience, it's an area that we have clearly signaled as a priority where we have a strong track record there. Our two growing assets are SPRAVATO in treatment-resistant depression, which is growing very healthily, close to 50%. It's a multibillion-dollar product, and we are now in the middle of the launch of adjunctive treatment of major depressive disorder for CAPLYTA, which is doing really well. And we are seeing a very significant increase in the prescriptions for CAPLYTA since we have the major depressive disorder indication.
Plus we continue to grow in the other two indications of CAPLYTA, which are schizophrenia and bipolar. So we think that CAPLYTA is going to be a leading antipsychotic in these three areas, and we feel very confident that as we communicated when we acquired Intra-Cellular, this is going to be another $5 billion asset. We are continuing our investments in our pipeline in depression, and we have an orexin-2 antagonist, seltorexant, which it's going to have a read in Phase III pretty soon that we are developing also in depressive disorder with a prevalence of insomnia and that could be another addition to our depression portfolio.
So we feel confident in the continual growth of our Neuroscience franchise. And we keep on trying in the area of neurodegeneration, which is a bet for the next decade, but we think that a company like Johnson & Johnson has to be in these major decisions like neurogeneration, that, in my view, is the next frontier for Innovative Medicine companies in order to be able to conquer. There is still a lot of room for improvement in neurodegeneration and it's an area where as population ages will become more and more prevalent, it will become more of a social problem overall.
Amazing. All right. We covered a lot of territory there in 50 minutes. Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Thanks, everybody.
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Johnson & Johnson — Bernstein 42nd Annual Strategic Decisions Conference
Duato skizziert klaren Wachstumsplan: Guidance erhöht, >$100 Mrd 2026 erwartet; Pipeline‑ und MedTech‑Treiber sollen Double‑Digit‑Wachstum bis 2030 ermöglichen.
Fireside‑Chat auf Bernstein: Schwerpunkte 2026‑Guidance, Oncology‑Katalysatoren (ASCO, INLEXZO, ICOTYDE), MedTech (OTTAVA, EP, Shockwave/Abiomed), regulatorische und China‑Risiken.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
Johnson & Johnson sieht 2026 als Sprungjahr: kombinierter Antrieb durch ein breites, late‑stage‑Pipeline‑Set (Onkologie, Immunologie, Neurowissenschaften), starke MedTech‑Franchises (Kardiologie, Chirurgie, Robotik) und stabile Bilanz (AAA). Double‑Digit‑Wachstum bis Ende des Jahrzehnts wird aus eigener Pipeline erwartet, nicht primär via M&A.
💡 Strategische Highlights
- Guidance: 2026‑Ziel: 6,1% adjusted operational growth; Unternehmen peilt 2026 Umsatz > $100 Mrd an.
- Oncology: Schlüsselassets RYBREVANT (EGFR/c‑MET), INLEXZO (intravesikales Drug‑Release) und ICOTYDE (orale IL‑23‑Pille) als wesentliche Umsatztreiber.
- MedTech: Fokus auf Elektrophysiologie (Mapping‑Ökosystem), Shockwave (kardiovaskuläre Katheter), Abiomed (Herz‑Pumpen) und Robotics (OTTAVA‑System).
🆕 Neue Informationen
- INLEXZO: J‑Code seit April eröffnet einfachere Erstattung; weitere Studien (SunRISe‑3/5) liefern 2026–27 Indikationsausweitungspotenzial.
- RYBREVANT: ASCO‑Daten angekündigt (Head‑&‑Neck), Ausbaupläne in Kolorektal‑CA; neue Subkutanformulierung und Monatsdosierung verfügbar.
- OTTAVA & AI: FDA‑Einreichung für OTTAVA läuft; AI wird aktiv in Wirkstoff‑Design und klinischen Operationen eingesetzt.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Preispolitik: Management lehnt Import ausländischer Preisobergrenzen ab, setzt auf Reformen bei Zwischenhändlern und 340B‑Missbrauch zur Verbesserung der Erschwinglichkeit.
- Regulatorik & OTTAVA: FDA‑Zusammenarbeit positiv; konkrete Umsatzbeiträge von OTTAVA wurden nicht quantifiziert – Management betont fehlende Abhängigkeit von einem Einzelprodukt.
- MedTech‑Risiken: China‑Volumenvergaben und PFA‑Wettbewerb im EP‑Markt genannt; Gegenstrategie: Produktinnovation (VARIPULSE Pro, STSF) und Datengenerierung.
⚡ Bottom Line
Call liefert klare Wachstumsgeschichte: Guidance angehoben, mehrere near‑term Katalysatoren (ASCO, INLEXZO‑J‑Code, OTTAVA‑Zulassungspotenzial) und breite Produktbasis reduzieren Concentration‑Risk. Risiken bleiben: Preisregulierungspolitik, China‑Preisdruck, PFA‑Konkurrenz und juristische Talc‑Fälle; Anleger brauchen Execution‑Monitoring bei Launches und China‑Dynamics.
Johnson & Johnson — RBC Capital Markets Global Healthcare Conference 2026
1. Question Answer
To have here Michael Bodner, Company Group Chair, EP and Neurovascular from J&J MedTech as well as Ryan and Lauren from Investor Relations. So thank you so much for being here. Just a quick background. Michael has been with J&J for almost 10 years, previously served as Worldwide President of Biosense Webster. He also led the integrations of Abiomed and Shockwave, and he now oversees 2 high-growth, high-innovation franchises within J&J's cardiovascular portfolio. So Michael, thank you so much for being here today.
Thank you for inviting me.
Okay. Great. So maybe we'll dive into the EP market because that's definitely the hot topic here. I think you've described the global market as a $16 billion opportunity, growing about 12%, 13%, and it is still highly underpenetrated. Maybe you can talk to us about where you see the opportunity for growth? Is it geographic expansion, procedure expansion beyond AFib or a function of improvement in diagnosis that's going to drive growth here?
So as you were doing the intro, I was reflecting on my time at Biosense back in 2022. And back then, it was an $8 billion market. So 4 years later, it's doubled. It's now $16 billion. And as you stated, it's growing 12% to 13% procedurally. The biggest segment of that growth is AFib. AFib is at least 60% of the mix. And that AFib market is most likely growing north of 15%. The driver of that is all of us. 1 in 4 people over the age of 40 will develop atrial fibrillation. And it's still significantly underdiagnosed, it's undertreated.
We estimate that of the patients that could benefit from a catheter ablation, it's still in the single digits that are getting access to care. So still extremely underpenetrated. Growth in this segment will continue to be driven by 2 major factors: market development, and I'll get into that detail, as well as innovation. From a market development perspective, that's patient awareness. 10 years ago, nobody knew what AFib was. Now that's more of a household name. So truly understanding whether a patient has AFib or not is becoming easier to understand, particularly with smart watches and everybody measuring everything they possibly can.
That is also spreading globally outside the United States into Europe and in Asia. But there are more to arrhythmias beyond AFib. That's just one of them, right? There's SVTs, there's flutters, there's VTs. And those are also significantly underpenetrated. So the opportunity for growth is on geographic expansion in Europe and in Asia, patient awareness, but also the referring physicians truly understanding that there are treatment options beyond a pill in the pocket and that those treatment options are getting better and better and those outcomes are improving.
We also have opportunities to introduce innovation to these physicians and to do clinical evidence generation that proves out the safety and efficacy of these new modalities. But the innovation curve right now is steep. There is extremely -- there's an extreme acceleration of innovation and helping guide physicians on what to use when, to best serve patient outcomes. So AFib is the driver, innovation that brings technologies that help physicians to know where to ablate and how to do that in a safer and more effective way will continue with driving that growth.
Got it. Just as a follow-up there, you were talking about the growth rates. So 12% to 13% is global, and you said it's a procedure number. And then AFib is north of 15%. Is that a procedure number as well?
Correct.
Okay. Got it. And then I believe about 75% plus of the U.S. market has already converted to AFib. So I guess...
PFA.
Sorry, to PFA. And so in terms of the pricing premium going forward, adding to that revenue growth is going to be a smaller percentage. So how -- can you parse out the wide U.S. growth?
That's why I quote procedural versus revenue growth because the revenue growth is harder to size because, yes, there is price premium of the conversion from RF to PF. Some of that's going to be unpredictable. As you stated in the U.S., PFA penetration is probably north of 75%, lower in Europe, and just starting in Asia. So there is going to be a price premium that will be layered on top beyond the 12% to 13%.
Okay. That's really helpful. The market has definitely gotten very competitive. And I think recently noted for the U.S. trends that you are gaining some unit market leadership in the U.S. Can you maybe elaborate on that? What is driving it and how sustainable that is?
Yes. So when we talk about therapeutic unit leadership, that is across all arrhythmia types, all ablation types. So that's RF and PF. So we're the clear leader in electrophysiology, and we're the leader in mapping and diagnostic and imaging and RF catheters, and we are now building momentum with PFA. So when we look at total unit leadership, we are now there, and that happened late last year in the United States. And then week over week over week, we're seeing significant momentum building, particularly with our VARIPULSE Plus platform in the United States. So that's where we've had catheter enhancements to VARIPULSE, where we have automated the irrigation rate. Physician feedback has been very positive and the momentum is significantly building. And that anchors to our full ecosystem of CARTO, where everything is fully integrated.
Can you maybe elaborate on that just as a follow-up. So you have indicated that you would be launching a new catheter every year through 2030 and at least 2 CARTO updates each year. Where is J&J driving the differentiation given that it's so competitive? And you mentioned that the innovation curve is pretty steep right now. And what gives you the confidence that you can execute on that pipeline?
We expect to have the most comprehensive and complete PFA portfolio in the market. And that portfolio will be multimodal. And what I mean by that is there will be a small focal, a large focal, there will be a catheter for regional ablation and for single shot. So when we think about the workflow of the EP community, it really depends on physician preference, but also where that patient is in disease progression and the continuum of care. Is this their first procedure or have they had multiple procedures. And so when we look at the strength that we have with, again, the full ecosystem, given that our catheters are integrated into CARTO, we're able to provide physicians with real-time procedural feedback.
Are they touching tissue? Have they provided the right amount of dosing to the vein, to the posterior wall? And do they have contact and how many grams of contact and then the dosing again with a PF index, we used to have an RF index, but now we have a PF index that guides them to how much pulse field they've actually delivered into that tissue itself. And that will drive outcomes. So when I look at the cadence of innovation that we're bringing and I look at the depth of our team globally, we actually have a surge of innovation coming, and we're accelerating. We're not slowing down. We're actually speeding up. And when we look at how we've structured our organization with R&D, advanced R&D, our incubator group and how everything work seamlessly with CARTO, we're well positioned to continue this momentum.
That's really helpful. Maybe we can talk a little bit more about CARTO. So I think you have indicated some of the differences there with tissue proximity indicators, contact force management that you just mentioned, ablation indexes, is there anything else we are missing? Or what feedback you're getting from physicians, which they really appreciate? Because as we know, the market is getting competitive. Abbott has their own mapping system. Boston and Medtronic are launching theirs as well. So where do you think that differentiation lies?
So those intraprocedural cues really make a difference in patient outcomes. Earlier this year, we had a data readout that showed that CARTO, particularly because of the TPI, the tissue proximity indicators, which tells the physician that they're truly delivering the energy into the tissue, not into the blood, showed a 61% reduction in rehospitalization rates at 30 days, 61% reduction. Said differently, patients that were treated with CARTO were 2.5x less likely to go back to the hospital within 30 days because of an arrhythmia-driven rehospitalization. So it matters. And with the introduction of PFA, the traditional cues that they used to see with RF are now missing.
With RF, they would see signal attenuation in real time. They would see the amplitude of that signal getting smaller and smaller until it disappeared. They would be able to see changes to the tissue itself with impedance drops. With PFA, they don't have that. And so giving them those intraprocedural cues that help guide them on therapy delivery significantly improves outcomes. And we're starting to see that in our real-world evidence with our VARIPULSE data in Europe and in the United States. And pleasingly, that data is matching.
That's really helpful. And my guess is that you are in the field with that data showing to physicians.
Yes.
Okay. Perfect. I guess on CARTO Edge, how would you differentiate that versus CARTO 3? And then also at HRS, you launched the CARTOSOUND, the SONATA Module. And so can you walk us through those modalities? What's different here?
So I'll take SONATA first because it's what we're launching now. SONATA is our next-gen imaging modality. It is AI-enabled, and it can take ultrasound images from our ICE catheter. So ICE is intracardiac echo and automatically build high-quality, accurate maps of the heart. Now it used to be that we could do this with the left atrium only. We can now do this also with the left ventricle, which is important for VT, ventricular tachycardias, but we can build an even more detailed map of the left atrium with the new SONATA Module that is CT-like. And as a result, we don't need to use fluoroscopy. We have a 0 fluoro indication. And physicians like the speed, the accuracy and they rely on that and enables them to see things they couldn't see before.
It also auto labels different structures. It tells them what they're looking at on the image, but it also tells them tissue thickness. So by knowing the thickness of the tissue, they can tailor their ablation strategy to those patients. Some areas that are thin may not need as many ablations, whereas others that are thick may need more, and they want to ensure that they're creating effective lesion sets so those patients don't have recurrences.
Got it. That's helpful.
You want to know about CARTO Edge, though. So on CARTO Edge, CARTO is now best-in-class in terms of mapping and the total tech stack is leading edge. but we don't want to rest on our laurels. We want to take it to the next level. In order to do so, we want to bring in more artificial intelligence and machine learning into our software modules. And we have a cadence of about 2 major mapping releases per year, but we're getting to the limits of what we can do with our current platform. And so CARTO Edge is a play on the word edge, meaning it's cutting edge, but it's also bringing in edge computing. And by bringing in edge computing, we bring in much more powerful computing power so that we can have better insights. And so what it will be enabling is tissue characterization.
We're able to understand the underlying tissue. Is it calcified? Is it scarred? Is there fat? And based on that, how would you address your ablation strategy. We're also able to see deeper into the tissue. And sometimes the arrhythmia is not on the surface. It can dive deep into the tissue. And knowing that helps physicians with their guidance in more complex patient sets. And then with CARTO Edge and the tech stack that we've got coming, we're also able to have insights into the quality of the lesions. With PFA, there is this period of time where it can be reversible or irreversible, and we're able to implement multi-frequency impedance mapping where we can guide the physician, is that lesion actually effective or not? And is there more ablation to do.
Got it. Just moving to -- actually, what about the timing on CARTO?
On CARTO Edge, we haven't guided to that timing yet, but more to come.
Okay. Understood. Just shifting gears to VARIPULSE Pro that you launched in Europe in March of this year. I think you've indicated that it delivers 5x faster ablation times. Can you maybe elaborate on that product? When do we see it come to the U.S.? And then you're also doing a head-to-head study with Farawave on persistent AFib. Maybe you can talk about that study.
Okay. So VARIPULSE is our commitment to delivering not just multiple form factors, but multigenerational catheters with pulse sequence innovation. So we're on Plus in the United States, which is the bump in the irrigation rate at 30 mL. And then Pro is a further build with second-generation pulse sequence. That second-generation pulse sequence is 3.8 seconds versus 21 seconds, and we only do 4 per vein. So it's an extremely fast, efficient and easy workflow. The physician feedback has been extremely positive. It's a workflow they already know, but it just works better and it's smoother.
The data that's building is significant. So we have data sets in the real world from VARIPURE and from REAL AF that is showing extremely safe profiles with very good efficacy. So we're seeing acute performance, acute success, and we're seeing greater than 90% freedom from AFib at 1 year. And our event rates are extremely low. So with PFA, we can see hemolysis, ours is extremely low. We can see with other modalities, coronary spasm. We haven't seen that with this platform in over 70,000 cases. And there are other adverse events like groin complications and others. Now given our experience base with VARIPULSE, we have confidence to do a head-to-head. Now PERSIGMA is an indication expansion study for persistent indication in the United States. We could have made this a single-arm study just for indication expansion. But given the confidence that we have in this platform, the data that we're seeing from a safety and efficacy perspective gave us confidence to go head-to-head to guide physicians on platform choice to enable them to have better treatment options as they look through the data.
That's great. When can we expect Pro in the U.S.?
We are actively working with the FDA on that as we speak. But PERSIGMA is not linked to Pro coming to the U.S.
Okay. Got it. That's helpful. I wanted to touch on dual-energy catheters. I think what we've heard from our checks is that it's used in about 20%, 30% of the cases. I think you've indicated in 20%, 30% of simple cases and slightly higher in the more complex cases. And our KOL checks were indicating that it could help you regain more share in the complicated end of the procedure spectrum. So can you just maybe talk about the opportunity with the dual-energy catheter?
So dual-energy STSF is our small focal ablation catheter. It's based on the STSF platform, which is the most widely used RF catheter globally. It's what physicians train on. It's what they're most used to. So it has like muscle memory for them, and there's a lot of comfort to that catheter for them. And now it has dual energy. So we can seamlessly toggle between RF and PF. It has contact force. It has a PF index. So it is a workflow that they're most comfortable with. And the ability to toggle gives them a lot of versatility, depending on the complexity of the patient. There are clinical situations where RF may be more suitable than PF. For instance, if there's an ablation needed near the conduction zone like the AV node, PF may not be suitable or if there's an ablation near the coronary arteries where coronary spasm may be something to be avoided, an RF approach may be more suitable.
Understood. With respect to OMNYPULSE, I think you've indicated that it could potentially redefine PFA. What did you mean?
So with OMNYPULSE, it is a map and ablate catheter with contact force and a PF index. So the contact force tells them how much they're touching tissue and how many grams of force that they're pushing. The PF index indicates have they delivered the therapeutic dosing or not. This is novel to us. And the fact that it's a 12-millimeter basket creates a lot of efficiency. So with STSF, this is a 3.5-millimeter tip, to upgrade that to 12 millimeters enables the physician to have a very efficient workflow. If it is a patient that's having an index procedure, but they're complex, the physician can rapidly map with a high-density mapper, they can quickly isolate the veins. And then based on what's happening in the substrate because it's a single catheter, they're then able to decide where else to ablate with that catheter. So it creates a significant efficiency in that more complex patient population.
Actually, just a follow-up to what you said earlier. I think there are different form factors. You've talked about VARIPULSE, small focal, large focal, single shot. How do you think the market is going to be split between those modalities?
It's going to be reliant on 2 things: physician preference, just what they like to use as well as where the patient is in their continuum of disease progression and the continuum of care. So if the patient is a young patient, and this is their first procedure and all that's needed is to isolate the veins, our large basket, which is referred to as ISOPULSE. Actually, I think we've just named it today for you. ISOPULSE. We didn't disclose it before. ISOPULSE would be a great option. ISOPULSE can map and ablate. It could very safely and effectively take out the veins. If the patient needs beyond the veins, then it would be VARIPULSE Pro where we can segmentally isolate the veins with 4 ablations and then potentially go beyond the veins to the posterior wall. If that patient is even more complex and work needs to be done ablations beyond the posterior wall, then an OMNYPULSE could be suitable. And then finally, if the patient is extremely complex and you need the ability to toggle between RF and PF and you need that smaller tip to get into hard-to-reach areas of the atrium, then dual-energy STSF might be most suitable.
That's really helpful. So J&J really will have the entire toolkit with refreshed...
Not just the toolkit. We will have the most comprehensive therapeutic and mapping tech stack in the market.
That's really helpful. I wanted to touch on the neurovascular franchise. Maybe can you talk to us about the strategic importance of this franchise? And what are the greatest growth opportunities here?
Well, this is a high-impact area, particularly stroke. And you've heard the saying time is brain. So the devices and how they perform really matters. How can we can get that patient to the right interventions quickly, but then how do we get deeper into the brain to remove that clot safely and effectively. So the performance of those devices matter, how they track, how they aspirate and that they're predictable and reliable. So our focus is on ischemic stroke with aspiration and aspiration catheters, but also going after new use cases for our TRUFILL Liquid Embolic for chronic subdermal hematoma.
And so those are patients that are elderly, that can slip and bump and have a bleed. Those bleeds can be difficult to resolve and they're hard to dry out. The traditional approach is surgical. So you can imagine a patient that's over 80, having a surgical approach to help deal with the hematoma doesn't have a great recovery and the recurrence rates can be quite high. By taking a percutaneous approach with TRUFILL, we can improve the patient experience and the physician experience by embolizing the middle meningeal artery to help dry out that chronic subdermal hematoma and reduce the recurrence rate.
Got it. I guess as we think about this franchise, where do you see portfolio gaps? Is it even on the peripheral side? And I don't know any thoughts on the Boston Penumbra acquisition?
I won't comment on competitive activity, but we do have a lot of interest in continuing to expand into high-growth, high-unmet need areas like we've done previously with our acquisitions in the past with Shockwave and Abiomed into heart failure, into complex PCI.
Got it. That's helpful. I guess just -- there's a big focus on innovation on the EP side. It sounds like you'll continue to be looking at -- you'll be looking at expansion opportunities on the neurovascular or vascular side. Where else should investors be focused? What is underappreciated about the 2 franchises that you're running right now?
Yes. So on the EP side, I think what's underappreciated, this isn't about a single catheter. It's about a full ecosystem from imaging to mapping to diagnostic to therapeutic and how it all works together in the ecosystem with the clinical mappers, the R&D strength, the know-how and that commitment to an accelerated launch of innovation, multigenerational catheters, pulse sequence innovation, and it is an exciting time in EP. On the neurovascular front, this is about having consistent performance of our products that enable the interventionalists to quickly and effectively get to the clot and remove it in a predictable way that is -- that tracks well.
These are little small catheters and how they push along that wire and then as they connect it to an aspiration system that the columnar strength stays there, that it doesn't collapse and that they're truly able to remove that clot safely and effectively, and it doesn't break off and go distally. And so having technology that is safe and effective, but also predictable in their hands and gets them to that clot quickly because, again, time is brain, and we want to remove those clots as quickly as we can.
Got it. I know we're out of time. Just one last question, maybe rapid fire here. Just any impact on the macro front? Anything you're worried about?
In terms of EP, the market situation is very favorable. lots of unmet need, very underpenetrated. Innovation is coming rapidly and there's economic value because the innovation that's coming is driving safety, it's driving efficacy and it's driving efficiency.
Okay. Very helpful. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here.
Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — RBC Capital Markets Global Healthcare Conference 2026
Fireside-Chat: J&J beschleunigt den Ausbau seines kompletten EP-Ökosystems (Mapping, Imaging, PFA‑Portfolios) und bringt mehrere neue Geräte und Studien voran.
Fireside-Chat mit Michael Bodner zu EP- und Neurovascular-Strategien.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kern: J&J setzt auf ein integriertes Elektrophysiologie‑Ökosystem (CARTO‑Mapping, SONATA‑Imaging, VARIPULSE/OMNYPULSE/Dual‑Energy), soll Marktanteile durch Produktbreite und intraprozedurale Daten gewinnen und adressiert zusätzlich Neurovascular‑Wachstum bei Schlaganfall‑Interventionen.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Produktbreite: Multimodale PFA‑Roadmap: small/large focal, regional, single‑shot, Dual‑Energy‑Fallback für komplexe Fälle; jährliche Katheter‑Launches bis 2030 geplant.
- Mapping/Imaging: CARTO‑Edge (Edge‑Computing, Gewebekennzeichnung, Lesions‑Qualitätsmetriken) und SONATA (AI‑gestützte ICE‑Bildgebung, 0‑Fluoro, Gewebedicke) sollen Differenzierer sein.
- Clinical Execution: VARIPULSE Pro in EU (5x schnellere Ablation), >70.000 PFA‑Fälle ohne beobachtete relevante Koronarspasmen; PERSIGMA Head‑to‑Head‑Studie gegen Farawave für persistentes AFib.
🆕 Neue Informationen
- Launchs: ISOPULSE (großer Basket), OMNYPULSE (map‑and‑ablate, 12 mm Basket) und Namensnennung von ISOPULSE erstmals genannt; VARIPULSE Pro EU‑Markteinführung bestätigt.
- Studien: PERSIGMA als randomisierte Head‑to‑Head‑Studie in den USA (persistent AF) — J&J verzichtet auf Single‑Arm‑Design.
- Offen: CARTO‑Edge Timing wurde nicht konkretisiert; Pro‑USA‑Zulassung hängt von FDA‑Dialog ab, kein Datum genannt.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Marktwachstum: Treiber sind AFib‑Prozeduren (>60% des Markts), bessere Diagnose (Wearables), geografische Penetration in Europa/Asien und Verlagerung von medikamentöser Therapie zu Ablation.
- Wettbewerb: J&J beansprucht therapeutische Unit‑Führung in den USA dank CARTO‑Integration und VARIPULSE‑Momentum; Differenzierung über intraprozedurale Cues und integrierte Workflows.
- Unklar: Preisaufschläge durch PFA vs. RF bestehen, aber Umsatzimpact schwer zu quantifizieren; Management nannte keine konkreten Preisannahmen.
⚖️ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Für Anleger bedeutet der Talk: J&J fokussiert auf Breite und Tiefe im EP‑Stack, beschleunigt Produktzyklen und liefert erste positive Real‑World‑Daten. Kurzfristig sind regulatorische Timings (CARTO‑Edge, VARIPULSE Pro US) und Wettbewerbsreaktionen die wichtigsten Risiken; mittelfristig können Marktanteilsgewinne und Preisprämien in einem wachsenden AFib‑Markt signifikanten Mehrwert liefern.
Johnson & Johnson — Bank of America Global Healthcare Conference 2026
1. Question Answer
[Audio Gap] to the next company presentation at the BofA Annual Healthcare Conference. My name is Jason Gerberry. I cover pharma and biotech at BofA, and I'm pleased to be moderating our next fireside discussion with Johnson & Johnson, and John Reed, Executive Vice President, Pharma R&D. So John, thanks so much for joining us.
It's great to be here. Looking forward to the chat.
Well, look, you -- as a company, have had a lot of momentum, I think, in the R&D organization. So looking forward to just maybe at a high-level framing first. Where you're at in terms of the pipeline and BD consideration versus in-house developed. You guys have shown a propensity obviously to have success on both fronts. And I imagine you're always opportunistically looking for best science, right? So we get that dynamic. But are the priority areas within the portfolio that from your seat, you're looking at and saying, hey, we maybe want to address and augment through external innovation. I know you probably don't want to tell your hand too much to the external community, but maybe if you could just frame that dynamic first because there's been so much activity with your pharma peers on the M&A front that it's topical.
Yes. No, we're -- first, I would say that we really have become a more focused company in the last few years. Oncology, immunology and neuroscience are really the foundational elements. We do a little bit here and there in some other areas, but those are the key areas. And our strategy for some time has really been one of trying to roughly half of our product mix come from internal discovery and internal invention and half through BD M&A. And we tend to track pretty closely. I think right now, about 60% of the development stage portfolio actually happens to be internally derived, but even many of those started with some collaboration or something.
So it's a mixed picture like that. And we're both interested in products and sometimes platforms. And maybe a good example of a recent one that kind of checked both those boxes was towards the end of last year, we acquired a small company called Halda that had a lead candidate, an oral for prostate cancer. J&J is #1 in prostate cancer. So that's a good fit for us. That is based on a technology called RIPTAC that use these cleverly designed bidentate oral small molecules that will grab on to a target of interest. In this case, it was the androgen receptor, and then also grab some essential protein and sequester it so the cell can't have it. And without it, the cell dies. So it's a holding kill mechanism.
So we're able to bring in essentially a Phase III ready asset. But on top of that, we got this Nifty chemistry platform with several other projects in various stages of progression, that we're excited about taking across a number of areas in oncology, but also in some other therapeutic areas, too. So it's a nice example, I think.
Okay. So it wouldn't be -- I feel like every year at our conference, there's a little bit of drama with FDA, and there's been some recent headlines. I'm not sure the net outcome, what that's going to look like. But if you can maybe frame how productive the interactions have been with the agency with a lot of change and potentially more change coming.
Yes. I've had the opportunity to interact quite a bit with McGarry and his -- and the leadership there at the agency. They recognize that it's become progressively more difficult to do clinical development in this country compared to some other locations and that we need to speed some elements of that and rethink some elements of that and with a mindset to what would it take to make America a more attractive place to see studies conducted. So I certainly applaud the agency for many things they're trying to do to rethink the requirements for INDs, the pace with which INDs can be approved in this country and a number of other dimensions, too.
I mean, you saw that they also now provided some fresh thinking about how many clinical trials do you actually need to get an approval and some other things, too. So I think there's a lot of good opportunity there and good intention. And the commissioner has invited members of the pharma company, company's community from time to time to even submit white papers with our suggestions so that he's not trying to read our minds but trying to understand what are the things that might make it easier for us to do manufacturing in this country or do new studies in this country, et cetera. And then he and his team can take it under advisement.
So I feel there's a bit a good will there to work collaboratively. Obviously, there were big impacts on the agency with the Dodge effort, et cetera, that has created, I think, some workload issues for the agency. I certainly -- the more I interact with the staff there, the more I appreciate just how hard working they are. They turn these applications around, and they've got a big full plate. So appreciative for their service.
Got it. Okay. Well, maybe we'll switch gears to some of the therapeutic areas and immunology is one of the core TAs for you guys as a company. And let's start with ICOTYDE, which the company, I would argue maybe a more bullish tone coming out of 1Q just on the revenue opportunity and we have validated set of indications where ICOTYDE will have an opportunity in psoriasis is the near-term opportunity. But I guess I wonder, first, it's a drug with lower bioavailability. And so as we think about in UC, it is still approximating the efficacy of the biologics, right? And so there's perhaps some underpinnings there in terms of receptors in the gut that might make it feasible for you to achieve that level of efficacy.
Is it realistic to think that you could push dose in psoriasis to narrow that efficacy gap that you see with IL-23 biologics, I guess that's one question. And then how confident are you in kind of your dosing strategy broadly in IBD?
Right, right. Yes. So several dimensions to the question. But First, just to remind the audience, if you don't know that ICOTYDE was just approved this year for psoriasis. It's an oral therapy that targets the IL-23 receptor, a targeted oral peptide. And what we've been seeing is biologics like efficacy, combined with a very pristine safety profile in the convenience of a once a day. The reason that we're excited about it is because if you look at the patient populations in this country and elsewhere that are -- have an autoimmune disease, they're eligible for biologic only 20% to 30% of them are actually taking one.
Many people just do not want to commit to a lifelong of injections with a biologic. So this offers an oral option with efficacy on par with biologics. And in psoriasis, for example, if you look at the data that we generated, we have 5 out of 5 positive Phase III studies published in the New England Journal Publishing Lancet head-to-head against the leading TYK2 inhibitor. But is psoriasis 1 out of every 2 patients had completely clear skin. That's the IgA 0. That's right on par with the best biologics.
So we were able to get that done with a 200-milligram dose. As you know, the health authorities make us do dose ranging because they want us to use the minimally effective dose. They don't want us to push doses anymore than we have to, in order to reduce risks of some safety event. And so we do dose ranging in all our indications. We'll see where we land in the end with the inflammatory bowel disease, as you said, because it's orally absorbed maybe you'll get higher local concentrations in the gut, but we'll do the studies and we'll land on whatever the minimally effective dose is for those indications.
I feel quite confident because the IL-23 class is validated there. So -- but we'll just -- we'll have to see if we get that kind of on par with biologics type of efficacy. I'd say one other thing, too, that we're really happy since you mentioned the FDA is with the adjudication of the label with them, we were able to get a very clean label. So there's no laboratory monitoring required. There's not a requirement to do TB testing upfront, unlike many other biologics. So it's really easy for the dermatologist to write the script and feel confident around the safety of ICOTYDE.
How quickly do you think old ways change, right? These doctors are almost preconditioned to look for these things, right? And so what some doctors have said to us is, well, maybe there's a psychological predisposition to doing these things still, right? Is that at all a factor when you guys think about how these dynamics change with Otezla, right, which was the last successful oral therapy in psoriasis, commercially speaking, it was kind of an easy right, right, for community dermatologists. And it seems like at least in psoriasis, right, the idea is to kind of expand the category.
Yes. I think the clean label really helps in that regard so that you don't have to do a bunch of laboratory testing or wait for a TB test to come back or things like that. As we know, in medical practice in the community, it does take some time for patient education, et cetera. But the interactions we've had, and that's with the KOLs, which maybe are not always representative of our your average dermatologists, but they're really excited because what they talk about is they have patients with psoriasis, they're trying to manage it with topicals, but it's a systemic disease really.
So at some point, they realize this is just not cutting it. And then historically, the dermatologists would say, okay, I think it's time for you to go on an injectable. And what they would describe to us as the patients would go, let me think about that. I'll get back to you and then they don't come back. So with this way, you write a script, they start taking a pill once a day. It's just an easy transition from the patient to get from trying to manage their disease with topicals to now on a systemic therapy. So we're excited. We think it's going to be a real market expander.
Yes. Okay. Now with IBD, this is a big component, I think, of the peak sales outlook for ICOTYDE. So I guess what I wonder is, we haven't seen a really great commercially successful oral outside of maybe mesalamine, which had a lot of volume utilization. If you listen to how AbbVie frames it and they're looking at I&I combinations, you had the recent DUET data. You want to go with your biggest gun early, avoid things like fistulas later downstream in the patient. So I guess I wonder where ICOTYDE fits in all that, right, where you and competitors are looking at these combination products. You've got biologics that work really well there. So how do you think about the oral opportunity in IBD?
Yes. I think, again, there are a lot of -- a large percentage of patients that are eligible for a biologic but not taking one in IBD as well. So I think there must be a -- there's clearly a large patient population there that would like an alternative. The -- I think the key for us will be the efficacy data that we deliver in the studies. Is it right there on par with the biologics and then that gives patients and health care providers another option to consider.
You mentioned DUET. For those who don't know, that's some studies we did with patients who are on the more severe refractory end of the scale where a monotherapy is not getting the job done for them. So they're -- we've created a co-formulation of our TNF inhibitor and our IL-23 inhibitor, 2 antibodies co-formulated at the right doses so that a single injection, the patient gets both of those and had seen that in patients who have failed or more prior lines that this really then started to get into a range of efficacy is essentially double what you saw with the monotherapies in that patient population where monotherapy is just not getting the job done for them.
So it won't be a one size fits all, I think, with these patients, some will gravitate to an oral, others injectables. Some may need more than one drug depending on their disease. Unfortunately, with IBD, as you know, fewer than half of patients achieve and sustain a complete remission. So it is one of those diseases despite even our best medicines. There's room for improvement, and we're going to keep pushing at it.
Okay. Well, maybe that's a segue for DUET, which was recent data that you presented and AbbVie a week or 2 earlier had interim data for its IL-23 integrin. And so I'm just curious the strategy and why prioritization of, say, TNF versus, say, other combination partners that you could have paired with your IL-23?
Right. Well, to some extent, it was logical for us at J&J because we had -- we brought the first TNF inhibitor to market with REMICADE and golimumab, which is the product of Symphony was in our portfolio and then guselkumab, TREMFYA. And so it made sense for us to do exploratory work with those combos. And -- what we did first, though, was pilot studies where they were biomarker-driven, where we put patients on one or both and then take biopsies from the intestine and do deep molecular profiling, single-cell transcriptomics. And that taught us that the 2 together really had a synergistic suppression of inflammatory pathways. So we thought, okay, this could really make sense.
And then as we got in the clinic, we were, of course, watching safety because when you start taking out a couple of these cytokines, what's going to happen to safety. But there, we found that the safety was consistent with each of the underlying components. We did not see incremental adverse events. So we were good on those. And then when we did the studies, we started to see these really promising data. So that's how we started in this journey. It's not to say that other combos wouldn't be logical to also give a try.
And we'll probably do some of that ourselves down the road, but this was a good entry point for us to bring together 2 mechanisms. And we're poised to be the company that delivers the first of a dual mechanism with these co-antibody therapeutic. So we're trailblazing with this and really excited to be able to offer more hope to these patients who are really tough to treat.
So your just general thoughts on having TNF-based combinations and potential with the black box warning, others in this space would say, hey, we want to like combine 2 really safe MOAs orthogonal that lack the black box warning. Maybe the counterargument to that is when you start to deal with settings like IBD or RA, you need big guns and that risk-benefit-wise, a black box warning in the grand scheme may be an acceptable trade-off.
Yes. I mean the black box in this case goes with the TNF class. And because that class has been around so long, we find patients are very comfortable managing those risk profiles. So it's something that they're very familiar with. IL-23 doesn't really have the black box issues. So that pair -- but I mean, if you compare it, some patients who end up on a JAK inhibitor, right? Talk about your black box warning. They have the infection risk warning, they have the cancer risk warning, they have cardiovascular event warnings, they have thrombosis warnings.
So I think when patients are desperate enough and physicians are desperate enough, sometimes they'll even put up with that. But compared to a JAK inhibitor, this is far more benign. And yet we see people reaching for JAK inhibitors with some of these refractory patient populations. So I think the risk benefit it's very attractive, I think, for many physicians and patients.
Okay. And so with -- following the DUET data, what are next steps with that? I -- would the plan be to go directly to Phase III? Are you happy with what you saw? If you can kind of outline that?
Yes, we're going straight to Phase III in ulcerative colitis because we already did a dose-ranging Phase II. We have defined what the dose will be. In Crohn's, we're doing a seamless Phase IIb Phase III. So we'll do some dose ranging and then start the Phase III component. I don't think we've revealed all the details of that, but that's the plan there. We're also going to do a study in psoriatic arthritis, which is another one of the autoimmune diseases where there are a significant percentage of patients where monotherapy is just not enough. So we're going to study there as well.
And we'll go head-to-head against -- in the case of the inflammatory bowel disease, we're going head-to-head against guselkumab, TREMFYA. The regulators agreed that we did not need to do also the TNF single therapy. So it's just -- it's basically guselkumab versus the co-antibody therapeutic, those 2 arms basically.
Okay. And then any efforts, it sounds like to interrogate different orthogonal mechanistic combinations either with a coformulation or bispecifics. Is that something that J&J can do internally, does it need to go out externally to find assets that can facilitate that strategy?
I think it's some of both. So in some cases, we certainly, from a technology standpoint, we have a very robust bispecific platform. We have the ability to do the co-antibody therapeutics. And as we bring more and more orals, there could be oral combinations and sometimes those could be co-formulated a fixed-dose combo. But because there are different targets that you might want to pair in different ways. In some cases, we might have both targets in hands. In other cases, we might want to go externally and grab one from another partner. So it will be some of each, I think, as we get into this sort of commentatorial aspect of on immune diseases.
Okay. Maybe we'll shift to neuroscience, an area that you guys have been acquisitive in. But my question was around SPRAVATO just given the surprising commercial success that you guys have had. I think it speaks to just the unmet need in MDD. I feel like every time there's a new category, it's not zero-sum game, it's expanding the market. And so when we talk to physicians who treat patients either with like [indiscernible] or with SPRAVATO. It seems like it's a very unique segment of the market relative to typical SSRIs or even atypical antipsychotics.
So there's some changing going on in the landscape to around psychodelic therapies, that there could be potentially, at least if you listen to how some of them portray their therapies as more of a durable benefit. You don't need to have as many follow-up treatments as SPRAVATO, which can be time-consuming. So as you look at like what's going on in psychedelic therapy pipeline competitively? Is that a risk to SPRAVATO? Or is that something that's like an opportunity for you to augment SPRAVATO in the portfolio down the line potentially.
I think we're waiting for data to come in on this psychedelics to really understand it all. But just to back up a little bit on SPRAVATO. So it's a particular [indiscernible] esketamine that's formulated for delivery to the intranasal route with a device. So it's another good collaboration between med tech and pharma at J&J. And it was the first example of an antidepressant that had rapid actions. So in other words, within minutes to hours, patients could see their depression symptoms relieved was approved for treatment-resistant depression, which is patients who failed to prior antidepressants at least as well as for really urgent situation of depression with suicidal ideation.
Altogether, we've taken it through 36 clinical trials, a 1/4 of 1 billion people have been treated with SPRAVATO, it is approved in multiple countries. And it really added a new weapon to the battle against chronic depression, which affects 1/4 of 1 billion people around the world and it's a heterogeneous disease, right? It's not a one size fits all. So we need different mechanisms. And SPRAVATO was the only depressant ever awarded breakthrough designation by the FDA. Twice, we got priority review too. So it's really a new step forward.
Now, how does it work? It's thought to work by affecting neuroplasticity, which is what the psychedelics are thought to do, right? Different mechanisms, SPRAVATO works through a thing called NMDA receptors. The psychedelics is not entirely clear, but there's theories that it might be a certain type of serotonin receptor. But the idea is you're affecting this phenomenon called neuroplasticity, and that's where this may be then giving this real breakthrough in terms of getting at that really treatment-resistant depression as well as maybe the more durability because you're actually changing the connections of the neurons.
In the case of SPRAVATO, we have data showing that 50% of patients stay at remission for 5 years on SPRAVATO. They need to take it a different schedules, some are once a week, some are twice a week, different schedules for different people, but great durability for an antidepressant, if you think about it. So real breakthrough. I decided to have that in our armamentarium with other mechanisms now to try to help patients battling with depression.
This just occurred to me, but is there the possibility that over time, as the drug gets better characterized to lessen the need to do the inhalation -- the nose inhalation at home potentially for patients?
Yes. I think we could see it moving that way. The issue was that sometimes when patients initially take SPRAVATO, they have these dissociative out-of-body like sensations. They typically last only minutes. And some patients don't even get them at all or they only get them on the first few doses. So I think it's something that we will be continuing to have conversations with the regulatory authorities around, is there opportunity to start bringing this more into the home as opposed to having to go to the clinic and sit in a quiet room while you wait for 2 hours for your post years SPRAVATO [ snorch ] so to speak to see how you're faring.
Okay. Maybe we'll pivot to multiple myeloma. You've got arguably an embarrassment of rich with assets here, right? I guess the one thing that I really struggle with -- on the one hand, BCMA-directed therapies, the book says, go with the CAR T first because you'll have lessened efficacy if you use a BCMA-directed bispecific in advance of that, right? But you have data now for both modalities that look pretty competitive, right? And I think you guys have said we're just going to get patients choices and providers choices, right? If you want a one and done, we've got the option for you. And if you want as a community oncologist, not that this is what you all per se, but like community oncologists don't want to give up their patient, right? That's just a practical reality of that, right? So how do you see this playing out?
Well, as you said, we have a lot of tools to work with 5 approved therapies, more in the pipeline. And it is becoming a very dynamic space in terms of how the therapies can come together. That's what we've been doing now is to bring them together in combinations in different lines of therapy. We started the journey with VELCADE, the world's first proteasome inhibitor. And then behind that, [ daratumumab ], DARZALEX, the first biologic for myeloma, the CD38.
And even with those 2 combined with other medicines, when we started this journey at J&J, the average life expectancy of a myeloma patient was 2 years. Now with DARZALEX, VELCADE plus other meds the life expectancy for the transplant eligible is almost 2 decades. And for the transplant ineligible almost a decade, so even there, we have achieved enormous benefits for patients. But we're not stopping there, bringing now the T cell engagers TECVAYLI, our first-in-class BCMA. TALVEY, our first-in-class GPRC5D.
These, together with DARZALEX in earlier lines or giving miraculous data, the most recent approval was for TECVAYLI, where in second line, the data were so impressive that the FDA called us and said, may we offer you a commissioners priority review voucher because we'd like to get this to the American people as fast as possible, 55 days from submission to approval and just unprecedented progression for an overall survival data is seen, now we want to move into frontline, where we've been doing pilot studies and seeing that if we can combine a T cell engager, which could be [ TECVAYLI, TALVEY ] or now we have a trispecific Ramantamig that does both [ TECVAYLI, TALVEY ] in a single molecule with Dara we can get 100% MRD negativity. So minimal residual disease negativity, which that was recognized as a valid surrogate endpoint by the FDA last year for progression-free survival.
So really excited about involving these paradigms, T cell engagers, [ Dara ] in the frontline, CARVYKTI, CAR T cells probably for second line, but even there, who knows one of our investigators at [ Dana Farber ] took patients with smoldering myeloma, gave them CARVYKTI 20 out of 20 have minimal residual disease negativity, no evidence of disease, one-and-done treatment, nipping it in the bud. So there's so many opportunities now to offer patients different ways to try to tackle these.
So as you say, you're testing a lot of permutations in frontline. And if we think about the frontline strategy, do you think MRD would be enough to both enable accelerated approval, but ultimately, be practice changing for physicians to want to adopt. There are certain settings, right, of oncology, right, where you could get by on PFS, but if you don't have a OS data, you're not getting used or you're not getting used at a high rate. So when you think about the maybe the commercial bar, right, for frontline, is MRD enough?
We would always do PFS and OS as well, although it would be nice if the FDA would allow us to have an accelerated approval based on MRD, but we would continue to follow patients. The rest of the world hasn't adopted that standard of MRD might be sufficient. So since we try to bring our patients -- we try to bring our product globally to the patients around the world. We know that we're going to be held to more of the traditional endpoints, but it is exciting to think that, particularly in front line where the current standard of care is so good that you would have to wait a long time to find out.
It is exciting to think that perhaps FDA would allow us to have an accelerated approval so we can bring these innovations to patients faster because we really say we are in the cusp of curing myeloma. And so that would be so exciting if we could use that as a way to just get these new combinations to the patients even faster.
Yes. Well, we've got less than 2 minutes here. So maybe ahead of ASCO RYBREVANT you've got some data in head and neck -- what is the OrigAMI-4 trial Cohort 1, right? That's described in the title as pivotal data. So maybe if you can just set the table because as we think about sort of the opportunities beyond lung cancer, head and neck and CRC have been flagged as big opportunities. And just trying to think through your second-line monotherapy strategy and if these data are filable?
Yes. No, we think they could be. So RYBREVANT just contextualized as a bispecific antibody that neutralizes the 2 growth factor receptors approved in lung cancer for EGF receptor mutant. It was the first bispecific ever approved for a solid tumor indication incidentally. In head and neck, which is the eighth most common cancer, we saw really promising data. KOLs just tell us they've never seen a more active agent in head and neck. So the first entry is in patients who failed frontline so that they're in second line. The bar gets where going, typically, those patients have been treated with either cetuximab or taxanes and overall response rates 10% to 20% on a good day. So that's the bar. And that's why I think the FDA is open even a single mono study, which is where we have breakthrough designation.
So at ASCO, you'll be able to see what kind of responses and durability of responses we're able to bring there. We also, I think, are going to show some of our pilot data in frontline where we're doing combo pembro and Oxaliplatin in frontline and then going against the standard of care regimen, the chemo immunotherapeutic standard of care there, too. That regimen only has overall response rates of about 30 to 35 and the durability of less than 7 months.
So we'll see what RYBREVANT brings. You'll get a little hint of he data, but super excited about RYBREVANT possibility to really create the next standard of care in head and neck. And then we're also pursuing in colorectal. We've got 2 big Phase III studies going there, one in frontline, one in second line. So RYBREVANT is just getting started,.
Awesome. Well, thank you so much. We're out of time, but I appreciate the conversation.
Right, Jason. Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — Bank of America Global Healthcare Conference 2026
Fireside-Chat: Johnson & Johnson betont breite, datengetriebene Pipeline mit Fokus auf Onkologie, Immunologie und Neurowissenschaften sowie ausgewogene BD-Strategie.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Fokus: Johnson & Johnson konzentriert sich auf Oncology, Immunology und Neuroscience als Kerntherapiegebiete und verfolgt eine Balance aus interner Entdeckung und externen Zukäufen.
- BD/Intern: Strategie zielt auf ~50/50 Mischung; aktuell ~60% der Entwicklungsprojekte intern begonnen, aber viele mit Kollaborationen gestartet.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Gezielte Zukäufe: Beispiel Halda-Akquisition (RIPTAC-Oralansatz für Prostatakrebs): Phase‑III‑Asset plus Plattformchemie zur Ausweitung in Onkologie.
- Kombinationstherapien: DUET‑Programm kombiniert TNF‑Inhibitor mit IL‑23‑Antikörper (Co‑antibody), zeigt synergistische molekulare Effekte und akzeptables Sicherheitsprofil; weiter in Phase‑III (Ulcerative Colitis) bzw. nahtloses Phase IIb/III in Crohn's.
- Plattformbreite: Interne Bispezif-/Trispezif‑Technologien plus orale Programme ermöglichen sowohl interne Entwicklung als auch gezielte externe Zukäufe.
🆕 Neue Informationen
- ICOTYDE: Orales IL‑23‑Rezeptorpeptid, in Psoriasis bereits zugelassen mit Biologic‑ähnlicher Wirksamkeit und sauberem Label (keine Labormonitoring-/TB‑Pflicht); IBD‑Dosis noch offen, Studien laufen.
- DUET‑Next: Direkter Wechsel in Phase‑III für Ulcerative Colitis; Crohn's mit nahtlosem Phase IIb/III; zusätzliche Studie in Psoriasis‑Arthritis geplant.
- Onkologie‑Assets: Vielstufige Myelom‑Pipeline (TECVAYLI, TALVEY, CARVYKTI, Trispezif) und RYBREVANT‑Daten für Kopf‑Hals‑CA vor ASCO; MRD (minimal residual disease) wird als potenzieller beschleunigender Surrogatmarker diskutiert.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Regulatorik: Interaktion mit der Food and Drug Administration (FDA) ist konstruktiv; Thema Beschleunigung von IND‑Prüfungen und Überdenken klinischer Anforderungen.
- Kommerzielle Adoption ICOTYDE: Nachfrage zu Dosisstrategie in IBD, Markt‑Expansion gegenüber Biologika und praktische Akzeptanz durch Dermatologen wegen cleanem Label.
- Sequenzierung/Myelom: Wie sich CAR‑T vs. BCMA‑Engager und Frontline‑Strategien mit MRD‑basierten Zulassungen wirtschaftlich und medizinisch auswirken; J&J plant umfassende Kombinationsstudien.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: J&J präsentiert eine breite, klinisch aktive Pipeline mit klarer BD‑+‑Internal‑Balance und mehreren nahen Katalysatoren (ICOTYDE, DUET‑Phase‑III, SPRAVATO‑Kommerz, RYBREVANT, Myelom‑Programme). Chancen liegen in Marktvergrößerung und First‑in‑class‑Positionen; Risiken bleiben regulatorische Unsicherheiten, kommerzielle Durchdringung in IBD und Konkurrenz bei Kombinationstherapien.
Johnson & Johnson — Q1 2026 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, and welcome to Johnson & Johnson's First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]
I will now turn the call over to Johnson & Johnson. You may begin.
Hello, everyone. This is Darren Snellgrove, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson & Johnson. Welcome to our company's review of business results for the first quarter of 2026, and our financial outlook for the full year.
First, a few logistics. As a reminder, today's presentation and associated schedules are available on the Investor Relations section of the Johnson & Johnson website. at investor.jnj.com.
Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, the company's future operating and financial performance, market position and business strategy. You are cautioned not to rely on these forward-looking statements, which are based on the current expectations of future events using the information available as of the date of this recording and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. The description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2025 Form 10-K, which is available at investor.jnj.com and on the SEC's website.
Additionally, several of the products and compounds discussed today are being developed in collaboration with strategic partners or licensed from other companies. This slide acknowledges those relationships.
Moving to today's agenda, Joaquin Duato, our Chairman and CEO, will discuss our business performance and growth drivers. I will then review the first quarter sales and P&L results. Joe Wolk, our CFO, will then close by sharing an overview of our capital allocation priorities and updated guidance for 2026. Jennifer Taubert, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, Innovative Medicine. John Reed, Executive Vice President, Innovative Medicine Research and Development; and Tim Schmid, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, MedTech, will be joining us for Q&A. To ensure we provide enough time to address your questions, we anticipate the webcast will last approximately 60 minutes.
With that, I will now turn the call over to Joaquin.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We said 2026 would be a year of accelerated growth and impact for Johnson & Johnson and with our strong Q1 performance, including our bid on consensus and raised guidance, you can see we are delivering on that promise.
In the first three months of the year, we delivered operational sales growth of 6.4%. Our focus on areas of high innovation, high unmet need and high growth is delivering results today and for the future. Across each of our 6 key businesses: Oncology, Immunology, Neuroscience, Cardiovascular, Surgery and Vision, we have multiple differentiated assets to drive sustained growth and a strong competitive advantage. Our success is fueled by the strongest portfolio pipeline in the history of Johnson & Johnson. We currently have 28 platforms or products that generate at least $1 billion in annual revenue and we are aiming to add even more. Our unique combination of innovative medicine and MedTech, together with strong execution and industry-leading investment in innovation is delivering resilient growth. We are on track to meet our 2026 target of $100 billion in annual revenue for the first time and we are confident our progress will continue to improve into 2027 with line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
Let's start with Innovative Medicine where we delivered operational sales growth of 7.4% in the quarter with 10 brands growing double digits. In Oncology, we are aiming to cure and treat more cancers with the world's leading portfolio and pipeline. DARZALEX remains the gold standard in multiple myeloma and our #1 product with sales of $4 billion and operational sales growth of 18%. CARVYKTI, TECVAYLI and TALVEY also continued to deliver high double-digit growth reflecting the importance of our multiple myeloma portfolio across the full treatment journey. Progress in our pipeline accelerated in Q1 with the FDA approval of TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX FASPRO for relapsed or refractory multiple myeloma. That positions the regimen as a potential new standard of care as early as second line.
In soli tumors, RYBREVANT FASPRO received FDA approval for subcutaneous monthly dosing for patients with EGFR mutated non-small cell lung cancer. RYBREVANT also received FDA breakthrough therapy designation in advanced head and neck cancer with new data showing overall response rate in first-line recurrent or metastatic head and neck cancer when combined with immunotherapy. The treatment is being further evaluated in the ongoing Phase III OrigAMI-5 study.
And in high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer, INLEXZO is outperforming all recent launches based on unique patients treated in the first 6 months post approval.
In immunology, we continue to raise the bar in a category we have built for more than 3 decades from single innovations like REMICADE and STELARA to now a dual powerhouse of ICOTYDE and TREMFYA. TREMFYA had another very strong quarter with sales up 64%. It continues to be the fastest-growing IL-23 therapy in the U.S. and is now the share leader new patient starts in inflammatory bowel disease.
And with last month's FDA approval of ICOTYDE for the first-line treatment of plaque psoriasis, we are once again transforming the standard of care for immunology patients. ICOTYDE is the first and only IL-23 targeted oral peptide and has the potential to fundamentally change how psoriatic disease is treated by offering a convenient once-daily pill. The full launch of ICOTYDE took place the same day as approval with the first patient receiving treatment that very day. While it is just the beginning, we're already seeing strong demand through our patient hub. Together, ICOTYDE and TREMFYA create a complementary category shaping portfolio. ICOTYDE is the first choice systemic treatment and TREMFYA is the first choice biologic treatment for patients with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. ICOTYDE has the potential to be one of our largest products ever. TREMFYA is projected to deliver more than $10 billion in peak year sales.
In neuroscience, we are focused on meaningfully improving outcomes in mental health. The U.S. launch of CAPLYTA in adjunctive major depressive disorder is building momentum and SPRAVATO continues its strong growth trajectory.
Now let's turn to Medtech, where we reported Q1 operational sales growth of 4.6% with growth across all of our key focus areas. In cardiovascular, we are investing in the growing need for complex interventions. Johnson & Johnson is the market leader in heart recovery circulatory restoration and electrophysiology and we continue to deliver sustained growth. In heart recovery, Abiomed had another strong quarter as this shows with in circulatory restoration. And in electrophysiology, VARIPULSE our post-field ablation platform for atrial fibrillation keeps building momentum. Our confidence of continued leadership in electrophysiology was further strengthened by our recent launch of VARIPULSE Pro in Europe with 5x faster ablation, which helps streamline procedures and improve efficiency as well as our recent [ VARIPULSE ] 12 months data presented just a few days ago, we show a strong safety profile with zero reported strokes.
We also continue to receive strong feedback in Europe for our Dual Energy THERMOCOOL SMARTTOUCH SF Catheter which we expect to launch in the U.S. later this year, having recently submitted a complete platform to FDA. And finally, we recently announced 12-month data for OMNYPULSE, our large focal tip PFA catheter, showing positive outcomes, no safety events and 100% procedural success rate.
In surgery, our strong performance reflects the deep levels of trust and our expanding presence in the operating room. In Q1, we made progress on our OTTAVA robotic surgical system, and we are building on our recent de novo filing for approval with a second investigational device exemption trial now underway for inguinal hernia repair.
In Vision, we are restoring sight to its healthiest state with expanding access globally for our ACUVUE OASYS MAX disposable lenses for presbyopia and astigmatism and our TECNIS intraocular lenses. Most significantly, we received FDA approval of TECNIS PureSee, the first and only extended depth of focus intraocular lens in the U.S. to maintain contract sensitivity comparable to a monofocal lens. 97% of patients reported no very bothersome visual disturbances like halos or glare.
As you can see, we are off to a fast start in 2026, building momentum that will accelerate our impact and growth throughout the year and for the balance of the decade. The depth of our portfolio and pipeline has never been stronger, and I'm confident we'll continue to deliver on our commitments for 2026 and beyond.
And with that, I will turn the call back over to Darren.
Thank you, Joaquin. Moving to our financial results. Unless otherwise stated, the percentages quoted represent operational results and therefore, exclude the impact of currency translation.
Starting with Q1 2026 sales results. Worldwide sales were $24.1 billion for the quarter. Sales increased 6.4% despite an approximate 540 basis point headwind from STELARA. Excluding STELARA, Johnson & Johnson grew double digits for the quarter. Growth in the U.S. was 8.3% and 3.9% outside of the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact on worldwide growth of 110 basis points primarily driven by the Intra-Cellular acquisition.
Now turning to earnings. For the quarter, net earnings were $5.2 billion and diluted earnings per share were $2.14 versus $4.54 a year ago. Adjusted net earnings for the quarter were $6.6 billion, and adjusted diluted earnings per share were $2.70 representing a decrease of 1.4% and 2.5%, respectively, compared to the first quarter of 2025. I will now comment on business sales performance in the quarter focusing on the 6 key areas where meaningful innovation is driving our performance and fueling long-term growth.
Beginning with innovative medicine where our financial results reflect the depth of our expertise and innovation in areas of high unmet need across oncology, immunology and neuroscience. Worldwide sales of $15.4 billion increased 7.4% despite an approximate 920 basis point headwind from STELARA which underscores the continued strength of our key brands and new launches. Growth in the U.S. was 9.6% and 4.3% outside of the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact of 180 basis points on worldwide growth primarily due to the Intra-Cellular acquisition.
In oncology, starting with multiple myeloma, DARZALEX growth was 17.8%, primarily driven by strong share gains of 5.9 points across all lines of therapy with nearly 12 points in the frontline setting as well as market growth. CARVYKTI achieved sales of approximately $600 million with growth of 57.4%, driven by share gains and continued site expansion. TECVAYLI growth was 30.1% with sequential growth of 14.2%, driven by launch uptake and share gains from expansion in the community setting as well as the U.S. approval of TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX FASPRO. TALVEY growth was 72.8%, driven by share gains through expansion in the community setting.
In Lung Cancer, RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE delivered sales of $257 million and growth of 80.5% driven by continued launch uptake in all regions, share gains and rapid uptake in RYBREVANT FASPRO. Share gains in both the first and second lines continue to drive strong sequential growth of 18.8%.
In prostate cancer, ERLEADA delivered strong growth of 16.2% due to continued share gains and market growth.
Within immunology, TREMFYA delivered impressive growth of 63.8%. Our IBD launch is driving significant momentum, and we continue to see share gains across all indications as well as market growth. STELARA declined 61.7% driven by share loss due to biosimilar competition, increasing adoption of novel classes and unfavorable patient mix.
In neuroscience, SPRAVATO grew 44.5% and driven by continued strong demand from physicians and patients. CAPLYTA, which was acquired in Q2 of 2025 as part of the Intra-Cellular acquisition, delivered sales of $270 million for the quarter with continued strong momentum in our aMDD launch. Since aMDD approval in the U.S., CAPLYTA has had its highest ever new patient start volumes across all indications.
Now moving to MedTech, where we delivered growth across each of our key focus areas, cardiovascular, surgery and vision. Worldwide sales of $8.6 billion increased 4.6% with a growth of 5.9% in the U.S. and 3.2% outside of the U.S. Divestitures had a net negative impact of 10 basis points on worldwide growth.
In Cardiovascular, electrophysiology delivered growth of 9.5%, driven by our newly launched products, including VARIPULSE and commercial execution. Abiomed delivered growth of 14.4%, with continued strong adoption of the Impella technology. Shockwave delivered strong double-digit growth of 18.1% driven by continued adoption of coronary and peripheral products.
Surgery grew 1.2% despite a negative impact of approximately 30 basis points from divestitures. Growth was driven by strength of the portfolio and commercial execution in biosurgery and wound closure, partially offset by planned surgery transformation impacts and competitive pressures in energy and endocutters as well as VBP in China across the portfolio.
In Vision, contact lenses and other products grew 2.7%, driven by strong performance in the ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day family of products, as well as strategic price actions, further solidifying our leadership position. Surgical Vision grew 6%, driven by new product innovations, robust demand for premium IOLs and strong commercial execution, partially offset by competitive pressures in the U.S.
Orthopaedics growth this quarter was 3.2% primarily driven by new product launches and strong commercial execution.
Now turning to our consolidated statement of earnings for the first quarter of 2026. I'd like to highlight a few noteworthy items that have changed compared to the same quarter of last year. Cost of goods sold deleveraged by 10 basis points, driven by the impact of tariffs and other operational drivers in the MedTech business, an unfavorable mix in the Innovative Medicine business. This was partially offset by favorable translational currency in the Innovative Medicine business. Selling, marketing and administrative expense deleveraged by 180 basis points, driven by heavier investment in new launches early in the year and increased investment related to the acquisition of Intra-Cellular in the Innovative Medicine business. Research and development remained flat at 14.7% of sales. Interest income and expense was a net expense of $43 million as compared to $128 million of income in the first quarter of 2025. The decrease in income was driven by a lower average cash balance and a higher average debt balance. Other income and expense was a net expense of $294 million as compared to $7.3 billion of income in the first quarter of 2025 with the change primarily driven by the approximate $7 billion talc reserve reversal in the first quarter of 2025. Tax rate on a GAAP basis in the first quarter of 2026 was 12.6% compared to 19.3% in the first quarter of 2025. This was primarily driven by the reversal of the talc settlement accrual in the first quarter of 2025, which did not reoccur and discrete tax benefits associated with employee equity programs in the first quarter of 2026.
Lastly, I'll direct your attention to the box section of the slide, where we have also provided our income before tax, net earnings and earnings per share adjusted to exclude the impact of intangible amortization expense and special items.
Now let's look at adjusted income before tax by segment for the quarter. Innovative Medicine margin declined from 42.5% to 39.7%, primarily driven by heavier investment in new launches early in the year. Unfavorable product mix and certain favorable onetime items recorded in 2025, partially offset by favorable translational currency. MedTech margin declined from 25.9% to 22.3% primarily driven by the impact of tariffs in cost of products sold and certain favorable onetime items recorded in 2025. As a result, adjusted income before tax for the enterprise as a percentage of sales decreased from 36.6% to 32.5%.
This concludes the sales and earnings portion of the call, and I will now turn the call over to Joe.
Thanks, Darren. Hello, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. As Joaquin noted, we are seeing good momentum across our business, powered by our industry-leading portfolio, sustained investment in innovation and disciplined execution. We continue to advance our pipeline by bringing innovative new treatments to patients, which will meaningfully improve patient outcomes and fortify future performance, giving us a clear line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
Turning to cash and capital allocation. We ended the first quarter with approximately $22 billion of cash and marketable securities and $55 billion of debt for a net debt of approximately $33 billion. Free cash flow in the first quarter was approximately $1.5 billion. Clearly, this suggests a run rate below our full year projection as Q1 reflects payment timing changes on certain U.S. rebate programs and increased U.S. capital expenditures. However, these were expected, and we remain confident in our full year free cash flow outlook of approximately $21 billion. Our strong financial position and cash flow generation provides a competitive advantage, enabling us to maintain a consistent approach to capital allocation and investment in future innovation.
Since announcing our plans to invest $55 billion in U.S.-based manufacturing technology and research and development through early 2029, we are well on our way to reaching that target. Through the end of 2025, we invested roughly $12 billion or 22% of the $55 billion with significant investment already underway in 2026. Our manufacturing investments include facilities in North Carolina and Pennsylvania, and we will have more announcements to come in upcoming quarters.
Lastly, we recognize our shareholders value a growing dividend. Today, we were pleased to announce the Board of Directors' authorization for a 3.1% increase to an annual rate of $5.36 per share, our 64th consecutive year of dividend growth.
Turning now to full year 2026 guidance. We are increasing our operational sales guidance to be in the range of 5.9% to 6.9%, with a midpoint of $100.2 billion or 6.4%. As noted last quarter, our financial calendar in 2026 includes a 53rd week, which provides a benefit of approximately 100 basis points. We do not speculate on future currency movements and last quarter, we utilized the euro spot rate relative to the U.S. dollar of $1.17. As of last week, the euro spot rate to the U.S. dollar has stayed relatively flat, with modest benefit from other major currencies. As a result, we estimate reported sales growth between 6.5% to 7.5% with a midpoint of $100.8 billion or 7%.
Turning to other notable items on the P&L. We are maintaining our guidance for adjusted pretax operating margin to improve by at least 50 basis points in 2026. This will be driven by continued operating efficiencies with a portion reinvested to support new product launches and further strengthen the pipeline. As today's Q1 results reflect heavier investment is planned to occur in the first half of the year. As a reminder, our pretax operating margin guidance takes into account the costs from the 53rd week of operations and the announced voluntary agreement with the U.S. government to improve access to medicines and lower cost to U.S. patients. We are maintaining our guidance for net interest expense, net other income and the effective tax rate for the full year.
Turning to adjusted operational earnings per share. We are increasing our guidance by $0.02 to a range of $11.30 to $11.50, representing 5.7% growth at the midpoint. As such, we now expect reported adjusted earnings per share of $11.55 at the midpoint or a growth of 7.1%.
I'll now shift to some qualitative considerations on phasing for your models. As noted last quarter, we anticipate fairly consistent operational sales growth throughout the year with a higher fourth quarter due to the benefit from the 53rd week referenced earlier. In Innovative Medicine, the depth and strength of our portfolio will continue to drive accelerating growth this year. We expect contributions from our newly launched products across oncology, immunology and neuroscience to increase throughout the year. As Joaquin mentioned, we are excited by the launch of ICOTYDE as well as that of INLEXZO, our innovative new therapy for certain types of bladder cancer, which had sales slightly above $30 million in the quarter. On April 1, we received a permanent J-code for INLEXZO reimbursement, which will enable broader patient access and serve as an important catalyst for growth.
In neuroscience, CAPLYTA continued to build momentum following its FDA approval in adjunctive major depressive disorder with new patient starts and total continuing patient growth outpacing the market. We believe this performance supports CAPLYTA's peak annual sales potential of greater than $5 billion, and we look forward to sharing additional data in bipolar mania later this year.
In MedTech, our focus this year is on accelerating the adoption of our recently launched products. ETHICON 4000, our next-generation surgical stapler launched in the U.S. in 2025 is expected to launch in Europe shortly.
In Vision, we continue to expand the TECNIS platform globally and look forward to the U.S. launch of TECNIS PureSee intraocular lens, which enables surgeons to address cataract-related vision loss and presbyopia in a single procedure.
In electrophysiology, VARIPULSE Pro is an innovative step forward, introducing a new faster pulse sequence that reduces ablation time by 85%. We do anticipate some second half impact from volume-based procurement in China for electrophysiology products, which has been factored into our full year guidance.
The Orthopedics business under the leadership of Namal Nawana, delivered a strong first quarter with encouraging momentum across key platforms. We are continuing to make targeted investments in the business and working towards a mid-2027 separation. We look forward to sharing further updates later this year. And as stated last October, we are evaluating all separation vehicles that create shareholder value and set up the DePuy Synthes business for long-term success.
Turning to our pipeline. We have many important catalysts that we are looking forward to in 2026. In Innovative Medicine, we expect regulatory approval for TREMFYA for the inhibition of structural joint damage for patients with psoriatic arthritis. As this chart indicates, we also have many important upcoming data presentations across oncology, immunology and neuroscience including ERLEADA in localized and locally advanced high-risk prostate cancer, INLEXZO in high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer; JNJ-4804 in ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease and CAPLYTA in Bipolar mania.
In MedTech, we anticipate the following approvals and regulatory submissions: OTTAVA Robotic Surgical System, VARIPULSE Pro in the U.S.; ETHIZIA in biosurgery and the Dual Energy THERMOCOOL SMARTTOUCH SF catheter in the U.S.
Before we move to Q&A, we'd like to thank our colleagues around the world for delivering another solid quarter. Their execution continues to optimize our portfolio, advance our pipeline and deliver on our mission of improving and saving lives. Our diversified portfolio, robust pipeline and strong financial foundation position us to drive accelerating and sustainable growth while creating near- and long-term value for shareholders. Speaking of long term, we look forward to providing an in-depth look at our long-term strategy and the driving forces behind our path to double-digit growth. Please mark your calendars for December 8, the date of our Enterprise business review.
With that, we are happy to take your questions. Kevin, can you please open the call for Q&A?
[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley.
2. Question Answer
Great. Congrats on all the progress. I had a 2-part one on ICOTYDE. I was just wondering if you can remind us of how you're positioning that drug in the market now that have full details on the label and pricing? And also, how should we think about the ramp of reimbursement coverage there and any sampling plans?
Thanks. Well Good morning, Terence. Hello, everyone. And I just wanted to start with a big thanks to the entire innovative medicine team throughout the world, really strong results in the first quarter with over $15 billion in net sales 7.4% operational growth really importantly, [ 11k ] brands delivering double-digit growth. And if you take a look at what is now 96% of our business that is not including STELARA, we actually grew at 16.6%. So really nice accelerating growth across the portfolio.
So I'm thrilled to talk about ICOTYDE, really one of our outstanding products. And I've got to tell you it's off to a very fast start. The product was approved in March. And we're really, really happy with what we believe is a very differentiated label for the product is the first and only targeted oral peptide that precisely blocks the IL-23 receptor. ICOTYDE, maybe as a reminder, delivers complete skin clearance, favorable safety and the simplicity of a once-daily pill, and we think it's got the potential to become one of our biggest products. So we were day one launch ready for the product. And in fact, first patient was actually on medication within 24 hours of approval.
We're seeing very strong early enthusiasm from both physicians and patients that reinforce our confidence in the potential for this product. A number of us were out at the AAD meeting as well. And the KOL receptivity to the strength and the simplicity of the label has been really encouraging things like no lab monitoring, the TV language that reflects the physician clinical judgment, no black box or drug interactions, really is giving us good confidence that this is going to be really the preferred choice and first choice for systemic therapy.
In terms of early uptake, we're seeing so far about 1,500 patients already that prescriptions have been written for that are going into access and patient support service center, so already 1,500 and already over 1,000 unique customers that are writing. In terms of payers, our goal is to have both early and broad access. And we're in the middle of a very, very positive conversations with them to try to drive that early and very broad access. So more to come on that.
In terms of the positioning. I can't think of a better portfolio than being able to have both ICOTYDE and TREMFYA for our folks and really for patients with ICOTYDE being the first and only targeted oral peptide is really going to become the preferred first-line systemic therapy. We know there are so many patients that keep cycling and cycling on topical therapies. Now the international psoriasis Foundation guidelines have changed so that patients after 2 topicals and trials of 4 weeks each really become eligible for systemic and advanced therapies. And so we think ICOTYDE fits right in this sweetspot as that first choice systemic.
Likewise, TREMFYA holds a really unique and distinct position as well. And that really is the first choice biologic. And so TREMFYA is both structurally and functionally different from the other IL-23s. We've been able to demonstrate really durable complete skin clearance and in our case here, it's the first and only IL-23 that's got significant inhibition of structural damage. So we think it's really the first choice biologic, especially in patients that have active or suspected PSA or psoriatic arthritis. So we think that with that 1-2 punch, we have got the portfolio for psoriatic disease in patients and are really excited about both agents going forward.
Maybe I would just add one other thing, John Reed here, our study of ICOTYDE in psoriatic arthritis, should read out later this year. That's important given that about 1/3 of patients with psoriasis also develop psoriatic arthritis. And the studies in inflammatory bile diseases, Crohn's and colitis are often rolling that Phase III program.
Our next question is coming from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo.
Congrats on a nice start to the year here. Tim, sentiment in the medical device space is relatively low right now because of a number of headwinds and concerns. You posted a respectable growth rate this quarter, but it was slightly below the Q4 growth rate and the comp in Q1 was relatively easy. So my question is, what are you seeing in your end markets? And how are you thinking about the remainder of the year?
Let me jump right in and say that, as you know, we've been very clear, Larry, in articulating our strategy, which is focused on higher growth and higher innovation markets, and that includes our deliberate choice to prioritize our 3 focus areas of Cardiovascular, Vision and Surgery as we separate Ortho. And I can confidently say that, that strategy is working. And in short, while we're navigating a dynamic world and market like everybody else for us, Q1 unfolded as we expected the year to start seasonally quieter but operationally solid, and this was also not a one business or one region quarter, as you've seen by the results, we saw growth across the board. And overall, we're pleased with the 4.6% operational growth, especially given that Q1 is typically our most seasonally subdued quarter.
And I think it's also worth noting, Larry, that while there were some easier year-over-year comparisons this by no means throughout the quarter. Specifically, the 210 basis points of onetime impact we referenced in Q1 of last year, which you will recall was a bit of a noisy quarter were almost entirely related to the items that occurred in 2024. And so those prior year events temporarily depressed the year-over-year growth rate, creating a [ lighter comparator ] but they did not affect on the underlying dollar sales. And so onetime items from 2024 fully lapped last year, and our Q1 performance reflects underlying operational execution and normal seasonality rather than any benefit from prior one-timers.
So I'd say in summary, Larry, overall, Q1 played out largely as we anticipated, balancing normal seasonality with solid execution. And most importantly, nothing in the quarter changes our confidence in further acceleration as we look towards Q2 and the remainder of 2026. And we've got a lot of growth catalysts to be proud of.
What I will say in terms of the underlying market is that it's solid and underlying demand is what we expected. Now we did see some procedural softness early in the quarter, but nothing that we would define really as material while certain regions, particularly here in the U.S., you will recall, we experienced some periods of severe weather in late January and early February. That was largely consistent with normal seasonal patterns and while there was some localized impact on procedure volumes due to poor weather in parts of the business, we would not categorize them as material or meaningful at an overall level. And so what I'm proud of is our teams are highly experienced in managing these types of short-term disruptions and our supply chain, our clinical support and commercial teams work closely with health care providers to maintain continuity of service and support patient care.
And so in short, Larry, a strong quarter for us, consistent with our expectations, and we believe strongly in the robustness of our end markets. Thank you.
The next question today is coming from Asad Haider from Goldman Sachs.
Great. Congrats on yet another solid quarter. For Joaquin, just going back to the goal of double-digit top line growth towards the end of the decade, that's still not something that's getting reflected in consensus models. And in light of your comment earlier that ICOTYDE could be one of your largest products ever, that would suggest an opportunity of at least $10 billion. So any updated views on what you see as the key product variances versus the Street looking towards the end of the decade? And related, how important is the BD lever in that growth algorithm?
Thank you very much. And look, again, as you can see, we are off to a fast start with momentum that will accelerate throughout the year in 2027. And as you mentioned, with line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade. And I think it's a fair question. How is that possible for a company that this year in 2026 is going to deliver more than $100 billion. This is grounded in reality, as a matter of fact, it's already happening today. If you look at the first quarter of 2026, we are already delivering double-digit growth as total Johnson & Johnson when you exclude the STELARA. So it's already happening today. And it's based on our Pro portfolio and pipeline, the strongest in our history. And also, as the decade progresses we are going to see increasing impact in our revenue of our new product launches that are largely derisked in particular, as you mentioned, there's still an underestimation of the potential of ICOTYDE, in psoriatic arthritis and IBD, the potential of RYBREVANT in non-small cell lung cancer, head and neck, where we got breakthrough resignation on colorectal cancer and finally, the potential of INLEXZO in high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer. By the way, INLEXZO got the J-code earlier in April. So I believe those are 3 particular products that remain underestimated that are already marketed.
The same is true in MedTech where launches, especially in cardiovascular, including our next-generation PFA catheters and Impella ECP, along with OTTAVA in robotic surgery are not yet fully reflected as well as the fact that the separation of orthopedics will further lift our growth rates. So I think you -- when you take into consideration all those factors, you are going to get into a similar conclusion of double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
Further, I would say that the strong sales growth will also drive operating leverage that will be further amplified when the U.S. DARZALEX royalties roll off in 2029. So taken together, this creates what some of you have called the cleanest growth story in health care. And we are going to be providing additional details in our enterprise review that will take place in December as we have announced today.
Regarding BD, let me be clear, all these numbers do not include business development. This is based in the strong portfolio pipeline that we have today that is largely the risk, which increases the confidence in our ability to get there. When it comes to business development, I mean, that remains an important part of our capital allocation. As a matter of fact, I would say we have been ahead of the curve in our investments in M&A with the acquisitions during the last 2.5 years of Abiomed, Shockwave and intracellular. As I have commented in multiple times, our sweetspot remains early-stage deals like the one we did earlier this year with Halda Therapeutics, which brings a new platform in our oncology business. And at the same, I have to say that given the situation that I just described, our priority from a capital allocation perspective, our priority is to invest behind our portfolio of new product launches and our promising pipeline programs. So that's our priority today. We remain opportunistic from a business development standpoint but we do not depend on M&A to be able to deliver on that promise.
So in summary, we see both revenue growth and operating margins improving and we reaffirm that we have line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
Our next question today is coming from Chris Schott from JPMorgan.
Congrats on the progress. I just had a two-parter coming back to ICOTYDE. Maybe the first one, you mentioned 1,500 prescriptions so far. Is there any color on where those customers are coming from as we think about new patients versus those switching off orals versus those switching off injectables? And then just on the bigger picture view of ICOTYDE, as you mentioned, potential for the drug to become one of the company's largest ever. The pathway to get there, should we think about this as a similar dynamic to TREMFYA that skews more towards IBD versus psoriasis or is this one that could have more balanced sales by indication given, as you mentioned, the frontline potential of the drug in the psoriasis setting?
Chris, thanks so much for the question. So in terms of the early information on ICOTYDE. Obviously, it is really early. So we're still getting information and I can tell you that there's a broad range of prescribers for ICOTYDE as we look across the medical community. We don't yet have data that is specific to exactly where that's coming from, what is exactly new, what they're switching off of, et cetera. So hopefully, we'll have greater granularity on that at our next call, next quarter. So obviously, it's pretty new and hot off the press.
I think as we take a look at ICOTYDE, ICOTYDE is going to fit in psoriasis really firmly in that systemic first-line therapy area. And that is also a great opportunity there for market expansion. If you think there are so many patients that are cycling on topicals, they are resistant to moving into biologics for a number of reasons, whether it's needle phobia, perceptions around safety profile and things. We think not only given the size of the current systemic market and having significant impact there, but really being able to expand that broader is going to be key for ICOTYDE's success.
I also think when you think about IBD and having an oral agent, we've got to see the studies pan out. But based on our goals there, we think that, that's going to be a similar very, very large opportunity. I think here, we're going to see maybe more of a balanced scenario given the strength that we really anticipate having in psoriasis, but I think both segments, both psoriatic disease and inflammatory bowel diseases are going to be very big offer a lot of potential and promise for ICOTYDE.
Yes, Chris, maybe just one other comment on that is that across most autoimmune diseases, about 70% to 80% of patients who are eligible for our biologics are not taking one. And so that's why we really think about this market expansion opportunity to offer patients the convenience of a highly effective very safe once a day pill.
Our next question today is coming from Shagun Singh from RBC Capital Markets.
I wanted to touch on some of your growth drivers within the Medical Device business. Abiomed post-ACC, some of our checks are suggesting that within the high-risk population, we could see up to a 30% reduction. How does that compare with your expectation? And it looks like the IDL space is looking to get increasingly more competitive. So how do you manage your market leadership position in that space? And then overall, as I think about all the drivers that you mentioned within medical devices, should we think about MedTech as a high single-digit growth contributor towards the double-digit growth that you've called out for total company by the end of the decade?
Shagun, thank you for the question. And there's a lot in there. Let me try and unpack it. Firstly, we are really excited to be now significantly embedded in the cardiovascular space beyond the leadership position we hold in electrophysiology and with the acquisitions of both Abiomed and Shockwave, we've added to high-growth, high-margin businesses with tremendous trajectory for the future. And, as you know, grew 14%, almost 15% in the first quarter, and this is really driven by rapid adoption of Impella 5.5 and CP and what excites me most going forward is Abiomed's robust pipeline of not only technologies, but ongoing clinical studies showing the benefits of this technology. And you will know that in August of last year, we saw a new data from the DanGer Shock shop randomized controlled trial published in the New England Journal of Medicine, and this really confirmed the long-term survival benefit of Impella. These results found that up to 10 years when compared to the standard of care, routine use of Impella in patients who had a STEMI heart attack with cardiogenic shock lead to an absolute mortality reduction of 16.3%. And to put this in context, when compared with the control arm of 10 years, Impella CP patients gained an average of 600 additional days alive. I mean that is compelling. And so while you're always going to see new data and new studies come about, we believe that our evidence base for the products we have and the indications we have today are absolutely solid and will continue to drive performance in a category where we don't have line of sight to any significant competitor for the foreseeable future.
I'll turn to Shockwave, 18.1% in the first quarter, and we're very pleased with that performance. The IVL market is one we completely have created ourselves through the acquisition of Shockwave and we continue to advance our leadership position. Now clearly, competition is coming. Competition is going to come to any space that is attractive and certainly one as attractive as IVL. But there's 3 reasons that we have confidence in our portfolio and our future. And the first thing really is our portfolio. The second is evidence, and it's our presence. And over the past 7 years, we've had -- we've earned the reputation of an innovative disruptor, launching 9 -- yes, 9 new coronary and peripheral catheters that have introduced a new standard of care when it comes to safely and effectively treating calcified lesions. And as a result, Shockwave IVL has become the preferred treatment strategy in most calcium cases worldwide where it has been used in now more than 1 million cases around the world, and global expansion has also increased since the acquisition as we had transitioned 10 markets to direct sales forces. We've expanded our presence to now cover 17 markets globally with J&J representatives where we can leverage our scale and the broader J&J organization to drive government relations and address any legal and market access opportunities. And while we will never take any competitor for granted, new competitive entrants into the IVL market, validate really Shockwave's robust portfolio in leading specific solutions. And while competitors are introducing some of the versions to our first-generation products from 2017, we're introducing our fifth generation coronary peripheral devices in 2026 and a single catheter offering will be difficult to compete against Shockwave's portfolio strategy and the improvements we've made over the years to reset the standard of IVL. And while new competitors are completing their first regulatory required clinical studies, we're continuing to invest millions in robust real-world clinical evidence with nearly 25,000 patient outcomes published across 600 journals to date, demonstrating our unique safety profile exclusively associated with Shockwave's ultrasonic acoustic platform and what physicians also appreciate is our contact easy-to-use and rechargeable generators, which require minimal capital expenditure. And back to the point of presence, these generators provide widespread access to Shockwave's IVL technology and they're available in almost every cath lab across the United States, and we actually have more than two generators in over 1,700 U.S. hospitals, and so very difficult for competitors to unseat us.
Most importantly, I'd say is we remain hyper-focused on continuing to earn our innovative disruptor reputation with plans to launch at least one new IVL catheter per year that we expect will redefine the future of IVL in new indications and new disease states. And this year, we will launch our C2 Aero new coronary catheter, which from the early feedback we've got from physicians is going to be another standout product.
I think to your final point around long-term prospects. We're excited about our growth profile and the catalysts we have to continue to accelerate MedTech from a mid-single-digit player into a higher single-digit player as we move towards the end of the decade. I will point to some big catalysts, especially in our surgery business. Surgery is one of our larger portfolios. We are a dominant leader, both in the open and laparoscopic space. And we have an expectation to play a big role in the robotics space. As you know, we've submitted OTTAVA for approval. And assuming everything plays out, we expect that by the end of this year, we will be launching not one but two new surgical robotic programs, both with OTTAVA and MONARCH for urology.
Now what we don't expect those programs to be significantly accretive to growth in the short term, they certainly will be accretive as we move to the back half of the decade. So another good example of an important catalyst that will take us from a mid-single-digit player into a higher single-digit player as we look to the back half of the decade.
Your next question is coming from Alexandria Hammond from Wolfe Search.
A few more on ICOTYDE. Can you walk us through the investments you guys are making on prescriber and patient education? And how important do you think advertising will be to kind of engage those new patients who might be nervous to start on a systemic therapy? And then just as a follow-up as well, with ICONIC-ASCEND trial set to read out imminently, how important could this result be those ongoing commercial discussions?
The study you mentioned in the head-to-head against the TYK2 inhibitor is, I think, just illustrates the best-in-disease profile for ICOTYDE in terms of having both that high-level efficacy combined with safety in the once-a-day pill. How much the direct-to-consumer is going to matter, I'm going to let Jennifer answer that question.
Alex, it's safe to say that we are investing big in ICOTYDE to make sure that this brand can do all that it can do for patients. I think that the ease and the simplicity when you combine the clinical profile, the safety, the efficacy and then the ease of the product, we really believe that we've got a winner. And so we're investing to really get off to a very strong launch, that's with all of the appropriate field teams. Additionally, we've invested and built out what we believe are really best-in-class patient access and support services to help patients get on the medicine both get on and be able to stay on. And then we're continuing to evaluate the best way to make sure that both the clinicians, all the appropriate health care providers patients are aware of this important offering. So probably more to come on that, but please know that we're investing what we believe we're investing to win in this area.
Our next question is coming from Joanne Wuensch from Citibank.
Very nice start to the year. I'm going to pause for a moment on the ophthalmology franchise, in particular, your views on the U.S. surgical and U.S. contact lens market. I'm curious in particular about the almost 3% decline in the U.S. Surgical in the quarter and how to think about that recovery throughout the remainder of the year?
Joanne, thank you for the question. Vision overall, delivered a solid first quarter with sales growth of 3.6%, which is really consistent with our expectations. You will recall that business tends to be slower in the first couple of quarters and then accelerate throughout the year. We've seen that over the last couple and certainly, 2025 was no exception. Keep in mind that Q1 is typically our lowest quarter, and we're confident that we will see acceleration through the remainder of the year.
If you break it down into the two component businesses, contact lens grew 2.7%, driven by the ACUVUE OASYS 1-day family. And especially, as you heard earlier from Joaquin, the MAX multifocal products, and these latest launches really complete our family of daily disposables and are solidifying our leadership in the category with exceptional comfort, clarity and stability. And when I look to surgical vision, we grew 6%, driven by normal seasonality. We continue to see strong global momentum in premium IOLs led by TECNIS Odyssey and PureSee where we're outpacing the market globally, and this premium segment remains a key driver of value and differentiation.
I think to your pointed question on U.S. performance, if we look at Surgical Vision growth in the quarter, it was offset in the U.S. due to competitive pressures as new entrants came into the market, which is not unexpected given the fierce stature of this portfolio. We also continue to expect some seasonality in our business as growth won't always be linear. That said, we remain confident in our clinical position with TECNIS Odyssey. And as we prepare for the launch of TECNIS PureSee in the U.S. later this year. And we have seen extremely strong uptake of TECNIS PureSee globally, nearly half -- it's actually almost 0.5 million eyes worldwide have already experienced a clearer uninterrupted vision with this premium IOL and TECNIS PureSee, which received FDA approval, this quarter is the first and only U.S. FDA-approved extended depth of focus IOL with no warning on loss of contrast sensitivity, which is a huge game changer for physicians and the comfort they have in recommending an IOL. In fact, 97% of patients reported no bothersome visual disturbances like halos or glares, which can often occur with other IOLs and we're really excited about the launch of PureSee here in the U.S., which will give surgeons an important new lens option for their patients. And as we continue to focus on the premiumization of our portfolio, we firmly believe that the combination of TECNIS Odyssey, which is in the market and now TECNIS PureSee will be a key driver of value and differentiation. On the back of this, we can confidently say that we expect accelerated growth in the back half of the year for our Surgical Vision business and Vision overall, including here in the U.S. So thank you again for the question.
The next question today is coming from David Risinger from Leerink Partners.
So my question is on JNJ-4804 the coantibody. Could you talk about your vision for its role in IBD treatment paradigms and the readouts that we should be focused on? And then since others have asked multiple questions. Joe, could you just share the [ MFA ] sales like you did in the first quarter for INLEXZO?
Yes. Thanks for the question about 4804. So just to remind the audience, this is our coantibody therapeutic that combines guselkumab, our IL-23 inhibitor, also known as TREMFYA together with our TNF inhibitor, golimumab and we are in a position to potentially be the first with a coantibody therapeutic in the IBD space. Now even with the best of therapies, more than half of patients with IBD do not achieve a complete remission, and so we see for patients where monotherapy is not getting the job done to then offer this dual therapy, the combined therapy is a fixed dose combination. So the Phase II data on that in both Crohn's and Colitis, there were two separate studies will be presented in the coming year at a medical conference. So you'll have an opportunity to see the details of the data there, and that will provide more insights into the specifics around the most ideal patient populations for this kind of co antibody therapeutic. But we're really excited to move this forward now with pace. The Phase III programs are underway and really excited to then try to break through these efficacy ceilings that have limited how many of these patients who battle with inflammatory bowel disease are able to achieve a complete remission and really get that mucosal healing from their therapy.
David, thanks for the extra question there. We actually don't disclose the [ MFA ] sales at this point in time. So more to come on that. We actually have time for one last question.
Certainly, our final question today is coming from Matt Miksic from Barclays.
Great. And congrats again on a really impressive quarter and start to the year. So you mentioned INLEXZO a couple of times, and I know you've talked at length about it in the past. Just wondering if you could give us a sense of what the commercialization plan and rollout looks like for that, given it's a slightly different delivery mechanism than many of your other therapeutics and kind of where you are with that? Any metrics you can provide would be great. And thanks again.
Sure. So maybe as a reminder, despite recent advances in bladder cancer, unmet need in that area really remains significant and this is for bladder sparing options. There's almost 600,000 new patients diagnosed each year and another 400,000 that are recurring. So really, really big market opportunity. We've launched INLEXZO into the BCG unresponsive population and are really excited to be able to move forward in the coming years and to be able to broaden that population. As a reminder, we really designed the product to fit seamlessly into urology practice so that, relatively speaking, easy to insert and to retrieve and fits very, very nicely into practice. So how is the product doing? So INLEXZO's outperforming all the recent launches in the non-muscle invasive bladder cancer space. And that's based on kind of the unique patients that were treated in our first 6 months post approval. 1 in 5 eligible patients are starting on an INLEXZO regimen during the first quarter. And then what I think you really want to know is following our J-code approval which came at the beginning of April. What we saw in the first week was actually a over 50% increase in new patient insertions and the second week we that we have under our belt, we actually saw that jump up to almost 90% increase in new patient insertion. So consistent with what we've articulated on our expectations for this product once there's certainty reimbursement following the J-code, we're seeing play out in practice so far in the first couple of weeks. So very, very excited in that -- in the BCG unresponsive space and look to broaden that into broader populations
Yes. Just to remind with INLEXZO, we achieved the highest complete response rates ever seen for a therapy for non-muscle invasive bladder cancer achieved breakthrough designation from the FDA as well as the rapid review from FDA and in Japan, the PDMA accepted our submission based on the single-arm data, they've never previously accepted a submission based on single arm data just showing how exciting these data are and how much unmet need there is.
I would also draw your attention to INLEXZO is just the beginning. Right behind that, we have the IRDA, intravascular drug-releasing system, this has erdafitinib, that is a small molecule targeted therapy that addresses the intermediate risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer population. There, we achieved in the biomarker-defined population, complete response rates north of 90%. And that device also custom designed to deliver that payload delivers medicine for 3 months compared to INLEXZO, which is 3 weeks. So we just keep getting better and better as we do the next iteration, the next iteration around this intravascular drug-releasing system.
And then in terms of our go-to-market model, this really represents the best of Johnson & Johnson and something that only a company like Johnson & Johnson with both an innovative medicine and a MedTech business. can do and bring to market. So in addition to the product that we've developed and the reimbursement and access support and that the sort of excellence that's coming out of the innovative medicine business, we've really been able to tap into MedTech and their world-class training institutes, their modular training that can literally go to the site of care. And so we're deploying that throughout the United States to make sure that urologists and their practices are up to speed on INLEXZO and fully trained to begin insertion for their patients as they deem fit. So really bringing the best of Johnson & Johnson to bear for this product.
Great. Okay. Thanks, Matt, and thanks to everyone for your questions and your continued interest in our company. I'll now turn the call over to Joaquin for some brief closing remarks.
Thank you, everybody, for joining us today. As you have heard, Johnson & Johnson has the strongest portfolio pipeline in our history, and we are relentlessly focused on innovation that is delivering real impact for patients. With our Q1 performance, we are off to a strong start, reinforcing our confidence in the year ahead and our ability to raise the standard of care in our 6 key focus areas. Thank you for your interest in Johnson & Johnson. We'll see you at our late December, too, to give you more details on these new products that you were asking and enjoy the rest of your day.
Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson & Johnson's First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. You may now disconnect.
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Johnson & Johnson — Q1 2026 Earnings Call
Johnson & Johnson — Q1 2026 Earnings Call
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: $24,1 Mrd (+6,4% operational)
- Adjusted EPS: $2,70 (−2,5% YoY); GAAP EPS $2,14 vs $4,54 Vorjahr
- Innovative Medicine: $15,4 Mrd (+7,4%)
- MedTech: $8,6 Mrd (+4,6%)
- Marktdynamik: DARZALEX $4 Mrd (+≈18%); STELARA −61,7% als deutlicher Gegenwind
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Portfolio & Pipeline: 28 Plattformen/Produkte mit ≥$1 Mrd Umsatz; Management sieht „stärkste Pipeline der Firmengeschichte“ als Wachstumstreiber
- Launch-Fokus: Schnelle Kommerzialisierung von ICOTYDE, TECVAYLI‑DARZALEX Zulassung, RYBREVANT FASPRO und INLEXZO; gezielte Field‑ und Patient‑Support‑Investitionen
- Kapitalallokation: $55 Mrd US‑Investitionen in Fertigung/F&E bis 2029; Orthopädie‑Separation geplant für Mitte 2027
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Umsatz Guidance: Operationale Wachstumsrate 5,9–6,9% (Mittelpunkt $100,2 Mrd); reported 6,5–7,5% (Mittelpunkt $100,8 Mrd)
- EPS & Cash: Adjusted EPS Guidance $11,30–11,50 (↑ $0,02); Free Cash Flow ~ $21 Mrd Jahresziel
- Hinweise & Risiken: 53. Woche ~+100 bps, stärkere Reinvestitionen H1, STELARA‑Biosimilars als kurzfristiger Gegenwind
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- ICOTYDE: Viel Interesse; Management berichtet ~1.500 verschriebene Rezepte bisher, starke Early‑Demand, laufende Verhandlungen mit Kostenträgern; genaue Switch‑Muster noch nicht offengelegt
- INLEXZO: Kommerzielle Dynamik nach J‑Code: Management nennt in Q1 ~20% der Eligible gestarteten Patienten und eine erste Wochensteigerung von +50–90% nach J‑Code
- MedTech‑Nachfrage: Analysten fragten nach Marktsentiment; Management sieht saisonale/regionale Schwankungen, betont Wachstumskatalysatoren (Abiomed, Shockwave, VARIPULSE, OTTAVA)
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Solider Start ins Jahr mit erhöhter Guidance und mehreren kommerziellen Katalysatoren (ICOTYDE, INLEXZO, Onkologie‑Launches). Kurzfristig drücken Reinvestitionen und STELARA‑Verluste, langfristig stützt große Pipeline die Zielsetzung für doppelt‑stellige Wachstumsraten gegen Ende des Jahrzehnts.
Johnson & Johnson — Barclays 28th Annual Global Healthcare Conference
1. Question Answer
Still morning. So good morning, everybody. Very happy to have with us this year from J&J, Hani Abouhalka, Group Chairman of Surgery, otherwise known as the man behind the robot. And my name is Matt Miksic. I cover medtech here at Barclays.
So exciting times at Johnson & Johnson in surgery after a bunch of years, we won't go backwards. We'll go forwards, but a long path with lots of twists and turns, but now kind of a final stretch of potentially getting this robot to market.
So maybe with that kind of perspective, we get a lot of questions sometimes on why does J&J want to have a robot, why do they need to have a robot? What can the robot add? Maybe -- so I know that not everything you put together was in response to the marketplace. But at a high level, maybe frame the sort of objectives of the project and the strategy behind the project as you're currently executing it.
Well, good morning, everyone. Thank you, Matt, for the invite. I'm incredibly honored to be here representing J&J and the many thousands of people working on surgery. It's an incredible conference, and we're glad to be part of it. So thank you.
For people that don't know, maybe I'll spend a few minutes about talking about J&J MedTech surgery. Our company was founded actually in surgery more than 140 years ago. I'll -- it's an anecdote that actually will resonate here. Our founder, Robert Wood Johnson, was attending a Centennial Expo to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the independence of the U.S., which is this year is 250 years. He walked in and Sir Joseph Lister was talking about antiseptic techniques for surgery.
And our founder found an incredible opportunity to go back to New Jersey and years later, found J&J with incredible technologies that changed surgeries since then. Our first catalog had antiseptic gargles, had antiseptic style sutures, which back then, if you walked into OR, it was 50-50 if you survive. And that was the first moment where actually surgery changed.
And we've been at the forefront of surgery changing ever since, whether it's open laparoscopic -- whether open safe surgery across the world, whether it's laparoscopic surgery in the '80s and '90s. And today, we're super excited to be working on bringing robotic surgery to the market.
Why the excitement? It starts off by taking a step back and looking at the last 25-plus years, incredible progress has happened in robotic surgery. But when we talk to surgeons, surgical teams, hospital CEOs, they tell us a lot still needs to happen. There's still a lot of unmet needs. And it starts off really a basic premise from a design perspective.
The world of robotics globally across all companies is stuck in 2 worlds, either booms or cards. And we think there is a different approach to this. We believe there is a unique approach to this. And that's why one of our big bets and choices have been around design. And that's why when we look at Ottava, we're bringing a robot that is actually the table.
The arms are integrated. We believe that design other than -- and if you remember, Matt, you saw it, it's beautiful. But other than it's being beautiful, it also have incredible implications on workflow, on reducing the tension and friction between the surgical team and the robot.
And we believe we've addressed that with our design philosophy and principles. Other than that, we're also excited to be the leaders to really take this forward from here around across all surgery. And that's why this means instruments. It means our digital ecosystem with Polyphonic. We were the company that disrupted and changed surgery over the last 140 years, we believe we're at the moment where we will take this forward from here also.
Okay. So a couple of follow-ups. There's been kind of an evolution of thought in the last 10 years about what the next robot should look like with Intuitive in the marketplace. It's big. Maybe there was a time when maybe there still is a time when folks will say, well, robot should be smaller, maybe smaller for an ASC. There's a number of those filtering through different levels of commercial strategy now from other competitors like separate arms and single arms or more limited footprint. You took the strategy of retractable arms and essentially a bed that can be used for laparoscopy or for robotics. So maybe talk a little bit about why that was important.
Yes. And first, I have to tell you, the physics and engineering behind it is incredible. Our people worked really hard to solve for something that we felt is important other than the design principles that I do believe is important. We felt that having an ability to create space and give back to hospitals and the surgical teams is incredibly powerful.
Think about it this way. Right now, if you go to a hospital, robotic ORs have to be dedicated to robotics. We believe that OR should be ORs to serve all surgery, whether it's open lab and robotics. Our solution, Ottava, the arms are integrated on the table. When you don't need them, they're stored invisibly, you don't see them. When you need them, you can deploy one or multiple arms based on the need of the surgery.
We think that's very powerful choice, and that's incredibly powerful for surgeons to be able to do that. But we didn't stop there. We believe that the ability to have the arms integrated also allows surgeon to use gravity to do manipulation of organs. That's something that's native with our design. You don't need to unlock or relock, you don't need software. The architecture of it allows using gravity, which is something surgeons use comfortably in the laparoscopic minimally invasive setting.
But the other things also we're excited about from Ottava, and that's why we're excited about going forward is also we're bringing our instruments, our technologies that are trusted across open and lab exclusively on Ottava. Recently, we launched in the U.S. last year and this year across the world, our ETHICON 4000. It's our most secure staple line ever. That is important from surgeons and their teams because think about it.
There are surgeons today, 25 years into robotic surgery that they choose to go to the table and do a manual firing using one of our instruments because they trust that staple line. We believe having that consistency of experience across open lab and robotics is very powerful from a surgeon, surgical team perspective, but also from a hospital perspective, you know when complications happen in surgery, and unfortunately, still 25% of surgeries come with post-surgery complications, having a trusted staple, secure staple line is something that will be different and important, not clinically but also economically. We believe that's something that Ottava will also bring.
Last but not least, we also believe that an area of where we looked at where it is today and what needs to go is digital surgery. And we believe that by creating polyphonic from the ground up, it's something that allows us to connect surgery across agnostic from the technologies, our technologies. It's what hospitals and surgeons need and expect, and we can talk about that a bit later also.
Sure. And then maybe you mentioned the ability to keep the OR flexible. From a hospital's perspective, they're performing a certain number of laparoscopy procedures and a certain number of robotic procedures, they're already using your instruments in laparoscopy and elsewhere. What does the introduction of the robot into that platform, let's say, a typical platform that has a mixture of those technologies. What's the value add for a hospital?
Yes. So if you look at the instrument side, I think having that consistency and experience across all modalities, we believe and we know it will be differentiated for surgical teams and hospital administrators from outcomes and procurement, all of that. So that's one lens.
The second lens, if you think about how important a minute in OR is having your ORs work efficiently across all modalities is important. So there is the lens of -- we believe that the table being the robot gives flexibility to ORs across the world where our robot can work natively, if you want. But the second piece in many hospitals, what we hear is that robotic ORs don't work as efficiently as open or lap ORs.
So we believe instead of "having ORs that are dedicated to robotics" and if a case is canceled or postponed, that OR is idle. We believe having that OR being an OR for all surgery is quite powerful. Then the third pillar of this is also this also gives the surgeons flexibility to deploy different arms at different times based on the needs they need.
So not only we're bringing robotic arms, robotic ORs to be in ORs, which is something we believe will work to improve workflow, will improve efficiencies. And that's something surgeons and their teams tell us is important. But most definitely, hospital administrators and CEOs, this is an incredibly important asset for them and have it be working efficiently with less friction, with less special cases is quite powerful.
Okay. That makes sense. And then the natural question, any time someone comes out with a less obstructive, smaller footprint robot, everyone looks at that and says, well, that's got to be great for the ASC because it's smaller. So I'm assuming there's some amount of ASC benefit that you're thinking about and maybe clinicians are thinking about with Ottava.
One of the other elements, of course, is what it's going to take to get this in the door. And so maybe that's changed. The market leader has changed the way they bring their products to their additional systems to hospitals, more leasing, more contracting. Maybe talk a little bit about what you're anticipating that way.
Matt, we're not -- as you would expect, we're not going to share specifics around our commercial launch. There'll be more to share as we come, but I'll say a few things. If you look at our history, when we bring innovation and technology, we bring it with the sole purpose as an Arcredo to serve patients and nurses and surgeons. And we do it across the world. We do it everywhere we are. We're present in more ORs than any other surgery company out there. So that's something that's deeply rooted in who we are and what we do.
So our intention, like we've done in our past, is to be there to serve surgeons and patients where they are across surgery across the globe. We intend to win in surgical robotics, which means we need to be everywhere. Now the design choices we've made gives us some benefits, but not only in site of care, but even I can tell you, I've worked with Genome [indiscernible] across the world, the certain OR designs across different geographies, different regions are different.
So even in hospitals that are entrenched and tertiary centers, ORs don't look the same everywhere. We believe the flexibility of our design and how it fits will be a benefit regardless. But our intention is to serve and be where surgeons are everywhere and be leaders in that space everywhere.
Okay. So to drive utilization and benefit to the clinical team and the patient and so on. That makes sense. So other folks have -- we'll come back to the ecosystem in a second, but other folks have looked at this market and said, well, we don't want to go head-to-head against this market leader in maybe their power alleys or ways in which we think it's hard for us to make an argument that you should be using our technology.
You mentioned a couple in terms of the usability, flexibility, OR commitment. What in terms of the types of procedures again, this is a -- different companies are coming at this differently. Let's go where the most procedures are done in robotics or maybe let's go to a place in robotic surgery, where our design is particularly well suited to perform this procedure, maybe as well or better than the leader. Talk about your procedure strategy.
Yes. And I'd love to talk about that because we're very confident and excited about our strategy from an expansion and geographic indications. I'll talk about that. But also, I think it's important just to take a step back and understand what a defining moment this is because we believe this is the right time based on where we are to bring something that's unique, differentiated and innovative in the U.S. and globally going forward.
And I say that because a lot has changed and improved and good progress over the last 25 years, and we're thankful for that. And any progress in health care is something we cheer on. But also, we believe that listening and talking to surgeons, surgical teams and hospital in sellers, there's still unmet needs we need to solve for.
And we believe bringing this forward, we'll do that. I've been in medtech for 26 years. It's incredibly inspiring to see on the market, cheering from more competition to cheering for you to come in. I think that's something we cherish. And it's a responsibility and accountability we take seriously and doing it right will be something of the utmost importance. Takes me to our choices around expansion geographically and procedures.
I'll start in geography. We chose to come to the U.S. first. That was by design as you know, the U.S. is the largest market. It's a very sophisticated market. And that's a sign of confidence in our program, but also a sign of excitement to bring an incredibly innovative technology to the U.S. market. But also our approach there is to follow it as a close second in key robotic markets like Japan, like countries in Europe, Middle East and Africa.
So that's our lens from a geographic perspective. And what excites me there is being the leader in surgery across the world, we have incredible teams in commercial and education across the world today, and that's something that will help us do that with precision, with incredible partnerships with our partners across the world.
For the procedure expansion, we also -- what we did share is, first, we're going in first for an umbrella indication, and that's what our submission was for upper GI. And that's an umbrella procedure that covers key procedure in upper abdomen. That's exciting and different. And the second -- we also announced earlier this year that we got our IDE to go for inguinal hernia, which is one of the largest procedures in the U.S. and globally. We're not going to stop there, clearly. We have an incredibly strong regulatory team with our clinical team that's working on a rapid expansion from a procedure perspective after that.
Our intent is to be a surgical leader in robotics, which means we need a platform that works across different specialties, and that's what we believe we have with Ottava. And I don't want to miss also the fact that this is a double exciting year because we took robotics, specialty expansion, and this is with the lens of soft tissue robotics, but I don't want to miss also something really exciting happening for us in endoluminal percutaneous robotics, which is Monarch.
It was the first robot in the market for robotic endoscopy. And this year, we shared that we're also on plan to launch it in urology for kidney stones, talking about a new specialty new indication. This will be the first and only robotic endoluminal and percutaneous access for treating something that all of us know someone, friends or family, who have dealt with kidney stones. We think we're bringing meaningful innovation from a specialty procedure. So we're in it for the long term. We're in it to be leaders in a very exciting space for the future.
Okay. So maybe back to the ecosystem. So Intuitive has been building case history, put out case insights a couple of years ago. I think we're still -- as much as we hear about AI, I think we're still in the kind of like loading up Google Earth with data to figure out, okay, how are we going to use those, which I think for Google Maps was a bit more obvious, right?
But where are you in terms of aggregating your data, which is considerable on the laparoscopy side and then thinking about where the combination of that, as you described, and robotic will help starting building a -- I don't know, if it's the best route to -- for the patient or other kinds of features and data-driven value that you can give to clinicians and hospitals.
And this is an area that excites us, inspires us because, first, we're building it from scratch. Two, we have access and reach, and we know surgery across the world better than anyone, and that's incredibly powerful.
We have the trust of our partners and our surgeons to work with them on solving for this. And third and not least by margin, we also have the humility to understand that this is not a problem for one company to solve for. This is going to require a coalition of the willing, if you like, to come in and do something that's incredibly meaningful for surgeons, for patients for outcomes.
And we're building it from the ground up. And we made some choices that are very different than what's available today most solutions today are either siloed or directly linked to certain technologies or certain robots. I'll give you an example. In ORs on average, there's 7-plus software solutions. There's 5-plus data streams. There's 97% of surgeons that tell you they don't have and their teams, they don't have the right data at the right time to make meaningful difference, whether it's for workflows or for clinical decision support. And they say something needs to be better and have to be better, and we believe that.
So we made a bet on building Polyphonic. We created it with this approach of being open, secure, agnostic to whatever the data came from. Yes, clearly, it works seamlessly more with our products and technologies, but it's open to data from whatever it comes. And we're working with incredible tech partners, work with academia, working with hospitals to create the foundations, whether on building the data sets that need to be de-identified, structured in a manner that allows companies, academia, hospital, surgeons to build AI algorithms and automation to bring value that we have not seen yet in this industry.
I can tell you, everyone we talk to, they tell us is what is needed. And we believe what's available right now does not fall for this. We believe this is the right approach.
And everyone I talk to, whether it's CEOs of hospitals, nurses or surgeons, whether it's our tech partners, whether it's academic hospitals, whether it's 2 or 3 company setups, start-ups, this is what is needed. And I urge and ask everybody to come work with us on this journey. It's incredibly rewarding.
Okay. Well, that's exciting. And I mean, the first -- I know it's hard to pin down exactly where and when the benefit is going to come from sort of this seemingly obvious collection of all this historical wisdom and data and doing something with it. But what do you think will be some of the first?
Yes. I mean I'll give you a couple of examples. There are very "basic chapters" that are unfolding as we speak that are big unmet needs today, whether it's in education, whether it's using some of the capabilities to dynamically collaborate across centers, across hospitals. It's around integrating what's hours and hours of surgical video to use them in ways that they can train, whether it's performance analytics. These are very powerful use cases today that makes a difference.
But where the future is headed and what's needed, there's a lot of similarities will happen in other industries. Take, for example, the automotive industry. We understand that to get on a journey where whether it's decision support, whether it's intelligence-guided support, whether it's orchestration, you need to create data sets that are structured, that are identified, that are built on very secure privacy standard regulatory enterprise level, where you can make them available to bring the best of the minds of whether it's AI engineers, whether it's software engineers across the world to build something that not only will help that hospital that OR, but they can actually -- because it's built with scale in mind, that can actually be shared globally.
And the first use cases are exciting. What's possible from surgical video and data science and data engineering and data surgery of this HORIZON 2 and 3, I can tell you in the next 5, 10 years, we'll see stuff we've never seen possible. We've seen it happen in our industry. I go back, this is the right time to do it in surgery again. And I don't know, any better company to do it than us with the help and support of our partners.
Okay. So maybe if we roll forward a year or 2, what do you think investors will see from the surgical business? What will be the signs of success for Ottava as you get to the market and start rolling it out?
Yes. I mean I start by our credo saying when we serve our patients and our surgeons and our surgical teams, it's -- we take it very personal. We're very proud and inspired by that. We never lose sight of that.
Two, we talk about J&J being an innovation powerhouse. Some of the most exciting innovation is in surgery is in J&J, and I think that's something to be really proud of. And we have the [indiscernible] to bring it forward. But also, I start where it matters most, which is if you think about it, we have incredible businesses today that's making a difference in bleeding, in leaks, and solving big issues.
25% of surgeries have complications today. We have a long way to solve for this. What I want to make everyone know is when we bring all our technologies across all of surgery, we will partner with surgeons, hospitals and CEOs to make sure that we're the company that will take it from here and solve for what's next. And the biggest intent starts in robotics specifically you asked about that is to lead in that space.
And the best measure of success other than serving patients, bringing incredible innovation, how competitive we are in our placements going forward. And when we do all of this, we feel incredibly proud and the people are working on something that, once again, like we've done in our past, will change surgery once again.
Okay. So we're down to just about at the bottom here, but I'd say automation, just I'll leave it on this sort of this is a future topic. It's been -- it feels like a future topic, but I think we've been talking to surgeons about it for 10 years, like when does surgery start to take some element of automation. And so you're just about to begin to launch your robotic platform. Is that 3 years away? Is it 5 years away? And what do you think the demand is for that kind of?
Yes. And I'll end what I started. It's super important to realize when you're in a moment of history where you really believe it's a defining moment. We've seen in other industries. I think the acceleration and the intersection of science and technology. Health care will always be driven by incredible science, will always be driven with incredible surgeons and nurses who are dedicated to make a difference for patients.
I think we're entering this moment where bringing the best of both worlds. We're going to see innovation in the next 5 years like we've never seen in the last 50 years. And someone with the resources we have, the talent that we have, the engineers that we have, the scientists we have, the educators that we have, the commercial folks that we have, we just want to partner with our surgeons and our -- whoever is interested in this journey to create what's next. And that's why the future is super exciting. And I can't wait to share with you more and with everyone here what's coming in the coming weeks and months.
All right. Well, I look forward to hearing about it.
Matt, thank you so much for the time. Thank you, for your time.
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Johnson & Johnson — Barclays 28th Annual Global Healthcare Conference
Überblick
Johnson & Johnson MedTech Surgery präsentiert im aktuellen Earnings Call den Stand von Ottava, dem integrierten Roboter-System. Im Mittelpunkt stehen die flexible Nutzung des Operationssaals, die Integration von Instrumenten sowie der Aufbau eines offenen Digital-Ökosystems; Ziel ist eine globale Führungsrolle in der robotergestützten Chirurgie.
Wichtige Kennzahlen
- Umsatz, Gewinn, Margen, EPS etc. — im Transkript wurden keine konkreten Finanzkennzahlen genannt.
- Postoperative Komplikationen: 25% der Operationen führen aktuell zu Komplikationen; Veränderung gegenüber Vorjahr/Vorquartal wird nicht angegeben.
Strategische Ausrichtung
- Ottava-Design: Am Tisch integrierte Roboterarme, die bei Nichtgebrauch unsichtbar verstaut sind; Einsatz je nach Operationsbedarf mit ein oder mehreren Armen; angeblich verbesserte Abläufe und geringere Friktion im Team.
- Instrumente & Ökosystem: ETHICON 4000 Staple-Linie als besonders verlässliche Option; Ziel, konsistente Erfahrungen über Open/Laparoskopie und Robotik hinweg sicherzustellen; Polyphonic als offenes, sicheres, datengestütztes Ökosystem für digitale Chirurgie.
- Geografie & Prozeduren: USA zuerst, gefolgt von Japan, Europa, MEA; Umbrella-Indication Upper GI und IDE-Genehmigung für Leistenhernie; laufende Erweiterung weiterer Prozeduren. Monarch als robotische Endoskopie-/perkutane Lösung, unter anderem für Nierensteine (Urologie).
- Marktposition & Zusammenarbeit: Ziel, weltweit Führungsposition in der Chirurgie zu übernehmen; enge Zusammenarbeit mit Chirurgen, Krankenhäusern und Führungskräften, um Adoption zu beschleunigen; bestehende Marktführung in der Zahl der operativen Einsätze.
Ausblick & Guidance
Es wurden keine konkreten finanziellen Guidance- oder Prognosezahlen genannt. Der Fokus liegt auf geographischer bzw. prozeduraler Expansion, weiteren IDE-Zulassungen und der Weiterentwicklung des Polyphonic-Ökosystems; man kündigte an, künftig weitere Details in den kommenden Wochen und Monaten zu kommunizieren.
Analystenfragen
- Ottava-Design und OR-Flexibilität — Frage: Warum sind integrierte Tischarme wichtig, wie beeinflusst das den Workflow? Antwort: Die integrierten, bei Bedarf deploybaren Arme ermöglichen eine flexible Nutzung des OP-Umfelds, reduzieren Friktion zwischen OP-Team und Roboter und nutzen Gravity-basierte Organmanipulation im Laparoskopie-Kontext.
- Geografie- und Prozedur-Expansion — Frage: Welche Regionen und Indikationen priorisiert man, und wie sieht der Zeitplan aus? Antwort: USA als Startmarkt, dann Japan, Europa, MEA; Umbrella-Indication Upper GI, IDE für Inguinal Hernia; nachhaltige Expansion weiterer Prozeduren sowie Monarch-Ansatz.
- Polyphonic & Datenstrategie — Frage: Wie wird die Datennutzung aufgebaut und wie offen ist das System? Antwort: Aufbau eines offenen, sicheren, datenagnostischen Ökosystems (Polyphonic) mit Fokus auf De-Identifizierung, Zusammenarbeit mit Partnern, Kliniken und Akademien, um KI- und Automatisierungslösungen global nutzbar zu machen.
Johnson & Johnson — TD Cowen 46th Annual Health Care Conference
1. Question Answer
Good morning. I'm Josh Jennings from the TD Cowen Medical Devices Research Team, and we are thrilled to have Executive Vice President and CFO, Johnson & Johnson, Joe Wolk, joining us. Joe, it's great to see you in person. Thank you for participating this year. It's been a little while since I've seen you in person. So great to see you.
It's nice to see you, Josh, and thank you for your interest in Johnson & Johnson. Certainly do appreciate it.
Absolutely. We're going to focus a little bit on the high-level strategy and the MedTech franchise. That's our wheelhouse. I know you guys have a much bigger wheelhouse with the pharma unit. It's been an incredible stock performance year in 2025 for Johnson & Johnson, and a lot of that was driven by both MedTech and Innovative Medicines, but Innovative Medicines is kind of battling through. The STELARA LOE headwind was quite impressive, and you guys had laid that out that, that was probable and you executed and delivered. So that's been a fantastic run, and there's more to go. I don't know if there's any high-level thoughts that you want to share on the Innovative Medicines franchise or we can just dive into...
No, Josh. Thanks for the kind words. I do think it has been a nice run for Johnson & Johnson stock. If you think about the STELARA loss of exclusivity, some questions in our MedTech business, how would the pipeline in pharmaceuticals emerge. Those cards kind of flipped over about this time last year, and they've all been flipping over with some face cards and some ACEs, as I like to say, in there. So if I think about our pharmaceutical competitive set, the LOE event is still in front of a lot of folks, where for us, it's a rearview mirror event.
It just speaks to the breadth and depth of our pharmaceutical team in terms of the products that they have, the products that are emerging. If you take out the STELARA loss of exclusivity impact, that business grew close to 15% last year, right? And we're still only the second company -- we're still the only company, quite frankly, and we've done it twice now to overcome a loss of exclusivity of that size, the first time in 2018 with REMICADE and now last year with STELARA.
The MedTech story is also a good one, though. I think if -- we would -- a couple of years ago, we probably had some spotty performance. We made some really nice acquisitions with Abiomed and Shockwave to bolster our cardiovascular franchise. The growth is much more predictable now. We've got strong holds, obviously, in cardiovascular, in surgery and vision. And then we announced late last year that we would be separating our Orthopedics business. That's still a very good business. It just doesn't fit into what Joaquin and the Board desire to have in terms of our portfolio for higher growth, higher-margin businesses going forward.
In terms of share performance, we've been pleased. I've personally been pleased for the organization because there's been a lot of effort that's gone on over the years in advance of the STELARA loss of exclusivity and some of these other events. But make no mistake, we still have work to do, right? So it was a great 1-year return. But if you look in 3 and 5 years, we still have some ground to make up. And so we like to say, as Joaquin likes to say, 2025 was a catapult year. We think it was a catapult to really have a nice series of years here ahead of us with a line of sight towards double-digit growth as an enterprise.
And that's an intriguing and compelling metric, the double-digit growth target you guys put on the tape, and we'll dig a little bit into it. But I think we want to also venture into the discussion on the MedTech unit and Joaquin Duato has stated that -- I think in early days of his tenure as CEO that the turnaround of the MedTech unit would be a part of his legacy as CEO. I mean, you mentioned some of the M&A initiatives and you're building out that cardiovascular business, some high-growth assets, separating lower growth DePuy Synthes ortho business. And overall, that should drive the weighted average market growth rate of the MedTech portfolio higher, both of those initiatives. And I mean, how does the strategy evolve from here? You mentioned the focus on cardiovascular, surgery and vision subsectors? I mean, do you double down on the cardiovascular build-out or consider additional silos outside of those 3? Any just -- I mean, I'm sure there's multiple strategies that are being tossed around and discussed, but any help just thinking through as you talk about moving to that double-digit growth trajectory for you?
Yes. Listen, I think we feel really good. Let's stick with MedTech about the portfolio that we have in MedTech. If you think about Vision, in the end of '23 and '24, that business was lagging. We have market leadership in contact lenses, but we didn't have a lot of new innovation coming out. Last year, we were able to build upon the ACUVUE brand with our OASYS 1-Day MAX multifocal and then multifocal for stigmatism. That is kind of how people live. It's still a very underpenetrated market with only 10% of people needing corrective lenses using contact lenses. So we think there's still a big opportunity. We are significantly the market share leaders, but that market share is going to depend on the innovation that we continue to bring forward. We saw some of those results last year.
On the surgery side in Vision, I would say we had a really nice year, approached double-digit growth with TECNIS, again, another traditional brand, but launching Odyssey and PureSee overseas and then PureSee will come a bit later this year for people who suffer from cataracts, the most prevalent surgery of all surgeries out there. Again, a very underpenetrated market. So we think we've got the right cadence in Vision.
With Cardiovascular, Abiomed and Shockwave, I think, were very strategic acquisitions. They did bolster our position, I think, in a responsible way with respect to adding to the Cardiovascular portfolio, adding to our success in EP at the time and acquiring businesses that, quite frankly, were clinically differentiated and had nice competitive moats around them, right? What we like about those 2 units is they continually are looking to innovate. Probably the best example I've seen of innovation and just having that constant mindset has been Isaac out at Shockwave. They're always thinking about how can they make that outcome better.
With respect to Electrophysiology, I think it was -- after Q1 results last year, I think people were writing off our EP business for fourth or fifth place. You saw how Tim and Michael Bodner -- Tim Schmidt and Michael Bodner kind of focused the team to make sure that we found our footing within the fastest-growing segment of pulsed-field ablation to complement our leading position in RF that is tied to our CARTO system as well as some ultrasound capabilities, and we are vying for. We're still #1 today, and we have every intention to maintain that position.
And then with Surgery, I think you've seen kind of -- the business has done well on the wound closure side, the biosurgery side. Maybe where we've lacked a little bit in recent years is the instrument side of the business, and that's been impacted by robotics. We were proud to announce the filing of a de novo submission to the FDA for OTTAVA, our soft tissue surgical robot, which we hope will get approved later this year, certainly no later than early next. We were late to the game on that one. We should have -- given the presence that the Ethicon brand had in the OR, we should have been there sooner. But it's a very complex machinery to develop. We've now developed the expertise, really a tremendous credit to Tim, focusing the organization to make sure we set a time line, we hit it. And we think we're going to come out with a differentiated product. If you think about what that's set up to do, there's integrated architecture. So the arms are part of the table. That reduces the overall footprint in the OR. There's no carts. There's no boom. So we think that's an advantage. It's got twin motion. So the arms and the table move together. That means there's no repositioning or stoppage. The patient is kind of positioned as they need to be, making surgeries more efficient.
We do have that instrumentation that I spoke about in Ethicon. It's still highly revered in the operating room. As matter of fact, most robotic procedures today still utilize some form of Ethicon, Johnson & Johnson instrument.
And then lastly, we're going to surround it with some digital capabilities and digital ecosystem, we like to call it with POLYPHONIC, where we collect not just value from the hardware, but also the data and the insights that come from these procedures, making the next procedure better than the last. So we feel pretty good about where that all stands. And while it's important to have the OTTAVA robot approved later this year, we're not overly hyped up or overly counting on it from a financial performance point of view. We think it's much more important to get the launch right, get the feedback from 10 to 25 accounts, whatever we place in early on to create that buzz in the market as opposed to have a failed launch. So we're going to go slow to go fast. And I think that's critically important when you think only 8% today of surgeries are done with some robotic capability. So there's a lot of room to run yet. These are early days. That will be -- we're aiming to make sure that, that's a significant pillar of growth for the next decade.
No, it's been a nice turnaround, and there's clearly some momentum in play as we're moving here or already in 2026, credit to your team and Tim's leadership. And then just getting back to the out-year corporate-wide double-digit performance level that you guys cited is attainable. I mean, is it -- by our math, you guys have kind of laid out the current 5% to 7% growth rate for that MedTech unit ex ortho that could move to the high end of the range. But then potentially it seems like it may need to accelerate to contribute at the level to get the entire franchise to doublt digits. But I mean, is that the right assumption that potentially you guys can get north of 7% for MedTech and does that include any external business initiatives and assets that you guys are bringing into the M&A channel?
So at the risk of not getting Tim mad at me, I won't sign them up for any numbers. We're going to have an Investor Day in December of this year. The Orthopedics separation does add about 75 basis points of growth, about 75 basis points of margin to the overall outlook, as you mentioned. That's still a very, very good business, I will say. It just doesn't fit into the portfolio that Joaquin and the Board are desiring to have with higher growth, higher-margin businesses. But you think about what they were able to do just in the fourth quarter alone, right? I think a lot of people are probably expecting some distraction at the announcement. They were able to post 4% growth. I think with the right focus, and believe me, Namal Nawana is a really good leader for this space. He's already demonstrated that. He has the organization energized and focused. I think with the right focus, they could be 6%. And they won't battle against the rest of J&J for capital deployment, right? So this is a strong business, profitable. It's got good cash flow. It's going to do probably better on its own than it would under the guys of Johnson & Johnson.
And I realize I didn't answer one of your questions about M&A and broader. The way I'd like to answer that, there's -- for us, it's more opportunistic than it is a particular time in the market, macro, right? So a lot of times, we'll hear, well, it's a bad environment for M&A. It's a good environment for M&A. We kind of look at it very simplistically, and 80% of the discussion with our Board of Directors is about what's the strategic fit. Why does Johnson & Johnson have some unique scientific expertise, scientific capability, maybe it's a commercial capability or global reach that makes that asset better in our hands than where it currently resides. And then if that kind of box is checked, then we'll go to the financial discussion, making sure that we reward shareholders for the risk that we're bearing on their behalf.
But the great advantage I have, Josh, in my role is we have a lot of conviction and confidence in the assets that we have to be #1 or #2 in the market, but we're very disciplined in the pursuit of new assets, right? So we consider ourselves portfolio managers. That's a key responsibility for the executive committee, but we don't do things out of desperation. And that's a really nice place to be, especially when you have a AAA rating, you're generating more than $20 billion of free cash flow. We have license to do just about anything we want. We want to make sure that we do that in a way that people can look back a few years later like we are doing with Abiomed, Shockwave and although it's early days, intracellular and saying, boy, they made the right move and that asset is performing better.
Great. And just on the opposite side of M&A, just portfolio optimization, some pruning. You guys have been doing that annually, I know, in some bigger moves than others, including the separation of ortho that's not necessarily a pruning as you just described, right, what I wouldn't label pruning, but I mean, is that part of the portfolio, being active portfolio managers. I mean could other lower growth units find a new home or...
I guess over time, right now, we really like the construct of the 3 franchises, if you will, in Innovative Medicine, Pharmaceuticals and then the 3 franchises in MedTech. And all of them right now represent really solid growth with really strong margin performance. So we like the construct of our portfolio today. Will we always look to add? Yes. I mean if you just look back over the last 3 years or so, we deployed about $56 billion in capital on acquisitions, 3 of them made up $45 billion. We did 20-plus acquisitions with the remaining $8 billion to $9 billion. Those are the ones that really drive value. And those are earlier stage. They don't get headlines when we do the deal. But they often make headlines when the product launches or when we have success with the product. So we're going to look to continue to do that balance of earlier, smaller stage deals to tuck into our business, but could become very, very big platforms.
Maybe we could hone in a little bit on the near term. At your fourth quarter call, you issued 2026 guidance. I think for the MedTech unit, the message, and you don't guide specifically to Innovative Medicines and MedTech. But 2026 could be better than 2025 for the MedTech. And you already kind of described some of the drivers within cardiovascular, vision and surgery. But maybe just review some of the fundamental assumptions on the macro side, procedure volume growth. It seems -- I think your message is that there should be sustainable kind of momentum, maybe not a surge in '26, but maybe not a real decel CapEx environment, purchase environment in the United States by hospitals. Anything else you can just review and share any updates to the macro thinking?
Yes. I think in terms of our business, I would say we do benefit from just an accounting calendar phenomenon with a 53rd week. So we've got almost a point of growth there. But even when we subtract that out, it still portends to be -- we expect a better year out of MedTech. One, I would go to the cardiovascular platform, specifically in electrophysiology, right? It took us a couple of quarters to find our way in pulsed-field ablation. Despite all the mapping capabilities that we have, despite our leadership in RF, we were slower to the market with PFA. And then we had a little bit of a misstep with a pause at that point in time.
Just to speak about that pause, that was the responsible thing to do. And as it turned out, there was nothing malfunctioning with the unit itself. It was a matter of updating the IFUs, the instructions for use. And I think that built credibility, not just for the platform, but for Johnson & Johnson with electrophysiologists. So that was a smart move. We continue to innovate on that platform. But we will do better than what we did the first half of last year in EP, specifically in PFA.
With respect to Vision, I think you're going to continue to see the growth, the market leadership. I know on the contact lens side, we're looking to parlay some of that innovation we launched last year into better market share even though we already are the market leaders. And that's where I would point to in terms of our improved performance.
That makes sense. And...
Listen, I shortchanged orthopedics there, but orthopedics was flat last year for our business. They will be part of our '26 results. We expect something better than that out of them.
And there is, unfortunately, a conflict in the Middle East ongoing. I know it's very, very early days, but is there anything to share just in terms of Johnson & Johnson's business over there? We hope and -- everyone is safe from the J&J franchise and others, but...
Yes, that was really -- it is early days, Josh. I can't comment really with respect to the impact on the business. Some of the -- being so geographically diverse, having 28 platforms or products that generate more than $1 billion in revenue. We're not subject to any one dynamic per se. But our priority since Saturday night has really been the safety of our employees and people in the region, and that's really where we're still focused at this point in time. I wouldn't anticipate material impacts to our financial performance.
Okay. Okay. Maybe just circle back on some of your comments on your PFA franchise and the Biosense Webster franchise as a whole doing better than last year. I mean, as you described, there were some pauses in the PFA launch and you guys made some corrections. I guess my follow-up question is really is on the pipeline. I think you have dual-energy STSF and OMNYPULSE in development and coming on board in the coming quarters and even next year. Is that enough to build out your portfolio? And I'm sure there's other pipeline initiatives ongoing, maybe new waveforms, new modes of energy delivery. But is the message that you guys are comfortable with your current arsenal of ablation catheters? Clearly, you guys are still #1 and super strong on the mapping side and some of the ancillary technologies like intracardiac ultrasound, but focusing on the ablation catheter side of the portfolio, is that -- do you guys have what you need for the next 2 years to maintain that market leadership?
Yes, I do think. So you mentioned STSF dual energy that's already launched in Europe. We're getting some really good feedback in terms of the familiarity with how it's handled. Certainly, it's important for extending our leadership in point-to-point ablation, giving the users that dual modality for energy selection. So we expect in the first half of this year that we would be able to launch that. And then with OMNYPULSE, the IDE trial will be completed likely again in the first half of this year. You might have seen in recent weeks up here in Boston at an Afib conference some really compelling safety data, no safety events whatsoever. So there was no MRI detection of cerebral lesions or emboli, no worsening, no new neuro events. So we feel pretty good about the next 2-year to 3-year time frame that you mentioned.
I do appreciate you mentioning CARTO too. We do think that is the gold standard in terms of mapping. We think that it is important with all the catheters we've launched that there is -- it's easily integrated into what that mapping system does. And because it's so important, we call it the backbone of our electrophysiology franchise. We continue to innovate there as well. So we've got SONATA coming out, CARTO [indiscernible], likely over the coming quarters. That will add additional computing power. It will provide AI enhancements, better visualization, and it all leads to better outcomes. Some of the data that was recently shared in a publication was that they took 2,900 procedures that utilize CARTO, 2,000 that utilized our competitors' mapping, and there was a 61% reduction in terms of readmission for arrhythmia events just post 30 days after the initial procedure. We think that really speaks to just the outcomes that the CARTO mapping system drives. And it goes with something that's probably understated from us, and that's really the mappers and the clinicians that support these systems. So we've got 5,000 mappers. They are part and parcel to the success of all these procedures, and they're highly respected in those settings. And that is a great advantage for Johnson & Johnson.
And I think your team made the decision to open CARTO to integrate the competitors' ablation catheter technologies, I think maybe in 2025. I think by the time of HRS, you guys have made that move. And with your installed base, that's been a nice win, I think, is our understanding. I mean, is that the expectation going forward that the CARTO mapping revenues will be able to also be enhanced by when other competitors' ablation catheter technology is used.
Yes. I mean, hopefully, it's with our catheters, right? To be candid with you, that's kind of the goal here. But yes, I think that's one way to benefit. But there is just a nice seamless interchangeability, integrate it with our CARTO platform with all of our catheters. But yes, we thought it was the right thing to do to open that up.
Understood. I wanted to circle back to some of your comments on OTTAVA and the overall robotics effort or initiatives by Johnson & Johnson. And you have MONARCH as well. You have VELYS and VELYS will go with the orthopedic separation. And I think on -- earlier this year, Joaquin relayed that in terms of revenue contributions from OTTAVA and MONARCH, I know you have MONARCH in a pulmonary indication already, but becoming more meaningful, maybe kicking off in 2028. Is that the right way to think about? Maybe just walk us through, you submitted, you get approval, you need to have the launch, but maybe 2028 is the year where you start to see impactful contributions for [indiscernible].
That's what makes Joaquin so good because he's pushing the team. From a financial perspective, that line of sight to double-digit growth is not heavily dependent on OTTAVA, right? And I know Joaquin is thinking this way, too, as is Tim Schmidt and the leadership team. We want to make sure those early launches are done extremely well. That will create the buzz in the market. Given there's only 8% penetration today, we're thinking about this as a pillar of growth for the next decade. So when you hear a line of sight to double-digit growth, you don't have to be overly concerned about that coming from OTTAVA. We've got so many other platforms in both the pharmaceutical and MedTech side that's going to drive that growth. It will be a contributor. Don't get me wrong because you're going from 0 to something. But getting it right out of the gate, I think, is much more important in terms of creating longer-term buzz, longer-term value for the franchise overall.
And in the recent past, I think over the last couple of years, you and your team have called out some assets in the Innovative Medicines business that were underappreciated by the Street as you guys peruse the out-year estimates that were in play. I was hoping you'd be willing to maybe do that same exercise for the MedTech franchise. Is there any product lines or pipeline products that are underappreciated and just not be incorporated into the revenue growth trajectory of this MedTech franchise?
So I'll partially answer that. So I'll do a little bit of an advertisement for December 8. We'll have an Investor Day as long as I get license from the Investor Relations team to show a chart like that. I will certainly do that on the pharmaceutical side, and I plan to do it for the MedTech side as well. I would say it's a different equation because hundreds of millions of matter on the MedTech side where it's difference of billions on the pharmaceutical side. But in looking at that in advance and some of the preparation that Darren and I have done for that Investor Day, I would say consensus is a little bit shy on the cardiovascular side. And then I would also say probably a little bit shy on the surgery side. So we'll give you some specifics. At least we're planning to give you some specifics in December, but that should give you some appetite as to where there may be a disconnect in '28, '29.
Okay. I appreciate those early clues. With the MedTech unit fully stabilizing and gaining momentum over these last couple of years. I was wondering if you could just talk about the commercial organization. I know it's big. There's a number of -- the 3 MedTech silos and then business units within. But maybe just talk about the stability. Are you seeing any lower attrition rates from sales reps, general managers of businesses. I mean, I think with success, you typically get more stability. And then had that been an issue in years past 2, 3 -- I mean more like 3, 4 years ago? And has that stabilized and have contributed to some of this momentum that's being generated?
Yes. I think the simplest way I could put that is Tim Schmidt is doing a great job with his leadership team, right? You've got the right folks running our vision, our cardiovascular and our surgery units. I will say that because of the orthopedic separation, we're very cognizant and mindful just as we were with the consumer health separation of stranded costs. So we are taking an opportunity to look at the organization, are we rightsized for what the organization will be in the future. You may recall, we were pretty aggressive with the consumer health separation in terms of -- we didn't even have a chance to talk about stranded costs after the separation because we had gotten rid of them.
It was a different, and I would say, even easier separation because we were taking a segment out of Johnson & Johnson and a segment that really didn't have a lot of interdependencies with the other 2 segments. Here, we're taking certainly a business out of MedTech and then taking that business out of Johnson & Johnson. So there's a lot more operational dynamics with that, but it also gives us the opportunity to look at our cost structure and make sure we're utilizing new capabilities, whether they be AI or just advancements in terms of the information that we receive to get a little bit leaner in terms of supporting the R&D budget as well as improving EPS down the road.
Appreciate that. Just a couple of minutes left here, but I wanted to touch on operating margin guidance for 2026 here. You're calling for, I think, at least 50 basis improvement in that pretax margin. Maybe just walk through the major drivers of margin improvement. And just this pre and post ortho separate for MedTech, I mean, there seems to be some outsized margin expansion potential from the MedTech business, especially as you get some benefits from stronger revenue growth, volume contributions, et cetera. But maybe overall corporate-wide and then maybe hone in on the MedTech business.
Yes. I think some of it relates to my prior answer with respect to getting a jump start on some of these stranded costs. So we'll be able to take some of those out this year that will help improve margins. I had higher hopes, I got to be honest with you, in October for maybe something better on the margin profile. We, quite frankly, owed you guys 50 points from last year. We said it was going to be around 300 basis points. We came in about 250. We just had so many good opportunities to invest in some newer launches on the pharmaceutical side, specifically INLEXZO for bladder cancer, ICOTIDE for psoriasis, RYBREVANT LAZCLUZE for lung cancer as well as getting a commercially ready organization for the launch of OTTAVA sometime in the near future, right?
So we wanted to make sure we weren't being penny-wise and pound-foolish and for -- because we were meeting the other metrics, we said, let's make that decision to still meet targets that the Street expected from us, but have the opportunity to invest for the long term. We did that.
I did have higher aspirations, I would say, in October, November. But you've got to remember, we came out with 50 basis points of improvement. We still, I think, exceeded what consensus was for EPS for 2026 in our guidance. And that was digesting probably higher tariff costs than what the analysts were assuming. It certainly didn't have any estimates for the MFN deal, and that's all price. That's all margin that's gone away, and that was not trivial. So we felt pretty good about coming out with the guidance we did, although I'd hoped it was going to be higher at one point to be able. To digest it really speaks to the strength, the breadth and depth of Johnson & Johnson these days.
Well, that's about to wrap it up there, Joe, but thank you so much for the discussion, taking my questions, delivering on these answers and helping us think about 2026 and beyond for Johnson & Johnson and specifically the MedTech franchise.
It's always a pleasure, Josh. Thank you very much for your interest.
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Johnson & Johnson — TD Cowen 46th Annual Health Care Conference
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Wichtige Kennzahlen
- Pharma (ohne STELARA LOE): Wachstum nahe 15% im vergangenen Jahr.
- MedTech ex Orthopedics: Guidance für 2026 5%–7% Wachstum, mit Potenzial, zum oberen Rand des Bereichs zu steigen.
- Orthopedics-Separation: Fügt rund 75 Basispunkte zu Wachstum und Margen des Gesamtportfolios hinzu.
- Akquisitionen: ca. 56 Mrd. USD in 3 Jahren; drei Großtransaktionen machen ca. 45 Mrd. USD aus; der Rest entfällt auf 20+ kleinere Übernahmen (ca. 8–9 Mrd. USD).
- Margen: 2025 pretax margin um ca. 250 Basispunkte höher als ursprünglich erwartet; 2026 soll die Margin um mindestens 50 Basispunkte steigen; MFN-Tarife und MFN-Deal wurden nicht in die Guidance eingerechnet.
- 53. Kalenderwoche: Kalendereffekt wird fast als zusätzliches Wachstumspunkt gewertet.
- EP/PFA-Pipeline: STSF-Dual-Energy in Europa; OMNYPULSE IDE-Trial voraussichtlich in H1 2026; positiva Sicherheitsdaten auf Afib-Session; CARTO-Integration offen für Wettbewerber-Katheter; ca. 5.000 Mapper im Ökosystem.
- OTTAVA: De-novo-Einreichung geplant; Marktstart soll bewusst sorgfältig gestaltet werden; mittelfristig ein Baustein für Wachstum, aber nicht primär als finanzieller Stützpfeiler in 2026.
Strategische Ausrichtung
- MedTech-Fokus auf Cardiovascular, Surgery und Vision; Orthopedics wird getrennt, um Wachstums- und Margenziele besser zu unterstützen.
- Vision: Starke Führungsposition in Kontaktlinsen; Innovationen wie ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day MAX, multifokale Varianten; Surgery: TECNIS sowie internationale Markteinführungen (Odyssey, PureSee).
- Cardiovascular: Abiomed & Shockwave stärken das Portfolio; EP-Fraktion bleibt führend (PFA); kontinuierliche Innovation und Integration von Technologien (CARTO, Ultraschall).
- M&A-Ansatz: opportunistisch, disciplines Portfolio-Management-Ansatz; Fokus auf strategische Passung, finanzielle Realisierung und nachhaltigen Shareholder-Value; Investor Day am 8. Dezember soll weitere Details liefern.
Ausblick & Guidance
Für 2026 strebt J&J eine pretax Margin-Erhöhung von mindestens 50 Basispunkten an; operative Vorteile ergeben sich teils aus der Abschmelzung von Stranded Costs nach der Orthopedics-Trennung. Die Guidance reflektiert höhere Tarife (MFN) und Preiswirkungen, die im Modell nicht enthalten waren; Management sieht trotz dieser Unsicherheiten eine bessere Jahr-über-Jahr-Performance, unterstützt durch das breitere Portfoliokonzept und fortlaufende Investitionen in neue Produkte. Ein Investor Day am 8. Dezember soll konkrete Details liefern. Der Nahbereich profitiert von 53. Kalenderwoche.
Analystenfragen
- Frage: Kann MedTech 2026 north of 7% wachsen, und wie integrieren Sie künftig externe Assets in das Wachstumsszenario? Antwort: Das Management hält sich nicht an konkrete Zahlen fest; ein Investor Day am 8. Dezember soll Details liefern; die Orthopedics-Separation erhöht Wachstum und Margen um ca. 75 Basispunkte; zudem betont man die Bereitschaft zu opportunistischem, portfolioorientiertem Wachstum außerhalb von OTTAVA.
- Frage: Reicht die Pipeline (STSF, OMNYPULSE) aus, um die Ablation-Strategie 2–3 Jahre zu tragen, und wie sieht es mit CARTO-Integrationen aus? Antwort: STSF ist in Europa gestartet; OMNYPULSE IDE-Trial läuft; CARTO bleibt „Rückgrat“ des EP-Geschäfts; 5.000 Mapper sichern Netzwerkeffekte; planmäßige Updates (Sonata) und AI-Verbesserungen sind vorgesehen.
- Frage: Erwarteter Beitragsstart von OTTAVA/MONARCH/Velys; wann entsteht absehbar signifikanter Umsatz? Antwort: OTTAVA wird wichtig, aber nicht primär für 2026; MONARCH könnte ab 2028 substanzielle Beiträge liefern; der Fokus liegt auf einer breit gestützten, mehrjährigen Wachstumsstrategie.
Johnson & Johnson — Q4 2025 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, and welcome to Johnson & Johnson's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]
This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]
I will now turn the conference call over to Johnson & Johnson. You may begin.
Hello, everyone. This is Darren Snellgrove, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson & Johnson. Welcome to our company's review of business results for the fourth quarter and full year 2025 and our financial outlook for 2026.
First, a few logistics. As a reminder, today's presentation and associated schedules are available on the Investor Relations section of the Johnson & Johnson website at investor.jnj.com.
Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, the company's future operating and financial performance, market position and business strategy. We're cautioned not to rely on these forward-looking statements, which are based on the current expectations of future events using the information available as of the date of this recording and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. The description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2024 Form 10-K, which is available at investor.jnj.com and on the SEC's website.
Additionally, several of the products and compounds discussed today are being developed in collaboration with strategic partners or licensed from other companies. This slide acknowledges those relationships.
Moving to today's agenda, Joaquin Duato, our Chairman and CEO, will discuss our business performance and growth drivers. I will then review the fourth quarter sales and P&L results as well as full year 2025 results for the enterprise. Joe Wolk, our CFO, will then close by sharing an overview of our cash position, capital allocation priorities and guidance for 2026 as well as key milestones and qualitative considerations for 2026.
Jennifer Taubert, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, Innovative Medicine; John Reed, Executive Vice President, Innovative Medicine, Research and Development; and Tim Schmid, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, MedTech, will be joining us for Q&A.
To ensure we provide enough time to address your questions, we anticipate the webcast will last up to 75 minutes. With that, I will now turn the call over to Joaquin.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I'm excited to discuss our very strong full year results. We said 2025 would be a catapult year for Johnson & Johnson, and that's exactly what it was. It was a year that launched us into a new era of accelerated growth, fueled by the strongest portfolio and pipeline in our history, Johnson & Johnson today has a leading and expanding position in each of our 6 key businesses: oncology, immunology, neuroscience, cardiovascular, surgery and vision. In each of these areas, we have multiple differentiated assets to drive growth and a strong competitive advantage, which you can see in the success of our recent launches.
In recent years, we have increased our focus on areas of high growth and high unmet need, and we will continue this transformation with the planned separation of our orthopedics business.
In 2025, we invested over $32 billion in R&D and M&A, including the acquisitions of Intra-Cellular Therapies and Halda Therapeutics. We also initiated billions of dollars in new, state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities in the U.S., which will accelerate delivery of our next wave of innovation. These moves fuel our confidence that growth in 2026 will be faster than in 2025, and we have line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade, which is notable as Johnson & Johnson is the only health care company that will soon deliver more than $100 billion in annual revenue.
How is that possible? It's possible because we have tremendous strength and depth, both in Innovative Medicine and in MedTech. We are different from other companies. We are not focused on 1 or 2 growth drivers. In fact, we now have 28 platforms or products that generate at least $1 billion of revenue annually, and that makes our growth more sustainable. This, together with our strong balance sheet and free cash flow, creates the resilience and durability that will power our future.
Turning to our results. Over the full year, we delivered 5.3% operational sales growth. The strength of our commercial execution and relentless focus on innovation drove strong momentum throughout the year, firmly placing the STELARA LOE in the rearview mirror. In Innovative Medicine, we reported operational sales growth for the year of 5.3%. Full year sales for our pharmaceutical business exceeded $60 billion for the first time with 13 brands growing double digits.
The foundation for these results and for the acceleration we see ahead is our unrivaled portfolio and pipeline. In 2025 alone, we secured 51 approvals and filed 32 submissions across major markets. We delivered positive readouts from 17 key studies and initiated 11 new Phase III programs. These milestones are not just numbers. They are the seeds of our best-in-class medicines that are improving and extending lives.
Let me now talk about our key areas of focus. In oncology, we are working to cure cancer, and our depth of expertise is unmatched. In 2025, we delivered 21% operational sales growth, and we expect to exceed $50 billion in annual sales by 2030. We are the #1 company in multiple myeloma where 80% of patients are treated with at least 1 of our 4 medicines over their treatment journey.
DARZALEX is the largest medicine by sales in our pharmaceutical portfolio and is considered the foundational gold standard treatment in multiple myeloma. With annual sales over $14 billion, DARZALEX grew an impressive 22% across the full year.
CARVYKTI is the leading CAR T cell therapy in multiple myeloma with more than 10,000 patients now treated across 14 markets. And we are not stopping there. Last month, we published and presented results for TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX that show reduced risk of progression or death by 83% in relapsed refractory multiple myeloma as early as the second line. We also recently announced top line findings from a second Phase III study, MajesTEC-9, which showed TECVAYLI monotherapy reduce the risk of disease progression or death as early as first relapse in patients with multiple myeloma. We are predominantly refractory to anti-CD38 and lenalinomide therapies.
We are also seeing significant momentum in our solid tumor portfolio. In Q4, we received FDA approval for RYBREVANT FASPRO as the first subcutaneous therapy for EGFR-mutated non-small cell lung cancer, reducing administration time from hours to minutes and improving patient experience.
We are making strong progress in bladder cancer with the introduction of INLEXZO for novel drug releasing system, which received its initial FDA approval in September. This is a revolutionary treatment that offers a life change in alternative for patients who otherwise would have lost their bladders to radical surgery. Future approvals addressing larger patient populations are anticipated. And our Q4 acquisition of Halda Therapeutics added a promising clinical stage treatment for prostate cancer with potential across multiple tumor types.
In immunology, we are focused on transforming the standard of care by increasing remission rates in immune-mediated disease. In 2025, TREMFYA became the first and only IL-23 inhibitor with a fully subcutaneous treatment regimen for both ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease. It is now the fastest-growing IL-23 therapy in the U.S. delivering Q4 operational sales growth of 75% and 65% worldwide. And with [ global ] full year sales of TREMFYA accelerating to more than $5 billion for the first time, we are increasingly confident that TREMFYA will exceed $10 billion in peak year sales.
But in health care, leadership means continually raising the bar, which is why we are focused on what's next in immunology. In the coming months, we look forward to the anticipated U.S. approval of icotrokinra, to be marketed as ICOTIDE, which will expand our immunology innovation -- for psoriasis and inflammatory bowel disease.
Turning to neuroscience, where 2025 operational sales grew [ 10% and ] more than 200,000 patients now treated worldwide. In November, we solidified our leadership with the U.S. launch of CAPLYTA for adjunctive major depressive disorder, further strengthening our confidence in its $5 billion peak year sales potential.
Now turning to MedTech where operational sales for the year grew 5.4%. In 2025, we delivered nearly $34 billion in sales with strong performance in cardiovascular and accelerating momentum across surgery and vision. Our success over the last year was supported by 15 major launches and more than 40 regulatory approvals in major markets. And with more than 60 active clinical trials, we have significant momentum going into 2026.
Johnson & Johnson today is a leader in 3 cardiovascular segments with the portfolio delivering 15% operational sales growth in the year. Abiomed and Shockwave performed particularly well, delivering operational growth of approximately 18% and 23% in the quarter. We remain the market leader in electrophysiology, and we plan to expand our position in [ pulsed field ] ablation. VARIPULSE has now been used to treat nearly 40,000 atrial fibrillation patients globally, and we look forward to submitting our dual energy [ Thermocool SmartTouch SF ] catheter for use in the U.S. market in 2026. We are also seeing positive data for our [ OmniPulse ] catheter, which has the potential to further redefine post-field ablation. In fact, we anticipate launching a new catheter every year through the end of the decade as we build an industry-leading portfolio in PFA complemented by at least 2 CARTO updates each year.
In surgery, we are reinventing procedures through robotics and digital. This year, we will launch a first-of-its-kind robotics platform for urology with MONARCH. The technology was first to market in bronchoscopy, helping diagnose and treat lung cancer. And this year, we will create another first with MONARCH, becoming the only robotic endoluminal and percutaneous platform for the treatment of kidney stones and other renal conditions.
We also recently announced the FDA de novo submission of our OTTAVA robotic surgery system. With continued innovation in surgical instrumentation, including our recent launch of the ETHICON 4000 stapler, we anticipate continued growth as we reduce complications and elevate the surgical experience across specialties.
And finally, vision, which delivered robust annual operational sales growth of 5.3%, with particular strong momentum in surgical vision. In 2025, we launched ACUVUE OASYS MAX disposable lenses for astigmatism and [ presbyopia ] and completed the full market release of TECHNIS ODC IOL, which is the fastest-growing intraocular lens in the U.S. Looking ahead, we are planning to launch TECHNIS PureSee in the U.S. later this year.
As you can tell, we are starting the year from a position of strength. You have heard me talk about the unmatched depth and strength of our business. In 2026, that will translate into accelerated growth and impact with game-changing innovation, reaching more [ patients ] more quickly than ever before.
I will now turn the call back over to Darren.
Thank you, Joaquin. Moving to our financial results. Unless otherwise stated, the percentages quoted represent operational results and therefore, exclude the impact of currency translation.
Starting with Q4 2025 sales results. Worldwide sales were $24.6 billion for the quarter. Sales increased 7.1%, despite an approximate 650 basis point headwind from STELARA. Growth in the U.S. was 7.5% and 6.6% outside of the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact on worldwide growth of 100 basis points, primarily driven by the Intra-Cellular acquisition.
Turning now to earnings. For the quarter, net earnings were $5.1 billion and diluted earnings per share was $2.10 versus $1.41 a year ago. Adjusted net earnings for the quarter was $6 billion and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $2.46, representing an increase of 21.5% and 20.6%, respectively, compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. Items of note include a $0.22 IP R&D charge associated with the [ V-Wave ] acquisition in 2024 and $0.10 of dilution due to the acquisition of Halda Therapeutics in 2025.
For the full year 2025, worldwide sales were $94.2 billion. Sales increased 5.3% despite an approximate 620 basis point headwind from STELARA. And if you do the math, Johnson & Johnson grew double digits for the full year excluding STELARA. Growth in the U.S. was 6.9% and 3.4% outside the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact on worldwide growth of 110 basis points, primarily driven by the intraCellular and Shockwave acquisitions.
Turning now to earnings. Net earnings for full year 2025 were $26.8 billion and diluted earnings per share was $11.03, including the $7 billion talc reserve reversal from Q1. This compares to diluted earnings per share of $5.79 a year ago, which included $0.67 of dilution due to acquired IP R&D charges on various transactions. Full year 2025 adjusted net earnings were $26.2 billion and adjusted diluted earnings per share was $10.79, both representing an increase of 8.1% compared to full year 2024.
I will now comment on business sales performance in the quarter, focusing on the 6 key areas where meaningful innovation is driving our performance and fueling our long-term growth.
Beginning with Innovative Medicine. Worldwide sales of $15.8 billion increased 7.9% despite an approximate 1,110 basis point headwind from STELARA, illustrating the continued strength of our key brands and new launches. Growth both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. was 7.9%. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact of 170 basis points on worldwide growth, primarily due to the Intra-Cellular acquisition.
In oncology, starting with multiple myeloma, DARZALEX growth was 24.1%, primarily driven by strong share gains of 6.5 points across all lines of therapy and nearly 12 points in the frontline setting as well as inventory dynamics and market growth. CARVYKTI achieved sales of $555 million with growth of 63.2%, driven by share gains and slight expansion. TECVAYLI and TALVEY growth was 18.9% and 73.1%, respectively, driven by continued expansion in the community setting.
In prostate cancer, ERLEADA delivered strong growth of 18% due to market growth and continued share gains, partially offset by the impact of Part D redesign. In lung cancer, RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE delivered sales of $216 million, a growth of 76.5%, driven by continued launch uptake in all regions. We continue to see share gains in both first and second lines of therapy.
Within immunology, TREMFYA delivered remarkable growth of 65.4%. We continue to see share gains across all indications with particularly strong momentum from our IBD launch as well as market growth. STELARA declined 48.6%, driven by share loss due to biosimilar competition and Part D redesign.
In neuroscience, SPRAVATO grew an impressive 67.8%, driven by continued strong demand from physicians and patients. CAPLYTA, which was acquired in Q2 as part of the intraCellular acquisition, delivered sales of $249 million for the quarter. Since AMDD approval in the U.S., CAPLYTA has had its highest ever new patient start volumes across all indications.
Now moving to MedTech. Worldwide sales of $8.8 billion increased 5.8%, with a growth of 6.6% in the U.S. and 4.9% outside of the U.S., driven by strong performance in our 3 focus areas: cardiovascular, surgery and vision. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net negative impact of 10 basis points on worldwide growth.
In cardiovascular, electrophysiology delivered growth of 6.5%, driven by procedure growth within our comprehensive portfolio, commercial execution as well as VARIPULSE and other new products. partially offset by competitive pressures in PFA.
Abiomed delivered growth of 18.3% with continued strong adoption of Impella technology. Shockwave delivered strong double-digit growth of 22.9%, driven by continued adoption of coronary and peripheral products, becoming our 13th billion MedTech platform.
Surgery grew 3.7% despite divestitures negatively impacting results by approximately 60 basis points. Growth was driven by accelerated launches of new products in biosurgery, technology penetration in wound closure and strong commercial execution, partially offset by competitive pressures in energy and endocutters as well as VBP in China across the portfolio.
In vision, contact lenses and other products grew 5.3%, driven by category growth, strong performance in the ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day family of products and continued strategic price actions, further solidifying our leadership position. Surgical vision grew 10.8%, driven by new product innovations, robust demand for premium IOLs and strong commercial execution.
Orthopedics growth this quarter continued to gain momentum and increased to 3.5%, primarily driven by new product launches and strong commercial execution, partially offset by the orthopedics transformation and VBP in China.
Now turning to our consolidated statement of earnings for the fourth quarter of 2025. I'd like to highlight a few noteworthy items that have changed compared to the same quarter of last year. Cost of goods sold deleveraged by 80 basis points, driven by unfavorable product mix and Innovative Medicine and the impact of tariffs in MedTech. This was partially offset by the onetime prior year fair value inventory step-up associated with the Shockwave acquisition.
Selling, marketing and administrative expense leveraged by 110 basis points, driven by lower administrative expense across the enterprise. Research and development leveraged by 620 basis points, primarily driven by prior year acquired IP R&D expense from the [ V-Wave ] acquisition in MedTech as well as pipeline investment timing and Innovative Medicine.
Interest income and expense was a net income of $23 million, as compared to $144 million of income in the fourth quarter of 2024. The decrease in income was primarily driven by a higher average debt balance. Other income and expense was a net expense of $483 million, as compared to $161 million of income in the fourth quarter of 2024. This increase in net expense was driven by higher litigation costs of $0.9 billion primarily related to the [ Auris ] shareholder resolution and a $0.2 billion nonrecurring charge related to Halda employee equity awards. This was partially offset by a $0.3 billion contingent value rate reduction associated with the Abiomed acquisition.
Tax rate on a GAAP basis in the fourth quarter of 2025 was a benefit of 3%, compared to an 11.7% cost in the fourth quarter of 2024. The decrease in the effective tax rate is primarily driven by a nonrecurring tax benefit related to a loss on certain international subsidiaries. More information can be found in the company's forthcoming Form 10-K.
Lastly, I'll direct your attention to the box section of the slide where we have also provided our income before tax, net earnings and earnings per share adjusted to exclude the impact of intangible amortization expense and special items.
Now let's look at adjusted income before tax by segment for the quarter. Innovative Medicine margin improved from 32.5% to 36.3%, primarily driven by administrative expense leveraging and phasing of R&D expense, partially offset by unfavorable mix in the cost of products sold. MedTech margin improved from 10.8% to 17.4%, primarily driven by prior year acquired IP R&D expense from the V-Wave acquisition, partially offset by the impact of tariffs in cost of products sold. As a result, adjusted income before tax for the enterprise as a percentage of sales increased from 24.1% to 28.7%.
This concludes the sales and earnings portion of the call and I will now turn the call over to Joe.
Thanks, Darren. Hello, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. As you've heard from Joaquin and Darren, the employees of Johnson & Johnson delivered impressive results in 2025 driven by strong execution, important new launches and significant pipeline progress that launched a new era of accelerated growth. Our performance demonstrates the depth and strength of Johnson & Johnson's business centered on 6 core areas: oncology, immunology and neuroscience in Innovative Medicine; and cardiovascular, surgery and vision in MedTech. This has enabled us to exceed financial expectations that existed at the beginning of 2025 on both the top and bottom line. We entered 2026 with powerful momentum and anticipate another solid year ahead.
Let me briefly address yesterday's Daubert rulings in the talc MDL. The Special Master correctly decided to exclude the opinions of certain plaintiffs experts who preponded junk science. In other parts of the ruling, the court did not uphold its proper gatekeeping duty with respect to the reliability of plaintiffs experts' opinions, and we will appeal.
The decision only serves to bolster our overall litigation strategy. We will continue to defend against these meritless claims at trial and through the appeals courts where we've largely prevailed.
Before we move into 2026 guidance, let's address cash and capital allocation. We ended 2025 with approximately $20 billion of cash and marketable securities and $48 billion of debt, for a net debt position of approximately $28 billion. The company generated $19.7 billion of free cash flow during 2025, on par with 2024 despite increased capital investment in the U.S. and the impact of tariffs. Our financial strength is a competitive advantage that allows us to both invest in our future and return value to our shareholders. As we move forward in 2026, we expect to elevate free cash flow generation to approximately $21 billion.
As it relates to the separation of our orthopedics business, we are making good progress towards a mid-2027 separation and look forward to providing updates later this year.
Turning now to guidance for the full year 2026. We anticipate operational sales growth in the range of 5.7% to 6.7%, with a midpoint of $100 billion or 6.2%. Acquisitions and divestitures are expected to favorably impact operational growth by approximately 30 basis points, resulting in an adjusted operational sales growth midpoint of 5.9%. We do benefit in 2026 as our financial calendar includes a 53rd week, which is worth approximately 100 basis points.
As you know, we do not speculate on future currency movements. And last quarter, we utilized the euro spot rate relative to the U.S. dollar of $1.17. As of last week, the U.S. dollar has stayed relatively flat to the euro spot rate. And as a result, we expect reported sales growth between 6.2% to 7.2%, with a midpoint of $100.5 billion or 6.7%.
2026 sales growth across our Innovative Medicine business will be driven by TREMFYA, DARZALEX, CARVYKTI, ERLEADA and SPRAVATO as well as new launches of RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE in lung cancer and CAPLYTA as adjunctive therapy for major depressive disorder. In MedTech, we expect growth to be driven by continued uptake and market expansion of new product launches across our cardiovascular, surgery and vision portfolios, including VARIPULSE in electrophysiology, ETHICON 4000 in surgery and the OASYS MAX family in vision.
Turning next to other items on the P&L. In 2026, we expect to drive continued operating efficiencies, the majority of which we plan to invest in our business to power our new product launches and pipeline with heavier investment at the outset of the year. Despite that increased investment, we are planning for our 2026 adjusted pretax operating margin to improve by at least 50 basis points.
Our pretax operating margin guidance takes into account the costs from the 53rd week of operations and full year MedTech tariffs of approximately $500 million, which is significantly above the 2025 amount. It also includes the impact of the recently announced voluntary agreement with the U.S. government to improve access to medicines and lower costs to U.S. patients.
We expect net interest expense between $300 million and $400 million. We anticipate net other income to be $1 billion to $1.2 billion for 2026, relatively flat to last year. Finally, we are projecting an effective tax rate in the range of 17.5% to 18.5%, with the increase largely due to a mix change with income in higher tax jurisdictions.
Turning to adjusted operational earnings per share. We expect growth of 5.5% at the midpoint, for a range of $11.20 to $11.48. By utilizing the exchange rate we mentioned earlier for our adjusted earnings per share for the year, we estimate a positive impact of $0.15. As such, we expect reported adjusted earnings per share of $11.53 at the midpoint.
Regarding our share count, due to the rapid share price appreciation in the second half of 2025 into early 2026, our diluted share count is increasing to approximately 2.44 billion shares based on U.S. GAAP accounting rules for the diluted share count calculation, in line with how the fourth quarter of 2025 landed. The incremental dilutive shares for next year are worth slightly more than $0.05 headwind versus 2025.
Relative to current analyst expectations, our EPS and margin outlooks absorb the previously referenced incremental tariffs, the impact of the voluntary U.S. government agreement and a higher share count.
We will now shift to some 2026 phasing considerations to help inform your modeling. We are well positioned to build upon our accomplishments in 2025, continuing to make advancements across our Innovative Medicine and MedTech portfolio and pipeline. We anticipate fairly consistent operational sales growth throughout the year, with a higher fourth quarter due to the benefit from the 53rd week referenced earlier.
Regarding Innovative Medicine, we expect a more pronounced impact from newly launched products throughout the year. We anticipate STELARA to continue to follow the HUMIRA erosion curve, which accelerated as we moved to the second half of 2025 compared to the start. While not nearly as impactful as STELARA, we do anticipate generic impact for both SIMPONI and OPSUMIT to begin in 2026, both of which are contemplated in our full year guidance.
In MedTech, we will continue to accelerate our newly launched products and expect normalized to seasonality. The surgery transformation progress will accelerate throughout the year, and we anticipate some additional rounds of volume-based procurement in China, all of which has been incorporated into our 2026 guidance.
Regarding the P&L, it is important to consider onetime items that impacted our EPS results in 2025. Specifically, in Q1 2025, the impact from STELARA biosimilars was pronounced given that the erosion accelerated starting in Q2. The Intra-Cellular acquisition anniversaries in Q2. And tariffs will be relatively linear in 2026, unlike last year where the P&L cost was largely recorded in Q4 2025. Given these factors, we expect higher earnings per share growth in the second half of the year versus the first half.
We are excited about how our pipeline is anticipated to advance in 2026. For example, in Innovative Medicine, we expect regulatory approvals for ICOTIDE in psoriasis, TECVAYLI in combination with DARZALEX in relapsed refractory multiple myeloma as early as second line, and TREMFYA for the innovation of structural joint damage for patients with psoriatic arthritis. As this chart indicates, we also have many important regulatory submissions and data presentations across oncology, immunology and neuroscience.
In MedTech, we anticipate the following approvals and regulatory submissions: OTTAVA robotic surgical system, ETHIZIA in biosurgery and the Dual Energy Thermocool SmartTouch SF catheter in the U.S. Here too, we are also excited for new launches and continued expansion of new products as seen in the chart.
To close the prepared remarks, I hope it's evident that Johnson & Johnson is entering 2026 with significant momentum. We are positioned to lead where health care is going to tackle areas of critical unmet need. Our strong financial position enables us to invest in our business and the next generation of scientific breakthroughs that will help improve patient outcomes while simultaneously delivering value for our shareholders.
None of this would be possible without the hard work and dedication of our incredible colleagues worldwide who always keep patients at the center of everything they do.
With that, we are happy to take your questions. So I will now turn it to Kevin to provide instructions for those seeking to participate in the Q&A.
[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Asad Haider from Goldman Sachs.
2. Question Answer
Great. Congrats on the quarter. Joaquin, maybe just a big picture question for you. You're entering this year in a clear position of strength, following what's been one of the best performance years for the stock in about 20 years. You've had momentum in both business segments, you're generating tremendous free cash flow and that you're saying is going to continue to elevate. And you've now started to talk more about double-digit revenue growth by the latter part of the decade, although Street consensus is currently modeling something in the 6% range.
So if you could just maybe double click a little bit more on what the key levers are to bridge to that double-digit growth profile from where we sit today, particularly in the context of the current revenue base that's now approaching $100 billion and remains sizable through the end of the decade even with the ortho spin? And I guess what we're really trying to understand is how much of the acceleration comes from the organic pipeline versus acquisitions versus portfolio pruning? And I guess related, what innings are we in of the strategic repositioning away from lower-growth segments like you're doing with ortho towards higher-growth segments?
Great question. Sure. I mean we came out of a really successful 2025, leaving the STELARA biosimilars in the rearview mirror and initiating a cycle of accelerated growth for Johnson & Johnson. And you have seen that we have provided a guideline -- guidance for 2026 which is strong and ahead of expectations. And as I said before, we have line of sight to double-digit growth in the later part of the decade, which is especially remarkable for a company that, according to our guidance, would be $100 billion in sales in 2026.
So what are the reasons to believe? The reasons to believe are focused on the strength of our portfolio and pipeline. And let me now take you through the 6 areas of focus that we are investing into the future.
Let me start with oncology. Our ambition with oncology is to become the #1 oncology company, reaching $50 billion by the end of the decade, sustained by our success in multiple myeloma and also in solid tumors with lung cancer, prostate cancer and bladder cancer. We are very confident on our progress there in our pipeline, and I'm sure we'll have some time to discuss that later in the call.
In our second area in Innovative Medicine, which is immunology, we are focusing on 3 major blockbusters. One is TREMFYA, which has been very successful in IBD. You have seen the growth in the fourth quarter, really spectacular 65%. TREMFYA in IBD launch is doing really well. And as a reminder, in the case of STELARA, IBD was 75% of the sales. So there is significant growth for TREMFYA ahead of us. We see TREMFYA more than a $10 billion asset.
The second one is ICOTIDE. ICOTIDE is the trademark of icotrokinra, our oral IL-23 blocker. We see IL-23 blocker expanding the market, becoming a new blockbuster for us. We expect to have the launch of ICOTIDE in 2026, initially in psoriasis. This is going to be a transformational change for the treatment of these diseases. And we plan to continue to develop ICOTIDE too in IBD, in inflammatory bowel disease.
And finally, the third blockbuster in which we will see data this year is our co-antibody therapeutic for patients that are refractory to biologics. I think that's a great solution for these patients; many of them relapse. So 3 major blockbusters in immunology, which are largely derisked, some of them are approved, filed or you're going to see data very, very soon.
To end in Innovative Medicine, we are very encouraged by the progress of SPRAVATO, more than 60% growth, and also the very successful launch of CAPLYTA in adjunctive treatment of major depressive disorder. We're seeing the first data coming in very, very encouraging. We see CAPLYTA, as we discussed, as additive to our growth and more than a $5 billion business. So all positives in our Innovative Medicine group clearly driving this line of sight to double-digit growth by the end of the decade.
If I move to our MedTech business, our cardiovascular sector, very strong growth in 2025, a double-digit growth, is reaching $9 billion, is one of the largest cardiovascular franchises in the industry. We are in 3 major markets, which are specialty markets with high growth, cardiac ablation where we are the leaders and we plan to expand our leadership in PFA with the launch of a new catheter every year and new CARTO versions, Tim will explain later, our strong position both in -- with Abiomed and Shockwave in heart recovery and in calcified arterial disease. So that's going to be a growth driver for us into the rest of the decade.
In surgery, we have had strong results both in wound closure and in biosurgery, which are high single digit in both areas. We just filed for OTTAVA, which is going to make us a relevant player in the surgery robotics market, which is an area in which we have all the right to compete. Let me remind all of you that we are in all hospitals in the world and we already participate in all surgeries, and we plan to be a relevant player in robotic surgery with OTTAVA and also with the launch of MONARCH in urology in which we are going to have a unique position.
Then finally, in vision, you see our results in vision. It's a market with growth. We're gaining share. And it's an area of innovation in which we plan to invest.
So we have about that dozen new product launches for the company. Some of them are already approved, most of them submitted. So I would say that in that sense, it's essentially what I would call derisked. And some of you have called our story of growth in the second half of the decade as one of the cleanest stories of growth for the health care sector, for the health care entire sector overall. So we feel very confident about our outlook is reflected in our guidance for 2026. And I can assure you that everybody here at Johnson & Johnson is focused on doing exactly what we do best, which is looking for innovation in medicines and medical technologies to improve the standard of care of the millions of patients that we serve. And we are convinced that that will translate in strong business results.
Our next question is coming from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo.
I'll echo my congratulations on a nice end to the year here. So Tim, there's some dynamics in the MedTech that you called out in the slides as well as the loss of coverage in the U.S. from the enhanced subsidies expiring. How are you thinking about the MedTech market in 2026 relative to 2025? And how are you thinking about J&J's adjusted operational growth in '26 versus '25. Do you expect an acceleration? And it would be helpful if you could touch upon the outlook for your EP business, which is growing below market.
Let me touch quickly on the first question around ACA subsidies and put that one to bed. Firstly, based on what we know today, we do not expect the loss of ACA subsidies or any potential policy changes under the Big -- The One Big Beautiful Bill to have a material impact on our MedTech performance. And we'll continue to monitor how coverage dynamics evolve. At this stage, we see no indication of an impact on our growth trajectory. The primary constraint as you know, Larry, in our business is really more about clinical capacity, not coverage levels, and procedure demand remained very robust across our portfolio, which I think really speak to the resilience of the businesses that we decided to participate in.
Turning to your question about the year, we do expect to see accelerate -- we expect the year to be better in 2026 than it was in '25. And I think it's important to maybe hedge this question on really our strategy. And I think you know for the last couple of years, we've been very clear in articulating our strategy focused on shifting our portfolio into higher innovation, higher growth and higher margin markets. And you just heard from Joaquin, we have deliberately chosen to focus on our 3 focus areas of CV, surgery and vision.
And I think our results, Larry, speak for themselves. Our strategy is working. We said we would accelerate our performance in the back half '25, and we did exactly that, beating consensus for the third consecutive quarter. And what we're most proud of, Larry, is that we saw acceleration across the board. As you heard from Joaquin, cardiovascular, now one of our largest businesses at $9 billion, grew 15.2% operationally in 2025, driven by success of Abiomed and Shockwave, both double-digit growers, and increasing performance in [ EP ], which I'll touch on a little later.
Vision, strong high -- mid- to high single-digit performer. Double-digit growth in surgical vision. And of course, we couldn't be more excited by the growth opportunity that will come with OTTAVA as we look to commercialize that first in the U.S., hopefully this year.
We've also seen continued improvement of ortho. You would have expected maybe some distraction as a result of the announcement we made. We've seen exactly the opposite with sequential growth during the quarter and 3.5% in Q4.
And so I'll finally reinforce, Larry, that [indiscernible] business today, we have roughly half of our assets participating in higher-growth markets growing north of 5%. That's compared to about 20% in 2018. And this will catapult to north of 70% following the ortho separation.
So as a result, we believe, frankly, that our best days are ahead. And we remain very confident in our ability to drive accelerated operational growth as we further push into higher areas of innovation, growth and margins.
Let me touch quickly on EP because I think that was another part of your question. The results speak for themselves, and they're speaking loud and clear. We're seeing continued acceleration in the markets that matter most, especially here in the U.S. and in Europe. You will have seen that in the fourth quarter, our growth accelerated to 9.5%. We're on the cusp of once again double-digit growth here in the United States, which is by far away the most important market. We're seeing this driven by success of VARIPULSE, more than 40,000 cases today, Larry, with a benchmark safety profile, that you heard from Joaquin, we made a commitment to an additional catheter each year for the foreseeable future, starting with Dual Energy as TSF, followed by OmniPulse, which is a large [indiscernible] catheter.
And we're also doubling down on our leadership position in mapping. And we now see really customers shifting back to CARTO based on the integration we have across our portfolio. And just to put this -- put a point on this, Larry, for example, our CARTO 3 system is widely recognized as the industry benchmark in mapping, in fact, in a recent study, it found that patients treated with PFA devices, whether that be ours or the competition's, using CARTO, was 61%, once again, 61% less likely to experience afib-related readmissions, which I think further reinforces the competitive advantage we have in this portfolio.
So I've said this before, Larry, and I'll end by saying that we are not rolling over. J&J's strength lies in our comprehensive portfolio of integrated EP solutions, mapping, ablation and cardiac imaging technologies, combined with our best-in-class mappers. And we remain resolute and confident that our deep EP expertise earned over 30 years and our robust pipeline position us well to continue to drive global leadership in this important space.
Next question today is coming from Chris Schott from JPMorgan Chase & Company.
Congrats on the results. Joe, can you just elaborate a little bit more on how to think about margin progression over time at J&J. You've obviously highlighted the potential for accelerating top line growth over the next several years. Should we think about that higher level of top line growth being associated with greater margin expansion or is this kind of 50 basis point year type improvement that you're seeing this year a reasonable proxy to think about margin expansion for J&J over time?
Chris, thanks for the question. Yes, it's a great question. As we look at the margin expansion, the idea would be to continue to improve our infrastructure. What gives me confidence with respect to 2026 outlook of at least 50 basis points is, as you know, with the orthopedic separation, much like we did with the consumer health separation, we're going to take this opportunity to look and see where there's areas of opportunity and efficiency to eliminate [ stranded ] costs. While that will probably need to be in place for 2027, we're going to get a jump start on that in 2026.
There's also, as you know from recent calls, efforts underway to improve our operating margins, our gross margins specifically, in our manufacturing footprint, largely in the MedTech space.
And then lastly, while we will have continued STELARA erosion, it will be off a smaller base, so that will have less of an impact going forward. And so I wouldn't want to give you a longer-term outlook. What I can say is I'll harken back to our last Investor Day where we said that earnings would be commensurate with sales growth. So you can expect that the margin profile will improve in conjunction with the sales growth profile as we move out to the next couple of years into the back half of this decade.
Next question today is coming from Joanne Wuensch from Citibank.
I'll add my congrats on a good quarter. I just want to spend a minute or 2 talking about vision care. You highlighted that as 1 of the 3 growth areas in Medical Technology. It looks like in your surgical business, it was a little bit slower during the quarter versus what we saw -- in the United States versus what we saw outside the United States. I mean if you could tease that apart a little bit and your views on the health of the contact lens market would be really welcome.
Joanne, thank you for your note. Once again, we have doubled down and really focused on vision as 1 of our 3 priority areas within MedTech. And as you highlighted, a strong fourth quarter at growth of just under 7%. Strong underlying performance within our contact lens category. While we did see a little softness, Joanne, in Asia Pacific, underlying demand is robust and we saw a tremendous growth at roughly 5.3% with share gains driven by the continued rollout of our ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day family, which I think you probably know that we've added to with the addition a product focused on multifocal astigmatism, the only product or only daily disposable available for patients suffering with both presbyopia and astigmatism. So we believe that's going to be a nice growth driver for the future.
Turning to surgical vision, growth of close to 11% in the quarter and all driven by our doubling down of our focus on premium intraocular lenses, both TECHNIS Odyssey launch here in the U.S. last year and PureSee more broadly globally. As you look to 2026, we're going to be further enhancing that performance building out the portfolio, specifically with the launch of PureSee here in the United States.
You touched on our fourth quarter performance. Underlying performance of our premium IOLs here in was outstanding. We did see that offset somewhat by some ongoing market declines in some of the legacy categories, which we're working to address. But we're confident that our surgical vision business can continue to be a strong double-digit growth for the foreseeable future.
A couple of other areas I'll focus on here is that we are expanding global market share, both in contact lens and surgical vision, not just winning here in the United States, but, more important, globally. We're focusing very much on portfolio optimization, and I do think the ortho separation enables greater capital allocation to vision, supporting both R&D, commercial execution and digital transformation. And so we're thrilled with the continued improvement in surgical vision and have great confidence in that continuing.
Next question is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley.
Congrats on the quarter. Obviously, multiple myeloma is another one of your key growth drivers here. I was wondering, post a lot of the earlier stage data -- earlier line data we've seen for TECVAYLI, if you could speak to how you're thinking about positioning here of that franchise relative CARVYKTI. And then the related question is, I know FDA published some final guidance regarding MRD negativity and CR's endpoint. So just thinking about how you might implement that across your development portfolio and what that could mean for time lines.
Thanks for the question, Terence. Yes, for multiple myeloma, we were absolutely thrilled with the data that we saw for TECVAYLI plus DARZALEX in the second line plus setting as well as most recently the TECVAYLI data in patients who are refractory to anti-CD38 lenalidomide therapy. And maybe if I take a step back, over the past 20 years, J&J therapies have dramatically improved survival for people with multiple myeloma from 3- to 5-year survival rates to 10 to 15 years now or more.
Yet despite these advances, multiple myeloma is still -- it's a complex disease, a heterogeneous disease. And about 40% of patients are currently in the second-line and third-line settings. So how do all of these agents fit? And why do we say that this is such an extraordinary opportunity?
Well, first, if we start off with the [ TEC DARA ] information, plus TEC-9 and CARVYKTI, together, they really provide highly effective agents that allow treatment that's tailored to the treatment goals the patient setting, access, the patient status and the prior therapy. So there's a number of things that get taken into account. So if we start off with TEC plus DARA, this is really community ready therapy that's proven an unprecedented efficacy rate in the second-line plus setting. The hazard ratio was 0.17. And so this is for patients who are CD38 naive or are CD38 experienced. And this is about 70% of the population in that second line and third-line setting.
You take a look at TEC-DARA, data, again, extraordinarily impressive, 71% reduction in the risk of disease progression, 40% reduction in overall survival. And this is for patients who are refractory to anti-CD38 therapy and ledalidomide therapies. And so you can see the 70% TEC-DARA and then the 30% for the TEC-9 data.
And then when you bring CARVYKTI in, CARVYKTI is really the most successful CAR T therapy. We just announced we're 10,000 patients who've been infused with this. And this is a single-dose therapy with a tremendous shot at what we would count as cure. And we're the only CAR T therapy that's got that superior overall survival versus the standard of care.
And so really when you take a look at what the goals are for that patient, what their prior lines of therapy would be and what the practice setting is, J&J now has an option for every one of those patients in that second line, third line setting. So we see a lot of growth potential ahead for these agents, as well as DARZALEX in the frontline setting.
Yes, maybe to get into your MRD, but first, just to supplement a little bit. I'd also note that the TECVAYLI regimens, whether it's monotherapy in CD38 refractory patients or the combo with DARZALEX in patients who are CD38-naive or have been exposed but still remains sensitive, these are dexamethasone-free regimens, which means that patients aren't on high-dose steroids, which really is an improvement on quality of life.
The other thing I wanted to note is that the FDA, in fact, was so impressed with our MajesTEC-3 data that, unsolicited, they contacted us and offered a priority review voucher to accelerate bringing this new regimen to patients. So really excited with that recent interaction with the FDA.
Indeed, on MRD, that is exciting for us. Last year there was an ODAC that endorsed that concept of using this biomarker, if you will, approach to finding those rare residual malignant cells. Much of the evidence behind that, frankly, was pioneered by J&J over the year. So we're excited that that is an option. We are mindful, however, that it's only an option in the United States, so we, at this point, we'll still have to deliver progression-free and overall survival data for other territories. So I suspect that will continue to be an element of our protocols. But indeed, we will be speaking with the agents we had opportunities to accelerate some of our development. And in that regard, I think, a place where this could be particularly apropos is with our new trispecific antibody for myeloma, [ Romantimig ], which brings the features of both TEC and TAL into a single molecule with unprecedented efficacy, improved tolerability as well, fewer, for example, of the taste effects that you might see with TALVEY, less weight loss, et cetera. Really improved tolerability. And then great convenience that makes it [ apropos ] for the community setting with only 1 step-up dose and Q4 week dosing for monthly dosing. Really excited about the pilot data we're seeing in newly diagnosed myeloma in combination with DARA with that trispecific. And that could be a really apropos place to discuss with the FDA using MRD negativity.
Next question today is coming from Danielle Antalffy from UBS.
I'll echo everyone's [indiscernible] strong into the year, and happy new year. Just a question on this move to higher growth end markets. Appreciate that you've done a lot of and are doing a lot of portfolio pruning now. You mentioned the 70% in a few years here. I mean, ultimately, I guess it's too [indiscernible] do you see that 70% moving higher? Or do you think that's like sort of the aspirational peak? That's the first part.
And the second part is, what are some other growth markets, whether it's in Innovative Medicines or MedTech where you guys are participating today that you see [indiscernible] to participate over that time frame, whether it's via organic or inorganic moves?
Danielle, thank you. I mean our aspiration is not to put a limit on the high-growth markets in which we participate. And I think we can conservatively say that, once we separate ortho, we'll be at least at 70%. And there is tremendous opportunity even just focused within the 3 business units we've decided to focus on within MedTech, both in cardiovascular, in surgery and in vision. I think we build your confidence around cardiovascular continuing to be a strong double-digit grower. Surgery, one of our profitable businesses where we maintain leadership positions, both in contact lens and surgical vision, we believe it's going to be a strong middle to high single-digit grower.
And then surgery is the major opportunity really to catapult our growth. And that comes down to our belief in OTTAVA. As you heard from Joaquin, we are absolutely resolute in our commitment to play a bigger role beyond open and laparoscopic surgery in robotics with OTTAVA. And what we are most confident about is that we have something that is unique and different and something that surgeons and health system CEOs tell us every day that they need.
And so while we're excited by the recent milestone and the submission for approval, we're just getting started. And what really highlights the fact that this is different is you'll recall that this is a very different regulatory pathway we chose. This is a de novo pathway. And the reason we chose that pathway is that there is no predicate device, nothing that can be compared against. And so this is a novel platform where there's no reference or predicate device. And so that, coupled with the fact that we're going after the U.S., should further reinforce our confidence in the fact that we believe we have something that is really different.
Now we're not stopping in the U.S. We're building our submissions in a parallel path fashion outside of the U.S. with a focus on Japan and some select U.S. markets. And you will have recalled from the announced we made 2 weeks ago, we're also already expanding into our next IDE clinical study in the lower abdomen. And so make no mistake that we believe that we can and will be a formidable player in surgical robotics. We don't take the current incumbent for granted by any means, but we do think that presence we have in open, laparoscopic and soon-to-be robotic surgery give us a right to play and a tremendous opportunity to drive to those high levels of growth that we've committed in the back half of the decade.
And then in Innovative Medicine, we are looking to expand in a number of really exciting areas, right now where we've got clinical work already underway. And so to give maybe a few examples, RYBREVANT in head and neck cancer and colorectal cancer, which is clinical trials underway. IMAAVY, which we haven't spoken about yet today, but areas such as Sjogren's disease and SLE, lupus, areas of really high unmet medical need, atopic dermatitis, of which we made a number of key acquisitions and licensing at the end of 2024, that give us a stable of assets there that we're working towards B cell malignancies with our [ BICARD ] that's in development. And even Milvexian that we're developing in partnership with Bristol-Myers Squibb and that we're very, very excited about for atrial fibrillation and secondary stroke prevention.
So a number of additional really key diseases that could be growth drivers for us in the future.
Next question today is coming from Vamil Divan from Guggenheim Securities.
Great. I just want to ask on INLEXZO, it's a couple of questions here. But just one, any sort of initial feedback you can share with us in terms of the initial launch and kind of what doctors and patients are saying, if there's any update on when you expect the government J-code? And then finally, just I see you listed SunRISe V data and potential submission on your events list for 2026. So that's good to see. I'm curious if you can just talk about how that data and how that might impact the addressable population for the product? And then tied to that SunRISe-3, I thought might come this year. You didn't include that one on the list. So just curious if you have any update on timing on when we might see data from SunRISe-3.
Great. Thanks so much for the question on INLEXZO. So we are really pleased with the launch and what we're seeing in terms of interest and receptivity by both urologists as well as the patients who had application of the device. As you recall, we've really launched into the BCG unresponsive population. And as you noted, we're actually looking to further expand that through SunRISe-5, the BCG experienced, and then SunRISe-3 population, the BCG-naive population. So so far, the interest and enthusiasm on this has been really, really robust.
We are anticipating the permanent J code at the beginning of the second quarter, sort of in that April time frame, which we think is going to be a really nice catalyst for utilization. And so we do continue to believe strongly that this is one of our $5 billion plus assets and really look forward to getting that permanent J code in the second quarter. John, do you want to talk about -- yes.
Yes. Just we're making great progress with this sleep product, INLEXZO. But I would also remind that we see a whole series of innovative products where we use these devices in the bladder to deliver different payloads. The next one on deck is containing erdafitinib that's the same targeted therapy that is currently marketed as BALVERSA for metastatic bladder cancer, but here delivered through a unique device, a customized device. It's not the same one as INLEXZO, but works in much the same way to deliver that targeted therapy. There, we are focusing on the so-called intermediate risk population, whereas INLEXZO is targeted for the high-risk population. So this broadens our coverage of patients with bladder cancer.
And just to remind people that localized bladder cancer is -- represents about 600,000 new cases per year and another 400,000 cases annually of patients who've relapsed and are looking for a solution that would allow them to save their bladder. So it's about 1 million patients a year. Between INLEXZO and now TAR-210, the erdafitinib carrying device, we'll be able to really address a very large percentage of these patients with these bladder sparing technologies. With TAR-210, the success rate we've been seeing with complete responses have been north of 90%. And so we're super excited about that, and there will be other devices with different payloads to come over time.
So we see this as a platform that will address this incredible unmet need and that will be a big growth driver for J&J. I would finally close by just giving a shout out to our colleagues in MedTech because this is just a wonderful example of how Innovative Medicines and MedTech can come together, bringing devices and drugs together in an unprecedented way, and we're looking for more ways to do that in the future.
The next question is coming from Shagun Singh from RBC Capital Markets.
Joaquin and Joe, could you spend some time and elaborate on your next steps with respect to the talc litigation, implications of the initial Daubert decision? I know you indicated it will be appealed, if the reserves need to be stepped up? And then most importantly, what are your plans for an eventual resolution and risk mitigation here? I think this may be contributing to the modest [ drop down ] today, even though you reported strong results and you have a very strong outlook through the end of the decade.
Yes, I'll start, Shagun, and then, Joaquin, I'll turn it over to you. So thank you very much for the question. And I want to thank you for acknowledging the strong results and outlook of the business, which is really what is at the heart of Johnson & Johnson. .
So last night, the Special Master reviewing the Daubert motions in the talc MDL issued what is known as a report and recommendation. So that really has no legal import until the judge actually accepts this recommendation. The recommendation itself excluded certain aspects of the plaintiffs expert witnesses and their opinions. And simultaneously, the recommendation also endorsed virtually all of our opinions of our experts.
However, there were other parts of the recommendation where the Special Master clearly failed to apply the new federal rules of evidence, known as Rule 702, which really reinforced, starting in December of 2023, the gatekeeping responsibilities that the Special Master should have had. We will certainly appeal those erroneous parts of the recommendation to the district court. Again, this recommendation from the Special Master has no legal consequence until the appeal is resolved.
The bottom line is this is not going to change our strategy. We will continue to aggressively fight in the court system each and every one of these meritless claims. We will do so whether it's at original trial or through appeal. And we will continue to really bring to light the actions of the plaintiffs as far the tactics that they use, the third-party litigation financing, all of which is really undermining U.S. business and U.S. competitiveness overall. Joaquin?
Thank you, Joe. Shagun, I would tell you and I would tell investors we have been navigating this talc issue already for a decade. And we have been able to continue to deliver excellent results, invest in our business and continue to return value to shareholders. So let's focus on the real story here. The real story is our successful 2025, the strong guidance for 2026 and, what you said before, our line of sight for double-digit growth in the later part of the decade. This is a clean story for us, one of the cleanest stories in the entire health care sector, and we're in a position of strength today.
And as Joe said, we are continue to fight these meritless claims and we're going to continue with our strategy of litigating every single one. What I can assure you and all investors is that every single employee of Johnson & Johnson does not get distracted. They wake up every day with the intent to bring new medicines and medical technologies that improve the standard of care of the millions of patients that we serve every day, and that's really our goal. Let's focus on what really matters. Let's don't get distracted.
I think we probably have time for one more question.
Our final question today is coming from Alexandria Hammond from Wolfe Research.
On your vaccine, can you talk a little bit about your confidence in this asset? What do you think you'll need to show to be competitive in what's already a pretty crowded space with another potential next-generation Factor XI from Bayer? And I guess as a quick follow-up, how can you leverage your past experience of commercializing Xarelto to make another multibillion-dollar opportunity for J&J?
So on Milvexian, we're expecting data readouts later this year for both secondary stroke as well as atrial fibrillation. We often get asked about atrial fibrillation because the competitor molecule had failed in that indication. And we cite a couple of things. One is that Milvexian, at least in vitro, is about 10x more potent than the other molecule that is being developed by another company. And we know from monitoring the APTT biomarker, the [ thromboplastin ] time, that we have very effective reductions in clotting at the dose that we have selected for atrial fibrillation, which is 100 milligrams twice a day. So we feel that we've got the right dose and the right study design. So we'll be looking forward to those data later this year.
We're really excited about the opportunity with Milvexian. And what we're really looking to show there is clear superiority in terms of safety and bleeding risk. We know from all of our experience in the market with Xarelto that there are a lot of patients that are not treated or are undertreated because of fear of safety risk. And so we think there's extraordinary need for highly efficacious and highly safe with low bleeding risk product in the market, both for atrial fibrillation and then we're very excited about the possibilities in secondary stroke as well.
So we're looking forward to this product that we're developing in collaboration with Bristol-Myers Squibb. It is absolutely one of our $5 billion plus assets on our list.
Okay. Thanks, Alex, and thanks to everyone for your questions and your continued interest in our company. I will now turn the call over to Joaquin for some brief closing remarks.
Thank you to all of you for joining the call today. As we have commented in the call, we are starting the year from a position of strength. We have the strongest portfolio and pipeline in our history, and we have a leading and expanding position in our 6 key business areas of focus. 2026 will be a year of accelerated growth and expanded impact and I look forward to sharing our progress with you in the remaining of the year. Thank you very much, and this finalizes the call.
Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson & Johnson's Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. You may now disconnect.
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Johnson & Johnson — Q4 2025 Earnings Call
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📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Q4-Umsatz: $24,6 Mrd. (operational +7,1% YoY)
- Jahresumsatz: $94,2 Mrd. (2025 +5,3% operational)
- Adjusted EPS Q4: $2,46 (+20,6% YoY); FY2025 adjusted EPS $10,79 (+8,1%)
- Free Cash Flow: $19,7 Mrd. 2025; Ziel ~ $21 Mrd. für 2026
- Headwind: STELARA-Biosimilare ~620–1.110 Basispunkte Wirkung; bereinigte Marge (EBT%) von 24,1% auf 28,7% verbessert
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Wachstumsfokus: Konzentration auf sechs Kernbereiche (Onkologie, Immunologie, Neurowissenschaften; Kardiovaskulär, Chirurgie, Vision) mit klarer Priorisierung von Innovation und Launch‑Execution
- Portfolio‑Reform: Geplante Abspaltung Orthopädie Mitte 2027 zur Fokussierung auf höher wachsende, margenstärkere Einheiten
- Investitionen: Über $32 Mrd. in R&D und M&A 2025; Ausbau US‑Fertigungen und gezielte Zukäufe (z. B. Intra‑Cellular, Halda) als Wachstumshebelfaktoren
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Umsatz 2026: operationales Wachstum 5,7–6,7% (Midpoint $100 Mrd., 6,2%); reported 6,2–7,2% (53. Woche ≈ +100 bps)
- EPS 2026: Adjusted EPS $11,20–$11,48 (Midpoint +5,5%); reported adj. EPS inkl. FX $11,53
- Margen & Sonstiges: Erwartete Verbesserung des bereinigten Vorsteuerergebnisses ≥50 bps; Net Interest $300–400M; effektiver Steuersatz 17,5–18,5%
- Risiken: anhaltende STELARA‑Erosion, erhöhte MedTech‑Zollkosten (~$500M) und Talc‑Rechtsstreitigkeiten
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Weg zu Double‑Digit: Manager sehen Beschleunigung vor allem durch organische Pipeline‑Erfolge (Onkologie, Immunologie) plus gezielte M&A; Orthospin soll Wachstumskonzentration erhöhen
- Talc‑Litigation: Aktueller Daubert‑Report wird angefochten; Management bleibt defensiv und signalisiert weitere Rechtsverfahren ohne sofortige Rückstellungsänderung
- Therapiespezifika: Detailfragen zu Multiple‑Myelom (TECVAYLI vs. CARVYKTI, MRD‑Endpunkte), INLEXZO‑Launch (permanenter J‑Code erwartet Q2) und Milvexian‑Daten später 2026
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Starke operative Ergebnisse und solide Bilanz schaffen Spielraum für Wachstum und Kapitalallokation; 2026 bleibt moderat (≈6% oper.), aber Management sieht klare Linie zu beschleunigtem Wachstum gegen Ende des Jahrzehnts. Wichtige Beobachtungspunkte: Launch‑Execution (OTTAVA, myelomale Regime, TREMFYA/ICOTIDE), STELARA‑Erosion, Zölle und Talc‑Verfahren.
Johnson & Johnson — 44th Annual J.P. Morgan Healthcare Conference
1. Question Answer
Good morning. I'm Chris Schott from JPMorgan. And it's my pleasure to be hosting this fireside discussion with Joaquin Duato, the Chairman and CEO of J&J.
Joaquin, happy new year.
Thank you.
Great speaking with you today.
Let me just open up the conversation, we're coming off of a year with significant outperformance for the stock, some really impressive kind of underlying fundamentals, would love just to hear about your top priorities for the company as we enter 2026.
Thank you. So first, thank you for organizing this impressive meeting. Every year JPMorgan does a very good job in bringing us all together and kicking off the year. So thank you for doing that.
And thank you for recognizing the performance of the company in 2025. Really we're very proud of how we performed in 2025, and it's kicking off a cycle of accelerated growth for Johnson & Johnson. We see the company doing better in 2026 than in 2025. And when we look at the later part of the decade, we have visibility for double-digit growth. And that is, I would say, impressive when you think about a company that, pretty soon, it's going to be the largest health care company with more than $100 billion in sales. So we are very optimistic about the cycle we are kicking off.
How is that possible? It's possible because we have tremendous strength and depth both in Innovative Medicine and in Medical Technology. We are focused on 6 areas, 3 in Innovative Medicine, that I'm sure we will discuss, oncology, immunology and neuroscience; and 3 in Medical Technology, cardiovascular, surgery and vision. So different from other companies, we are not focused on 1 or 2 growth drivers, and that makes our growth more sustainable and deeper.
Our execution this year has been really good, and I'm going to give you just a single data point. In the third quarter, which is the last thing that we reported, our Innovative Medicines group, when you exclude STELARA, grew 16%. That is a more than $50 billion business growing 16%. That's really pretty impressive. And I think that's what investors have recognized. If you ask me, frankly, that was in plain sight. But I think finally, they recognize that, and that has made us the top 3 Dow Jones performing stock across all sectors.
So how do we do that again, I'm sure you're asking me that, in 2026? And what are our priorities after such an impressive 2025? So 2026 is a year, as you have mentioned, that all the industry is leaving behind some of the policy overhangs and we are going to be focused on the fundamentals. And there's basic 2 fundamentals. How do we advance therapy for patients with our existing portfolio and new product launches? And also, how we continue to build our future through completing and fortifying our pipeline?
So when it comes to the new product launches, we have about a dozen new product launches, largely derisked, when you combine MedTech and Innovative Medicine. Some of them are ongoing, like, for example, TREMFYA in IBD or VARIPULSE in ablation. Some of them will occur in 2026, for example, the launch of ICOTIDE, icotrokinra, the first oral IL-23 blocker, or the launch of our new coronary catheter, Shockwave C2 Aero. So that's fundamental for us, how we are successful with some of these new product launches, which are driving our growth. And I'm sure we'll have opportunities to discuss that further later.
Then when it comes to building our pipeline, that is always a priority for us. And we have very recent examples of the progress we are making. One of them is the announcement that we did this month about the filing of OTTAVA de novo with the U.S. FDA, which is going to be our robotic soft tissue surgical system. And we plan to be a very relevant player in the robotic surgery space. Another one is what we announced also in December with the acquisition of Halda, a precision oncology platform that has an asset that we plan to develop in prostate cancer.
So that's really the fundamentals for us. And that is underpinned, as you know, with a very strong financial position. We have a AAA-rated balance sheet, a very strong cash flow generation. And that enables us to do 2 things at the same time. We can continue to invest, and at the same time, we can return value to our shareholders.
So when I look at 2026, I'm optimistic. And I want to be clear, we will provide guidance on 2026 when we announce our fourth quarter earnings, but we see 2026 being a better year than 2025.
Great. Before we jump into the core business, and there's a lot to dig into there, at the industry level, I think you mentioned there was a significant focus on policy last year with MFN, tariffs, et cetera. Just helpful to get your views of where we stand today, I know you have an agreement with the government, but just where J&J and the industry more broadly stands on these policy topics?
Yes. I mean I said it before, 2025 was very colored by these policy topics. I believe that now with the agreements that have been made with the Trump administration, we are going to be able to focus more on the fundamentals. What are the agreements? They are relatively similar. I mean on one hand is opening access and lowering prices for many medicines for Americans, and that's a positive step. On the other hand, it provides an exemption of pharmaceutical tariffs, which was an overhang.
And I think in totality, these agreements are positive and are a step in the right direction that would enable companies to do what we do best, which is focus on developing and manufacturing and commercializing medicines and medical devices. So I see that as a step in the right direction and I think it's going to be a positive factor for Johnson & Johnson and the rest of the industry.
In the meantime, in our case, as we announced on the occasion of the agreement last week, we continue to deliver on our plan to invest $55 billion in the U.S. in R&D, technology and manufacturing. And we also took the opportunity to announce the opening of 2 new plants, 1 in North Carolina in biologics, and another 1 in Pennsylvania in cell therapy. Our goal is that, at the completion of our $55 billion investment plan, essentially all the advanced medicines that are used in the U.S. will be manufactured here in the U.S. And I think that's great. It's great for the country, it's great to create jobs and it's great to create more resiliency in our supply chain.
Great. Coming back to the core business, I guess, roughly 2 years or so, I think you put out this annual top line growth target of 5% to 7% 2025 through 2030. I think since that time, you seem increasingly bullish on that growth outlook. Just how comfortable are you with that target today? And when you consider the growth drivers, what's performing better than expected? Anything you need more progress on? Just maybe kind of talk a little bit about the...
Yes. So in 2023, we provided this guidance of a growth for the entire company of 5% to 7%, compounded average growth, from 2025 through the rest of the decade. If you ask me now, I think I told you before, I feel increasingly confident that that's going to be the case. And as a matter of fact, when you look at 2025, we're going to exceed the forecast that we gave in 2023.
So why do I feel increasingly bullish on that forecast? We have a pipeline which is largely derisked. And as I said before, the value of our pipeline is in plain sight. If I go by our 6 areas that I mentioned before, we have incredible strength in all of them. Let me start with Innovative Medicine pharmaceuticals and with oncology.
We not only have said about the 5% to 7%, but we have set our goal for oncology to be a $50 billion business for Johnson & Johnson by 2030, being the #1 oncology company. I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to discuss that, but it's based on different factors.
One is our strength in multiple myeloma. With our DARZALEX, which remains the backbone therapy, our bispecifics and our cell therapy and the progress we are making also in R&D there. And then the strength that we are developing in lung cancer with RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE. RYBREVANT also, we have shown data already in the neck cancer and in colorectal cancer, so it's going to be a large product.
The strength that we are developing in prostate cancer with ERLEADA, but also now with our T-cell engager that we have presented data at KLK2-CD3 bispecific. And finally, in bladder cancer with INLEXZO, that it's going to be a new standard of care in non-muscle-invasive bladder cancer. So that's in oncology.
In immunology, we have tremendous opportunity. The most important one is TREMFYA, which is having a very successful launch in IBD. IBD is the biggest part of the TREMFYA market. We have signaled TREMFYA as being a more than $10 billion product. It's going to be bigger than STELARA, and I think the results that you are seeing in 2025 confirm that.
The second area of strength in immunology is icotrokinra. It has a commercial name now, ICOTIDE, which is going to be the first oral IL-23 blocker. It's going to essentially expand the market for people that didn't have access to advanced therapies or didn't want to have an injectable, and it's going to be the first option as an oral systemic therapy. And as I said, we plan to have the launch of icotrokinra 2026, this year.
And then finally, IMAAVY, our FcRn inhibitor, that is approved now for myasthenia gravis. We are going to file this year for warm autoimmune hemolytic anemia. And you may have seen the data that we have shown already both in Sjogren's and in lupus, showing very promising data. We also see IMAAVY as a $5 billion asset down the road as we continue to build the different indications.
And then the third area of strength in Innovative Medicine is neuroscience. The results of SPRAVATO are very impressive. I think they have exceeded all expectations. It's a multibillion-dollar product and it's growing north of 50%. And we are very excited about CAPLYTA, which comes from the acquisition of Intra-Cellular. And we just got the approval of CAPLYTA in adjunctive treatment of major depressive order in December, and we are off to a terrific start there.
So those are all the growth drivers that you are going to be seeing in our Innovative Medicine pharmaceutical business. All of them are largely derisked.
If I move to MedTech, our MedTech business is now squarely focused on high-growth areas of cardiology, surgery and vision. We have announced the separation of our orthopedics franchise, which is ongoing. And when it comes to cardiology, we have one of the largest cardiology franchises in the industry, it's close to $9 billion and is growing double digit. It's focused on cardiac ablation, on heart failure, heart recovery with Abiomed, and in calcified arterial disease with Shockwave, and we are very optimistic about the trajectory of our cardiovascular business there.
In surgery, we have leadership positions in biosurgery and also in wound closure. They are all growing high single digit in 2025, very strong franchises for us in which we have leadership positions. And we plan to be a very relevant player in robotic surgery. One effort is OTTAVA, that I mentioned before, in soft tissue robotics. And the other one is MONARCH in urology. So we are also planning to launch our MONARCH robot in urology. It will offer both percutaneous and endourology access. And the first indication would be in difficult-to-treat kidney stones.
And then finally, in vision, we have a strong position. We are the leader in contact lenses, a great franchise for us, a very reliable grower. And we are gaining share strongly in our surgical vision franchise with the launch of our premium intraocular lenses.
So overall, I feel very confident about our position in these 6 areas in which we have depth and strength. And as I said before, we don't depend on 1 or 2 drivers. We have a bunch of them, And that's going to make our growth more solid, more reliable.
I know the past few years you've highlighted some large disconnects between J&J's internal forecasts and analyst expectations. I think some of us were -- had some skepticism at first, but you've consistently beaten numbers and we've seen Street revisions going higher. When you look at where the Street is today, is there anything in particular that stands out to you in terms of how the Street is modeling key growth drivers or where there's still -- you see still upside to numbers?
As I look at it, there's 2 products now that I think are still underestimated. One is TREMFYA, especially because the success in IBD has not yet been reflected. And in the case of STELARA, if you remember, IBD was 75% of the sales of STELARA. So TREMFYA in IBD is one. We see TREMFYA, as I said, as a more than $10 billion product.
The second one in the short term is RYBREVANT. RYBREVANT, we just had the approval of the subcu formulation. It offers overall survival which is unmatched. It's likely to be able to double the overall survival -- the 5-year overall survival, the percentage of patients that are alive after 5 years, compared to the standard of care. And we have presented data both in head and neck and in colorectal cancer which is very promising. So RYBREVANT still remains underestimated.
If I look to the later part of the decade, perhaps the one that is less valued is INLEXZO. INLEXZO, the first indication is in BCG unresponsive patients. But it's going to continue to grow as we expand the indications there with patients that relapse on BCG or patients that are BCG-naive. So I would focus on these 3 products as products that are still underestimated by the Street: TREMFYA, RYBREVANT and INLEXZO.
I guess digging into the immunology portfolio a little bit more, I mean, obviously, we're seeing some real traction with TREMFYA here, can you talk about what you've been seeing and how it's been relative to your expectations, these IBD launches so far and kind of the new share that you're taking there? And then when we kind of layer in the oral IL-23, how more broadly does that portfolio evolve in the next few years?
Yes. So TREMFYA, it's a dual-acting IL-23. So it's structurally and functionally different from the other IL-23. It does block the cytokine IL-23, but also it blocks the receptor on the CD64 cells that produces IL-23. So it has a unique mechanism of action.
And when it comes to the data on inflammatory bowel disease, both in UC and in CD, it has unmatched histologic and endoscopic response rate. So we were very bullish on TREMFYA knowing that the clinical profile was unmatched, consistent with the type of structure and functionality of the medicine.
We also have a particular advantage that is consistent with that differentiation, which is we are the only IL-23 that has subcutaneous both in induction and in maintenance. And you may think, okay, is that important? For the physicians, that is a game changer. And that is giving us an advantage during this period of launch, and we are exceeding our expectations, as you will see when we present our results of the fourth quarter.
There's other elements that prove this TREMFYA superiority, and one is, for example, in psoriatic arthritis. We presented data of our APEX study in which we had very strong inhibition of structural damage, being the only IL-23 that has proved inhibition of structural damage in PSA. So we feel very strongly about TREMFYA being a product of more than $10 billion that is going to lead in the class, which is preferred by physicians today, which is the IL-23. I think there's no question that IL-23 are now preferred in IBD versus any other category. So we see TREMFYA leading there and continue to grow in psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis.
Then we move into icotrokinra. And I want to stress, icotrokinra is a breakthrough; it's completely different. It's going to be the first oral medicine that has a profile and an action like an injectable biologic. It's different from the others. It's blocking IL-23. It's an oral peptide that blocks IL-23.
The initial indication is going to be in psoriasis. There's a lot of room for extending the penetration in psoriasis. We believe that the psoriasis market is about 30% to 40% penetrated. So an oral medicine is going to increase access, is going to increase penetration. And it's going to bring patients in every aspect in psoriasis, psoriatic arthritis and in IBD that were afraid of injectables. So that's going to clearly expand the market.
We plan to develop icotrokinra or ICOTIDE not only in psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, but also in IBD in which we are going to start Phase III study. So I see ICOTIDE as a major product and I see ICOTIDE becoming the systemic therapy of choice in all indications, expanding the market, being a very significant product for us, which is, again, largely derisked as we have seen the data.
In terms of that positioning, so it sounds like it is more market expanding versus trying to pit the 2 products against each other. So in terms of an organizational standpoint, will these be the same sales forces selling these drugs? Or how do you think about kind of the go-to-market strategy with this?
The go-to -- I mean, we are going to let the physician and the patient decide what is best for them. So some patients may prefer an oral, some patients may prefer an injectable. Physicians may have different algorithms in how we do it. But we don't see any reason why we should not put TREMFYA as a first-line injectable and ICOTIDE as a first-line oral. So we are going to put all our best effort behind both of them.
So we are not going to prioritize one versus the other. We're going to let the physician and the patient decide what is the best therapy for their patients. And clearly, I think there is room for both and it's going to expand the market and bring us a very strong position in IBD.
I would tell you, it's not only what we are doing with TREMFYA that we discussed, but also what we are doing with orals. The third element of the stool here is what we are doing in combination therapies too. Because despite of all the progress with TREMFYA and ICOTIDE, there are still a number of patients that relapse. So we are working in combination therapies and we have an injectable combining a TNF and an IL-23.
In this case, guselkumab, TREMFYA, and golimumab, SIMPONI, in a single subcu vial that would be the therapy of choice for refractory patients. So we'll cover the entire space in IBD: orals, injectables and combination therapy for refractory patients. So that's why I am so confident on the success of our immunology franchise, which today is the largest franchise within Johnson & Johnson.
Yes. Some great momentum there. Switching over to myeloma. You've got obviously a very large portfolio here, a very large pipeline. Maybe just set the stage, how do you think about the key drivers for growth within those various assets that you have in market or presumably coming to market?
Yes. So let me take a step back and talk about myeloma, how Johnson & Johnson has advanced the standard of care for myeloma patients in the last decade. I mean the life expectancy for a myeloma patient was measured in years, and now is measured in decades. We have developed half of the therapies in multiple myeloma in the last decade. And our goal is to have about 4 out of 5 patients that have myeloma with 1 Johnson & Johnson product in the regimen that they use. So we have a very strong role in improving the life expectancy of the myeloma patients in multiple areas.
Starting with DARZALEX, which is our largest product, is the backbone of therapy of most of the myeloma regimens. When people talk about myeloma, they normally are talking about combining with DARZALEX. Everywhere, right? So we know that most of the clinical studies that are on multiple myeloma have DARZALEX as the backbone, and the results are there.
CARVYKTI, which is our cell therapy, has demonstrated overall survival versus the standard of care as early as second line. So very impressive. And sometimes, patients prefer to have this one-and-done type of therapy because they don't want the fact of having to come to the hospital for continuous infusions. So CARVYKTI is doing very well. We are unrestricted from a supply perspective, and you're seeing the growth that CARVYKTI is giving us.
And then finally, our bispecific antibodies, our BCMA, CD3 and GPRC5D, CD3, TECVAYLI and TALVEY. Very recently we have presented very impressive data of the combination of TECVAYLI and DARZALEX in second-line patients. Very impressive, perhaps the most impressive data ever seen in multiple myeloma. We plan to have the approval of this combination this year. And it's going to make TECVAYLI and DARZALEX in patients in second-line therapy of choice. And that's going to help to expand the use of the bispecifics in the community side. And we plan to do a similar development pathway with TALVEY.
So I see multiple options in first line, multiple options in second line, and in later lines, also options with cell therapy. So I see a clear growth of our multiple myeloma franchise. And we've been bold there and we've said that, look, we see our multiple myeloma franchise being more than $25 billion by 2030, and it may be even conservative.
Yes. A couple -- we've seen a number of companies that are going after myeloma space with next-generation therapies. What do you think J&J needs to do to enable this -- kind of sustain this leadership position that you have in this category?
We have a full dedication to multiple myeloma. I mean our organization is disease focused, and we focus on the disease, and we have multiple platforms in multiple myeloma: cell therapy, bispecifics, antibodies. And we have the experience and the reach to be able to be always one step ahead in our search for cures.
Examples of why we are one step ahead. The combination of bispecifics and DARZALEX is an example of being one step ahead. Our trispecific, which is going to enter Phase III pretty soon, which is a GPRC5D, BCMA, CD3 redirector is an example of being one step ahead. And we have collaborations in in vivo CAR-T, for example, with Kelonia, to work in multiple myeloma too. So our goal here is always being one step ahead in the search of a cure for patients with multiple myeloma. And what you see is that the rest of the company, the rest of the company is just following our tail.
Absolutely. Just as we -- maybe one more on pharma before we go to MedTech. Just beyond immunology and oncology, what are some of the things you're most excited about in the portfolio that you think don't get enough attention or we should be really focused on as growth drivers?
Yes. So our neuroscience franchise is a strong one. SPRAVATO is growing very fast. And it's the only and best therapy for patients that have failed multiple therapies in major depressive disorder. I am very excited about CAPLYTA. CAPLYTA has 3 indications: schizophrenia, Bipolar 1 and 2 and, recently, major depressive disorder, which is the largest one. The launch is off to a very good start. We have signaled CAPLYTA of more than $5 billion product, and we are very confident on that.
And we know this space really well because we've been there for many, many years too. And it's a growth driver that was not factored in when we were talking about the 5% to 7%, so it's additional to that growth. So I'm very excited about our presence in neuroscience. And we will continue to invest there in neuroscience and we have a number of other assets that are coming in neuroscience.
And then another growth driver that we have not discussed, but I have my colleague from BMS discussing that before, is Milvexian, which by the way is a 50-50 collaboration between Johnson & Johnson and BMS. We have good experience there with XARELTO. And this could be another important medicine for patients and it could become a significant growth driver in the short term.
So that's really how you see the pharmaceutical group. When I look at the opportunities in front of us and the number of new product launches, I have never seen something like that and I am in the company 37 years. I mean if I go one by one, you have TREMFYA in IBD, RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE in lung cancer, INLEXZO in bladder cancer, IMAAVY in myasthenia gravis and pretty soon in warm autoimmune hemolytic anemia, CAPLYTA in major depressive disorder. So all together look at a very strong show-up for Johnson & Johnson in 2026.
Absolutely. Pivoting over to MedTech. I know improving the growth prospects of this franchise was one of your key priorities in your tenure as CEO. We're a few years into that process. Just would like to get a sense of where you think we are in that repositioning of the MedTech portfolio.
We are making strong progress there. And you've seen our results in 2025 and it's been a continuous progression of improvement in MedTech. In MedTech, we have also said that we plan to grow 5% to 7%, with a bias towards the higher end of that area. We are now, as I said before, focused on high-growth markets of cardiology, surgery and vision. And we are separating our orthopedics franchise, which is going to create a leading orthopedics franchise and a strong competitor. And at the same time, it's going to help us improve our growth rates and also improve our margins and focus on areas where we have strong medical innovation.
So what are our priorities there? Number one is to continue our growth in our cardiovascular franchise. And the most important area there is cardiac ablation and atrial fibrillation. We're gaining back share in PFA with VARIPULSE, and we plan to have a 2026 in cardiac ablation which is going to be better than the one we had in 2025.
Why is that? We are going to continue launches of new catheters and improve -- we are going to continue to improve VARIPULSE. We're going to be launching a dual-energy catheter, which will have PFA and RF, which is the STSF catheter. We're going to continue to improve our diagnostic tools. We continue to improve our imaging tools and also our CARTO mapping system. So we plan to continue to invest in electrophysiology to maintain and expand our leadership there, being the fastest growing market now in the cardiology space.
When it comes to heart recovery and Abiomed, we are utilizing the data coming from this DanGer study that shows significant improvement in survival for patients in cardiogenic shock that had heart attack, in a 10-year follow-up, 600 days of improvement over survival, almost 2 years. And that's helping us to move up our Impella pump in the AHA guidelines, and that's driving market growth. And we have limited competition in that area.
And then with Shockwave, as I said earlier, we are about to launch a new coronary catheter, and coronary is the most important market in Shockwave, which is going to provide more maneuverability and ease of use. And we plan to continue launching new catheters every year in order to provide more options to interventional cardiologists. So I feel very confident of our progress in cardiology, and that's our #1 priority now.
When it comes to surgery, our #1 priority is to carve out a relevant presence in the soft tissue robotic surgery market. We're going to do it with OTTAVA. We will do it with MONARCH Urology. I have to be clear, look, we are in all hospitals in the world. We are a global company from a surgery perspective. All surgeons use our biosurgicals and our sutures, our instruments, both staplers and energy devices. And we are fully determined to carve out a significant space in the robotic surgical area. And our OTTAVA system has significant elements of differentiation in order to accomplish that. And ultimately, hospitals, physicians and surgeons want to have competition and want to have options. And we plan to capitalize on that fully and put the strength of Johnson & Johnson behind that.
And then finally, vision is a great space for us. Contact lenses, we are the #1 company. We are launching a new line of contact lenses, ACUVUE OASYS MAX, that are giving us growth in our share. And also we continue to launch our premium IOLs. So I see a very positive trajectory for our MedTech business.
And I believe the combination of having these 6 areas in which we have leadership and strength makes Johnson & Johnson unique and a stronger company down the road. And that's why you can see the type of growth rates that you see in Johnson & Johnson, is because we don't depend of a single platform. We have multiple options to be able to improve the standard of care of patients.
Yes. Let me just back to the decision to separate the orthopedic business. Just why now for that? What led to that decision? Why is that the right move for J&J?
Yes. So look, we have to be able to be active portfolio managers. So our goal is to be a company which is squarely focused on medical innovation. So we have to go to the areas where we can make a bigger difference in improving the standard of care of patients. That's part of who we are. And you have to see this in the context of the separation of our consumer business that now follows the separation of our orthopedics business. It's bringing more clarity about what is our mission, which is about medical innovation. It's about bringing transformational therapies or medical devices that improve the standard of care of patients.
So we think that by focusing in cardiology, surgery and vision, we bring more clarity to do that, and we facilitate rich allocation to those areas where we think there's more medical innovation. And at the same time, we reduce the complexity of our MedTech business.
Orthopedics is a great business. It's one that has very stable cash flows. It's driven by the aging of the population. So we are all going to need some type of orthopedic support. But as far as medical innovation, frankly, it's not comparable to surgery or what we are seeing in cardiology.
So that's why we wanted to be active portfolio managers. It enables us to increase our growth rate and our margins. And at the same time, we are creating a company which is going to be the leading company in orthopedics. And we are putting all the elements to make it a real leader in orthopedics. The separation will take some time. We'll have experience in doing that as we already did in the consumer. So we see the trajectory moving into a situation of a spinoff sometime in the second part of 2027.
Okay. Great. Just last one maybe on MedTech. Major milestones we should be thinking about for the portfolio this year, what would you highlight?
I mean the most important milestones that you should be thinking about the portfolio this year will be the approval of OTTAVA, that should happen sometime in 2026. Would be the approval of MONARCH Urology that should happen also sometime in 2026. The approval of the new coronary catheter for Shockwave C2 Aero. And then finally, there's a number of things going on, both in orthopedics and in surgery, that will help us continue to complement our product lines today.
But the most important one will be the approval of OTTAVA in robotic surgery. We have 1 indication, upper abdominal procedures, and we have to meet the second one, inguinal hernia. So that would be the most important milestone for us in 2026.
Right. And with those '26 approvals, how do we think about the robotics platform starting to really contribute to growth? Is that something we should think about in '27 or would that take a little bit of time to get to...
You should think about -- I mean, we have a large MedTech franchise. So you should think about our robotic platform, including MONARCH and including OTTAVA, playing an important role for growth from 2028 onwards. That's when the growth would be material for Johnson & Johnson. Will start to have some impact in 2027, but if you're going to think about materiality of the impact, you should think about 2028.
Right. Bigger picture question, think about capital deployment. J&J has obviously had a very strong history of kind of early to mid-stage licensing partnership type of deals. As we think about 2026 and the growth platform you just outlaid, obviously, lots of things going in the right direction, how do we think about further portfolio expansion via business development? Kind of what's the priority right now? What's the balance when you think about smaller deals versus more commercial-stage deals? Just any perspective would be great.
The focus and the sweet spot for us has always been the same: early-stage deals. So that will continue to be our focus. Some of them are deals that do not even make a press release. For example, icotrokinra, ICOTIDE, was a small deal, or INLEXZO was a small deal too. Some of them are deals that do make a press release but are relatively small, like the Halda Therapeutics deal.
So that is the sweet spot for Johnson & Johnson, and that's where our R&D and business development teams are focused, is to be able to identify technologies or medicines that are going to have a promise to disrupt the standard of care, to be real transformational early on. So then we can put all the strength of our early development group, of our chemistry group sometimes, of our manufacturing, of our commercialization to maximize value of that. I have to be clear, that's the goal.
Now we have the financial strength too to be opportunistic and to do what it takes. Sometimes we do it, like we did with Intra-Cellular or what we have done in MedTech with Abiomed and Shockwave. But the sweet spot for us is early-stage deals. We are fortunate that in order to deliver in our growth trajectory, we don't need to do any type of large M&A. So investors have to be confident that we are going to be focused on early-stage deals and be opportunistic if the right opportunity come our way.
Great. Well, just as we wrap up here, any closing remarks on the J&J story and how you're thinking about things?
J&J story, I mean, I go back to the beginning. Pleased about 2025. We are now kicking off a cycle of accelerated growth. We don't depend on a single platform, we have multiple growth drivers. And we see '26 being better than '25. And we have line of sight to double-digit growth by the later part of the decade, which is really impressive for a company that pretty soon will be more than a $100 billion company.
Absolutely. Thank you again for coming today.
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Johnson & Johnson — 44th Annual J.P. Morgan Healthcare Conference
📣 Kernbotschaft
- Kernaussage: Management signalisiert Start eines beschleunigten Wachstumszyklus: 2026 soll besser als 2025 werden, langfristig Sicht auf zweistellige Wachstumsraten gegen Ende des Jahrzehnts. Wachstum stützt sich auf sechs fokussierte Bereiche (3 Innovative Medicine, 3 MedTech) sowie eine stark deriskte Produktpipeline.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Fokusbereiche: Innovative Medicine: Onkologie, Immunologie, Neurowissenschaften. MedTech: Kardiologie, Chirurgie, Vision — damit keine Abhängigkeit von 1–2 Treibern.
- Launch-Plan: ~12 New-to-market Launches (z.B. TREMFYA in IBD, ICOTIDE oral IL‑23, RYBREVANT SubQ, INLEXZO, Shockwave C2 Aero, OTTAVA/MONARCH Robotics).
- Kapitalallokation: AAA-Bilanz, $55 Mrd. US-Investitionsprogramm (Fertigung/R&D), aktive Portfoliosteuerung inkl. Orthopädie‑Spinoff (Ziel: H2 2027).
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Regulatorisch/Produkte: OTTAVA De‑Novo bei FDA eingereicht; Management erwartet Zulassungen für OTTAVA, MONARCH und Shockwave C2 Aero in 2026; ICOTIDE‑Markteinführung geplant für 2026.
- M&A/Assets: Übernahme von Halda (Präzisionsonkologie) angekündigt; Milvexian (50/50 mit BMS) als zusätzlicher kleinerer Wachstumsfaktor erwähnt.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Politiküberhang: Abkommen mit US‑Regierung (Preise/Exemption von Pharmazöllen) reduziert Policy‑Risiken; J&J sieht Fokus zurück auf Fundamentaldaten.
- Street‑Modelle: Management sieht TREMFYA, RYBREVANT und INLEXZO weiterhin vom Markt unterschätzt und erwartet Upside gegenüber Konsens.
- GTM & Robotics: Diskussion über Vertrieb für orale vs. injizierbare Immuntherapien; Robotics erwartet ersten Impact 2027, materieller Effekt ab 2028.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Investment‑Takeaway: Diversifiziertes, größtenteils derisktes Produktportfolio plus starke Bilanz reduziert zyklische Risiken; Schlüssel‑Catalysts 2026 (ICOTIDE, OTTAVA, MONARCH, Shockwave) sind auszuführen — Anleger sollten Launch‑Execution, Zulassungszeitplan und die Nachfrageentwicklung bei TREMFYA/RYBREVANT genau beobachten.
Johnson & Johnson — Citi Annual Global Healthcare Conference 2025
1. Question Answer
Good afternoon. I'm really ready to do that. But I am Joanne Wuensch. I am the medical technology analyst here at Citibank and thrilled to have with us Michael Bodner from Johnson & Johnson.
Thank you.
Michael, thank you for joining us.
It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me.
We do not get a lot of exposure to electrophysiology from J&J. And so I would love to just sort of start off big picture. How do you think about the health of the medical technology market and particularly as you think about it in terms of procedures and CapEx?
Well, look, it's an honor to be here, and thank you for inviting me. Maybe to start, because this is the first time I'm addressing this group, I can do a quick introduction. I've been at Johnson & Johnson roughly 9 years. And just before this role, leading our electrophysiology and neurovascular businesses, I was leading the acquisitions of Abiomed and Shockwave. And then prior to that, I was our Worldwide President for Biosense Webster, but I've got an extensive experience both in the U.S. and internationally across cardiovascular devices.
To address your question, when we look at the health of the MedTech industry, it's strong and resilient. And it's driven by the aging population, but also continued access to care around the world. When we look at those capital cycles, those are in balance at the hospital level on being mindful of near-term cash and capital constraints, but also being competitive amongst other hospitals and bringing technology in that improve patient outcomes and drive more efficiency.
And in our MedTech business, we're focused on 3 core areas. Number one is cardiovascular; number two is surgery and number three is vision. Within the cardiovascular space, that's where we've been making some of our boldest moves, particularly with Abiomed and Shockwave of late. And EP is the cornerstone of our investments and activity within the cardiovascular space. And it's really high-tech MedTech at its best, right? Lots of innovation, lots of unmet need and lots of procedure volume, particularly driven by atrial fibrillation.
Excellent. And when you think about J&J's electrophysiology franchises, what are its strength and weaknesses, both in the U.S. and outside the United States?
Yes. In the U.S. and outside the U.S., we're the clear leader in electrophysiology, and that's anchored to our benchmarking CARTO System. That's our world-leading imaging system.
Now when we're involved with these cardiac procedures, it's a soft tissue procedure and the physicians really need to know where they are in 3D electroanatomical space. And our strength there is around a full ecosystem of mapping technologies, software, ablation catheters and the imaging, and it all works together.
We have the most extensive network of CARTO Systems worldwide and really strong clinical mappers that really partner hand-in-hand with their physicians on how to diagnose and best guide on where to ablate to best treat those patients.
When you look at some of the unique features of CARTO, it's the integration with cardiac imaging. And that gives physicians additional safety parameters. We also have a zero-fluoro workflow. That means that physicians don't need to expose patients to unnecessary radiation, and they also don't need to wear heavy letted aprons or expose their staff to radiation or wearing those heavy letted aprons.
We also have the ability to provide physicians with intraoperative queues. Now with the shift from RF to PF, the intraoperative queues that they used to have like signal attenuation and impedance drops that guided them that they were doing a good ablation, those no longer exist with pulsed-field ablation.
So they're relying on the mapping system even more to understand are they truly touching the tissue and have they delivered the right dose of therapy to the right areas of the heart, and they need to know where they've been and where they still need to go.
And how many CARTO Systems do you have worldwide?
We have over 5,000 systems worldwide.
And are the majority of those in the United States? Or how do we think about that geographically?
They're very well distributed worldwide.
And I think I want to spend just a minute talking about international EP because in that market, PF arrived several years before it arrived here in the United States. What was your experience having that stronghold of CARTO?
So there's -- with the value of having a mapping system and the shift from those queues like I stated before, from seeing signal attenuation, seeing impedance drops that enabled us to be even more in the cases and partner even stronger with the physicians. The physicians really wanted to understand how the PFA was working, right? It's a very early modality, right?
We have over 20 years of experience with RF and PF is new. And PF is very varied and differentiated amongst the different companies. It's based on the type of voltage. Is it bipolar? Is it unipolar? Is it biphasic? Is it monophasic? There are so many variabilities that can be addressed. But the #1 is are they touching cardiac tissue? How much are they applying the energy and where else do they need to be? And so they are anchoring to the need for the mapping system even more with PFA than what we saw before with RF.
So sticking outside the United States because I'm going to switch shortly. Other imaging modalities exist and are being introduced. And what have you found in terms of the stickiness of CARTO?
So CARTO is a platform that's been around 30 years. This month is actually its 30th birthday. And it's a system that physicians have been trained on. It's what they learned on in fellowship, and we have been constantly updating CARTO. We're on a cadence of major updates with CARTO at least twice a year, and we will continue that cadence into the future.
And so it's what they learned on, it's what they trained on. And CARTO is very comprehensive. It can treat all arrhythmia types. So we're talking about Afib, but Afib is roughly 60% of the market. There's also super ventricular tachycardias. There's atrial tachycardias. There's flutters and there's ventricular tachycardias. And those are very sophisticated arrhythmias to treat, and you need a sophisticated system to do so.
So CARTO has the ability to treat from the simplest to the most complex arrhythmia types, and it gives those physicians the workflow that they're most accustomed to and data that helps them get the best outcomes for their patients.
So when the other systems came on the market, you found it highly sticky is what I'm hearing you say.
Very sticky.
And so are hospitals taking space for a second navigation or a third navigation system? Or are they just using other PFA catheters on the CARTO System?
So historically, it's been a duopoly. It's been basically Johnson & Johnson MedTech electrophysiology, previously known as Biosense Webster and Abbott. Medtronic was also playing in the space with cryo, but not with mapping. Boston, then came in with a mapping system as the third, and now Medtronic is coming in with the fourth. It's starting to get crowded from a mapping system perspective.
Now we partner closely with our physician community, and they wanted to be able to map competitive PFA with CARTO, and we enabled that with software updates. And now as we're launching our own PFA with VARIPULSE, we're seeing the shift from competitive PFA to VARIPULSE because of the fully integrated applications of VARIPULSE with CARTO. They get those real-time indicators; they get really strong procedural indicators that they've delivered the right lesions, and they need -- and they know where they've been and where they need to go. They can also do this with a complete zero-fluoro workflow.
And are you finding -- we spoke first about OUS. Are you finding the same dynamic here in the United States?
Yes, even more so. In the United States, mapping is a cornerstone of the procedure. I would say it's 100%, but let's say, it's greater than 99% of electrophysiologists in the United States are mapping.
Are you finding people are doing more mapping with PF than they did with RF or cryo?
Well, they're mapping. It's just depending on the clinical situation, if it's a simple procedure, which is becoming less and less, by the way, patients are becoming more complex, if their workflow is to treat just the veins, they can do a simple math to treat just the veins. But if it's beyond the veins, also known as like PVI plus, then they need sophisticated mapping catheters that are high density like an [indiscernible] that then gives them guidance on where to ablate beyond the veins, and that can be quite complex.
So I want to spend some time on J&J's PFA catheter VARIPULSE. And the product was launched earlier in the year, paused, relaunched. What have you seen in the uptake? And how is the momentum continuing?
Yes. So we have done over 30,000 cases since the pause and the momentum is building rapidly week-over-week. We had a really nice data readout back in September at ESC. We saw our VARIPURE data. So this is a real-world data set of 791 patients. And this is a registry, but it was also core lab adjudicated. And a lot of times, what you'll see is that in the real world, you may not always match what you see in an IDE study. And a lot of times in an IDE study, those are simpler patients. In the real world, they're more complex.
Well, in the VARIPURE study with 791 patients, we saw a 99.7% acute success rates. And this was across 20 different centers and 62 different operators. So you got variability in technique, clinical practice and site of care. We also saw 0 strokes in an extremely low event rate. So it's emboldening us with the safety that we have. We're doubling down on building additional evidence, and we're starting to see that momentum coming through in the United States.
We're also using the opportunity to turn VARIPULSE into a complete platform. So the first step was updating the irrigation rate to open up the therapeutic window. The next step is optimizing the pulse sequence. Right now, we have a very efficient workflow. It's only 4 ablations per vein, right? And that makes it a procedure that's easily completed in less than an hour, safely and efficiently. It also has a waveform that enables 0 general anesthesia. It can be done with conscious sedation, which enables us to recover the patient quickly and also enables the same-day discharge opportunity, which we just presented at APHRS as a sub-study in our U.S. IDE trial.
And so we're developing a new pulse sequence that will make it even more efficient. Today, each pulse is 21 seconds. And again, we do 4 per vein. The new pulse sequence is 3.8 seconds. So it's already very efficient. It's going to get even more efficient.
So what do you think that will do to the procedure time?
It will significantly reduce it.
Less than an hour?
It's already less than an hour.
So less than an hour...
Most physicians...
I think your guessing.
Okay. Most physicians are less than 45 minutes. We should see times approaching 30 minutes.
Okay. And what percentage of the market -- and again, this is a U.S. OUS question, do you think has already transitioned to PFA?
In the United States, we estimate about 70% within atrial fibrillation. And again, atrial fibrillation is one segment of the market.
We'll get to the other.
Yes.
So let's stick with that. I like that. And then outside the United States?
It's less than that.
Okay.
Hard to say because the data is a little bit muddier, but it's less than that.
And do you think at some stage, the OUS market catches up to the U.S. market in terms of share?
It might. It will take longer. A lot of that is based on country approvals, reimbursement and cost considerations.
And what do you think J&J share is within that market?
We're not disclosing that.
You're not disclosing that. I would like to ask. Okay, fair enough. But procedures are increasing month-over-month, feeling good about VARIPULSE?
We're feeling good about VARIPULSE, building nice momentum.
Okay. I'm there. So you were specific in talking about this as just being an AF platform right now. How do you think about bringing PFA into the other areas of EP?
Into the other arrhythmia types. Like atrial fib -- like flutter and BT, et cetera. Well, I think it's important to talk about and take a step back on where RF plays and where PF plays today and what may be needed in the future.
Yes.
We have over 20 years of experience as an industry with RF, and it's evolved, right, from 25 watts to 50 watts to 90 watts and high-power short duration workflows with really sophisticated catheters that improve safety and efficacy. We're still in the early innings with PFA.
Now PFA today has great benefits in terms of safety and efficiency. It's extremely fast. It also helped democratize the procedure. Many physicians who were high volume and point-by-point operators with focal catheters, they were able to do the procedure in less than an hour. But many, it took them more than 2 hours. But with PFA, particularly using regional ablation catheters, and we'll talk about form factors in a minute, they were also then able to -- be able to do the procedure in less than an hour. So it democratized the technique, particularly in atrial fibrillation.
Right now, PFA struggles to go deeper than 5 to 7 millimeters. So in certain anatomies, we need to go deeper. Now in certain parts of the heart, if you go deeper with PFA, you can run into the risk of creating a coronary spasm because that's where the coronary arteries are laying. There's also some challenge with the precision of the lesions that are created with PFA. So with VARIPULSE, we move the pulse sequence between the electrodes, so it's extremely precise, but it's a large footprint device. If you need precision, that's where a focal catheter can fit.
So generally, what we're looking for is where we need precision and depth that's still mostly RF and where we want speed and efficiency and safety that's more PF. At some point, PF probably will get deeper and be able to achieve that, but it has to be in a way that's safe for the coronary arteries and not create coronary spasm.
I think one of the things when you and I were speaking that really struck me is that we're all sort of focused on the transition to PFA in the AF market and that there's an opportunity that's just beginning, and we're hearing other companies talk about it, too, an SVT and VT, maybe atrial flutter?
Maybe. The unmet need was in atrial fibrillation because the downside risk of an esophageal fistula was massive, right? The 2 negatives of RF is that there can be esophageal fistula and there can be phrenic nerve injury, very rare and very low incidence, but devastating when it happens.
When you're treating flutter or right-sided procedures, ATACs, et cetera, these are very discrete burns. It's not a very long procedure generally. The hard part of that procedure is generally trying to assess where to ablate. That's where the strength of the mapping system comes in to help physicians understand this is the spot that you need to ablate in the soft tissue.
VT, there may be a play because a lot of times with ventricular tachycardias, there could be large areas that they need to ablate and there could be an efficiency play for ventricular tachycardias. But it needs to be deeper.
And one of the products which I spoke about on the earnings call or a couple of different calls is the dual energy SMARTTOUCH SF Catheter. Just got CE Mark approval. I don't know the timing here in the United States, but could you just talk a little bit about what makes that special?
Yes. And maybe I'll step back. I talked about form factors, but I didn't explain that. Historically, the form factor that physicians have been using is a small focal catheter, a 3.5-millimeter tip catheter like STSF. There was balloon usage, cryoballoon usage, and that was more of a single-shot approach.
We estimate that the market will stabilize with 4 types of form factors: regional ablation, which is VARIPULSE; small focal, which is like dual-energy STSF; large focal, which is like OMNYPULSE, which is a 12-millimeter basket and then a single shot, and we are also developing a single shot that we can talk about in the coming years.
Dual-energy STSF is the same form factor that they've been trained on. It's the market-leading RF catheter from the last decade. And it has the muscle memory and the workflow that they're accustomed to and that they really appreciate. and it obviously is seamlessly integrated into CARTO.
Now the dual energy toggles seamlessly between RF and PF. And depending on the complexity of the patient, there are times where a physician wants PF, particularly when they're near the phrenic nerve or the esophagus and there are times where they want RF, particularly when the tissue is thicker or they're near discrete conduction zones that need to be preserved because if they take out the conduction zone by accident, the patient may need a pacemaker.
Okay. And timing in the U.S.?
We are just getting geared up to submit next year for our approval.
Excellent. And then you sort of [indiscernible] use the word teased about OMNYPULSE. Can you describe that product? Because as we talk with physicians, that comes up a lot.
So different physicians like different workflows. The traditional workflow was point by point, which was dual-energy STSF. And I do think it warrants taking a minute and talking about contact force, if you'll just bear with me on that.
Go for it.
When you think about the evolution of electrophysiology and how things really took a big step forward, 20 years ago, the success rates were 50-50, right? Now they're 70, 80. Maybe we can get them beyond that as we implement artificial intelligence and new energy modalities and more sophisticated ways of doing ablations. But that big step change from 50 to 80 was contact force. Prior to contact force, physicians didn't know if they were truly touching cardiac tissue.
Many times, they would be ablating just in the blood because they didn't know if they were touching the tissue or how many grams of force they were actually pushing. And many times, they could actually inadvertently burn through the heart because they didn't have that contact force information intraoperatively. We brought that to the market with ST, which was SMARTTOUCH. That's what SMARTTOUCH means contact force. And then SMARTTOUCH SF gave a very nice cooling technique to that catheter.
So the contact force that the physicians are used to, particularly in a point-by-point workflow comes with dual-energy STSF. We've taken that same technology, and we've applied it to OMNYPULSE. OMNYPULSE is an all-in-one catheter. So STSF is 3.5 millimeters in diameter. OMNYPULSE is a large format. It's 12 millimeters in diameter. Many physicians prefer the point-by-point workflow, and we're able to give them a point-by-point workflow that's extremely efficient with that larger format. Now OMNYPULSE is also a high-density mapping catheter. So they're able to map with high density that helps them understand where to ablate beyond the veins for non-PVI triggers.
And the timing of OMNYPULSE in the U.S. and outside the U.S.?
We're just enrolling our IDE at the moment. We've completed our European IDE, and we're preparing for CE Mark.
And so when you go to market what kind of portfolio will you be having in terms of your catheter base?
At the end state or in the next year?
You can answer the other way or both.
Well, we anticipate that we will have a full portfolio. We also -- right now, we have the most comprehensive portfolio within electrophysiology from mapping catheters to ultrasound catheters, everything being integrated to the most sophisticated diagnostic software to help physicians know where plate.
But we have been on a cadence of launching 2 major software releases every year, and we will continue that cadence over the long-term. So 2 major releases a year. We also are working on our next-generation CARTO, which will implement more artificial intelligence and really see us through to the next decade.
On the therapeutic side, we are going to get into a cadence where we're launching a new therapeutic catheter every year, and we're going to be marching to that drumbeat. And so we will have VARIPULSE and VARIPULSE will evolve with the new pulse sequences, the fast sequence at 3.8 seconds. We will also have dual-energy STSF, then we will move to OMNYPULSE, which has the large format, and then we'll be moving to an easy-to-use single-shot basket.
And how do you think about physician reception to all of these different choices. I mean, today, is the physician just not able to do all of the ablations that they want to do because they don't have these choices? Or how do you -- I'm trying to understand because there's a moment where people want a portfolio or they want a toolbox, whatever the word is that we use. And then there's a moment where doctors are like, I don't have time to learn all of that. I like this one.
Yes. So we see that today. There are physicians that prefer that point-by-point workflow, and they don't like the regional ablation. So the initial PFA catheters that have come on the market are regional ablation. Some very much like the small focal, the 3.5-millimeter because that gives them complete versatility. When it's 3.5 millimeters, they can get into every aspect of the chambers of the heart. When it's a large format, like a 9-millimeter or a 12-millimeter, it's not able to get in every aspect of the heart. So it really is a case-by-case basis.
What are they trying to achieve with that patient and what is that patient's characteristics? If it's an early paroxysmal patient, which means they may only do the veins, they may be able to line up cases that are veins only that day. And then a single-shot approach may be suitable. But sometimes, the arrhythmia is beyond the vein. Even though they thought it may just be the vein, they'll see that there's other arrhythmia is emerging beyond.
And so having that flexibility is quite useful. That's where a VARIPULSE could fit in the future. But if it's a long-standing persistent patient with lots of complexity, they may want to have that versatility of a dual-energy STSF because they may need to go to the right side of the heart and do a CTI line, which is where they want to use RF.
One of the things that comes up when I speak with physicians is this concept of I've been using J&J's CARTO for a long time. I trust J&J. I'm going to try their catheters. I'm going to assume you find that in the field also.
Yes. We've got a very large network of CARTO that we talked about before, but we also have an extensive, highly trained group of clinical mappers. We have the largest group. We spend a lot of time and effort investing in them to make sure that they're the category experts. And they are, by far, the trusted advisers with the electrophysiologists. They are working hand-in-hand with the electrophysiologists during those procedures, helping to guide them on what's happening from an arrhythmia perspective. And that relationship is really important with our path forward.
We spend a lot of time talking about the changing EP landscape in the United States and somewhat Europe. There's a big old world out there. How do you think about bringing the new technology into other regions?
So we have an extensive network of J&J employees in Europe and in Asia, and we bring those technologies as rapidly as we can into those markets. We're currently launching VARIPULSE in China, in Japan, across Europe, in Australia. We're launching dual-energy STSF in Europe and in Hong Kong. And so given the strength of our team and the depth of our team, we rapidly launch in these markets.
Excellent. I do want to switch. We're a different [indiscernible] also hat in neurovascular. And another area that doesn't get a lot of attention inside of the J&J family. What can you tell us about the products that you're developing or you're most excited about in that franchise?
Well, look, there's a lot of unmet need in neurovascular, still a lot of unmet need in stroke, but still a shift from traditional surgical to percutaneous approaches. We're in process of launching a new family of aspiration catheters called CEREGLIDE. And we've been just doing our early experiences in the United States and the feedback has been excellent. So this is a complete portfolio that's being launched at this time, and that's for acute ischemic stroke.
We're also looking at indication expansions for our TRUFILL liquid embolic. Now TRUFILL has on the market for about 25 years. And there is a new use case for that product. Many patients, particularly the elderly that are on anticoagulation can fall, they bump their head, and they get a chronic subdermal hematoma. So that's where they've got a bleed, but it becomes chronic. And the way to treat that historically has been through surgery. We can now treat that percutaneously by embolizing the middle meningeal artery using the TRUFILL glue.
Now that's going to be a very large patient population, but it's still early, and it's a nascent way of treating this, but it's going to be an exciting space.
And how much energy and effort goes into J&J's development and participation in the stroke market?
We have a pretty extensive R&D team that's working on multiple different platforms right now beyond CEREGLIDE, looking at hemorrhagic stroke, ischemic stroke and looking at innovations on aspiration, aspiration mechanisms, but also on stent retrievers and novel ways of enlarging the tip of the catheter in order to ingest even more clot.
And you in sharing your bio shared that you were part of the Abiomed and the Shockwave acquisitions and integrations?
There was.
You were. Can you share some of the learnings from bringing those high-profile products into the portfolio?
Yes. These are high-growth businesses with tremendous amount of talent. They're first-in-class new to the world companies, and we want to incubate them within J&J, give them the resources they need to thrive. What I'm really proud of is the integration process went extremely well. The turnover was extremely low, and the key talent all stayed, and the inventors and the innovators stayed with us, and they're continuing to develop the next-generation products within that pipeline.
Sometimes when you acquire a company, if all the knowledge and know-how and capability disappears, you're just look for the product. You want to make sure you keep the secret sauce, which is the people, the people that really understand how the technology works. At Abiomed, that's Thorsten Siess. He's the inventor of the Impella, right? This was his PhD thesis, and he continues to work diligently at developing the next-generation Impella devices. At Shockwave, the original R&D team, they are still with us developing the next-generation devices.
Excellent. What do you think investors are not understanding about the franchises that you are aware of or the franchises that you have knowledge of, let me word it that way.
I think there's sometimes confusion about our position in the market. So...
[indiscernible] with that...
Clear.
Please clarify.
We are the clear market leader in electrophysiology today, and we will be in the future, given the strength of our current portfolio and the cadence of launches that we have coming. We are in a super cycle of innovation. We are committed, as I stated earlier, to 2 major mapping releases per year. We're developing a new CARTO that is going to be the next-generation mapping system that will be the new benchmark. And then we have a cadence of therapeutic catheters and PFA that excites our physicians.
And when we were talking a year from now, given all of this product development, what do you think we're going to be talking about?
We'll talk about the next phase of innovation that we haven't discussed yet. We are developing new...
Could you share with us what that is.
I'll say it this way. We are developing new material science that is unique to us that changes the physics by which we do ablation.
Say those words again. Changes the physics of the way we do ablation.
Correct. I can't talk about it more yet, but I will. I promise you.
Okay. You promise.
But we are developing new material science, which we've developed in-house. It took us many years to figure out the physics, but it completely changes how we will do ablations in the future.
Michael, thank you so much for joining us today. This has been very enjoyable and enlightening.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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Johnson & Johnson — Citi Annual Global Healthcare Conference 2025
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kernaussage: Johnson & Johnson setzt in der MedTech‑Strategie stark auf Elektrophysiologie (EP). Das CARTO‑Mapping‑System ist global marktführend (>5.000 Installationen) und bildet die Basis für die schnelle Einführung von pulsed‑field ablation (PFA) mit dem VARIPULSE‑System.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Portfolio: Vier Formfaktoren im Zielzustand: regional (VARIPULSE), small focal (dual‑energy SMARTTOUCH SF), large focal (OMNYPULSE) und künftig Single‑Shot.
- Produkt‑Rhythmus: Therapeutische Katheter jährlich; zwei Major‑Mapping‑Software‑Releases pro Jahr; Next‑Gen CARTO mit KI in Entwicklung.
- Marktzugang: Starke US‑Adoption von PFA (~70% im AF laut Management), OUS langsamer; gezielte Ländereinführungen (China, Japan, Europa, Australia) laufen.
🧾 Neue Informationen
- Uptake: >30.000 VARIPULSE‑Fälle seit Pause; VARIPURE‑Registry: 791 Patienten, 99,7% akuter Erfolg, 0 Schlaganfälle — Management betont rasches Momentum.
- Effizienz: Optimierte Impulsfolge geplant: 21 s → 3,8 s pro Pulse; typische Prozedurzeiten bereits <45 min, potenziell ~30 min.
- Regulatorisch: SMARTTOUCH SF hat CE‑Mark; US‑Zulassungsvorbereitung/Einreichung im nächsten Jahr; OMNYPULSE: europäische IDE abgeschlossen, US‑IDE läuft.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Marktanteile: Nachfrage nach J&J‑Anteil im PFA‑Markt blieb unbeantwortet; Management nennt keine konkreten Share‑Zahlen.
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Johnson & Johnson — 7th Annual Wolfe Research Healthcare Conference
1. Question Answer
Good morning, everybody. My name is Alex Hammond, and I'm the biopharma analyst here at Wolfe.
So it's my pleasure today to have J&J. So we have Candice Long, Worldwide VP, Immunology, Global Commercial Strategy; and we have David Lee, Global Immunology Therapeutic Area Head. Thank you guys so much for joining us.
Thanks for inviting us.
So obviously, a lot going on at J&J. Maybe starting off with icotrokinra. So obviously, we know that there is a submission to regulators. How should we kind of think about next steps? When could we see approval? And have you guys started preparing for launch as of today?
Sure. Well, I maybe will start. Let's start with icotrokinra. It's the first targeted oral peptide to the -- highly selective to the IL-23 receptor. We see this as a transformative next-generation therapy for the field. And we see that because it is the only asset that provides the unprecedented combination of complete skin clearance, favorable safety, of course, with the simplicity of a single pill once a day.
Now our development program has been robust to inform questions, and we see this profile as now becoming first-line systemic therapy for psoriasis. We say that because of the data that we have provided in our large Phase III studies with adults with moderate-to-severe psoriasis, with adolescents with moderate-to-severe psoriasis, as well as in our special area study, those hard-to-treat areas like groin, scalp and others where we see that profile.
We continue that development to inform with head-to-head studies against a leading other oral psoriasis option, of course, showing superiority there. And we are continuing our robust program by going head-to-head with a standard of care biologic therapy with STELARA, seeing that readout. And what we see with this asset is increasing the impact of our portfolio, informing people who -- and we know that the minority of patients actually go on advanced therapy. Reluctance often being needed to go on a biologic. And here, we will show that you don't need to compromise to go on a biologic, and therefore, we think that will expand.
Now you did ask about timing of approvals and things like that. Submission went in, in July in the U.S., and we're very confident in a 2026 launch. We won't speculate on the exact date because interactions with health authorities aren't highly -- aren't completely predictable.
Maybe I'll do one last comment on the momentum of that icotrokinra program. We're now beyond psoriasis and we've launched our pivotal studies for Crohn's and colitis. And we see that momentum continuing informing that unprecedented combination of efficacy, safety and then, of course, the convenience of a once-a-day pill.
Perfect. That's a great introduction for an asset that we're also very excited about. And I guess this goes to you, Candice. As you think about Street numbers for icotrokinra, do you think that they're under-appreciating how big this opportunity could be, particularly, I believe, is it 5 million Americans with either psoriasis or IBD that are not on a biologic?
So yes, we think it's -- there's a disconnect. It's actually 5 million moderate-to-severe in psoriasis, IBD, PSA that are eligible not using these therapies.
So why do we think there's a disconnect? In the first quarter of this year, we actually took an opportunity to reference the consensus. And we're seeing it as being significantly higher for the reasons that David just chose to call out: the unprecedented combination, what that has an opportunity to do for a significant number of individuals that are eligible. And quite honestly, we see that they're making trade-offs. They're not stepping into therapies, they're not getting that outcome. And as a result, we have indicated that we think the consensus is too low.
That makes sense. I believe we're quite a bit higher than consensus. So how do you think about -- David, you mentioned the head-to-heads as well. So you guys are running the head-to-head versus STELARA. So how can you kind of frame your confidence there in that trial?
So at several levels. We, of course, all the deep profiling we've gotten on the studies we've seen so far and the efficacy levels that we've already seen in the pivotal studies that are part of our submission package. That gives us a lot of confidence that we will be showing those superior attributes to STELARA and beating in a head-to-head biologic standard of care.
And I think beyond just simply beating, we're a global company, we want and we will drive global access. And so these head-to-head studies are also part of our core strategy to bring this asset worldwide, not just to get approvals, but to get access and adoption having informed those key questions.
And I guess from a global launch perspective, so this is a drug that has a higher API necessary, right? It's a small molecule. So how should we kind of think about the manufacturing capability that you guys have in-house?
I'll take that one too. I'm the R&D guy. That's a really key question. We are leading in oral peptide use in autoimmunity. Look, I would underscore that we're an innovator company. We invest in innovation, the targets we choose, how we develop them, and here's what's key, how we formulate and manufacture them. And there is just as much innovation that happens in the formulation and manufacture as there is in the discovery and development process.
We've been investing heavily in the manufacturing approach for icotrokinra since we entered the clinic. So now we have that years of experience. We also see this as a big market. So we know that the demands on our manufacturing are going to be substantial. I will say with a lot of confidence that we are fully capable to meet the needs with our global manufacturing footprint, both for psoriasis and for anticipated subsequent large launches in IBD as well.
Do you see this as a funnel across the board for higher utilization of biologics, particularly of TREMFYA as well?
So actually, as an organization you probably heard us say before, any time there's a new therapy that gets approved, we actually think there's a really positive set of circumstances. First and foremost, there's a different conversation that tends to happen with clinicians and with patients when new options are available. That conversation can really highlight things that have been holding back the ability to consider different types of therapies. Perhaps they just haven't had such a transparent conversation in particular.
So the ability to actually talk about this, what we anticipate actually happening with icotrokinra is this elevation of the trade-off that people have been thinking about. And very specifically, that trade-off often comes between "I can get efficacy if I want, and I'm willing to use an injectable biologic." We have a lot of experience with those. But they do come with safety-related concerns. That route of administration causes some hesitancy. Or I can choose to use something that's not a biologic, lower efficacy. And what we're really seeing is those aren't connecting with a lot of individuals in terms of what they are seeking.
So absolutely, we think that the introduction of icotrokinra, it represents a significant step forward, both in terms of the treatment options there, the dialogues that will be happening. But probably more importantly, we think that there's going to be an expansion as a result of this. Now you asked specifically on biologics. Our expectation is there's going to be a market expansion in terms of the utilization of this because you're not making those trade-offs that have historically been there.
That makes complete sense. And I guess, you guys ran, was it, the ENCOMPASS study. Can you kind of frame what you saw and how that can kind of impact patient utilization?
Sure. I'll comment on that. So one of our, I'd say, differentiating strategic approaches of J&J is we have these disease area strongholds where we invest deeply to understand patient insights, unmet medical need. This is an example of that. So what we did was we -- it's actually a global study in our dermatology group, where when we released the data in the U.S. cohort, so far, we pulled 400 adults with moderate-to-severe plaque psoriasis, 200 adolescents and 200 providers. We both confirmed many of the things we knew, deepened our insights and we saw some new things.
On the confirm side, psoriasis has a huge impact on quality of life. We knew that. We also now, with more efficacious therapies, seeing the really dramatic impacts -- meaningful impacts of restoring life to living. It's even more impactful for adolescents. And you can imagine why at that time of life with that going on in your skin, how that is impacting that quality of life. I will underscore that our development program included adolescents in our registrational studies that are part of the submission. It's based on those insights. So bad disease.
How do they -- what is important to patients and providers? Efficacy, first and foremost. But in this space, very close second is safety. Have to have a safety -- a superlative safety profile.
And then, how do they want to take a medicine? The substantial majority are looking for an oral. Say that again, substantial majority are looking for oral. Some are looking for parenteral, some are looking for topical. But the substantial majority are looking for that simplicity of a once-a-day pill.
We even did a double-click on that and asked, if you're on a biologic, how many of you would switch to an oral that has the attributes that we described? We didn't name the compound, just attributes of the compound. 90% of people on an injectable therapy said they would want to switch to an oral that doesn't compromise efficacy, safety and it has that simplicity.
So that actually was a bit of a surprise for us. We thought it'd be around 70%. That's what we've been communicating. It's actually over 90%. And so it's that -- those kind of insights that are giving us confidence about what this will bring to the market. And we look forward to continuing. We've got the rest of the global population data coming in and we'll continue to get insights.
And we're really excited to kind of see what else you can share with us. And I guess one last follow-up as well, Candice. How should we kind of think about the present on sampling drug? So is that something that can kind of help kind of pave the way for what we anticipate to be a very successful launch?
We are really excited about the 2026 potential for the introduction of icotrokinra. And while I won't get into specifics of what that commercial specific strategies will do -- will include, what I will say is if you look at Johnson & Johnson overall, look at the immunology business, it is broad, it is comprehensive. The capabilities will all be brought forward.
And we're really building on this ongoing legacy that we've had in immunology. That connection into this community allows us to understand what's meaningful and important. We build those into the launch strategies. And at the end, we're really excited to actually make this a reality for individuals when we think about those unmet needs, as David just were highlighting, that exists, first in psoriasis, and then as we have those additional readouts, hopefully going beyond that space as well.
So I guess, looking to IBD, should we kind of use the proxy of what the drug does from a psoriasis launch perspective and kind of use those same learnings and apply it to IBD as well?
So I think there's a couple of things. So first, when we look at IBD overall, what we do recognize is that there is a continued need. Less than about 40% of people are using the current therapies that are out there and available. And icotrokinra, the ANTHEM data, and maybe I'll turn it over briefly to David, were really exciting in ulcerative colitis, to give us initial perspectives of what to expect.
But at the highest level, you heard David talked about the combination, unprecedented combination, of these efficacies, the favorable safety and that route of administration, that is being shown again in the ulcerative colitis space, which has informed the approach that we've taken in terms of moving forward in both ulcerative colitis as well as Crohn's disease. So David, I'll turn it over to you.
Yes. So based on those ANTHEM results, and we're deeply embedded in the ecosystem with patients, providers, opinion leaders, who are all highly enthusiastic about that profile and have given us a lot of input into the design of our pivotal studies, and those are launched. So we've launched Phase III in both Crohn's and UC. They are recruiting at pace. We're very pleased already with the way -- like we saw with the psoriasis studies. In fact, many of those finishing less than half of the time we've ever seen.
I would also underscore, because of our confidence, we're also running an adolescent substudy in the ulcerative colitis study so we can bring at launch those insights not just to adults, but to adolescents.
And Alex, I think you had asked a question around the ability to transfer information over. So when we look at STELARA, when we were hitting the peak sales there, about 75% of the STELARA sales were actually coming from IBD. And we actually think that is, while not a precise number to use, we think that that's highly likely to be the case for TREMFYA and as we look into other spaces, that there's going to be robust utilization in IBD overall.
So certainly, we'll get some insights and perspective from what happens as we now have the TREMFYA asset out there for both ulcerative colitis as well as Crohn's disease. We'll see how the data plays out overall. But again, a really amazing portfolio that we have that allows us to address these needs in a more all-encompassing way than we've been able to do.
I'm very excited to get to TREMFYA, but I have one quick question. One pushback that we've gotten on icotrokinra has been the food restriction. How do you guys kind of think about that based on your discussions with clinicians?
Yes, great question. So like many oral peptide molecules, there is a food effect with icotrokinra. We deeply assessed this in our clin-pharm studies in our comprehensive package. And we're very pleased that our food requirement means taking a pill on an empty stomach and waiting 30 minutes before high caloric food.
What does that mean practically? For a patient, you take your pill when you get up in the morning with a sip of water. You go make your cup of coffee. You drink your cup of coffee or tea. You make your bed, brush your teeth. By the time you're done with that, it's time for breakfast. So it's present, but it's a very modest 30-minute effect.
The other reason we have a lot of confidence in that is we looked at what was the utilization in our large pivotal studies. And for drugs that are hard to take or not as well tolerated, what you typically see is, over a 52-week study, you start seeing loss of efficacy and dropout of subjects. We saw none of either. So we saw very durable responses. We didn't see patients dropping out. And when we talk to patients and providers -- and the trialists that were doing this, nobody had any inconvenience with the approach.
Yes, we hadn't heard any kind of pushback from the clinician side either, but you know how investors are, so I have to ask.
So I guess with that, on TREMFYA, how should we kind of think about continued growth in psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis? Obviously, we're now focusing on IBD, but would love to initially kind of think about those 2 indications.
Yes. So it's been an exciting year. We're seeing growth across TREMFYA overall in the PsO, PsA indications. What is underpinning that growth is a couple of things. So one, in the psoriasis space, the durability of skin clearance, that we've seen the continuity of that safety profile that we've seen before. Nothing new coming up, just really reinforcing that ability.
And in the PsA, some new data did come out this year, meaningful. Oftentimes, one of the key things that is assessed when looking at PsA is inhibition of structural damage. So earlier this year, we showed the APEX results where actually TREMFYA is the only IL-23 that is able to provide the inhibition of that structural damage. And as we've spoken previously, what's really important about that is once that structural damage happens, you can't get it back. So you want the ability to inhibit that from the beginning.
Now overall, TREMFYA is different than other IL-23s. It's blocking that IL-23 receptor, it's binding to the CD64. We're seeing continuity of those robust results. And we are seeing growth across the board in PsO as well as PsA.
Perfect. And then IBD. Obviously, it's very exciting. I believe, are you getting -- is it over 50% of the new patient starts in the IL-23 class?
Over 50% of the new starts for ulcerative colitis, yes, which is just about a year out from when we initially introduced the product and we didn't have the subcutaneous option for induction available yet.
How do you kind of see that subcu induction kind of shaking out from a new patient -- I mean that's really exciting.
It is. What makes it meaningful is what this means for clinicians, what this means for patients. So subcutaneous, we think, is going to be a very significant component of what TREMFYA is able to offer.
When we look at ulcerative colitis, you highlighted the 50% new to brands. When we look at Crohn's disease when we actually introduced that indication with both options for induction subcutaneous as well as injection, we saw even faster adoption than what we had seen in ulcerative colitis. And it's actually when you look launch aligned, the Crohn's disease launch is surpassing many other recent introductions into this space.
The reason it's meaningful has to do with the simplicity, not only in terms of how it's administered, but what this means for offices, the speed at which you can do that. You don't have to try to schedule the infusion time. Oftentimes that's a couple of weeks out. And that is something that a lot of clinicians are experienced doing. And that subcutaneous option creates that alternative that they haven't had before to get that medication to a patient earlier than what they would have been able to do before.
So we absolutely believe it will continue to be a really important component because of that simplicity that it's offering for all those that are involved.
Yes. No, that makes complete sense. Very exciting. And I guess too, you guys have another head-to-head, you guys like those, versus SKYRIZI. So can you kind of like walk us through how we should think about that clinical trial design and also your confidence in that trial?
So we're not going to release results on -- or details on that design. We've announced we're doing it, but we're not releasing details yet.
Speaking to the confidence though, look to the head-to-head study that we've already done with STELARA and the other attributes that we've already demonstrated -- superiority attributes that we've already demonstrated with TREMFYA. Deepest level of tissue clearance and endoscopic responses seen to date, demonstrating that unequivocally against STELARA standard of care.
Now one of the one-liners I like to use internally is tissue is the issue. And so when we talk about remission, and we are also -- remission is our mission, and raising the bar on remission. What we now know, and we've been instrumental in leading these new endpoints, is that clinical remission is a pretty blunt instrument on assessing degrees of remission. You can still have ongoing inflammation that the clinical instruments -- clinical assessments can miss. That's where the visualization with endoscopy, that's where the biopsy or what we call the histo-endoscopic response is so important. And that's where TREMFYA has shown its superiority.
And it's insights like those that have guided our design of that study. And it's insights -- and those results are what give us the confidence in what that outcome of that study is going to be.
And Candice, how important will that be from a commercial perspective, if you are? Because I believe it's superiority, right? The tests are able to show superiority. What does that mean from a commercial perspective?
It's obviously meaningful. We're looking at a competitive set of choices. And what David was highlighting, as an organization for immunology, we've been really focused on the restoration of health for people living with immune diseases. Again, translating it to something quite simplistic, remission is the mission. What we want to do is continue to raise that bar for ourselves, which is actually improving the outcomes that we can expect for individuals. So the more that we're able to deliver against these expectations of doing head-to-heads, it provides meaningful clinical insights that help inform choices for patients.
And then I guess on your path to remission, how should we kind of think about the, is it JNJ-4804, I think we're waiting for results in PsA. When should we see those results? And how important will those be to inform kind of next steps without agent?
So JNJ-4804, I'll give a little bit of background and then respond on the PsA. So actually, going back to 2019, at the Enterprise Business Review, we declared one of our core future strategies was to lead in advanced combination therapies. And the reason we were investing there is because of the monotherapy efficacy ceiling that we're seeing again and again now in these complex diseases. The way to break through that monotherapy efficacy ceiling is to go for combination treatments. These are complex diseases that are going to require more than 1 mechanistic interruption.
Now we -- JNJ-4804 is our lead asset in that, now having just completed large Phase IIb studies in Crohn's and colitis and a Phase II study in psoriatic arthritis. The reason we chose IL-12 and 23 is not because we have them in our portfolio. It's because we deeply profiled the tissues from these diseases and we were looking for molecular evidence of what remains active if you're an inadequate responder to, say, a TNF. And we're looking for synergy if you combine mechanisms.
And the mechanisms that demonstrate that, not all did, were TNF and IL-23. So we co-formulated golimumab and guselkumab, and I will say that was not an obvious event that could happen either. Both of these now are in the same formulation, in the same auto-injector and we're bringing forward a posology that will be a single injection as what the patient experienced, fixed-dose combination.
Now advanced therapy combinations had been tried [ in autoimmune ] before, and you all remember, they didn't go well. There were issues with not as much efficacy, but also issues with infectious safety. So we've already seen our VEGA results where we've combined that no increased safety signals above what we would expect with the TNF alone. So we're very pleased with the efficacy results that we've seen so far, but also on this really important -- the safety that this asset is demonstrating.
So where we are now is we finished the Phase II study in psoriatic arthritis. That's at a journal now. We should be seeing the publication, we anticipate, by the end of the year. And we communicated that, about midyear, that we would be getting internal results on the DUET studies. These are these large Phase IIbs in Crohn's and colitis, and we have those. And like any large Phase IIb data set, we're moving along at pace understanding the totality of the data. And they will be talking a lot about that, I think, in 2026.
I will underscore, we committed to the refractory population with this asset. So inclusion criteria for our large Phase IIb studies was bio/IR only. You had to have failed a biologic to get in. No naive population here. And so we're enthusiastic about informing dose, safety and patient population and how those will deeply inform our next steps in development.
And maybe if I can just build, this is one of the first times we're going to see clinical studies in that population. Most of the time the studies are done early despite the need that we know exists in that patient population that has already tried and, unfortunately, that therapy has failed to achieve those outcomes.
And when in ulcerative colitis, in Crohn's disease, that cycling of therapies, often it ends in surgical interventions. And we don't hear very much discussed about what that actually means, from a quality of life perspective, it's incredibly meaningful, in terms of not only the surgical procedure itself, but what that means in terms of how you carry out your life from that point forward. There's a lot of job, life choices that are made already having IBD, but it is exacerbated when and if that surgical intervention is necessary.
Does that mean that there's a chance that you could also kind of expand this beyond just refractory in the Phase III? Or do you think more than likely based on what you find, you'll kind of stay in that patient population, just have the armamentarium, being able to touch every different type of patient population globally?
We're thinking more of the latter. Again, we're still formulating our pivotal study approach. But our entire strategy thus far and what we've informed thus far is that refractory population, where that huge unmet need exists and options are pretty limited.
Understood. Moving forward on IMAAVY, how should we kind of think about that launch so far? We haven't really heard a lot, but I think it's really exciting. I think -- are you in 10 different indications across the board? Something really spectacular. So I'd love to kind of hear how that's moving forward.
Yes. So IMAAVY, first, maybe I'll talk about some of the things that make it unique and different. So it's the first and only FcRn that actually has this breadth of patients that can benefit AChR-positive, MuSK-positive adults, adolescents. The symptom fluctuations are very problematic in myasthenia gravis.
And when we look at specifically what IMAAVY is doing, we're getting that IgG level down, you don't have off-target effects. And unlike many others, you're seeing sustained disease control. Meaningful, because we want to mitigate those ups and downs to the best of our ability, get them down, stay down. And we saw that in 24 weeks, the longest study that's been done. But you also then have the open label that was added in there. So for adolescents, about 40 additional weeks; for adults, about 60 weeks.
And David, you highlighted before just the importance of that maintenance overall, but we're seeing the sustained disease control maintenance over time. You highlighted this is the first of many indications that we expect, so we are enthusiastic. In fact, we're the only FcRn that's looking at this in 3 different segments: maternal fetal, really meaningful and important, rare, as well as rheumatology.
And some of the rationale in both the maternal fetal, the rheumatology space, there's no approved therapies or there's been no new therapies for upwards of 50 years, so we're not seeing the progress that we've seen in a lot of other areas. It underpins our enthusiasm based on the clinical outcomes thus far that we think this is a $5 billion-plus asset and that this first indication with myasthenia gravis is just the start of what we have the opportunity to do.
In terms of launch, the early signs are very promising. So there was some recent surveys done with neurologists that indicate their desire and interest in utilizing IMAAVY, but specifically, about 1/3 of them wanting to use it first line. And as we move from '25 to '26, permanent J code will be there, the access going above 90%, to really build on that foundation of what we've had in terms of the accounts that are using it, the clinicians that have those experiences.
So very enthusiastic with what's happened and also the potential that we have moving in the future.
I guess another head-to-head trial you guys are also running against Argenx as well. So kind of walk me through what has been shared there and maybe when we could see the data for that.
We've shared that we're going to do it. We haven't shared details or timing, and we're not going to share that today.
Fair. I'm trying to get something, guys. So I guess, moving forward, where do you think like the new indication or new kind of mechanism would be very interesting, whether that be from like M&A or internal in your pipeline that maybe isn't appreciated?
Yes. So I will say maybe as opposed to a new business development perspective, what I will say is what we did do in 2024. So last year, we made a decision to carefully assess, and ultimately we're able to secure multiple assets that would allow us to step into that atopic dermatitis and respiratory space.
Atopic dermatitis and respiratory have a couple of similarities, specifically very large populations, atopic dermatitis specifically, the largest inflammatory disease that's out there. Unfortunately, not therapies that yet are penetrating the market and achieving these rates of remission. So if we look at atopic dermatitis, while we are seeing some advanced therapies, the vast majority of individuals aren't achieving remission. So there's got to be more that we can do in that space.
You look into the respiratory space, asthma, COPD, unfortunately, it's very mirrored. High-need therapies that are not meeting those outcomes. And as an organization, we feel like there's significant potential if you can bring forth assets or a portfolio of assets that help to really address these needs. These are often heterogeneous populations, therefore, there are some distinct mechanisms that are probably going to be needed to really address what's underpinning these outcomes, but also elevate those overall remissions.
So very excited that over the course of '24, we were able to secure these deals, which is providing them opportunity. And David, maybe you can speak a little bit more about some of the assets.
Sure. I'll put some more color on that. Let's start with -- pick up what Candice was mentioning. I'm going to say again, remission is our mission. Standard of care today in atopic dermatitis is an EASI 75% response. That's not remission, that's 75% better. We're achieving that in about 30%, 35% of people off steroids. That's a long ways away from EASI 100 of 100%.
Now these are complex, and I'll focus on AD, similar for asthma and COPD, these are complex heterogeneous diseases. We already know that there are different subsets. You're going to be hearing the term endotype in the future. Different disease mechanisms are driving in these different subsets. A lot of them will share this IL-4/13 that's already seeing efficacy. And we already know, we've been deeply profiling now for years, we already know other mechanisms that are driving. It was those insights that led us to do the acquisitions we did last year.
So on the one hand, IL-31 is a big driver of itch. It's on neurons. It shows efficacy -- some modest efficacy in monotherapy already in atopic dermatitis. And we know that there's a subset and endotype where that is prominent. That's why we acquired Numab or the NM26 asset that's now well along in Phase IIb study. So we're excited to see how that delivers for that endotype.
We also know that there are other endotypes where the inflammation, there's a broader inflammatory component in the skin beyond the T2 or TH2. And that TSLP is a very important driver for those. IL-13 TSLP bispecific is one of the main reasons that we acquired Proteologix last year. And that, of course, is progressing at pace hitting -- getting into the clinic. And we're enthusiastic about what that will bring for that next level of efficacy in that endotype of patients. There were more that we acquired with Proteologix, we're not releasing those yet. I'm just saying there's more coming soon.
Then, of course, on the oral side. So last year, we announced a collaboration with Kaken on an oral STAT6 inhibitor. Now STAT6 is a below-the-membrane signaling pathway that is very important for the IL-4/13 plus, and that plus is important. We're optimistic that by inhibiting STAT6, we'll get an even increased efficacy signal than just with IL-4 and 13. Also, I do think that everybody knows that orals are an important part of our strategy going forward. So we're very enthusiastic about that collaboration with Kaken and how fast that's moving at pace to be among the leaders with that mechanism.
So that's a whirlwind tour of the newer area, how we're entering to lead in atopic dermatitis. And of course, asthma being very adjacent with the same, and COPD with the same mechanisms.
Thank you guys so much. This has been incredibly helpful. And we clearly know what your mission is. So excited to hopefully see it in the commercial landscape. So thank you guys very much.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — 7th Annual Wolfe Research Healthcare Conference
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kernaussage: Icotrokinra ist ein orales, hochselektives IL‑23‑Rezeptor‑Peptid mit überzeugenden Phase‑III‑Daten bei Erwachsenen und Adoleszenten; US‑Zulassungsantrag wurde im Juli eingereicht, J&J peilt eine Markteinführung 2026 an.
- Marktfolge: Management erwartet eine Marktvergrößerung gegenüber Konsensannahmen (≈5 Mio. potenziell geeignete Patienten nicht auf Biologika) und sieht das Präparat als First‑line‑Systemtherapie mit Potenzial zur Verschiebung von Behandlungssequenzen.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Head‑to‑Heads: Laufende und geplante direkte Vergleiche zu STELARA (Biologikum) und SKYRIZI sollen Überlegenheit in relevanten Endpunkten demonstrieren und Zugang/Adoption unterstützen.
- IBD‑Programm: Phase‑III‑Programme in Crohn’s und Colitis sind gestartet und rekrutieren schnell; einschließliche Adoleszenten‑Substudien zur breiteren Indikationsabdeckung.
- Portfolio & Pipeline: JNJ‑4804 (fixed‑dose Kombination golimumab+guselkumab) zeigt positive Phase‑IIb‑Signale in refraktären Populationen; TREMFYA und IMAAVY treiben parallele Umsatzbasis voran.
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- Zulassungstiming: US‑Einreichung im Juli bestätigt; Management nennt 2026 als realistisches Launch‑Jahr, ohne konkretes Datum.
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Johnson & Johnson — UBS Global Healthcare Conference 2025
1. Question Answer
All right. Good morning, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us. I am Danielle Antalffy, the U.S. med tech analyst here at UBS. Very honored to have with us Johnson & Johnson. We have Peter Menziuso, the Company Group Chair for the Vision business.
So Peter, thanks so much for joining.
Danielle, first of all, thank you for the opportunity, and you said my last name correctly.
Yes. I practiced. Okay. Why don't we get started? Actually, I'd love to hear -- so you've been in the Vision business, you said for -- in Vision for 8 years. What do you see as the biggest opportunities in this market? And where do you see the most opportunities for improvement in the J&J business and where you can have the most impact? And then we can launch in the Q&A.
Sure. No. Again, thank you for the opportunity today. So I've really had the great pleasure of leading our Vision business for Johnson & Johnson. And when you ask about what is the opportunity that we see in front of us, it starts with a few things. One, sense of sight is the sense that people fear losing the most more than anything. And you think about the 2 billion people around the world that are in need of vision correction, it just tells you there's fundamental need in the space of eye health. And we're sitting inside categories that really are growing very nicely, mid-single-digit growth, where we, as a Johnson & Johnson organization, have the opportunity to and are delivering above-market performance.
What is it that we see in front of us? As a market-leading contact lens brand of ACUVUE, I'm very pleased. We've been in the space for 40-plus years, globally recognized, sitting in a #1 position. We're continuing to lean in and grow market share. And then in our intraocular lens business that's focused on cataract disease, where we are continuing to drive our leadership in this space in an area where cataract surgery, the #1 surgery performed around the world, it tells you that there's tremendous opportunity.
We today are serving more than 40 million people, but we say in the organization, we're just scratching the surface. And that's where leading with science, leading with technology that's differentiated, truly helping health care professionals meet the needs of their patients. For us as Johnson & Johnson Vision and Johnson & Johnson, we see the category of Vision tremendously important and an area of growth for us as we look moving forward.
And I am one of those 40 million people I'm wearing my ACUVUE OASYS contacts right now.
Excellent.
So Vision grew 6% operationally in Q3. J&J's MedTech business did announce separation of orthopedics. So the focus is going to be Cardiovascular surgery and Vision. How do you think about Vision's long-term growth algorithm post orthopedic separation? And what are the 2 to 3 biggest unlocks to sustain this mid- to high single-digit growth?
We're incredibly proud of being one of the 6 strategic areas for Johnson & Johnson. And again, it gets back to some of the points that I made, the need of being in a category that is a category that is growing with the ability to drive differentiated innovation that's going to grow above market, that is the role of what we will play and are playing for Johnson & Johnson in this space. What's really important as you talk about unlocks, what is it that we're going to do to continue to drive above-market performance that is quite value creating. It's launching disruptive innovation.
So if you think about, as you're saying, you're wearing our solutions, what we have just launched in the space of advanced optics in our contact lens platform with ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day MAX, which is addressing comfort as well as visual disturbances, or what we're doing with TECNIS Odyssey and TECNIS PureSee in our intraocular lenses that is really helping continuous range of vision, enabling people to have the freedom of sight that they're looking for.
What's really important for us is that we bring innovations like that to market, we continue to. We continue to globalize around the world. We are in need of -- we are in service of servicing patients around the world. So global expansion will be a core component of what we do. But then it's also leaning into data as an enabler. How is it that data is going to help us more precisely design studies and innovation? How are we going to more efficiently drive our supply chain? How are we going to lean into more direct commercialization to get the right innovation to the right patient through the right health care professional and build a relationship for a lifetime.
Yes. Okay. And if you look at the portfolio mix, so I think right now, you're about 75% contacts, 25% surgical or thereabouts. Is that the right way to think about the long-term mix of this business? Or what would you say about that?
So a little bit of an adjustment of those data points. We're 70% contact lenses, 30% cataract business. And what I will say is, again, our contact lens business is a very important segment of our business that we're driving leadership, market share growth, above-market performance. But we're really pleased with the work that we're doing inside our Surgical Vision business. And as we talk 30% of proportionality, inside that business, we're driving the mix between premium lenses and monofocal lenses. And we're expanding the benefit of advanced optics through more premium offerings, which is really important to, one, market growth, but also value creation.
Okay. And I guess, especially post the Ortho spin, and maybe it's too early to tell, but how have your capital deployment initiatives changed? Or how will they change? And what is your focus right now if we're thinking R&D, clinical, commercial, manufacturing potential M&A? Are there white spaces that you see in the J&J Vision business?
We, as Vision, have always had a strategic plan that is guiding above-market performance that is driving the right level of contribution back to the corporation. From a profit point of view, we're sitting in a #1 position versus our composite, a very important position. So to your question of capital allocation, one, we've got to lean into our R&D agenda. So the innovation that is guiding our performance to date, making sure we've got an agenda in innovation that is continuously meeting unmet needs, both of patients as well as health care professionals. So driving a capital allocation focus there.
Manufacturing, we need to make sure that we have consistent supply that's efficient and it's helping to expand margins. It's exactly where we're focused today. We will continue to be focused in those areas. And then from a place of commercialization, really leaning into very precise marketing, how is it that we're talking to a consumer, getting them prepared in their preparation for an exam, getting them fit with the right solutions and then staying in an annuity, how we invest commercially is also going to be quite important. We package that in a strategic plan, which we've been presenting to J&J, and we will continue to present to J&J. And I appreciate, again, being one of the 6 important platforms because J&J sees the power of the growth that's in front of us.
Is there any part of the broader Vision market where J&J doesn't participate that you see opportunity to?
So we are in vision correction and enhancement. We do it both surgically and nonsurgically. And why is that? Because we're experts in material and optical science. What I will say is getting back to what I was just looking at is we're studying unmet needs, and we're looking at patient journeys, and we're sorting out where is it that J&J should be playing based on who we are and also where we have permission to lead. And so we will continuously look at needs that could be a value-creating benefit for our portfolio, ones that are differentiated, ones that can get us with above-market growth and drive back value propositions that are with the expectations you would expect of a J&J company.
Okay. Let's dig into Surgical Vision. So one of the big questions amongst investors is just general cataract surgery demand. The market, especially the premium side of things, has taken a little bit of a step back here. What are you seeing as far as end user demand for cataract surgery? And what about people's choice? What's it been over the last 2 months regarding the choice between monofocal and premium? So it's like the volumes, but also the mix.
We're really pleased with our performance inside Surgical Vision. Third quarter, we just posted 13% growth. We are really ensuring that TECNIS Odyssey and TECNIS PureSee. TECNIS Odyssey, we launched in the U.S. It's the fastest-growing PCI-OL in the U.S. market. TECNIS PureSee, which we've launched outside the U.S. is the fastest-growing PCI-OL. We're going to scale those offerings globally early part of next year. What we're making sure is that surgeons are versed on our products. They understand the clinical benefits of our products. We're preparing patients for those surgeries. I will tell you, we're really pleased with our growth in premium surgeries, and we're using that as a continued motivation as we look moving forward.
Has the mix of the overall market as far as you can tell, premium versus monofocal changed? Or -- and more specifically for J&J, it sounds like for you guys, it's actually increasing.
Premium inside Johnson & Johnson absolutely has increased. And we're going to continue to lean in, and that is through the innovation that we're bringing to market. From a category point of view, monofocal lenses are about 80% of procedures that occur today. So of 100 patients, 80 patients are getting monofocal surgery. The other 20 are getting premium. We are sitting in -- we've done through our TECNIS Eyhance monofocal solutions, we have 5 million implants to date.
Okay. Okay. And where do you see that 20% going in 5 years or so? And how important is innovation to that? So you mentioned Odyssey, you mentioned PureSee. It feels like you guys are really leading the charge from an innovation perspective.
So if you look at what is trying to be solved in the space of intraocular lenses, again, cataract surgery is not about an if, it's about a when. Everyone is going to develop cataracts. What we're looking to do is to continue to drive how do we get full range of vision without any visual compromise. And this is where the benefits of the technologies that we've just launched is really paying off. You also want to do it in a way where it's simple for the surgeon.
So right now, biometry has moved in such a way that measurements of the eyes can be done very, very accurately. And then through the technologies like TECNIS Odyssey and TECNIS PureSee, getting into that visual optical zone, it is done. And what I will tell you is what's very exciting is surgeons' confidence in using TECNIS Odyssey and TECNIS PureSee, enabling that outcome for patients and having patient delight -- post-surgical reviews, this is what's going to continue to drive premiumization in the market, and this is where we're focused. We want to get the right solutions that are addressing unmet needs and make it simple for surgeons and repeatable.
I think one of your competitors has talked about getting premiums getting to 40-ish percent of the market. Do you think that's reasonable? Or do you think that's aggressive?
I'm not going to comment on the proportionality of what premium is. But what I will tell you opportunistically, when you think of cataract surgery performed globally today, 10% to 15% of people are getting premium lenses. We're obsessed with getting more of those advanced optics to more and more people.
Yes. Okay. All right. And you did present great data at ASCRS for TECNIS Odyssey. Where are we with Odyssey on the global launch curve? And what are the key barriers to surgeon adoption today?
So specifically, TECNIS Odyssey, fastest-growing PCI-OL in the U.S., very, very proud of that. TECNIS Odyssey is a technology that is driving near, mid to distance vision, with very minimal visual disturbances. So sometimes halos and glares that we talk about. With TECNIS Odyssey, 93% of people are spectacle independent, and that's one of the goals that they're looking for. So very strong performance there. Some barriers to adoption. I wouldn't say barriers to adoption. It's more of just onboarding surgeons with the right clinical information, getting them trial experience that they can feel confident. And that is the feedback we're getting from surgeons, their confidence that they're hitting the optical zone consistently. So really pleased with their adoption. It's giving us confidence now to bring Odyssey into Europe early next year, and we're going to bring PureSee into the U.S., and this is part of our global expansion strategy as well.
Okay. In terms of cataract phacoemulsification devices, how are you thinking of your competitive positioning in the U.S. and OUS, particularly given you've got a competitor launching a device?
So while we believe we have superior intraocular lenses in the marketplace, and that's what surgeons will say about us, we know we can't just be an intraocular lens company only. We have to have enabling technologies and solutions that are going to be part of that suite of offerings in fundamentally cataract surgery.
So VERITAS. VERITAS is our phacoemulsification solution, and it's performing very, very well. We call it our workhorse. We're going to continue to innovate on our VERITAS. We also have advanced laser optics with our CATALYS System. We're going to continue to advance what we're doing in CATALYS. But we recognize we do need to be comprehensive in the surgical procedure, but knowing the surgeon in the end is giving the patient, our belief, the very best intraocular lens at the end.
Yes. Okay. Okay. And I'm curious about site of care here. So we actually recently hosted a CEO of an ASC, and he mentioned cataract surgery is now shifting to the office setting from the ASC. Can you talk about what you're seeing out there with like maybe it's what percent of your cataract capital equipment are placed in ASC versus office? And how that can impact adoption of innovation, but also access for patients?
So crucially important is that we have our technology in all the outlets to where surgery is going to be performed, and we can help surgeons with how they're determining how they want to deliver care. To what you've just described, yes, surgical procedures of cataracts are done in many different settings. We're present in all of those settings. That's our goal. We have to be exactly where the surgery is being delivered, designed for fit in those settings. We're very confident where we are and where we're going to be that we'll be able to continuously grow at a disproportionate level wherever surgical procedures are being done.
Okay. So it doesn't sound like there's much issue with that for you guys.
No.
Okay. One area internationally. So the Surgical Vision business has been navigating China's VBP. What are you doing there to mitigate pricing pressure while also protecting market share? How is that market evolving?
Yes. So as we were talking a bit earlier, we have a strategic plan that's guiding us. And as I talked to our commitment to J&J to be above market with a competitive profitability set, what's happening in China with VBP is built into that. That is -- I'm pleased with how the team has responded. We've expanded our volume presence inside of China while accommodating a contraction in price. But all of that is built into our guidance that are suggesting above-market performance.
Okay. Got you. And I guess just to round out the surgical piece of this, what do you think is the next frontier for growth for the Surgical Vision business? And I already touched on this a little bit. But for example, glaucoma is another piece of this market. You guys don't play there yet. So just curious about other areas that you think you could have an impact.
So again, it's not about if, it's when in the space of cataract surgery. There's tremendous opportunity to drive more premiumization. What I will tell you moving forward is our innovation agenda is absolutely focused on driving advanced optics that is going to really accomplish what patients want and what surgeons want. Our portfolio agenda is very rich organically, and we're going to be looking at inorganic. That is also part of the formula that we're moving forward with.
To your question about will we go outside of where we're focused right now, vision correction and enhancement, both surgically and nonsurgically? The answer is yes. We're always looking. But again, it's going to be technology that has to be differentiated, has to live into our mission of above-market growth and drive value back that you would expect as an investor and a shareholder and as Johnson & Johnson.
Okay. And I want to shift to the contact lens business, but I'm actually curious how you think these businesses can leverage each other, coexist together? And do they make sense together?
Yes. So it's one person that's living with a lifetime of needs in vision. And you think about kind of the pediatric eye, somebody that is potentially navigating myopia or early coming into vision correction needs that the developed eye is absolutely connecting where we can pay off in the space of contact lenses, your eye begins to age a bit, and now presbyopia kicks in and you can move into contact lenses or you can have laser surgery, laser vision correction. And then inevitably, that presbyopic eye is going to become more mature, and that's where cataract comes, and that's where the intraocular lens plays.
For us, it's one patient over a lifetime. Where we've been able to take the contact lens business that we've been in for 40 years and then the add-on that we've done in Surgical Vision when we acquired Abbott Medical Optics 7, 8 years ago, both organizations were experts in material and optical science. What's been really fun is leveraging those expertise across our breadth of those portfolios, while staying in our place of focus. An example I'd give you is, we have advanced light filtering, blue violet filtering that existed initially in our intraocular lenses. We've now pulled that through into our contact lens. So this is where leaning into expertise, but staying in our -- my words, swim lanes of focus, it makes sense because, one, there's a single patient who is leading a lifetime that's of eye health needs.
Okay. Got you. So let's shift to contact lenses. So congratulations on the ACUVUE, OASYS MAX 1-day. It's the first and only daily disposable lens for presbyopia and astigmatism. What is early adoption and repurchase trends that you're seeing for this? And how large is the presbyopic, Toric addressable market?
So maybe let's start on the category for a moment or need. So again, 2 billion people are in need of vision correction. Half of those people are living with presbyopia. So again, presbyopia, the way I describe it very simply is your arm starts to get longer and longer. You're in that restaurant with a little bit of dim light, and you're like, that's presbyopia. 50% of people in need of vision correction are living with presbyopia.
The other thing I would say to you from an anatomy point of view, this is where astigmatism comes in. 50% of people are living with a football-shaped eye, an astigmatic lens, an astigmatic eye. What we've been able to do for the first time in daily disposable [indiscernible], we've now been able to launch through ACUVUE MAX family, a solution is for that astigmatic presbyopia patient. This is incredibly exciting when you start to go into the place of unmet needs of what's possible.
And to the point of how is our adoption going? Very, very well. We're pleased with how doctors, ODs are trialing and fitting and also how patients are responding. When you ask about how is kind of the purchase cycle there, if I think about your question, especially in the astigmatic multifocal side, knowing how innovative it is, we are seeing patients come in. They're buying a maybe 3-month supply. And now in the cycle, we're seeing the annual supply repurchase. So we're really pleased with the initial launch, but we're incredibly excited as we lean in and continue to expand that not only in the U.S. but globally.
And how do you ensure you're converting the trialing into durable market share?
Yes. So again, it gets back to even how we're using data, and I was talking to you about that patient journey and really being at those moments of matter where patients are making decisions and there's intersections with the health care professional. It's getting patients educated on what's possible, getting prepared for their exams, getting them over also even just the initial fitting of the lens and then moving it into a habit, which then becomes a lifetime of a relationship or an annuity.
Yes. Okay. And what is the state of the U.S. channel inventory and supply across Toric and multifocal SKUs today, S-K-Us today versus last year? And what safeguards prevent a repeat of past distributor dynamics that you've had to live through?
The headline I would share with you is we are meeting consistently the supply and demand requirements of our customers and doctors. Now the question really is how are we doing that? It's a process we call integrated business planning. Integrated business planning is taking demand plans at the lowest level, a market level or a country level, aggregating them up and then translating them into manufacturing plans. And it's a process that very rigorously, we are -- we have launched ourselves into, and we're looking at not only near-term forecast, but we're also extending that out into a 24-month window. That's enabling us to really have confidence on meeting the demand that we see growing in a very consistent, repeatable way.
Okay. And curious how competitive dynamics have changed in this market. I think one of your competitors is -- has an activist now and some noise out there about maybe some combination of 2 of your competitors. So maybe talk about how that has evolved.
I'm not going to comment at all on the competitive activity. It's fine. I'm not going to comment on it, but I will comment back on -- again, we're sitting in a market-leading position as ACUVUE. We're growing market share in a growing category. We're bringing disruptive innovations like our MAX family as we'll expand around the world, and we'll continue to use data in a way to really be very precise in how we go to market with what we were just talking about with consistent supply. That has been our priority. That will be our priority. And we're excited to take what right now as we say in the category, 110 million people are living are in contact lenses. That's about 10% of the addressable population. Our focus is to drive continued premium penetration with differentiated outcomes.
Yes. When you think about the pipeline in the contact lens business, what's the next MAX daily innovation that you're most excited about that could be game changing for you?
So now right now, we're taking -- as you talk about Max family, we're going to be globalizing that. That is our near-term focus. We're also going to continue to be looking at what are needs, what are needs that we as Johnson & Johnson and our expertise material and optical science that we can pay off. And here's where I would say more to come, but do have confidence that we've got a very strong internal agenda around our organic innovation. And we'll also always be looking at inorganic ways. But this is where also data and technology come in where how we can -- how is it that we can bring more people into the category, bring them more precisely to the modality and the brands that are appropriate for them and then keep them engaged. And this is where I will tell you, data and technology outside of even just contact lens is also going to be quite important.
So it's interesting because you've talked about data a number of times here. I mean, can you talk about that a little bit more? How are you guys using data?
Yes. So I think we're using data in many ways. One, it's helping us really advance our study design. How is it that we're being very thoughtful on clinically how we're going to market. We're using data in our manufacturing. How is it that data and through really precise ways we're maximizing efficiencies. We're maximizing throughput. We're using data on how we commercialize. How is it that we are getting the right message to the right patient. It's inevitable that we're connecting data. And I will also say we talked earlier about this patient on a lifetime of needs. We're looking data in a very -- in a longitudinal way of also making sure that as a person is progressing with their health needs in eye over time, we're present at that time.
Okay. Do you have data around whether -- how many patients you have treated throughout their lifetime?
We estimate today, we're serving 40 million people around the world in the spaces that we're in. And that is, for us, motivation to do even more, to work even harder.
And do you have data around like how much you retain those patients for their lifetime? So like starting with contact lenses, getting cataract surgery?
We clearly are -- we are an annuity business. And our goal is to bring people in, again, sight being the most important sense that is helping people connect, learn, engage, self-esteem. We want to capture them as early as possible, stay committed to them through what is in front of them for their lifetime.
Okay. Okay. And just thinking about because this business is a little bit different than the surgical business, right? You're kind of selling to patients as much as you're selling to physicians. What is the right way to think about the product cycle, innovation cycle here and just the cadence of product launches? And is it different U.S. versus OUS?
Innovation and a cycle of innovation is crucial. It's -- doctors want to bring new innovation to their patients on a very consistent way. What I will tell you is we are very much committed to have a cycle of innovation that is really meeting the marketplace and not get complacent. So while we're really pleased with what's in the marketplace today, we're going to continue to build on that.
And I will tell you the build is not only just product innovation, it's claims innovation. It's both commercially and clinically. It's go-to-market innovation. How are we thinking of more effective ways to, from a channel dynamic point of view, live into that. It's supply chain innovation. How can we improve our balance sheet. So innovation is a big word, and the cycle of innovation is multifaceted, but it's all part of our agenda as we think about what we do inside J&J and specifically in Vision.
Yes, that's a good point. Curious about what you think, and I know you're one piece of a very large company, but where are there disconnects versus the perception of J&J Vision and what you think J&J Vision is on Wall Street? Are we focused on the wrong things? I think there's a lot of noise around competition. There's a lot of noise around inpatient volumes for cataract surgery, for example.
I love being in the competitive space. It motivates myself and our team to work harder, differentiate ourselves, drive important growth that you're expecting from us. I will tell you, I'm very pleased with Johnson & Johnson's commitment to Vision, and you can tell by the declaration of the 6 areas of focus, Vision being one. That's an acknowledgment of J&J seeing the unmet need, the need being rewarded with technology and having the ability to be in a category that's growing where we can -- we can grow above that category.
For us, it gets back to the place of the world is aging. The need for vision correction is inevitable. We're just scratching the surface on what's possible. We see the market responding to technology with differentiated technology that's rooted in science and value can be created, doctors respond, customers respond, patients respond. And this is an opportunity that I feel very grateful that I get to come to work every day and be in a space of something that we all can relate to and know that, as I said, 40 million people that we're touching today, we're just scratching the surface of what we should be touching.
Yes, yes. Okay. The other question I often get as an analyst that covers J&J is do Pharma and MedTech belong together? And one of the messages that J&J has hammered home is there is a lot of leverage between the 2. How in the Vision business do you guys leverage what's happening in Pharma?
I feel a competitive advantage for us as Johnson & Johnson Vision is that we are backed by the powerhouse of Johnson & Johnson, this large leader in health care, the largest leader in health care. And what I will tell you is it enables us to really push what is possible in the side of Vision, especially in enhancement and vision correction. So I see it as a competitive advantage. And somebody who's grown up in Johnson & Johnson across both our Pharmaceutical sector as well as our MedTech, it clearly enables us to really drive what is possible for patients.
Yes. And another area of focus has been AI, just broadly speaking. Curious, you talked a lot about data. Where are you with adopting, integrating AI, whether it's from a technology development perspective, some of the efficiencies you've talked about in the supply chain, manufacturing, things like that.
So AI is absolutely core to how we are innovating and how we're creating the performance that you're seeing, whether it's AI that's being built into our supply chain, helping us actually with keeping lines running, being predictive of what's in front of us, using AI in the side of R&D, how it's helping us advance our clinical studies from a design point of view, a throughput point of view. We're using AI with our sales force. How using AI to really understand the customer, the doctor that is, we're connecting with and what is the next best action that is going to be useful to drive a differentiated outcome with them. This is where AI is around us. And in fact, for us, something that we're embracing as a competitive advantage. We're very much embracing the benefit AI can bring to the mission that we have.
Okay. You've also talked in the past about the product, a contact lens for, I think, was it allergies or something like that, is that still in development?
So what we're really pleased is we brought to market a contact lens that was drug-eluting in the space of allergy. And what it taught us as an organization was we can go beyond just vision correction in the space of a contact lens. We've been very much focused on what we're doing right now with the expansion of MAX family, moving into advanced material and light management. But that brought us to know that we can go beyond just vision correction.
Well, and I think that's a way to lever -- you talked about leveraging the Pharmaceutical side of things like putting a Pharmaceutical...
Yes.
Okay...
And this is where I say to you more to come. This is the exciting part of what is possible inside the work that we do in Vision.
Yes, absolutely. Well, in the last 1.5 minutes here, I guess I would ask you, what do you think are the biggest risks to that above-market growth profile from your perspective? What are you worried about? What keeps you up at night? We talked about a lot of the positives, but nothing is perfect. So...
What I would say to you is I think like many people in different industries right now, there's a volatile world around us and navigating the complexities, the ambiguity, the changes, what I worry about is just getting distracted. We need to be singularly focused on the opportunity and the privilege we have in the space of Vision. We need to continuously drive the performance that we're having from a leading point of view with contact lenses with ACUVUE and what we're doing with TECNIS, driving our premiumization, and respect what's happening around us in this complex world we're living in, but not losing sight part in the pun, for the person we're serving. I mean this is, again, 40 million people today. We know we're scratching the surface. We've got to be singularly focused on that right now.
Yes. And I guess there are things that are not in your control. So thinking about the macroeconomic environment. I mean, historically, how much has the Vision business been tied to the broader macro?
When you are educating surgeons and ODs on the benefits of innovation and you're picking the right patient for those technologies, we're able to move through those macroeconomic challenges that you're talking about.
Okay. So not as sensitive maybe as one would think.
We -- sight matters, sight matters. And I will also tell you, having a portfolio where we didn't talk about it in this conversation, there are multiple types of requirements that patients come into our category. So making sure that we can serve all comers coming in, whether it's reusable lenses and contact lenses or monofocal lenses in intraocular lenses, yes, we're very much leaning on premiumization, but we're also -- we're serving all comers because sight matters for all people.
Yes. Right. Well, with that, we're out of time.
Thank you for the opportunity today. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
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Johnson & Johnson — UBS Global Healthcare Conference 2025
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Fokus: J&J Vision wird als einer der sechs strategischen Plattformen weiter ausgebaut und soll überdurchschnittlich wachsen – getrieben von Kontaktlinsen (ACUVUE) und Premium‑Intraokularlinsen (TECNIS).
- Wachstum: Vision wuchs operativ ~6% im Q3; Surgical Vision meldete +13% im Quartal. Management sieht noch deutliches Adressable‑Market‑Potenzial (aktuell ~40 Mio. Kunden).
✨ Strategische Highlights
- Produktinnovation: Launches: ACUVUE OASYS 1‑Day MAX (Tagelinse für Presbyopie & Astigmatismus) sowie TECNIS Odyssey und PureSee (erweiterte Optiken) als Treiber der Premium‑Penetration.
- Go‑to‑Market: Globalisierungs‑Push: US‑Skalierung zuerst, Europa/weitere Märkte folgen; Fokus auf Chirurgen‑Onboarding, Trial‑Experience und Patientenaufklärung.
- Operative Hebel: Priorität für F&E, Fertigungseffizienz (Integrated Business Planning) und datengetriebene Kommerzialisierung; AI wird in R&D, Supply‑Chain und Sales eingesetzt.
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Markteinführung: TECNIS Odyssey als schnellstwachsende Premium‑PCI‑OL in den USA; PureSee soll international skaliert werden; Odyssey kommt nach Europa Anfang nächsten Jahres.
- China: Volumenexpansion bei gleichzeitiger Preiskompensation durch VBP (Value‑Based Procurement) ist in Planung und in die Ziele eingearbeitet.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Nachfrage & Mix: Analysten fragten nach Volumentrends bei Katarakt und der Entwicklung von Monofokal vs. Premium; Management berichtet steigende Premiumanteile für J&J.
- Channel & Site‑of‑Care: Frage nach Verlagerung in Office‑Settings/ASCs; J&J betont Präsenz in allen Settings und keine großen Restriktionen für Adoption.
- Supply & Wettbewerb: Nachfrage nach Lagerbeständen, SKU‑Verfügbarkeit und Wettbewerbsaktivität; Management nennt robuste integrierte Planung und vermeidet konkrete Aussagen zu Konkurrenten/Activists.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Implikation: J&J Vision ist klar als Wachstumsplattform positioniert: Produktinnovation (Premium‑IOLs, neue Daily‑Linsen), skalierbare Markteinführung und stärkere Industrialisierung der Lieferkette stützen ein oben‑Markt‑Wachstum, während China‑Preisdruck, makroökonomische Volatilität und Wettbewerbsentwicklung die Hauptrisiken bleiben.
Johnson & Johnson — Guggenheim Securities 2nd Annual Healthcare Innovation Conference
1. Question Answer
Okay. I think we're ready to get going here. So thanks, everyone, for joining us again for our Second Annual Guggenheim Healthcare Innovation Conference on day 2. I'm Vamil Divan, one of the biopharma analysts here at Guggenheim. Very pleased to have us joined for our next session in this room is Johnson & Johnson.
From the company, we have Sarah Brennan, Company Group Chairman, Global Commercial Strategy Organization; and next to her, Mark Wildgust, VP of Medical Affairs and Oncology. So obviously, tons to talk about. We had a great breakfast discussion for an hour. We have half that time here, and we didn't even get that far in the breakfast itself.
So let's just jump right in. I think we'll start on the oncology side. We have a lot of exciting stuff across the portfolio going on right now, but a big approval recently in the bladder cancer side for Johnson & Johnson. Maybe you can just talk about INLEXZO and the sort of early feedback you're getting from the field as this rolls out to the community?
Yes. I'll start. Thanks for the question. Great to be here. We're super incredibly excited about the recent approval of INLEXZO. But just taking a step back, our approval is within the non-muscle invasive bladder cancer. But annually, you see about 600,000 patients that are newly diagnosed, another 400,000 that have their bladder cancer reoccur. There hasn't been innovation really in 4 decades, in 40 years. So the approval of INLEXZO really represents a tremendous opportunity for patients to move away from BCG, which is a very challenging current standard of care as well as preserving patients' bladders because unfortunately, they lose their bladders as part of the treatment.
So we have seen the highest complete response rates of 82% with this CIS population, which is a smaller, the first of several approvals that we expect to come. And at 12 months, disease-free, which is incredible. We also see the sustained delivery that's really making a difference of gemcitabine over a 3-week period. It's the ingenuity of our MedTech capabilities, coupled with our Pharmaceutical ingenuity to really deliver the sustained release of gemcitabine. And the patient can go about their daily activities, which is a huge benefit.
And then it's practice changing, and we're seeing that firsthand in our early experience, fits right into the urologist practice, easy to administer and a procedure that they're very, very familiar with. So early experience, we got approval on September 9. Right out of the gate, we activated our supply chain team, our field force, our reimbursement specialists, and we're seeing incredible receptivity, a lot of momentum, excitement, not only from the urologists, but also from the patients. They truly see this as transformational.
Yes. And I think, Vamil, that first step for that first approval is phenomenal from that SunRISe-1 data, but we have more to come, right? We have 2 fully enrolled Phase III studies, SunRISe-1 and SunRISe-5. SunRISe-3 in that high-risk, newly diagnosed setting, head-to-head against BCG, 2 active arms. That's INLEXZO versus BCG and INLEXZO plus our own PD-1 versus BCG. Really will be the first innovative BCG-free therapy in that newly diagnosed setting.
And then we have our SunRISe-5 study, which is in those patients who are BCG exposed. Both of those are large patient populations. You can kind of get an idea of what that SunRISe-5 patient population data looks like from the cohort 4 of SunRISe-1. You're seeing high disease-free survival.
And then when you think about it, right, between SunRISe-3, SunRISe-5, we really cover kind of that whole spectrum in that high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer setting, but we also have our TAR-210 sustained drug delivery system as well, both MoonRISe-1, which is in that intermediate risk setting, which is another 1/3 of patients in that non-muscle invasive bladder cancer setting and then also MoonRISe-3, which is in that same SUNRISE-5 patient population on BCG exposed using that FGFR targeting perspective too. So we really do cover the majority of patients with bladder cancer in that localized disease setting.
Okay. That's great. And you've obviously talked about this being a $5 billion-plus type opportunity for Johnson & Johnson. We do get some questions on how to think about the initial sort of uptake and also the breakdown across different types of provider settings, whether it's academic, large groups or kind of more community-based urologists. So how are you thinking about sort of the profile across those 3 settings?
And then again, the sort of initial uptake as you're still rolling out, obviously, you got an approval in a small group, you have a lot more data to come. It's a long-term play here. So how should we think about the next year, a couple of years in terms of the initial uptake?
Yes. I mean we are seeing adoption across academic, large urology practices, smaller deeply embedded into the community. As we mentioned, it's really seamless. It's very integrated into the urologist practice. So as they become very familiar with this first indication, it's just going to help accelerate as we continue. And we're just really, really excited about the platform, the TARIS platform in general, but specifically in non-muscle invasive bladder cancer.
And as Mark described, I mean, if you think about it, our development program covers the majority of non-muscle invasive bladder cancer. 75% of overall patients are in that non-muscle invasive bladder cancer and then 50% are high risk. And then we see intermediate about 30%. So end-to-end, we're really looking to bring this transformational innovation with subsequent indications.
Okay. So there's a lot of products I want to talk about.
yes. Yes.
There's a lot we can a lot more to talk about. I want to touch on a few others that maybe I come back other time. Because RYBREVANT made a lot of great progress there. So maybe the latest around getting the subcu formulation approved here in the U.S. But then also, I think kind of any insights you can provide on the uptake you're seeing in the lung cancer space. It sounds like your commentary on recent earnings call has been pretty positive on the adoption even before the subcu formulation arrived?
Yes. Yes. And maybe I'll talk a little bit around -- first of all, we're super excited about RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE. We're seeing great momentum in the market. We are the first and only chemo-free regimen for frontline use. And we're really focused on that durable overall survival as well as preventing resistance. It's very important in lung cancer because patients do develop resistance with the current standard of care. So we are really poised for this to become the new standard of care.
What I can say, we're focused on changing that trajectory of that 5-year survival rate. And what we see today with the IV in market, we are -- have the highest intent to prescribe. So the #1 regimen intent to prescribe RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE. We have the highest unaided awareness and every 1 in 4 patients are on a Johnson & Johnson Innovative Medicine regimen for lung cancer, and we're penetrated across all of our key sites and centers.
Now RYBREVANT subcu will be another catalyst for us and enable us to get even deeper and accelerate the utilization of RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE. But we're now really talking about how the market is moving to combinations. Maybe Mark can build a little bit on that.
Yes, Sarah, it's a good point because you've really seen a shift, right? So the World Lung Cancer meeting happened earlier in September. And if you think about EGFR non-small cell lung cancer, single-agent monotherapy pills, TKIs have really been the standard of care for the last 15 years, and that's very, very much entrenched. But coming out of the World Lung Congress, you now have 2 combination Phase III studies that have proven that you have a superior survival benefit versus monotherapy TKI.
So I think the era of monotherapy TKI is over. I think we're really in that combination realm. And I think the question now is which do you pick? Do you pick 2 old treatments together or do you pick one new regimen? Do you pick a regimen that changes the biology and changes the outcome, that targets EGFR prevents the resistance forming that enhances the immune system? Or do you use chemotherapy with a TKI.
And I think that's where I think the marketplace is kind of readjusting. I think, one, I think you're going to have to see the marketplace say, the physicians are saying, do I really like easy and easy is a set of pills. Easy is also an order sheet, which says, hey, nurse, please give my patient chemotherapy. I think there's a reshifting there of saying, okay, I really need to think about how do I optimize that outcome.
I think that some of the initial feedback from RYBREVANT was, okay, I'm still learning how to deal with some of these infusion-related reactions. Okay, I figured that one out now. Oh, I see some skin-related reactions. Now we've put out the COCOON regimen. So they're getting very comfortable with that.
And I think importantly, with the subcutaneous administration, you now give a patient and the physician the simplest and fastest administration of a combination, which then harnesses that changing the biology and resetting the long-term outcome. So I think that's where we're seeing that shift in the marketplace of the moving away from what they did to what that new regimen is going to look like.
Yes. And we're seeing growth both in the front line as well as we see growth in the second line because we're seeing patients develop these resistance.
Okay. And then obviously, lung cancer is a focus now, but I thought very interesting data at ESMO from RYBREVANT. So maybe you can just touch on the head and neck data, the opportunity there and then colorectal is another you mentioned.
Yes, Vamil, when you think about FGFR, there are definitely other malignancies where EGFR is a really important driver. Head and neck is one of them. Most of those patients particularly HPV-negative patients, right? EGFR is a real driver for those patients. And really, it's a real medical emergency for those patients. And so we're really excited to present the OrigAMI-4 data, the cohort looking at just RYBREVANT alone subcutaneous in those patients with recurrent and metastatic head and neck cancer. And you see more than 45% with objective responses and then more than 80% of those patients are actually having disease reduction.
Put that into context for a second. Current standard of care in that second-line setting with therapy, you're talking about somewhere in about the 10% range. And when you think about durability, it's not very durable as well. Then when you think about the current standard of care for patients with head and neck cancer, it's typically chemotherapy or chemotherapy plus PD-1 response rates are about 36% in terms of that. So to see a 45% response rate with RYBREVANT in that recurrent metastatic setting really sets the scene for us. We're going right after EGFR. We're blocking MET again. We're harnessing the immune system.
And so we just announced at the ESMO meeting our OrigAMI-5 study, which is going to be the new first-line study that we're going to be looking at in head and neck, looking at chemo pembro plus ami, head-to-head against chemo pembro, and we think that, that has the potential to kind of reset expectations there.
But colorectal cancer is the same, right? We have OrigAMI-2, which is our frontline study in left-sided wild-type disease. That study is enrolling incredibly fast across the United States and around the world. And then we also have our recurrent study in the second-line setting as well, the OrigAMI-3. And we know in colorectal cancer that EGFR is an important pathway as well. So it makes sense for us to go right after that.
But I think, Vamil, one of the other things, too, is that when you think about medical oncologists today, in the community setting, they're treating lung cancer, head and neck cancer, colorectal cancer. And so I think that broader kind of array of the portfolio for RYBREVANT is going to fit right into the pocket of those physicians, right, who are treating those EGFR-driven diseases.
Okay. That's great. So I want to shift gears again, still within oncology. But obviously, multiple myeloma is a massive area for Johnson & Johnson have to sort of talk about it. So a couple of areas I want to just get your thoughts on here. One on CARVYKTI, I think we're seeing nice sort of uptake. Obviously, manufacturing issues seem to be essentially behind you at this point. So how you see that sort of path moving forward?
And then we get some question on the bispecifics, what I think you've talked about being very bullish on, but the commercial uptake, I think, to date has not been maybe quite as much as we thought, and there's been some changes around the dosing intervals and stuff that played a role. So just kind of what you see for CARVYKTI and the bispecific portfolio sort of going forward?
Yes. Maybe I'll start on CARVYKTI and then we can move to the bispecifics. So as you mentioned, CARVYKTI has been incredible in terms of what it's delivering for patients. We shared data on CARTITUDE-1, and we see that 30% of the patients are disease-free at 5 years. So it's really incredible. We continue to grow with CARVYKTI. We've expanded our sites in the U.S. We've also launched in 14 countries. We've treated over 9,000 patients worldwide, and we continue to see incredible growth.
The team from a manufacturing perspective has done a phenomenal job. We are meeting the demand, the growing demand in the U.S., outside the U.S. and seeing incredible growth. And really over half the growth is coming from the community setting. So we've really been able to offer this to so many patients on a worldwide basis. And we are planning to launch in even more countries and continue to expand. So it's been a big success rate, and we continue to be seeing it be a very critical treatment option for patients.
I don't know if you want to add anything on CARVYKTI, and then we can talk a little bit about bispecifics?
Yes. I think, Vamil, with CARVYKTI, right, we're resetting expectations, right? We're now starting to talk about cure for the first time and the potential for cure in the myeloma setting, and that is really coming from CARVYKTI. I would tell you on my side, right, I'm super excited about publishing on New England Journal of Medicines. But actually, this summer, we saw a simultaneous New York Times article, which was kind of interesting, right?
But you actually talked about that idea from hospice to hope, where you have -- you're really talking about these patients who had a median of 6 prior lines of therapy, 1/3 of patients with single dose are alive at 5 years.
Just to kind of ground people again, median survival in that patient population before CARVYKTI was approved was 12 months. Now you got 1/3 of patients who are alive, no disease left at 5 years. You see that plateauing of the curve that is indicative of cure. And I think we're resetting the expectations of efficacy when you think about CAR-Ts in myeloma as the curative potential. And I think anyone following us, anything on an efficacy perspective, cure is the benchmark.
Yes, the bispecifics?
Yes. So I wanted to -- we are very excited about TECVAYLI and TALVEY. So TECVAYLI has been the most successful bispecific launch overall. So we're really pleased. We're obviously seeing continued momentum. We've seen over 20,000 patients being treated worldwide. We have the lowest rates of discontinuation. And we're continuing to garner additional experience in the community, and that's accelerating our momentum and our growth for TECVAYLI.
TALVEY is also growing nicely. It's actually the fastest-growing molecule in its approved indications. And you have the flexibility of using it before BCMA or after. So there's a lot of opportunity there. And again, we're garnering additional experience in the community and seeing that continuous growth.
And we also obviously have some -- we recently announced some great anticipated data on a combination regimen, which is really going to accelerate the utilization of the bispecifics into the community. And maybe Mark can talk a little bit about that. It's very exciting.
Yes. Just a couple of weeks ago, we announced in a press release that we reached the primary endpoint for the MajesTEC-3 study, which is tec dara versus dara pom dex or dara VELCADE dex. We announced that we met the primary endpoint of PFS, but we also included in that press release that we also saw a survival benefit as well. So we now know that tec dara has a proven survival benefit in that early lines of therapy.
And I think the thing that I think is good to just kind of keep in mind with tec and dara, in that schedule, tec is dosed with dara. We use the dara schedule. It's a fully subcu regimen. And I think when we saw with TECVAYLI coming out, first of all, we saw people playing with the dose, playing with the schedule. And I think perhaps that's kind of had some impact on some of the usage. But here, we anticipate that people know exactly how to use dara. It's going to be fit with dara, tec dara.
It's going to fit right into that community setting. It's built for the community. It's built for the community that we now know how to manage CRS, which means that patients can get started without worrying about hospitalization. We know how to manage infections because we've seen how to use IVIG. And so I think that, that regimen of tec dara is really going to fit perfectly into the community setting, and I think you're going to see that rapid uptake clinically because the data are going to be transformative.
Okay. In the last sort of 6 minutes here, I do want to move away from oncology because you have stuff outside of that, too. So the big one, I think, for us, at least icotrokinra. So now filed. Again, one of the big pipeline products that you're highlighting. Can you talk about how you see that sort of entering the market? Obviously, psoriasis is an initial indication with that IBD. And is this a market expansion opportunity? Or do you see it sort of pulling from some of the other advanced therapies that are out there now?
Yes. No, great question. And we are extremely excited about icotrokinra. It is really -- we've seen this become just an unprecedented combination of complete skin clearance in psoriasis, favorable safety profile in an easy once-daily oral pill. And we have a tremendous opportunity to expand the market for psoriasis.
If you think about today, about 60% of patients are eligible and either not taking a systemic treatment or they're not on an advanced systemic treatment. So when you think about this oral icotrokinra, where from market research, the majority of patients prefer orals and they're cycling through topicals and not necessarily on a systemic, you can imagine this can be truly the frontline systemic treatment of choice to expand that market in psoriasis. So it's truly an expansion opportunity, and we're really looking forward to delivering this product with this type of combination. It's going to be a real game changer for patients with psoriasis.
And then you mentioned IBD. So we also have data from a Phase II study that we're leveraging to initiate our Phase III programs in IBD, both ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease, and we see tremendous opportunity to also expand the market with icotrokinra and IBD.
Okay. And then not to leave out another big approval you recently had was CAPLYTA, also $5 billion opportunity for J&J. So this is for adjunctive treatment of MDD. So as you think about the $5 billion, and I know you don't break it up by indication, but how important is the adjunctive MDD opportunity within the broader CAPLYTA?
Yes. It's -- first, we're very excited. We got the approval Wednesday of last week, and we were ready to go on Thursday. And it's very important. First and foremost, CAPLYTA already was approved and has an indication for bipolar I and II, both mono and adjunctive treatment as well as schizophrenia. So you add the adjunctive major depressive disorder indication on, it's just -- it's really important and incredible for patients and prescribers.
In the U.S., there's 22 million people with depression. Mental health is a major issue, not only in the U.S., but also globally. And 1 out of 2 patients that are on an antidepressant have residual symptoms and issues. So having this adjunctive treatment for major depressive disorder is very, very important, and it really resets the treatment expectations.
We have data from a long-term study that shows that 80% of patients had a response and 65% of those at 6 months are in remission. So it is an incredible opportunity. And I think the prescribers really see the benefit of having all of these indications as they're treating patients with different types of conditions. So we couldn't be happier and more excited for patients, and we certainly see this as one of our $5 billion-plus assets coming out of our Intra-Cellular acquisition.
And maybe just one more follow-up on CAPLYTA. I think we've gotten some questions on -- you already have obviously these other indications. So is there a lot of work to sort of do with the payers to get access for patients in MDD? Or should it be relatively seamless because it's already out there.
Yes. It's already been out there. So you can imagine it's really going to be integrated into what is already established, and we continue to be very confident in our ability to enable access for a broad patient population. And then looking to find opportunities to expand even beyond the U.S. into other markets as well. So very, very excited.
Okay. All right. Great. I think we'll leave it there. Thank you so much again to the J&J team for joining us. And obviously, a lot of excitement led us to upgrade shares a few months ago, just given all the progress you guys are making on the pipeline here. So great to see and we'll be watching closely over the next year.
Thank you so much for having us. We appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Thanks.
Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — Guggenheim Securities 2nd Annual Healthcare Innovation Conference
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kernaussage: J&J stellt auf der Konferenz sein stark diversifiziertes Onkologie- und Immunologie-Portfolio heraus: Neue Zulassungen und Files (INLEXZO, CAPLYTA, icotrokinra), aktive Phase‑III‑Programme (SunRISe/MoonRISe, OrigAMI, MajesTEC) und kommerzielle Treiber (CARVYKTI, TECVAYLI, TALVEY) sollen Wachstum über mehrere Therapiegebiete liefern.
✨ Strategische Highlights
- Blasenkarzinom: INLEXZO (nicht‑muscle invasive bladder cancer) wird als praxisnahes, BCG‑freies Therapieangebot positioniert; breites Programm (SunRISe/MoonRISe) deckt viele Subgruppen ab.
- Lungen‑/EGFR‑Onkologie: RYBREVANT + LAZCLUZE als chemo‑freie First‑line‑Option; subkutane Formulierung soll Administration vereinfachen und Adoption beschleunigen.
- Hämatologie: CARVYKTI (CAR‑T) skaliert global; bispezifische Antikörper (TECVAYLI, TALVEY) werden aktiv in Community‑Settings ausgerollt; MajesTEC‑3 liefert angeblich PFS‑ und Überlebensvorteil.
🔎 Neue Informationen
- Headline‑Readouts/Approvals: Management nennt INLEXZO‑Zulassung (9. September laut Vortrag), MajesTEC‑3 Primary Endpoint (PFS) erreicht mit zusätzlichem Signal für Überleben, icotrokinra eingereicht, CAPLYTA‑Indikation für adjunctive MDD angekündigt/gestartet.
- Kommerz: CARVYKTI‑Kapazität stabil, >9.000 behandelte Patienten; TECVAYLI >20.000 Patienten weltweit — schnelle Community‑Penetration.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Uptake‑Profil: Nachfrage nach INLEXZO über akademische Zentren, große Gruppen und Community‑Urologen—Frage nach Tempo der Marktdurchdringung und saisonaler Rollout‑Dynamik.
- Kommerzielle Risiken: Fragen zu Real‑World‑Management von Nebenwirkungen (RYBREVANT IRRs, bispezifische CRS/Infektionen) und zu Payer‑Zugängen, insbesondere CAPLYTA in MDD.
- Sequenz/Positionierung: Wie CAR‑T vs. Bispezif in Versorgungswegen zusammenpassen; Einfluss subkutaner Formulierungen auf Einsatzhäufigkeit.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Präsentation untermauert J&Js Pipeline‑getriebenes Wachstumsnarrativ: mehrere potenzielle $5‑Mrd+ Assets, klinische Readouts und neue Zulassungen steigern Upside. Kurzfristig bleiben Adoptionstempo, Erstattungsfragen und Differenzierung gegen Wettbewerber die entscheidenden Risiko‑Faktoren für Anleger.
Johnson & Johnson — Q3 2025 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, and welcome to Johnson & Johnson's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]
I will now turn the conference call over to Johnson & Johnson. You may begin.
Hello, everyone. This is Darren Snellgrove, Vice President of Investor Relations for Johnson & Johnson. Welcome to our 2025 third quarter review of business results and updated financial outlook. First, a few logistics.
As a reminder, today's presentation and associated schedules are available on the Investor Relations section of the Johnson & Johnson website at investor.jnj.com.
Please note that this presentation contains forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, the company's future operating and financial performance, market position and business strategy. You are cautioned not to rely on these forward-looking statements, which are based on the current expectations of future events using the information available as of the date of this recording and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected. A description of these risks, uncertainties and other factors can be found in our SEC filings, including our 2024 Form 10-K, which is available at investor.jnj.com and on the SEC's website.
Additionally, several of the products and compounds discussed today are being developed in collaboration with strategic partners or licensed from other companies. This slide acknowledges those relationships.
Moving to today's agenda. Joaquin Duato, our Chairman and CEO, will discuss our business performance and growth drivers. I will then review the third quarter sales and P&L results. Joe Wolk, our CFO, will then close by sharing an overview of our cash position and capital allocation priorities, followed by additional details on our intended separation of the Orthopaedics business. He will also provide an update on 2025 guidance, key milestones and qualitative considerations for 2026.
Jennifer Taubert, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, Innovative Medicine; John Reed, Executive Vice President, Innovative Medicine Research and Development; and Tim Schmid, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Chairman, MedTech, will be joining us for Q&A.
To ensure we provide enough time to address your questions, we anticipate the webcast will last approximately 60 minutes. With that, I will now turn the call over to Joaquin.
Thank you, Darren, and hello, everyone. We are looking forward to sharing our very strong third quarter results with you. They are a clear sign Johnson & Johnson is in a powerful new era of growth. The success of our portfolio and pipeline is proof that our relentless focus on innovation is doing more than fueling progress. It is accelerating it.
In the third quarter, we delivered operational sales growth of 5.4% across our business. In Innovative Medicine, we reported 5.3% operational sales growth and a second consecutive quarter of sales of more than $15 billion. Some were not convinced we could grow through the loss of exclusivity of STELARA, but we were confident and we have now unequivocally answered that question.
How did we accomplish that when other companies have failed? In Q3, we did it by delivering double-digit growth across 11 brands, including DARZALEX, CARVYKTI, TALVEY, TECVAYLI, RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE, CAPLYTA, SPRAVATO, SIMPONI, REMICADE, and remarkable growth of 40% in TREMFYA.
In MedTech, operational sales growth was even stronger, accelerating to 5.6%, with improvements across all businesses.
And as you have seen from this morning's news, we have announced the planned separation of our Orthopaedics business. This decision further sharpens our focus as a health care innovation leader and accelerates the shift of our MedTech portfolio to areas of greatest unmet need and higher growth. which includes cardiovascular and robotic surgery. I will touch more on this later, but one thing is clear, Johnson & Johnson's momentum is strong and our achievements are multiplying.
I will now focus on the progress we are making across our 6 priority areas: oncology, immunology, neuroscience, cardiovascular, surgery and vision. These are areas where we have deep expertise and clear leadership positions.
First, oncology, where Q3 operational sales grew nearly 20%. You have heard me say before that we are much more than a one-shot company, and our expertise in blood cancers and solid tumors in our oncology portfolio is a great example. Take multiple myeloma, where our competitiveness is unrivaled. No other company has the expertise or success in multiple myeloma than we do. We have treatments in every line of therapy, and DARZALEX is the gold standard with more than 50% market share across all lines of therapy.
Q3 operational sales of DARZALEX grew by 20%, and its potential continues to build with the approval this quarter in Europe as a treatment for high-risk smoldering multiple myeloma, as well as promising new studies of DARZALEX FASPRO in combination with TECVAYLI.
I also want to say a word about CARVYKTI, our CAR-T treatment for multiple myeloma. We have now treated more than 8,500 patients globally, making CARVYKTI the most successful CAR-T launch ever. With operational sales growing by more than 80% this quarter, we are increasingly confident in CARVYKTI's $5 billion peak year sales potential.
Turning to solid tumors. We were thrilled to receive FDA approval for our bladder cancer treatment, INLEXZO, last month. INLEXZO highlights what is unique about Johnson & Johnson. Building on our unmatched capabilities in both Innovative Medicine and MedTech, it is the first and only drug-releasing system to provide sustained local delivery of a cancer treatment directly into the bladder. It is transformative for patients and it is transformative for doctors.
It will also contribute significantly to future growth with a targeted release platform projected to be another blockbuster treatment with at least $5 billion in annual peak year sales. Sourced through an early stage deal, INLEXZO is also an example of our outstanding business development model. In fact, in the last 18 months alone, we have completed more than 60 deals of this kind.
And in lung cancer, we recently published results in the New England Journal of Medicine for RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE, showing a statistically significant reduction in the risk of death compared to osimertinib. We are now seeing the potential for patients to live significantly longer than anyone thought possible. The combination of RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE is another of our $5 billion peak year sales assets.
Next, I want to talk about immunology, where we have been leaders for 25 years. From REMICADE to SIMPONI and STELARA to TREMFYA, some of our biggest blockbusters have come from our immunology portfolio. We have long talked about TREMFYA as the next big innovation to follow the success of STELARA. Based on this quarter's performance, it looks like it could be both bigger and better, having delivered operational sales growth of 40% driven by new indications in inflammatory bowel disease.
TREMFYA is the only IL-23 inhibitor to offer a fully subcutaneous regimen across ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease. Even prior to the launch of our subcutaneous formulation, TREMFYA was capturing approximately half of all new patient starts for IL-23 ulcerative colitis treatments in the U.S., which we achieved within 1 year from launch. We are confident TREMFYA will become a more than $10 billion asset. And in typical J&J fashion, we are deep in development of our next immunology innovation, icotrokinra, initially for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Historically, the most effective immunology treatments have been injectables. As the first oral peptide to selectively block the IL-23 receptor icotrokinra has the potential to revolutionize the treatment of plaque psoriasis with a once-a-day pill. We submitted icotrokinra for plaque psoriasis to the FDA in July. And you know this is just the beginning as we have already presented data from our Phase II trials in ulcerative colitis.
Let's now turn to neuroscience with SPRAVATO operational sales growing an impressive 61% in Q3. SPRAVATO remains the only approved stand-alone therapy for treatment-resistant depression, a major depressive disorder with suicidal ideation. Through Q3, we have now treated more than 180,000 patients, and I could not be prouder of the impact this team is having.
Our leadership in neuropsychiatry was also strengthened by this year's acquisition of Intracellular Therapies with FDA approval for CAPLYTA in major depressive disorder anticipated soon. CAPLYTA is already FDA approved for the treatment of schizophrenia as well as depressive episodes associated with Bipolar Disorder 1 and 2. We project CAPLYTA to reach $5 billion annually.
Now let's turn to MedTech, starting with our cardiovascular portfolio. In Q3, cardiovascular operational sales increased by approximately 12%, as we fortify our leadership in the fastest-growing cardiovascular intervention segment. With operational sales growth of over 20%, Shockwave's unique intravascular lithotripsy technology is helping treat more atherosclerotic cardiovascular patients than ever before. In fact, in the last quarter, Shockwave supported their 1 millionth patient. And with the recent European approval of the Javelin peripheral intravascular lithotripsy catheter, we expect strong momentum moving forward. We anticipate Shockwave becoming our 13th billion MedTech platform by year-end.
In electrophysiology, we are industry leaders. And with the strength of our [indiscernible] technology, that continues. In Q3, we again delivered close to 10% operational sales growth, and our position will further strengthen with real-world data showing VARIPULSE achieved 99.7% acute effectiveness in nearly 800 patients, with strong safety and no incidence of stroke.
Our Abiomed business also continues to perform strongly with more than 15% operational sales growth in the quarter. Our success reflects the impact that our Impella CP heart pump is having on the lives of patients, which you could see in the long-term survival data that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine this quarter. In the 10-year DanGer Shock study, routine use of Impella CP in patients who have had a heart attack with cardiogenic shock reduced mortality by 16.3% compared to the standard of care, with patients gaining an average of 600 additional days alive. It is a perfect example of what we mean when we say Johnson & Johnson is delivering groundbreaking innovation.
In surgery, we are making progress on multiple fronts. Our surgical technologies are used in most operating rooms globally. And in Q3, we delivered more than 9% growth in biosurgery and almost 7% in wound closure, driven by accelerating adoption of our latest innovations. We also continue to make positive progress with OTTAVA as we anticipate FDA de novo submission in early 2026.
And now to vision, where we grew more than 6% last quarter. Our [ Technis ] intraocular lenses are the fastest growing in the markets where we have launched, fueling our 13.8% operational sales growth in surgical vision. And after launching the world's first multifocal contact lens for people with astigmatism in the U.S. last quarter, we brought this latest member of the ACUVUE OASYS MAX 1-Day family to Europe and Korea in Q3, further strengthening our momentum.
And finally, to this morning's Orthopaedics news. As you know, the health care industry continues to evolve rapidly and we are constantly evaluating our overall business and portfolio to ensure Johnson & Johnson remains best positioned to truly lead where health care is going. We continue to invest at industry-leading levels in our pipeline and portfolio while making disciplined decisions to exit businesses that we believe will be better able to thrive outside of Johnson & Johnson.
For our Orthopaedics business, the planned separation creates new opportunities. Operating as DePuy Synthes and led by Namal Nawana, it would be the largest most comprehensive orthopedic company with leading market share positions across major categories and addressing a more than $50 billion and growing market opportunity. We expect DePuy Synthes to benefit from a more focused business model with greater flexibility to extend its market leadership, invest in its commercial capabilities and capitalize on profitable growth opportunities.
Following the completion of the planned separation, Johnson & Johnson will retain a leadership position in our 6 core growth areas across Innovative Medicine and MedTech, oncology, immunology, neuroscience, cardiovascular surgery and vision, and be able to place even greater focus in our investment towards higher growth areas where we can meaningfully extend and improve lives. We are positioning each business to win and deliver for our stakeholders. As we move forward in the separation process, we will provide additional information as appropriate, and Joe will share more details shortly.
As I said at the start of the call, we are in a new era of accelerated growth at Johnson & Johnson. This is more than just another strong quarter. It is proof that our momentum is building and that our impact is accelerating.
Thank you very much, and I will now turn the call back over to Darren.
Thank you, Joaquin. Moving to our financial results. Unless otherwise stated, the percentages quoted represent operational results and, therefore, exclude the impact of currency translation.
Starting with Q3 2025 sales results. Worldwide sales were $24 billion for the quarter. Sales increased 5.4% despite an approximate 640 basis point headwind from STELARA. Growth in the U.S. was 6.2% and 4.4% outside of the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact on worldwide growth of 100 basis points, primarily driven by the Intracellular acquisition.
Turning now to earnings. For the quarter, net earnings were $5.2 billion, with diluted earnings per share of $2.12 versus diluted earnings per share of $1.11 a year ago. Adjusted net earnings for the quarter were $6.8 billion, with adjusted diluted earnings per share of $2.80, both representing an increase of 15.7% compared to the third quarter of 2024. As a reminder, results in the third quarter of 2024 were impacted by the acquired IP R&D expense of $1.25 billion associated with the NM26 bispecific antibody.
I will now comment on business sales performance in the quarter, focusing on the 6 key areas where meaningful innovation is driving our performance and fueling long-term growth. Beginning with Innovative Medicine, where our results demonstrate the depth of our expertise across oncology, immunology and neuroscience.
Worldwide sales of $15.6 billion increased 5.3% despite an approximate 1,070 basis point headwind from STELARA, illustrating the continued strength of our key brands and new launches. Growth in the U.S. was 6% and 4.3% outside of the U.S. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net positive impact of 160 basis points on worldwide growth due to the Intracellular acquisition.
In oncology, starting with multiple myeloma, DARZALEX growth was 19.9%, primarily driven by continued strong share gains of approximately 5.7 points across all lines of therapy, with nearly 9 points in the frontline setting as well as market growth. CARVYKTI achieved sales of $524 million, with growth of 81.4% driven by share gains and slight expansion. This reflects continued strong sequential growth of 18.5% as our expansion outside the U.S. progresses.
TECVAYLI and TALVEY growth was 29.9% and 59.1%, respectively, bolstered by continued expansion into the community setting.
In prostate cancer, [ Alida ] delivered strong growth of 15.3% due to market growth and continued share gains, partially offset by the impact of Part D redesign.
In lung cancer, RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE delivered sales of $198 million and growth over 100%, driven by continued strong launch uptake. We continue to see share gains in both first and second lines of therapy.
Within immunology, TREMFYA delivered very strong growth of 40.1%. We continue to see share gains across all indications, with particularly robust momentum from our IBD launch. STELARA declined by 42%, driven by the impact of biosimilar competition and Part D redesign, which is in line with our expectations.
In neuroscience, SPRAVATO grew an impressive 60.8%, driven by continued strong demand from physicians and patients. CAPLYTA, which was acquired in Q2 as part of the Intracellular acquisition, delivered sales of $240 million and reflects healthy sequential growth of 13.4%.
Now moving to MedTech. Worldwide sales of $8.4 billion increased 5.6%, with growth of 6.6% in the U.S. and 4.5% outside the U.S., driven by strong performance in our 3 focus areas: cardiovascular, surgery and vision. Acquisitions and divestitures had a net negative impact of 10 basis points on worldwide growth.
In cardiovascular, electrophysiology delivered growth of 9.7% versus prior year, driven by procedure growth, commercial execution, VARIPULSE and other new products and strength in competitive mapping. Abiomed delivered growth of 15.6% with continued strong adoption of Impella technology. And Shockwave increased 20.9% driven by double-digit growth globally in both coronary and peripheral.
Surgery grew 3.3% despite divestitures negatively impacting results by approximately 50 basis points. Performance was primarily driven by technology penetration in wound closure, the strength of the portfolio and commercial execution in biosurgery, as well as a onetime reserve adjustment in the quarter. Growth was partially offset by competitive pressures in energy and the negative impact of China [ VBP ] across the portfolio.
In vision, contact lenses and other products grew 3.5%, driven by market growth, strong performance in the ACUVUE OASYS 1-Day family of contact lenses. This includes the recent launches of OASYS Max 1-Day multifocal for astigmatism and MAX 1-Day for astigmatism, as well as continued strategic price actions.
Surgical vision had another strong quarter with growth of 13.8%, driven by new product innovations such as [ Technis Pure C ], Odyssey and [ Eyehance ], robust demand and strong commercial execution. These results further solidify our leadership positions in vision.
As Joaquin noted, we have today announced our intent to separate the orthopedic business. Orthopedic growth this quarter is gaining momentum and increased to 2.4%. Importantly, hips and knees returned to growth this quarter, delivering 5.1% and 5.6% growth, respectively.
Now turning to our consolidated statement of earnings for the third quarter of 2025. I'd like to highlight a few noteworthy items that have changed compared to the same quarter a year ago. Cost of products sold leveraged by 60 basis points driven by a reduction in amortization expense and favorable currency in the Innovative Medicine business, as well as the nonrecurring fair value inventory step-up related to Shockwave in 2024. This was partially offset by unfavorable product mix in Innovative Medicine along with MedTech macroeconomic factors.
Selling, marketing and administrative expenses deleveraged by 40 basis points driven by increased investment in the recent Intracellular acquisition for CAPLYTA and promotional spend across the Innovative Medicine business, partially offset by expense leveraging in MedTech.
Research and development expenses leveraged by 670 basis points primarily driven by the expense of $1.25 billion to secure the global rights to the NM26 bispecific antibody recorded in 2024. We continued our strong investment in research and development with $3.7 billion or approximately 15% of sales in Q3.
Interest income and expense was a net expense of $18 million, as compared to $99 million of income in the third quarter of 2024, primarily driven by a higher average debt balance and a lower average cash balance. Other income and expense was net income of $0.5 billion, compared to an expense of $1.8 billion in the prior year, primarily driven by a talc litigation charge in 2024 and higher gains on the sales of securities in 2025, partially offset by the monetization of royalty rights recorded in 2024.
Regarding taxes in the quarter, our effective tax rate was 31.2%, compared to 19.3% in the same period last year. The increase is primarily driven by the onetime $1 billion remeasurement of deferred tax balances, which are required to reflect the changes in statutory tax rates associated with the enactment of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act in the third quarter. More information can be found in the company's Form 10-Q.
Lastly, I'll direct your attention to the box section of the slide where we have also provided the company's income before tax, net earnings and earnings per share adjusted to exclude the impact of intangible amortization expense and special items.
Now let's look at adjusted income before tax by segment for the quarter. Innovative Medicine margin improved from 37.9% to 44.3%, primarily driven by the onetime expense of $1.25 billion to secure the global rights of the NM26 bispecific antibody recorded in 2024, partially offset by increased investment in commercial spend in 2025 and the nonrecurring monetization of royalty rights in 2024.
MedTech margin declined from 24.1% to 21%, driven by macroeconomic factors and cost of products sold, partially offset by expense leveraging in [ SM&A ].
This concludes the sales and earnings portion of the call, and I will now turn the call over to Joe.
Thanks, Darren. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. In the third quarter, we sustained momentum across our end market portfolio, delivering upon the heightened financial expectations we guided to last quarter.
In Innovative Medicine, we continued to grow through the STELARA loss of exclusivity as we said we would. The progression of our pipeline evidenced by significant regulatory milestones adds further depth to our 3 focus areas of oncology, immunology and neuroscience. We are well positioned for the balance of the decade.
In MedTech, we improved adjusted operational sales across key areas of the business. As Joaquin mentioned, we are sharpening our focus on high-growth, high-margin markets where we can improve patient outcomes as this morning's announcement regarding the DePuy Synthes business indicates. In a moment, I will build upon Joaquin's comments regarding that announcement.
The foundation we have set combined with the progression of our pipeline strongly position the company for accelerated growth. It also reinforces our conviction to deliver on the upper end of our long-term growth targets.
Let me provide a brief update on the Daubert motions pending in the talc litigation. As you are aware, this is the judicial process by which the court will reexamine the junk science that the mass tort plaintiffs [indiscernible] to fuel baseless claims against Johnson & Johnson as well as many American businesses. We look forward to and expect to secure favorable rulings on the Daubert motions, which should be rendered by the first quarter of 2026.
Now turning to cash and capital allocation. We generated $14 billion in free cash flow through the first 9 months of the year. We ended the third quarter with approximately $19 billion in cash and marketable securities and $46 billion of debt, for a net debt position of $27 billion versus the $32 billion of net debt reported in the second quarter. We continue to utilize our free cash flow generation and strong balance sheet to invest in innovation and return capital directly to shareholders.
We are often asked about our appetite for acquisitions to meet financial targets. I can be very clear on this. We rely on our thoughtful long-term approach to growing through any loss of exclusivity and won't carelessly deploy capital on speculative transactions out of desperation. Our current portfolio and pipeline have momentum. And with the STELARA loss of exclusivity increasingly in the rearview mirror, we do not need to rely on large transactions to drive our growth. We intend to remain disciplined, opportunistically pursuing strategic high-value opportunities that utilize our expertise and capabilities that deliver an appropriate return for the risk that we bear on behalf of shareholders.
Regarding the planned separation of our Orthopaedics business, As Joaquin noted, the separation is expected to enhance the strategic and operational focus of each company and drive value for our shareholders and other stakeholders. Given that we are early in the process, there are limited details available, but we are committed to providing you with information on a timely basis. While we will, of course, communicate material developments, we don't expect to have anything newsworthy to convey until mid-next year.
But what can we say at this moment? First, the separation will further strengthen our overall MedTech business and increased Johnson & Johnson's top line growth and margins. To give that some directional context, if we just look at normalized year-to-date 2025 results, MedTech's top line revenue growth and operating margin would both improve by at least 75 basis points.
Next, we are targeting completion of the separation within 18 to 24 months, subject to the satisfaction of certain conditions. Given it is the most resource-intensive and likely longest duration, we are prioritizing and have begun the separation assuming a spin-off, with the intention for that to qualify as a tax-free separation for U.S. federal income tax purposes. However, we will consider other avenues that optimize shareholder value.
We do not expect any change to the Johnson & Johnson dividend and are mindful of any impact from stranded costs that are typically present in these types of transactions.
Finally, following the separation, we would expect DePuy Synthes to have a strong capital structure that would allow the Orthopaedics business to build on its long history of innovation and extend leadership positions through enhanced organic investment and strategic growth accretive M&A.
As we pursue the separation, the Orthopaedics unit will operate in alignment with the business' current strategy, continuing to make investments in growth, margin improvement and innovation.
Turning now to full year guidance for 2025. We are increasing operational sales guidance for the full year by approximately $300 million, resulting in operational sales growth for the full year in the range of 4.8% and to 5.3% with a midpoint of $93 billion or 5.1%.
Excluding the impact from acquisitions and [ mergers], our adjusted operational sales growth is now expected to be in the range of 3.5% to 4.0% compared to 2024. As a reminder, we started the year guiding to a midpoint for 2.5% for adjusted operational sales.
As you know, we don't speculate on future currency movements and last quarter, we utilized the euro spot rate relative to the U.S. dollar of $1.17. The U.S. dollar has stayed relatively flat to the euro spot rate, and as a result, we now expect reported sales growth between 5.4% to 5.9%, with a midpoint of $93.7 billion or 5.7%.
Turning to other notable items on the P&L. We are reiterating our operating margin guide of an approximate 300 basis point improvement for the full year, assuming what we know today as it relates to tariffs. For net interest expense, we are now projecting between $0 and $50 million, an improvement from the previous guidance, primarily driven by higher cash balances.
We are expecting a higher effective tax rate to be in the range of 17.5% to 18% for the full year, with the increase largely due to the recently enacted One Big Beautiful Bill Act.
We feel strongly that U.S. tax policy has enabled Johnson & Johnson to increase our manufacturing footprint in the U.S. We have more manufacturing facilities in the United States than in any other country, and we remain committed to investing $55 billion in U.S.-based innovation and manufacturing over the next 4 years. In March, we broke ground at our Wilson, North Carolina facility. And in August, we announced a $2 billion commitment to further increase our presence in North Carolina with a more than 160,000 square foot dedicated manufacturing facility at FujiFilm's new biopharmaceutical manufacturing site in Holly Springs. Our overall U.S. investment plans also include 3 additional new advanced manufacturing facilities as well as the expansion of several existing sites.
Turning to earnings per share. You may recall we started the year guiding to adjusted EPS of $10.60. Today we stand much higher even after including dilution of $0.25 from the Intracellular acquisition. Today we are reaffirming our elevated July earnings per share outlook, which also absorbs a higher annual effective tax rate and fourth quarter investments that will further position the business for long-term success. As such, our expected adjusted earnings per share guidance remains $10.85 or 8.7% at the midpoint, with a range of $10.80 to $10.90. Our adjusted operational earnings per share guidance is $10.68 or 7% at the midpoint.
Looking beyond our financial commitments for the year, we are on track to add to the already impressive number of milestones that we achieved across our pipeline in 2025. In Innovative Medicine, we anticipate U.S. FDA approval for subcutaneous RYBREVANT for non-small cell lung cancer as well as for CAPLYTA in adjunctive major depressive disorder. We recently filed for a label expansion on TREMFYA in psoriatic arthritis and plan to present data for RYBREVANT in head and neck cancer at ESMO in the coming week.
In MedTech, we continue to make progress with our clinical trial for our OTTAVA robotic surgical system. In our cardiovascular portfolio, we are planning regulatory submissions for the dual-energy [ Thermocool SmartTouch ] SF catheter for cardiac arrhythmia in the U.S. And in vision, we will continue to roll out ACUVUE OASYS MAX for astigmatism.
As we are close to year-end and with a strong caveat that we are still finalizing plans for next year and macro factors can change quickly, let me provide some preliminary thoughts to inform your modeling for 2026. For Innovative Medicine, we remain very confident in our ability to deliver accelerated growth despite STELARA loss of exclusivity. This will be driven by our in-market brands and continued progress from our recently launched products, including TREMFYA in inflammatory bowel disease, RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE in non-small cell lung cancer and INLEXZO in bladder cancer. We currently anticipate a 2026 approval for icotrokinra in psoriasis.
In MedTech, we continue to expect accelerated growth off this year's levels driven by focus on higher growth markets as well as the continued adoption of newer products across all MedTech platforms. We also anticipate the launch of Shockwave's [ C2 Aero ] coronary IVL catheter, the [ Tecnis Pure C ] intraocular lens in the U.S. as well as regulatory submission for the OTTAVA robotic surgical system.
Again, while early, I like the way 2026 is shaping up. In fact, based on my last look at your 2026 models, it appears the current revenue consensus of 4.6% growth in your models for 2026 is lower than we project, which we believe, in total, will exceed 5%. Similarly, with the expectation that adjusted earnings per share is commensurate with sales growth, there appears to be some upside to the current adjusted earnings per share consensus of $11.39, perhaps as much as $0.05. This commentary considers investments we will be making behind many of the new product launches I just highlighted, but you can also expect some margin improvement. It also reflects our understanding of the present legislative landscape tariffs, foreign exchange rates and procedural volumes. We look forward to sharing further details regarding our official guide for 2026 during our Q4 earnings call in January.
In summary, the strength of our business model with a focus on where we can have the greatest impact for patients will enable Johnson & Johnson to deliver against our strategic objectives and financial commitments. We are as confident as we have been in recent memory about the future.
I'd like to end my remarks by thanking our colleagues around the world for their continued hard work and steadfast dedication that serve our patients and who make these financial results possible and sustainable.
With that, we are happy to take your questions. Kevin, will you please open the call for Q&A.?
[Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Alex Hammond from Wolfe Research.
2. Question Answer
On the Orthopaedics spinout, I'd be interested to understand, why now? And also, could we expect similar separations for other divisions in the future?
And as a quick follow-up, how should we think about the long-term guidance in light of the separation? Could we expect J&J to revisit these forecasts in the near term?
Let me take the first question, why now, why the Orthopaedics separation. It's been a hallmark of Johnson & Johnson to be a good steward of our capital and to make decisions in our portfolio to prioritize where we think breakthrough innovation can come through. And that's exactly what we are doing. We're moving Johnson & Johnson into high-growth markets with significant unmet medical need. And at the same time, we have the foresight to recognize when a stand-alone company could be better and could be a better position to drive growth, innovation and better margins. That's exactly what we are doing with our Orthopaedics separation. We are fueling innovation within Johnson & Johnson, focused on our 6 priority areas. Continue to invest as we are doing in cardiovascular with the acquisitions of Abiomed, Shockwave and also in pharmaceuticals with the acquisition of Intracellular and creating a stand-alone company, is going to be a champion within the context of the orthopedics sector.
Orthopedics is a growing market, $50 billion market. It's fueled by the aging of the population. And we have commanding market shares in the most important segments of orthopedics business. The company is going to be called DePuy Synthes. It's going to be led by Namal Nawana, who is an industry veteran. And I have no doubt they are going to be better positioned to succeed, to drive innovation, to drive growth and to become what they are the largest orthopedic company in the world.
Overall, this is a clear move to be able to manage our portfolio, to position Johnson & Johnson to be able to deliver breakthrough innovation. And the results that you are seeing so far with a very, very strong quarter. I want to underline, this is not only a very strong quarter, it's also an indication, a signal that Johnson & Johnson is in an accelerated cycle of growth, which we expect is going to last the balance of the decade.
So a move in the right direction. I'm sure investors are going to be happy to see that Johnson & Johnson is an active portfolio manager.
Yes. Alex, maybe just to build on Joaquin's comments. Thanks for the question. So there was 2 other parts that I thought I heard from you. This is not a precursor to anything else. We look at what we have now and the clarity of our portfolio. Three strongholds in Innovative Medicine, serving unmet needs with transformational innovation that elevates the standard of care in oncology, neuroscience, in immunology and, likewise, now in MedTech where we have market-leading positions, cutting-edge technology that is improving care for patients in surgery, eye health and cardiovascular. So we're going to be real pleased with the portfolio, and we think Orthopaedics is set up for success going forward based on their profile and their ability to compete against other singularly focused orthopedics companies.
With respect to guidance revisions. So as we mentioned in the scripted commentary, this will take 18 to 24 months. So anything we say about 2026 will likely include the Orthopaedics business in our outlooks. We would expect maybe some material developments in middle of next year. But we commit to keeping this audience particularly advised on a timely basis should anything material unfold.
Next question today is coming from Danielle Antalffy from UBS.
Just a question on, Joe, your commentary around potential margins post the ortho spin. 75 bps, I don't want to get too greedy, but that feels a little light to me. So just curious about why given the mix of the business, it's high-growth cardio, surgical, which I think should be relatively high margin, and vision. It feels like maybe it could be a little bit more than that. So I just want to make sure I understand the puts and takes to that 75 bps number, appreciating that's just a very early target.
Danielle, that's an insightful question. And I think it really depends on the time period by which you're measuring. If we were just to take 2025, you're absolutely right, it would be probably closer to 100 bps both on top and bottom or margin improvement. What I would say is we looked out a couple of years given this will take a couple of years to go through the process. And as Abiomed, Shockwave and the other businesses have higher growth profiles, margin improvements initiatives that are already underway under Tim's leadership, it will have a more muted impact as it goes forward.
So I think on today's math, you're probably closer to being right. It's okay. I don't consider it greedy. Tim might, but I don't. But I think as you look out a little bit further with some of the stronger profile businesses from a financial perspective, it will have more of a muted impact.
Yes. And Danielle, maybe just building on Joe's comments, as I'm sure there'll be a lot of questions on this topic and we'd like to try and get them out of the way so we can focus on the broader business. But I wanted to highlight why this makes sense for Johnson & Johnson MedTech. And as you've heard from Joaquin and Joe, this is all about our commitment to continuous portfolio optimization and value creation. And as you know, we've been on a journey over the last several years to really aggressively move our portfolio into higher-growth markets and adding attractive assets such as Abiomed and Shockwave high-growth markets like cardiovascular are good examples of the bold moves we already made.
This decision to separate ortho is the next major step in that direction. Ortho is a great, but frankly, one that participates, as you know, in lower growth markets. This is all about shrinking to grow faster for MedTech. And last time I looked, you're not rewarding size but really rather best-in-class performance, and that's the path that we're on.
As you already have heard, we expect the separation would increase our top line growth and margins following the complete the completion. And this allows us in MedTech to really to focus on the businesses that will remain, which is our priorities of cardiovascular, surgery and vision.
Look, I want to reiterate, as I told you day 1 when I became CEO, that I am fully focused determined to make our MedTech sector the best-in-class med tech group in the industry. That's a total priority for me, it's a priority for Johnson & Johnson, and we are fully committed to deliver on that and we are on track to become the best med tech sector in the industry. .
Our next question today is coming from Chris Schott from JPMorgan.
Maybe just a question for Joaquin. There seems like there might be a framework for agreements with the administration that's emerging across the space focused on new launches in Medicaid. Can you just talk about how you're thinking about MFN, tariffs, et cetera, and J&J's approach to some of these kind of policy dynamics that are floating around out there?
We've been talking with this administration with an open dialogue since day 1, even before day 1. And we're always looking, as we have done at Johnson & Johnson, for common ground to build in the administration priorities that are similar to ours, priorities like making sure that American patients have access to innovation in an affordable and timely way, priorities like making sure that foreign entities do not free-ride on American innovation, making sure that we are able to maintain the overall leadership that this country has in life sciences. And finally, making sure that we continue to invest in manufacturing in this country to build good middle-class jobs.
So we are delivering on that. We announced our plan to invest $55 billion in the U.S. in the next 4 years, which essentially is going to make it so all our advanced medicines that are used in the U.S. are going to be manufactured in the U.S.
As far as the discussions, those are ongoing. I don't have anything to share today. But I am optimistic that we are going to land in a place which is going to create common ground between the administration and ourselves.
Our next question today is coming from Larry Biegelsen from Wells Fargo.
Joe, you talked about the accelerating sales growth in both Innovative Medicine and MedTech next year. Is the 5% plus, I heard you say earlier, on a reported or adjusted operational basis? I think FX is a tailwind. How are you thinking about the extra week next year? I guess I'm trying to understand if growth will accelerate next year on an adjusted operational basis, excluding the extra week. And the same for EPS, is that on a reported or operational basis?
Yes, Larry. Very simply, since consensus is based on reported for both top line as well as EPS, that was the comparator I use. So there is a slight tailwind, as you mentioned, for FX, but I assume, and I know, Larry, you and your team are very astute at capturing the FX impact, I would assume that's already baked into the 4.6% top line growth that I saw consensus have for 2026. Similarly with the earnings.
So it is a lift, I would say, across the board, but on a basis by which the analysts, yourself included, look at it.
Our next question today is coming from Asad Haider from Goldman Sachs.
Just a big picture question. You'll be exiting this year in a clear position of strength where a number of headwinds from the STELARA LOE are fading into the background, the base business is strong and you've got a new product cycle momentum accelerating through the Innovative Medicines portfolio and you're also seeing a second half improvement in MedTech. So in that context, and with the announcement of this morning to spin off DePuy, can you just maybe double-click a little bit more on how you're going to be balancing capital allocation priorities to sustain acceleration in Innovative Med and push MedTech sustainably towards the 5% to 7% [ ERB ] targets?
And then related in the Innovative Medicines business, the sales growth acceleration in 2026, like you said, Joe, that's not getting modeled by consensus. So what are the biggest disconnects there that you're able to highlight today specifically for next year?
So first, look, we are in a favorable position as far as capital allocation means. We have a number of important opportunities to invest within our pipeline and portfolio. So that is our #1 priority now as far as capital allocation. We're in the middle of the launch, and Tim and Jennifer will discuss about that, of major blockbuster products.
On the Innovative Medicine side, we are launching TREMFYA in inflammatory bowel disease; RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE in lung cancer; INLEXZO in localized bladder cancer. We continue with the growth of CARVYKTI and SPRAVATO. And we just filed for icotrokinra in plaque psoriasis. So we have a wealth of opportunities to drive significant growth in our pharmaceutical business that Jennifer will describe.
Just to give you an idea of the strength of our pharmaceutical business. Excluding STELARA, our pharmaceutical business in the third quarter grew a whopping 16%. So that's very big business, more than $50 billion business growing at 16%. So we have multiple opportunities to drive capital allocation in the pharmaceutical business as well as in our pipeline there. I mean we're working a bispecific for prostate cancer tri-specific for multiple myeloma, a wealth of opportunities to drive capital allocation.
On the MedTech side, I mean we're in the middle of major things in the MedTech side. On one hand, we are committed to remain leaders the electrophysiology segment with the launch of VARIPULSE, our dual-energy catheter. We continue to work in improvements in our CARTO system, and we are determined to invest there to remain the leaders as we have been. We are working to expand our heart pumps. You guys all know about the New England Journal of Medicine publication showing the DanGer study in patients with acute myocardial infarction that had cardiogenic shock that show a 600 days improvement over a 10-year period. Impressive breakthrough innovation there. We have a lot of opportunities in Shockwave with the Javelin peripheral catheter and [ Aero ] system in coronary that we are launching.
And if I move into the second priority, which is our robotic surgery expansion, we are about to file with the FDA in the first half of the year our OTTAVA soft robotic -- soft-tissue robotics system. We are also determined to be a major player in robotics. I'm always telling you we are determined be major players in robotics. So we continue to have opportunities for capital allocation in both businesses. And our priority now is to be able to fuel the growth in our portfolio and our pipeline.
We, as Joe mentioned before, we are in a position, just to be clear, that we do not need large M&A to deliver in the high end of our growth targets. Let me repeat that we do not need large M&A to deliver in the high end of our growth targets. We are going to be looking at opportunities as we always do, but we are in a position in which our #1 capital priority is going to be fuel our pipeline and our portfolio.
Yes, Asad. The only thing I would add to that is just the number of smaller deals we do that don't make headlines on the day of the transaction, I think 60 over the last 2 years, and those lead to products like INLEXZO we acquired in 2019 for a couple of hundred million dollars, and through really passion for their craft as well as passion for meeting patients' unmet needs, Dr. [ Chris Coody ], Dr. Charles Drake, were able to find -- their teams were able to find a bladder cancer treatment that is revolutionary. Nothing has been new in the last few decades with respect not only ease for the patient, but also ease for the administrating physician.
It's deals like that. We look at next year's product for icotrokinra, where we expect again a couple of hundred million dollar investment, will turn out to be a $1 billion platform for us. Because that's where our competitive advantage lies, is the scientific expertise that we're able to recognize early on, bringing forth a label that is most expansive, most complete and in record time.
Thanks, and good morning, everybody. So I'd love to double down on the fact that it really was a great quarter in 3Q. And those numbers that, for 90% of our business, we actually grew 16%. And that's really driven by 11 key brands that grew double digits, brands like DARZALEX, [indiscernible] SPRAVATO, CARVYKTI and so on as well as the strength that we're seeing in our new launches. And most notable there is TREMFYA in Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis with 40% growth, that is 4-0. And so we've got a lot of strength in the business right now.
Those growth drivers that are growing double digits are not only now and just year; these really are our growth drivers throughout the rest of the decade, as well as the pipeline asset coming in and the great growth that we're seeing, and most notably, TREMFYA.
If we take a look versus your model, in the areas where we have even -- where we're even more bullish, a few areas to note. So first is TREMFYA. And we think that there's a lot of strength with TREMFYA already. We're seeing in ulcerative colitis about 50% share of the IL-23s. And this was actually before we got the subcutaneous induction dose, which we just got approval for. We're seeing really, really strong uptake there. And I think things bode real well for TREMFYA.
As a reminder, for STELARA, about 75% of STELARA sales were in Crohn's and ulcerative colitis, so in IBD. We think that that's entirely likely or may even be stronger for TREMFYA. So we think that there's a lot of growth opportunity there.
We believe SPRAVATO, there is a bit of a disconnect. We are more bullish there as well, as we continue to into new treatment centers, as we continue to expand globally, that product is offering so much value for patients with treatment-resistant depression.
Also in RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE, for non-small cell lung cancer, we're anxiously anticipating our launch of the subcutaneous dosage form. We think that there is a lot of runway there as a $5 billion-plus asset. We're also anticipating new data coming out in head and neck cancer and also colorectal cancer. So great growth.
Joaquin and Joe mentioned INLEXZO, formerly known as [ Terris ], and we just got approval and are in the process of launching for bladder cancer. This is one of our next $5 billion plus assets.
And last not least, icotrokinra, which we have filed and are also in the midst of showing new data both in psoriasis as well as in ulcerative colitis.
And so when we take a look at the business both now as well as these future growth drivers, we've got a lot of bullishness there. And so those are really the major areas for disconnect.
Asad, maybe just building on Jennifer and Joaquin's comments for MedTech, a couple of things that I'd really highlight. Joaquin mentioned our continued confidence and commitment to winning over the long term in electrophysiology. We had a standout quarter. And what really marked it was our continued improvement, especially here in the U.S., which will continue to be the largest and most attractive market. We saw a doubling of our growth rate in this quarter, and we continue to build momentum.
Vision, which we haven't touched on also, which had a standout quarter, 6.1% growth, 14% growth in the IOL category with significant share gains against our major competitors there.
And then surgery, our largest business, around 3.3% growth, but really bolstered by strong performance in wound closure at 7% and biosurgery. And once again, that launch of OTTAVA next year is going to really bolster our performance there.
And then I think also what made us proud and excited about this quarter versus last is that we had performance across the board. Ortho, actual growth with significant improvements in spine, knees, trauma and broader.
Thanks, Tim. And just before we take the next question, we will actually run a little bit longer than the 60 minutes we planned just given the announcement that we had leading to longer script remarks.
Next question is coming from Shagun Singh from RBC.
Joaquin and Joe, congratulations on all the operational progress at J&J. I think a key message that I'm hearing is the acceleration in sales growth. And in your prepared comments, you did indicate the higher end of the 5% to 7%. I guess my question is -- and a lot of your businesses are growing very impressively in the double digits. So what gets you to exceed those levels? And as we think about 2026, why is 5% a good number given that you have easy comps? Could you do better, and what would drive that?
Yes, Shagun, thanks for the recognition. It's a great job by the entire Johnson & Johnson team across the globe. I think towards the 5% to 7%, obviously, we made that commitment back in 2023. We've seen significant progress with our portfolio. We've added some acquisitions that fortify that number. We are striving for something better than that, that don't misconstrue our ambitions here.
What I would say for next year specifically, we are still going to face erosion with respect to STELARA. There will be additional discounting in the Innovative Medicine portfolio, and we will still have the Orthopaedics business, and we will continue to make progress with electrophysiology going back to market leadership with the PFA platform. So there's things that we will obviously look to improve upon those numbers, because when I glimpsed at your models for '26, I did see a clear disconnect, and I'll provide more details when it comes to January.
But we feel very confident in not just how we're going to conclude 2025, not just the backdrop for 2026, but really the balance of the decade. As Joaquin said both on media interviews as well on today's call, this is a new era of growth, accelerated growth for Johnson & Johnson, and we feel very good about not just our end market portfolio, but all the new products within our pipeline that will come to launch over the next 1 to 2 years.
Next question is coming from Terence Flynn from Morgan Stanley.
Great. Congrats on all the progress. This one is for John. I know at our healthcare conference, you talked about some upcoming data you're going to have for your anti-tau antibody, which is in Phase II. Just I was wondering if you could help frame that data for us, what you're hoping to see there. And could that trial actually be used to support an accelerated approval or will you need a Phase III?
Terence, we expect to have the data on the Phase II study in-house within this year and would then be in a position to share those at a medical congress sometime first half of next year. The endpoint in that study includes, first and foremost, cognitive endpoints that are traditionally used for regulatory approvals for medicines in terms of looking for effects and that efficacy in Alzheimer's. But in addition, we'll also have important neuroimaging data looking at tau spread using PET imaging. So that will be an important piece of the data as well.
And based on the quality of those data, that will be a decision-making point for us in terms of go, no-go. We have designed our antibody to attack a specific epitope in tau that's differentiated from what some others have exploited and feel confident in the ability to prevent the spread of tau based on the preclinical data. But of course, the data will be the data, as we say, when we get the clinical results. So we'll be eagerly awaiting those results and look forward to communicating in the fullness of time.
Next question today is coming from Jayson Bedford from Raymond James.
Congrats on the progress. Maybe just a quick one for Joe or Tim. Just trying to gauge the underlying growth in MedTech. It looks like there was a reserve adjustment that helped MedTech growth, perhaps offset by this go-to-market change in energy. Is there a way to quantify the net impact of these adjustments as it relates to the, what, 5.7% adjusted operational growth in MedTech?
We do not believe that the one you're referring to has any significant materiality and shouldn't impact -- we would say moderate, certainly not material from an overall performance perspective.
Next question is coming from Vamil Divan from Guggenheim Securities.
If I could on INLEXZO [indiscernible] really a 2-part question. So one what is sort of a near-term uptake. Just curious if you can comment on sort of what initial feedback is from doctors, and it is this buy-and-bill model, just curious if you're seeing doctors already sort of stepping and purchase the product? Or are they waiting for the permanent J code?
And then second is more of a longer-term question on this, is just what should we expect in terms of updates both clinical data-wise or regulatory-wise in the next, say, 12 to 18 months to just expand the addressable population to other patients with bladder cancer and also outside the U.S.? I think we're getting excited about the outlook of this product. But just I know before you've mentioned that there's a big disconnect between your internal expectation and where consensus is. And I think that suggests you guys think this will be a $2 billion plus product by 2028. So just trying to get a sense of how you expect to build on the initial launch to that level.
Sure. Thanks so much for the question. So yes, we did just get approval for INLEXZO, and the teams are out in full launch mode. And we have a lot of confidence that this is one of our $5 billion plus assets for Johnson & Johnson. The receptivity has been very strong.
We like to say that this product was really designed by urologists for urologists and really is addressing a high unmet need. There hasn't been much advances in the way of bladder cancer for a very, very long time. And so in the initial launch, it's in BCG unresponsive, high-risk non-muscle invasive bladder cancer, and we've been able to demonstrate the highest complete response rates, without a need for reinduction. And over half of responders are still cancer-free at 1 year. And so really, really transformational results.
The product was designed to seamlessly fit into urology practice and be, relatively speaking, easy on the patient compared to other therapies and, like I said, seamlessly work into practice. And so, so far, the response from clinicians has been very positive. For our executive committee, we actually had 1 of our top investigators come and spend time with us last week and show us models, their demonstration and talk about why he's so excited about it, both as a clinician as well as for his patients.
So we've already had a number of insertions based on the high level of unmet need. But as you note, we're also the J code for reimbursement come April of next year. So we think that that will be an important catalyst uptake as is normal and common in routine buy-and-bill type products. So we're excited about that.
John, maybe you want to talk a little bit, particularly about [ Sunrise III ] and what's coming, as well as [ Tar 210 ].
Yes. Thank you so much for the question. We have a broad development program underway with several Phase III studies to address the non-muscle invasive bladder cancer population, high risk. That's about half of all the non-muscle invasive bladder cancer patients. And our studies include both the patients who are BCG experienced in the first approval that was for BCG nonresponsive. We also have studies in BCG relapsed. And then we also have head-to-head frontline studies against BCG. So really covering a broad landscape there.
And just to remember that there are about 600,000 patients every year who are newly diagnosed with bladder cancer. 75% of those have the non-muscle invasive localized, and then another 20% have localized, but it is muscle invasive There, too, we're also doing studies. And in fact, at the ESMO conference in a couple of days, we'll present data where, in the neoadjuvant context, we've used INLEXZO in combination with our PD-1 antibody, [ sutralevant ], and we'll report the data there showing that we're able to render a much higher percentage of patients completely free of any evidence of disease that you can bind histologically or by other methods, what's called pathological complete response. And therefore, boding for better outcomes for these patients who already have muscle invasive disease and are having surgery to remove their bladder as a result of that risk.
So really see a broad opportunity for INLEXZO, particularly in the non-muscle invasive across all lines of therapy in that high-risk non-muscle invasive, which is about half of all those patients, as well as in some populations of patients with the muscle invasive as well.
And then I would just give a shout-out that that's not going to be a one-trick pony for us. We have [ Tar 210 ] coming rapidly on the heels. This is a next-generation device that releases, instead of a chemotherapy, a targeted therapy or [ erdafitinib ] drug that inhibits receptor tyrosine kinase that is commonly mutated in bladder cancers. It's actually the most common genetic mutation that occurs in bladder cancers. And there, we've seen response rates, complete response rates, north of 90% in our next-generation device for that. Releases the medicine at a steady rate, not just for 3 weeks, like INLEXZO, but for 3 months. More to come. Really excited about this platform for addressing the great unmet need of bladder cancer.
Your next question is coming from Matt Miksic from Barclays.
So just a couple of follow-ups. One on just the sequential strength in the quarter, a little bit unusual for several quarters. So how much of that do you feel like is, speaking of MedTech, mostly here, even though pharma was pretty strong also, but just the sequential improvements from you think the market feels stronger, or was this predominantly user leaning back into competition in some of your core med tech markets?
And then just a follow-up on all the discussions about the spin, just if we should think of holding on to MedTech concentrating on the key businesses that you mentioned, does this also open the door to sort of, I guess, loosen up the capital structure and balance sheet in such a way to start adding to some of those areas as you get closer to or through the spin?
Matt, thank you for the question. Let me take the first one. What's really attractive about this quarter and built on the tremendous performance in the second quarter was the solid performances across all businesses. And so where you saw that sequential improvement, if you'll recall, our Ortho business struggled in the first and second quarter, we saw a nice improvement in Q2. Q3, we returned growth with tremendous performances in categories like hips with 5.1%, knees 5.6%, strong performance in trauma, and actually returning to growth in spine. And so Ortho was a major competitor or a major contributor to that performance. And then, of course, we had continued tremendous performance in our fastest-growing category in cardiovascular, solid performances in surgery, and acceleration within vision, as I mentioned earlier, driven by our performance primarily in the intraocular space.
Thank you. And overall, as we discussed at the beginning of this call, our focus and priority within MedTech is around our 3 areas which are vision, cardiovascular, in which we already have acquired a number of companies, and also robotic surgery where we are focusing on being able to submit our OTTAVA soft-tissue robotics system to the FDA in the first half of 2026. We'll continue to look for opportunities there in order to enhance our portfolio and be able to make our MedTech group the best med tech group in the industry, which is a clear goal for me and for Johnson & Johnson.
Our final question today is coming from David Risinger from Leerink.
Congrats on the performance. So my question is on icotrokinra. I'm curious about how you plan to position it relative to TREMFYA given the similar indications for the 2 therapies.
And we are really excited about the opportunity for icotrokinra and see as one of our next big $5 billion plus brands. And so why are we excited about it? So we believe it's really going to set the new standard of care in the treatment of plaque psoriasis, and that will be the first indication. Unprecedented combination of complete skin clearance and a favorable safety profile with the simplicity of an oral pill.
We're really, really confident in what we've seen. And so not only are we studying it versus other orals, we're actually it head-to-head versus STELARA. And no oral agents have been able to really compete with that combination of both biologic-like efficacy and that known safety profile. And so we're really bullish.
If you take a look at the market, despite today's treatments, there's still less than 30% of eligible patients who have moderate to severe psoriasis who are receiving advanced treatments. And so we think there is a significant market expansion opportunity to be able to bring patients into advanced therapies into that frontline setting. So we think there's a big opportunity there. We think as we move closer to the launches with the way the profiles are differentiating, there will be a unique and distinct position for icotrokinra and also a distinct and unique position for TREMFYA that will allow us to have both really continued significant growth on both assets, particularly given the high level of unmet need in the market.
So more to come on that. I'm not going to give away everything on the positioning, but we think that there are really distinct places that they're going to play. Ico is going to be a really significant asset for us. And you can see how well TREMFYA is doing with the 40% growth that we achieved this quarter.
David, keep your eyes up and we have more publications coming out on our icotrokinra data. 2 active [indiscernible] papers in press at the New England Journal of Medicine describing the placebo-controlled studies and then a paper in press at The Lancet showing our head-to-head against a leading TYK2 inhibitor in psoriasis. So exciting times for that really novel targeted oral peptide for the autoimmune diseases where the IL-23 class plays.
Thanks, David, and thanks to everyone for your questions and interest in J&J. Please reach out to the Investor Relations team with any remaining questions you have.
I will now turn the call over to Joaquin for some brief closing remarks.
Thank you all of you for joining the call today. As you heard, we have had a very strong third quarter. We have sharpened focus around our 6 priority areas of oncology, immunology, neuroscience, cardiovascular, surgery and vision, and we are in a period of accelerated growth with innovation and pioneering treatments that are going to transform lives. Thank you for your interest in Johnson & Johnson and enjoy the rest of your day.
Thank you. This concludes today's Johnson & Johnson's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. You may now disconnect.
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Johnson & Johnson — Q3 2025 Earnings Call
Johnson & Johnson — Q3 2025 Earnings Call
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: $24,0 Mrd. operativ +5,4% YoY (inkl. ~640 Basispunkte Headwind durch STELARA-Verlust der Exklusivität)
- Innovative Medicine: $15,6 Mrd. +5,3% operativ (STELARA-Headwind ~1.070 bps)
- MedTech: $8,4 Mrd. +5,6% operativ
- Ergebnis: Adj. Nettogewinn $6,8 Mrd.; Adj. EPS (bereinigtes Ergebnis je Aktie) $2,80, +15,7% YoY
- Bilanz/Cash: Free Cash Flow YTD $14 Mrd.; Cash & Marktwertpapiere ~$19 Mrd.; Nettoverschuldung ~$27 Mrd.
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Fokusbereiche: Konzentration auf 6 Prioritäten: Onkologie, Immunologie, Neurologie, Kardiovaskulär, Chirurgie und Vision als Wachstumstreiber
- Portfolio-Entscheidung: Geplante Abspaltung der Orthopädie zu "DePuy Synthes" (ziel: 18–24 Monate; vorrangig Spin‑off, steuerlich angestrebt steuerfrei)
- Innovation & M&A: Betonung organischer Launches und kleinerer, strategischer Deals (60+ in 18 Monaten); disziplinierte Kapitalallokation, kein Bedarf an großen "desperaten" Übernahmen)
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Umsatzprognose 2025: Operative Umsatzwachstums‑Spanne 4,8–5,3% (Mittelpunkt $93,0 Mrd.); berichtete Spanne 5,4–5,9% (Mittelpunkt $93,7 Mrd.)
- Ergebnisprognose: Bestätigtes Adj. EPS $10,85 (Spanne $10,80–$10,90); Adj. op. EPS $10,68
- Weitere Hinweise: Höhere effektive Steuerquote 2025 ~17,5–18% (One Big Beautiful Bill Auswirkung); Management sieht 2026 >5% Wachstumspotenzial und leichten EPS-Upside gegenüber Konsens.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Orthopädie‑Spin: Warum jetzt? Management: Portfolio‑Fokus und bessere Wertschöpfung für eine eigenständige Ortho‑Firma; kein Signal für weitere sofortige Zerschlagungen
- Margin‑Hebel: Analysten hinterfragen 75 bps Benefit; CFO: kurzfristig größerer Effekt möglich, mittelfristig moderater
- Produkt‑Nachfragen: INLEXZO‑Launch/Erstattung (starker klinischer Bedarf; J‑Code Apr. 2026 als Katalysator) und icotrokinra‑Positionierung gegenüber TREMFYA wurden detailliert diskutiert
- Rechtsrisiken: Talc‑Daubert‑Motions — Management erwartet Entscheidungen bis Q1 2026.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Starkes operatives Momentum getrieben von mehreren Double‑digit‑Wachstumsmarken und neuen Launches; Guidance leicht angehoben. Die geplante Abspaltung von DePuy Synthes soll Wachstum und Margen von verbleibendem J&J verbessern, bleibt aber ein kurzfristiger Unsicherheitsfaktor. Anleger sollten Pipeline‑Meilensteine, Separation‑Timeline sowie die Daubert‑Entscheidung beobachten.
Johnson & Johnson — Bernstein 2nd Annual Global Healthcare Conference
1. Question Answer
All right. I think we'll jump in here. So thanks, everybody, for joining. I'm Lee Hambright, U.S. MedTech analyst at Bernstein. We're thrilled to hope -- to host Company Group Chairman, Johnson & Johnson, Innovative Medicine North America, Tom Cavanaugh. Tom, thanks so much for being here.
Thank you for having me.
So we're scheduled for a 40-minute fireside chat. You should all have the pigeonhole link if you want to submit questions. We've got the iPad up here.
So Tom, you've been in the Chairman role here for almost 2 years now. Maybe you can just kick us off with some opening remarks on how you see the state of the business at J&J.
Yes, I'd be happy to. Hello, everyone. Pleasure to be here with all of you. It's an exciting time at our company at Johnson & Johnson. I'm happy to share some major catalysts for our business and outlook for the coming quarters and years.
Look, I think Johnson & Johnson, what sets us apart is really our depth and breadth and strength of our portfolio against any of our industry peers. And we are what we like to say, in a new era of growth in the innovative medicine business. I think as many of people had realized, we were facing the loss of exclusivity of STELARA, the biggest asset that we had in Johnson & Johnson. And I would tell you, that's behind us. I think we've proven ourselves to be able to what we set out to do is grow through loss of exclusivity of STELARA in the coming years. In the first 2 quarters, we've proven just that.
We're quite excited about our portfolio, the breadth and depth of it. But also some of the most recent launches that we have. Just recently, we got the approval for INLEXZO for bladder cancer. We're anticipating the launch of CAPLYTA for aMDD. In fact, we just closed that acquisition for Intra-Cellular earlier this year and excited to welcome the employees on board to Johnson & Johnson, and they're ready to launch this product for major depressive disorder.
We're also quite excited about the momentum that we had in some of our most critical launches, whether they be TREMFYA in IBD, that's off to an incredible start. RYBREVANT LAZCLUZE for non-small cell lung cancer, those with an EGFR mutation, again, off to a very strong start as well as some of our underlying base business and portfolio, really the in-line markets growing above expectations, really centered around DARZALEX, really the gold standard for multiple myeloma and the foundational therapy across all lines of therapy in multiple myeloma.
And I have to tell you, it's going to be an exciting time to be at Johnson & Johnson Innovative Medicine. And I will say, based on all of this, we are really confident to live into our long-term projections of 5% to 7% compound annual growth through the remainder of the decade. And quite frankly, we feel we're on the upper range of that where we have the momentum going.
Excellent. Excellent. A great kickoff, lots to dig into there. So maybe we start with some macro. Just a lot of moving parts over the last year or so, MFN Medicaid cuts, expiration of the exchange subsidies, PBM reform, changes in HHS, cuts at FDA and CDC tariffs, all these things. How would you just frame your latest thinking on all that policy uncertainty?
That's a lot. Look, there has been a lot going on. A lot of discussions taking place, especially from a policy perspective. I can tell you, at Johnson & Johnson, we have an experience in navigating these times, a 140-year-old company. We've dealt with 24 administrations with different complexity, different policy reforms, our proposed policy reforms. I'd tell you, we've been able to weather the storm. I think first and foremost, on the foundation of the strength of our portfolio, the breadth and depth of our portfolio allows us the ability to navigate these uncertain times as people would call it. I'll tell you, giving you more confidence, due to these uncertain times, we've raised our guidance. So it just reassures your confidence in our ability to grow through this.
And it's not without some potential challenges that we might face. I will say, as we think about the administration, the current administration, it really comes to be about finding commonalities, common grounds, ways in which we can work together. And we're quite pleased with an open door policy that we see on both ends, both from a pharma perspective, whether through our trade groups, whether it be pharma or bio, but also the administration. They're willing and able to work with us and are listening to us. Sometimes that wasn't in the case in some of our previous administrations. And with that said, I do think as we come together and able to have those open dialogues, we got to find common ground.
You mentioned a few things, MFN, IRA, effectuation, some other things with regards to macro policy changes. I would tell you, I do think there's some more alignment than not. I'll say, one thing as we you think about it, some of the things we just recently announced earlier this year, Johnson & Johnson committed to $55 billion in manufacturing here in the U.S., kicking off our state-of-the-art biologics facility down in Wilson, North Carolina. This is something the administration was very focused on, bringing U.S. economy and jobs back to the U.S. as well as manufacturing to the domestic -- domestic manufacturing. And we are committed to that. And we are already working along the way, even during this first term when he made some tax changes to allow and incentivize us to come back to the U.S.
I will tell you, a lot of our industry peers are doing that. So here we are, it brings resilience to our supply chain as well, but bringing the economy back to the U.S. and really domestic manufacturing is one area, I think we saw eye to eye with and are moving forward.
Other areas, I think we talk about lowering health care costs. And really, what it comes down to is the consumer or the patient, and we are fully committed to that as well. One of the things you think about MFN is pricing is looking at quality across some of the countries or the intent is everybody paying the fair share, so to speak. I think at the end of the day, if you think about list versus net price, some of the things in the intermediaries is where we need to focus on. And the administration is willing to work with us on that, whether it be PBM reform or 340B reform.
Just recently, they allowed HRSA to move forward with our industry to do a rebate model for 340B, really to understand the transparency in the system, ensure the right patients are getting the right discounts or the providers are giving those discounts to be appropriate patients. And I think that's important. If we can really reduce those costs in the intermediaries, I mean, we have our transparency report, the 10th-year, we've published it online. I welcome anybody to go to it. But $0.58 to every dollar goes to the intermediaries. So if you can reduce that, you can reduce overall health care costs and consumption, ultimately hit the consumer and lower the out-of-pocket cost for them as well.
Excellent. Okay. Great. One policy question from the crowd. Just somebody wondering what's the tenor of the conversations with the government with respect to IRA. I think there's a little bit of a thought that maybe the negotiations get a little harder this next time around. Any comment on that?
Yes. I can tell you, we went through the first round. We had 2 products ourselves, and we're looking -- we're preparing and working with the government, CMS on effectuation so the model to be able to effectuate the prices in the system. Very open dialogue, willingness to work with us. We haven't seen anything from a single standpoint that they're going to be harder on negotiations. I think some may say the first round was not necessarily negotiations. That was in the first [indiscernible] other administration.
So it's always going to be dynamic. We expect that. For us, it's continued to recognize the value and defend the value because we are really changing the lives of many patients worldwide.
Excellent. Okay. Great. Let's talk about targets. At your last EBR, December 2023, you set a target to hit $57 billion in pharma sales by 2025, and you got there a year early in '24. I think you're proving that you can grow the business through STELARA LOE, as you said. Consensus now expects almost $60 billion in sales for 2025. Maybe talk a little bit about the drivers that enable you to fill that gap.
Yes. Thanks for recognizing that. We did hit it a year ahead of expectations. And hopefully, now maybe you can get a little change, maybe an upgrade coming out of this conversation like Guggenheim did yesterday. But I would say people are starting to realize our growth and our opportunity ahead of us, and we are quite excited about where that growth is coming from.
A few areas I'll focus on, TREMFYA. TREMFYA, we have said we believe TREMFYA will be a $10 billion-plus asset. And I don't necessarily say the Street is recognizing all of that and realizing all of that. If you look at like the underlying source of business, predominantly has been in psoriatic disease. We're about $4 billion worldwide in 2024. And now we just launched in the last year globally, our indications in IBD. So both in ulcerative colitis about a year ago, Crohn's disease in the U.S. earlier this year and now fully a subcutaneous induction therapy for both Crohn's and ulcerative colitis.
And I'll tell you why that's important. But I bring this up because if you think about a proxy, I talked about STELARA as the largest asset or was the largest asset in Johnson & Johnson, a $11 billion peak year sales, 75% of that was IBD. So if you just think about that, the promise that we have for TREMFYA in IBD, we are off to an incredibly good start. We foresee absolutely every chance to be able to achieve the $10 billion plus, really with the best-in-class asset that we see, our customers are saying that, simplicity and ease of administration, the subcutaneous formulation based on our customers' reaction is a game changer. No other IL-23 has that, and our growth -- and we're starting to see that growth already. And IL-23 in ulcerative colitis is the fastest-growing class or the fastest-growing assets. So we feel very confident in our ability to deliver TREMFYA and that also helps close that gap as we think about the $60 billion that you highlighted.
Another area I would talk about is lung cancer. RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE, we've launched across multiple patient types in lung cancer with EGFR mutation. I'll tell you, with the positive data, the overall survival advantage that we've communicated earlier this year, nothing has shown a survival advantage of that magnitude versus standard of care, OC chemo or OC, I would say. And we do believe RYBREVANT plus LAZCLUZE has the ability to become a $5 billion-plus peak year sales asset. So we're well underway to achieving that.
And then not to mention the underlying growth of our in-line business, really back on the DARZALEX FASPRO. I think you can continue to see momentum there and the breadth of our portfolio. We do believe in oncology, by 2030, we're going to see a $50 billion peak year sales really based on the backbone of our multiple myeloma franchise. So I feel more than confident we're going to be able to live into the 5% to 7% and achieve more than what we expect.
That's great. Excellent. Okay. Great. Let's go one by one and try to jump into some of these. So maybe starting with immunology on STELARA. It's been a few months now. The biosimilar launches are out there. Last quarter, J&J sales grew 3% organic despite the 710 bps headwind from STELARA LOE. Can you just talk a little bit more about how the erosion curve is playing out versus your expectations?
Yes, as expected. I think we gave -- we felt a proxy for STELARA erosion would be Humira year 2 erosion, and we're tracking along those lines. So as I said before, we do believe STELARA is in the back seat or in their rearview mirror, and we are ready to grow well above where we were with STELARA in our hands.
Yes. Could that move even faster as TREMFYA really starts to take off?
You raised a very good point. You have molecular erosion of the molecules, so the branded within the molecule, but then you also have erosion of the actual class, let's call it, the IL-12/23. With TREMFYA and the momentum that we have, we can also cut that erosion by really growing through it with our launch in UC as well as CD and across the other indications such as psoriatic disease.
Yes. Excellent. So you talked -- you highlighted TREMFYA already as a key driver, 30% growth last quarter, great feedback for the IBD indication, strong start in Crohn's and UC. What are you hearing in the field? I mean, what do you hear from physicians?
Yes. I can tell you, I think, first and foremost, they are recognizing TREMFYA is differentiated. It's the only dual-acting IL-23 on the marketplace. As I highlighted, they do believe in ulcerative colitis, really best-in-class endoscopic remission and histological endpoints, similar to that in Crohn's disease, first head-to-head study against in a registration trial versus STELARA and definitely winning on multiple endpoints there that are very important to the patient, but also the provider. As you think about it, we feel it is a best-in-class asset. We have fulfillment, so the patients to be able to receive the product is simple and easy as we were launching it. It's the first time they've seen it where in 24 hours, the patient will be able to receive the product.
And why is that important? And why were they able to do that? One, subcutaneous induction, so self-administration. They can go directly to their house and they can administer versus the other IL-23s and quite frankly, what we had with STELARA, where you actually have to have it infused for induction and then you go to maintenance where it's subcutaneous and self-administered. So that is really what physicians are calling game changer.
Like when we just got approval in UC for subcutaneous induction, we sent out communications to many of our thought leaders and customers and they were just like, "This is just practice-changing, game changer." These are actual quotes. So incredible enthusiasm and why we are so confident and excited about this. And so confident, we also went forward with a head-to-head study against Skyrizi in Crohn's disease. So we just recently announced that as well. So we feel very confident in the molecule to really get us well beyond $10 billion plus.
So that was a PR just 5 days ago or so announcing the head-to-head trial. I know -- so it demonstrates superiority of TREMFYA over Skyrizi. And I think, as you mentioned, you like your chances given the fully subcu regimen. Can you just elaborate maybe a little bit on what you're trying to achieve with that study?
It is just what you said, like we do believe in Crohn's disease, we are differentiated. We want to show that clinically. I think everybody cross compares trials, but until you go head-to-head, it's really where you can proof is in the pudding.
Yes. Great. So you've highlighted this is a $10 billion-plus asset. Any chance you might be willing to offer sort of a time line to that number.
It's hard to speculate. I think we're still in the early phases of the IBD launch. I think we need a little bit more time to really reassure the timing of that. But I will say just knowing the unmet medical need in this disease, still in this disease, the need for complete and histological remissions is very important. And that bar is raised and we're raising that bar each and every day. And we have a pipeline of assets that come on after that as well. So I'd say it's definitely within reach before 2030, but give us some time.
Okay. Got it. Speaking of pipeline, you filed icotrokinra with the FDA in the third quarter as the first targeted oral peptide to selectively block the IL-23 receptor with similar efficacy to a biologic. So this is a once-a-day pill, potential to set new standard of treatment in plaque psoriasis. Maybe can you just talk about the market expansion opportunity with icotrokinra.
Absolutely. Yes. We are incredibly excited about icotrokinra. If we think about the profile of this product, based on the data, whether it be head-to-head against deucravacitinib or against placebo and some even hard-to-treat populations, we've shown remarkable efficacy. You mentioned biologic like, but really complete clearance is what you're looking for, and we're seeing equally the amount of complete clearance with this drug. And it's from a profile of safety, which is very important in this patient population, similar to placebo from an AE rate. So I think if you think about safety and efficacy, it's there, and then the convenience of a once a day oral pill.
We still see in this marketplace, basically, there's around 5 million patients that are eligible to receive advanced biologics that are not receiving advanced biologics. Some of it is safety. Safety is still a big concern. They don't want something in their body or they just may not feel comfortable with it. The other is needophobia or just for other reasons. And if you think about really the treatment journey for a patient, sometimes when they present with plaque psoriasis or moderate to severe, they might want to start with a topical. It depends on how many plaque psoriasis they have on their skin or how much lesions that they have, and then maybe go to an oral. Sometimes they go to do a methotrexate, conventional and then maybe some of these other orals that are in the marketplace. And then they think about the biologics.
So icotrokinra is uniquely positioned in that to be the first-line systemic treatment based on the profile I acknowledged and highlighted. So I do think we have an opportunity to really not just expand the market, but penetrate the current marketplace of what's being used because there's a lack of satisfaction and there's absolutely a need from a patient convenience.
How do you think about like kind of market segmentation and development over time between the orals and the injectables? How big can orals get as a percentage of this market over time?
Yes. It really depends. I think that's where we're going to be able to really test it with icotrokinra because of the profile of the product. Unfortunately, the current orals don't satisfy the needs of the marketplace. And you see that based on share uptake and those that will be able to tolerate and go on long-term treatment. So that population, I talked about the $5 billion, you have also the population as you think about into the topicals. These are moderate-to-severe plaque psoriasis. It's still the same indication, but they're on topicals. Why are they on topicals? We need to understand that. So I do think there's opportunities to penetrate earlier. And then those that are not satisfied in the biologics, they just want the convenience, they see the safety and efficacy of this product and are ready to willing and switch.
Yes. Excellent. Okay. Can you just remind us the catalyst path or the time line on icotrokinra.
We're currently under FDA review right now for plaque psoriasis.
Yes. Got it. Excellent. So oncology, let's talk about DARZALEX. There's been some debate on IRS price negotiation inclusion. Maybe talk a little bit about J&J's position regarding when it could be potentially up for negotiation.
So DARZALEX FASPRO, we still remain committed based on the interpretation of the draft guidance for CMS of 2034. We truly believe DARZALEX FASPRO is clinically different than DARZALEX IV, and we feel very confident in that number.
Yes. Got it. No, Tom. No -- nothing soon. Great. So DARZALEX has done really well, obviously, 21% growth in the second quarter. It's clearly a foundational treatment for multiple myeloma. What are the growth expectations in '25 and beyond?
Yes, I can tell you, I've been in this space. I had the opportunity to launch some of the previous, I would say, standard of care in multiple myeloma in my previous company and then coming over to Johnson & Johnson, a little -- less than 8 years ago, I've not seen a drug like this in any other marketplace. I mean, DARZALEX FASPRO is truly unique. It is foundational therapy when we say that, combinable with most of our products.
Every patient population, we're seeing survival rates where in multiple myeloma, it used to be 2 to 3 years survival overall. With DARZALEX whether in combination with a quad-based regimen or a triplet-based regimen like Revlimid-dexamethasone, we're seeing survival rates close to 8 years. And PFS rates in the decades. I mean, this is truly remarkable. I mean you're really talking about chronic care here. And DARZALEX is the backbone treatment across all lines of therapy, even with new products coming in, our own products, TECVAYLI, how they were combining with DARZALEX.
So you'll see significant opportunities still to grow in the earlier lines of treatment, but half the patients are going on DARZALEX-based therapies in any line. So there's opportunities to grow as you could bring it in earlier. We just recently in Europe, got approval for CEPHEUS, which is in the transplant-ineligible population, and we're anxiously awaiting that also in the U.S. So there's opportunities to move earlier.
The other area for growth with DARZALEX is duration as you think about this, whether it be in combinations or just continuing through a maintenance phase. Highly convenient, it gets to a monthly based dosing, quick injection, 5 minute -- less than 5-minute injection for the health care provider, subcutaneous. So we see tremendous opportunity and truly, it is -- has revolutionized the treatment of multiple myeloma.
Amazing. Okay. So hitting CARVYKTI, new 5-year data shows a single treatment of CAR-T therapy has the potential to deliver long-term remission. You have firm conviction, I think, in CARVYKTI as a $5 billion plus asset and the commercial ramp is moving along really nicely. What do you see as key to kind of keeping that current momentum for CARVYKTI?
Yes. So every year, they have a Congress. It used to be called the Myeloma Workshop, now it's called IMS, International Myeloma Society. I bring that up because it was just last week. So this is relatively new. In that, this is basically a Congress of world experts in multiple myeloma. They've been doing this for 20 years plus. They come together and they look at consensus, but the topic of this one was definition of cure. And they went down the list of what -- how to define cure and really what it comes down to is time. 5 years relapse-free. So in remission for over 5 years. I bring that up because we just recently released data with CARVYKTI in the CARTITUDE-1 trial. So this was line -- 5 lines of prior therapy, so very heavily refractory patient population. 1/3 of those patients are 5 years out remission-free.
So based on that definition that was coming out from the IMS, they would call that cure. So that, to me, is really the goal of any oncology agent. So if you take that, that was in previous treated 5 lines of previous treatment. We have approval previously with line 1 and beyond. So CARTITUDE-4 data, lines 1 through 4 lines of therapy showing the only cell therapy to demonstrate overall survival advantage versus the standard treatment with a onetime infusion.
So we do believe, as you think about CARTITUDE-4 or CARVYKTI to be able to move it up in earlier lines, the magnitude of benefit, not only for the patient, but if you think about the immune system being intact, the ability to really transfer lines is really going to be amazing. And we'll -- let's look at the long-term efficacy of that as that continues to play out just with time. But rest assured, we see ourselves having even greater impact in earlier lines. And we have ongoing trials in frontline as well. So we do believe CARVYKTI is well within reach of achieving greater than $5 billion peak year sales. it is truly the most efficacious treatment in multiple myeloma.
Amazing.
And you mentioned, I do give a lot of complements to our manufacturing supply chain. We were able to increase our supply, our scale, our consistency. So we're well within -- that would not be an impediment on any of our opportunities.
Then, it will be a manufacturing, not a gating item.
Not a gating item. We have over 8,000 patients infused with CARVYKTI in over 11 countries now. So that's the other expansion opportunity as we look outside of the U.S. and other markets.
What is the gating item at this point if it's not manufacturing?
It is the ability for sites to be able to step up. So that is part of the strategy. As you think about the community right now, it's been heavily concentrated in more academic centers, those that have infrastructure in place. So it's expanding beyond.
Yes. Can you just talk about the competitive environment there a little bit, maybe some stuff coming at some point? Do you feel like you got a good lead there?
Yes, we definitely feel we have a good lead there. I think as you said, like you really got to prove an improvement over the standard of care. So we are -- there's 2 that have registration trials, Phase III registration trials against comparator. There's another one that's being developed by another company that has a lot of time to go, I would say, before they can get into anywhere near the front line setting where we are at.
Okay. Great. All right. Let's talk about bladder cancer. You got FDA priority review for TAR-200, first of its kind drug releasing system. And INLEXZO just got FDA approval on September 9. So how is the kind of prep for launch early phase looking at this point?
Again, this is truly game changing, first of its class. This is the first time. So INLEXZO is, as you said, an intravesical drug release system. People refer to it as a pretzel. It looks like a pretzel. It's a simple procedure done in a urology practice. So this is another thing that's important about INLEXZO why we foresee INLEXZO to be a $5 billion-plus peak year sales asset. It's a product that then locally administers gemcitabine in the bladder. It's inserted within a 5-minute simple procedure through a catheter, and that's a [indiscernible] catheter, nonetheless. And it can be done by a nurse, an APP or advanced practice provider, or physician and then simply removal in the same period of time.
I bring this up because of the simplicity of the procedure to be able to deliver that localized delivery also. The data that we've seen in non-muscle invasive, high-risk, BCG-exposed carcinoma in situ bladder case. It's more of a narrow indication first. It's truly remarkable. 82% complete remission, where over 50% of them were out for more than 12 months. So it's truly durable complete remission. That's really the game here for bladder cancer.
The other alternative to these patients is the removal of the bladder. This is bladder preservation. So this was the first indication. We have ongoing trials. We have a robust development plan, looking at papillary disease, a much larger patient population. And they were going head to head against the standard of care. There hasn't been much innovation in bladder cancer, and that's BCG. So those that have been on BCG, what we hear from the patients is it's really a tough treatment to have. Sometimes they refer to it as a tiger clawing at the bladder. It's fluid that's injected into the bladder, and it needs to be held there for about 4 hours. So you can imagine your bladder really wants to get rid of that fluid.
So highly complex, and it's something that we believe we want to displace and really maximize the potential for patients. There's roughly 1 million patients. It's the eighth largest tumor in 1 million patients suffering from bladder cancer, unfortunately, 600 of them are newly diagnosed, 400 reoccurring. So we see this to be a tremendous opportunity potential.
And then we talk about the technology and this drug releasing system. We also have TAR-210. The TAR-210 is erdafitinib in this device, our drug-releasing system. And it's important because it's targeting FGFR mutations. And there's a high prevalence of FGFR mutation in intermediate-risk bladder cancer. So we're in high risk for TAR-200 or INLEXZO. We have the ability to have a portfolio of products. So we really are excited about what we can do in bladder cancer, significant unmet medical need, and we're bringing transformational medical innovation.
That's great. On the last earnings call, when you're talking about the Street's disconnect with your $50 billion oncology target, I think this is the one that came up first. You talked about it, I think it's a $5 billion plus, but maybe it's bigger than that.
Yes. Yes, you can model it. We're excited about it. I would say we're really excited about it. And you mentioned our ability, like we had the product available within 4 days. They're working through the systems. It's a buy-and-bill product. So people, temporary J-codes, who were able to work through the process with our providers. But there's tremendous excitement. There's a race to see who's going to be the first one to insert. We have people on the ground training on how to do the insertion, whether it's in practice, in office alongside of them.
So this is some of the stuff where we see a little bit of the synergy and learning from our MedTech colleagues. This is something new for us from a pharma or innovative medicine that we're able to get the training, the catheter and things from our MedTech. So there was a bit of synergy there, and we're centrally capitalizing on the expertise from our MedTech colleagues.
That's great. Excellent. Okay. So moving on to RYBREVANT LAZCLUZE. So consensus estimates for '27-'28, a little bit over $2 billion. You've just suggested, I think, that it could be $4 billion by 2028. We're just getting started, just $180 million or so in Q2. So it was a steep ramp there to get to that $4 billion. Can you just talk a little bit about the path to get there over the next few years?
Yes. I would say, unfortunately, as many of you would know, lung cancer, the 5-year survival rate is still less than 30%. So the ultimate goal is survival. And with RYBREVANT LAZCLUZE, we do believe we're bringing a game-changing therapy, what will become the new standard of care in frontline EGFR non-small cell lung cancer. And I'll tell you why. One, it's a chemo-free regimen. Two, its targeting multiple targets. Not just EGFR, it's EGFR, cMET, and it harnesses the immune system.
I bring that up, and that's important because it's changing the underlying biology of the disease. We just recently released data where the data because of this suppression of resistant mechanisms. As you think about resistant mechanisms, it's what needs to relapse and further relapse and resistance and ultimately death unfortunately. So the ability to be able to suppress that is very important as we think about it.
And if you think about the Kaplan-Meier curve, so we have demonstrated at least a 12-month advantage over OC for overall survival. We haven't hit median. You're starting to see a little bit of a plateau of the curve. If you just use correlations to other lung cancer agents such as the checkpoint inhibitors, you saw that there. We saw it in the earlier indications with exon 20. So a tough -- difficult-to-treat disease population of EGFR, but you're actually seeing that as well. So we have significant promise. We do believe it's going to become the standard of care. And that's just in lung cancer.
So we do believe RYBREVANT itself, we've seen already have preliminary data, both in head and neck cancer, significant unmet medical need as well as colorectal cancer. So we see tremendous opportunities for RYBREVANT overall. But RYBREVANT LAZCLUZE becoming the standard of care in lung cancer.
That's great. So AstraZeneca is marketing TAGRISSO plus chemotherapy as a way to raise the bar versus competition. I hear some investors who worry that they may be winning the narrative battle in some places. How do you respond to that competitive threat?
Yes. They just recently released data. I think we need to wait to see our longer-term data of overall survival because I do -- survival is really what it is. And I will say one of the other things that I think will be a catalyst for us. We have approval ex U.S., but RYBREVANT subcutaneous formulation. So we do recognize right now, they are accustomed. They're used to treating with OC and sometimes adding in chemo. And we have a lot of education that we had to do with RYBREVANT LAZCLUZE, and we're doing just that. We've had protocols in place to manage the AEs, they cause cocoon. We want to make sure that they're able to manage the rash and skin toxicity, the potential for that as well as IRRs, infusion-related reactions.
Now with subcu, those are doses are significantly reduced. And what you'll also see is a convenience of a 5-minute injection just like DARZALEX. So you have that ability, much easier and simple for the provider. And then what we also saw that was uniquely different with RYBREVANT FASPRO, or I would say, the subcutaneous formulation versus IV improvement in duration of response and efficacy. So we do believe it to be a game changer. We're doing a clinical trial now with that treatment regimen in the frontline setting. We look forward to that to help differentiate the product.
Excellent. Okay. I missed an audience question about immunology. How long is the induction period for your competitors in IBD?
It's 2 to 3 inductions, depending on the competitor.
Excellent. And we've got one more on what are your strategies for in-sourcing versus outsourcing clinical trials to adapt to the changing landscape?
We absolutely continue to look at ways that we should find efficiency in the model. I think that is one of the areas from an R&D perspective, we have a lot of focus. There are definitely times when you want to make sure it's in-sourced, but you definitely want to have a hybrid model for flexibility and scale.
Got it. Okay. Let's hit a couple of neuroscience things. SPRAVATO grew 53% last quarter, strong momentum. Maybe you could talk a little bit about its role in treatment-resistance depression and what's that opportunity look like?
Yes. The profile of SPRAVATO is truly unique. And it is absolutely a first in its class agent. And if you talk to any patients, it absolutely is a lifesaver, game changer. Many of them, their lives have been turned around because they've been on SPRAVATO. The efficacy can work within 24 hours of administration and the resolution of AEs in the same period with strong durability. Like once they're on it, they can see years of durability as long as they're taking the product.
I would say if you think about it, and that was one area I think there was a disconnect also with the Street and rightly so, I would say, somewhat because when we launched SPRAVATO, this was not a simple administration, and we launched it during the time of COVID, so in-office procedures, not necessarily available to a provider base, which as psychiatries that are not typically accustomed to treating patients physically. Like this is where they need to sit there and administer the product and observe for over 2 hours.
So from an infrastructure perspective, they didn't have -- if you think about some of the psychs, they have one office, that's where they see their patients. They don't have observation rooms. So they had to make sure they could be able to operationalize this. We've gotten that right. We've helped them out. We've worked a long the ways, and we have treatment centers all over the U.S. So site of care being able to get to these places is readily available. And that's where you've seen our growth really accelerate. They absolutely believe in the product for what I just said. It's truly differentiated. It's unique. It's both for monotherapy and adjunctive. We just recently got monotherapy approval, so highly flexible in how they want to administer it, but we really see that to continue with growth momentum.
Great. Great. And CAPLYTA is -- you've got a couple of indications there, schizophrenia, bipolar depression, maybe another indication coming later this year. What are the expectations there with CAPLYTA?
Yes. Yes. I would tell you for CAPLYTA, especially in the pending aMDD launch. Right now, it's currently approved for bipolar 1 and 2 as well as schizophrenia and growing quite nicely. I will tell you, we are anxiously awaiting. It's under FDA review right now, the adjunctive major depressive disorder indication. If you just think about the data right now, the effect size versus what you see in the marketplace is 2x from an efficacy standpoint. We've never seen anything like this in depression.
And when you think about some of the traditional antipsychotics, right now, if you think about the marketplace, 21 million patients unfortunately suffering from depression. The penetration of the branded market is only about 10%. So about 90% are cycling through the generics. Some of it for convenience, some for what they were used to and the providers are used to using it. But a lot of the challenges with some of these treatments, even the branded ones are the side effects. There's the efficacy component, but we feel we've got that covered.
So from a side effect perspective, one of the most side effects that they see is weight gain and what patients don't want to get is weight gain. Sexual dysfunction is another one as well as movement disorder. So all 3 of these, if you think about it, if you look at CAPLYTA, it's the ideal product because really zero effect versus placebo in those 3 areas.
So you now have a simple once-a-day pill, no titration needed, so convenience. If you think about a primary care physician or advanced practitioner provider, they can simply administer the product and feel that they're going to get the [ Zaroxolyn ] and not get the weight gain that they might on some of the others.
So we do believe this is going to be a catalyst for growth for CAPLYTA. We do believe CAPLYTA is going to be another $5 billion-plus asset. We're quite excited to have it in our portfolio and the entire Intra-Cellular organization. So that's another one that we foresee to be a significant growth opportunity and really would transform patients with major depressive disorder.
Awesome. Great. that's another one where there might be a little bit of a Street disconnect, I think.
I think there's a little bit.
Yes. $5 billion in that window maybe before 2030.
Let's see. We're excited about that. And we are ready. I would tell you this organization is ready to go.
Yes. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Let's talk about pharma R&D. Pharma companies continue to spend more and more money on R&D. At the same time, you've got price pressure, regulatory scrutiny putting pressure on returns on investment. How do you think about returns on R&D investment in the pharma business? And do you expect the ROI to increase, decrease, stay the same next 5 or 10 years?
I think at Johnson & Johnson, we always disproportionately invest in R&D and then we do in sales and marketing. We do believe our strategy is built on 3 pillars, 3 therapeutic areas, oncology, immunology and neuroscience and some select area, disease area strongholds that we like to say. I bring that up because that allows us to really have end-to-end expertise from discovery, all the way through commercialization, customer intimacy and understanding of the business and all the way through that value chain.
I bring that because we also then can leverage AI to understand the science and look for efficiencies. I do believe AI, machine learning are really going to help us drive better efficiency and better returns. So I foresee us continue to double down there. As we talked about some of the challenges, maybe macro challenges, the best way to weather those storms is to innovate.
Okay. Excellent. Maybe quickly on the M&A front. Obviously, you just closed Intra-Cellular, a bigger deal, almost $15 billion deal. Can you talk about the M&A strategy in pharma or just any areas of interest or priorities in terms of deal size?
I would say, since we have declared the 3 major therapeutic areas, we're always going to be looking within those, whether adjacencies and disease areas within those 3 therapeutic areas, but be opportunistic. We're going to follow the science. We have, I would like to call them drug hunters in the organization that understand the science and following the science and then we're going to be opportunistic.
We typically -- our sweet spot is some of these tuck-ins, some of the early deals, some maybe pre-proof of concept or right around that area, where we can then develop a product and really take it to a full-fledged development. I mean DARZALEX FASPRO or DARZALEX is a great example of that, but we're able to do that. We saw a little signal, took that and did a robust development plan and demonstrated our success, and you see that with DARZALEX right now.
Excellent. Let's talk about modalities, new modalities briefly. You mentioned it. Do you think you have the necessary tools in the toolkit for those new modalities, cell therapy, mRNA, gene editing, gene silencing, all those? Where you have gaps, are you looking to fill those gaps via licensing deals or build those in-house capabilities? Like how do you think about the plan for modalities?
Yes. We don't look at a modality approaches. We look more at the disease areas or strategy approaches. And if we see the disease and an innovation, we'll find that modality and be able to make that modality work. I will say, if you think about it, we were the first products -- or first organization to have a biologic REMICADE and we've mastered that, I believe. We've already got bispecifics. And now I'd love to talk to you about our trispecifics that we're putting in the clinic, already have in the clinic. So if we think about modalities, we have expertise there.
Cell therapy is another one. With CARVYKTI, now we have a Bi-CAR that we brought in. We've learned as we go. And then we also have ADCs and radioligand and things like that. So if the data is there and the technology, we'll find a way to bring it to the marketplace.
Okay. Great. All right. I'm a MedTech analyst, and I just went 38 minutes without talking about MedTech, even when you brought out TAR-200.
I tried to give you a little bit.
Maybe to that point, though, on TAR-200, obviously, you're showing the benefits of having pharma and MedTech under one roof. Should we expect more of that in other disease areas?
Yes. I would say we are already doing that organically. We like to say let's become #1 in our categories and then look for synergy. And I think that's what we're focused on doing. But I would tell you, naturally, as you think about one of the areas we have a partnered product for thrombosis, atrial fibrillation, for example, we have a significant presence there with MedTech. We're definitely leaning on them. We have XARELTO in the U.S. as well. So we're looking at areas and we can look at patients, data science, analytics, understanding customer intimacy. So we're absolutely doing it organically.
Yes. Excellent. Excellent. It's been a bunch of PRs just in the last few weeks. It's hard to keep up with all the things that you guys are up to. Anything we missed here, pipeline opportunities, or is there any sort of final comments you want to highlight?
Yes. Real quickly on the pipeline. I mentioned it. I think if we think about our end-to-end expertise in multiple myeloma, we learned a lot as the introduction of our bispecifics, TECVAYLI and TALVEY. We now have a trispecific that we have engineered. Kudos to our scientists who are able to engineer this to really look at reducing some of the AEs associated with these bispecifics to make it a more community-friendly therapy. We're able to space the dosing, have incredible efficacy, and you see that already in the preliminary results and it could really transform the treatment of multiple myeloma. We talked about milvexian.
I'll just end and say, at the end of the day, we believe we're in another era of growth where exciting opportunities are ahead of us. We feel more than confident we're going to be able to deliver the 5% to 7% compound annual growth rate, even in the upper limit due to this transformational medical innovation that we're bringing, and we're excited to be there.
Awesome. Awesome. Thanks so much for being here.
Thank you, Lee.
Really appreciate it. Thank you.
All right.
Thanks, everybody.
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Johnson & Johnson — Bernstein 2nd Annual Global Healthcare Conference
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kern: Johnson & Johnson Innovative Medicine sieht STELARA‑LOE als bewältigt und setzt auf Launch‑Momentum (TREMFYA, RYBREVANT+LAZCLUZE, CARVYKTI, INLEXZO, CAPLYTA, icotrokinra) plus eine $55 Mrd. US‑Fertigungsoffensive. Management bestätigt 5–7% CAGR‑Ziel und signalisiert erhöhte Zuversicht statt Kostenfokus.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Portfolio: Betonung auf Breite/Tiefe: Immunologie, Onkologie, Neurowissenschaften als Kernfelder; Wachstum durch mehrere potenzielle Blockbuster.
- Launch‑Taktik: TREMFYA mit subkutaner Induktion in IBD als Treiber; Head‑to‑head gegen Skyrizi angekündigt, um Differenzierung klinisch zu belegen.
- Integration: Intra‑Cellular akquiriert; Synergien Pharma–MedTech (INLEXZO/TAR‑200) sollen Markteintritt und Training beschleunigen.
🆕 Neue Informationen
- Aktuell: Bestätigte Meilensteine aus dem Gespräch: FDA‑Zulassung INLEXZO (9. Sept.), TAR‑200 Priority Review, icotrokinra unter FDA‑Review (Q3‑Einreichung), CAPLYTA‑Akquisition abgeschlossen; Management hebt Vertrauen in Guidance hervor, aber keine detailreiche neue Umsatz‑Guidance genannt.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Policy: MFN/IRA/PBM/340B wurden intensiv thematisiert; Management sieht Dialog mit Behörden, nennt aber anhaltende Unsicherheiten als Risiko.
- STELARA: Erosionskurve entspricht Erwartungen (ähnlich Humira Year‑2); zentrale Frage, wie schnell TREMFYA die Lücke schließt.
- Commercial: CARVYKTI‑Skalierung ist jetzt Site‑kapazität, nicht Produktion; Konkurrenz in EGFR‑Lunge (Tagrisso) und narrativ‑Kämpfe wurden angesprochen.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Der Fireside‑Chat unterstreicht J&Js Strategie: mehrere kurz‑ bis mittelfristige Launch‑Kandidaten sollen STELARA‑Verluste überkompensieren. Hauptrisiken bleiben regulatorische/payer‑Entscheidungen und Ausweitung der Behandlungsinfrastruktur; Anleger bekommen klare Produkt‑Katalysatoren, aber Execution bleibt entscheidend.
Johnson & Johnson — Morgan Stanley 23rd Annual Global Healthcare Conference
1. Question Answer
Great. Thanks for joining us, everybody. I'm Terence Flynn, Morgan Stanley's U.S. biopharma analyst. I'm very pleased to be hosting Johnson & Johnson this afternoon.
Joining us from the company, we have Joaquin Duato, the company's Chairman and CEO; and John Reed, Executive Vice President, Head of Pharma R&D. Thank you both so much for being here.
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Thank you both again so much for being here. Really appreciate it. A lot to talk about. We're catching up beforehand. And obviously, industry is front and center, again, for a number of reasons, a lot of innovation going on at J&J. And then there's also a lot on the policy side that I know investors are highly focused on here. I know a lot of companies, and I'm assuming you guys as well have been spending time in Washington, D.C.
So maybe Joaquin to start, you could just give us your overview on kind of where we stand in the policy access right now because I know there are a lot of cross currents, both on tariffs, MFN. J&J has announced a lot of investments in the U.S. in terms of manufacturing, but maybe you could just help us think through some of these cross currents. And then how are you navigating this as a company?
Yes. Yes. Thank you, Terence, and good morning, everyone. And let me just mention that yesterday, we had the approval of a new product in INLEXZO, which is unique in as such that it uses our medical technology and pharmaceutical capabilities to develop a novel therapy for localized bladder cancer, which is an area of unmet medical need. And we have described that as a major breakthrough. As a matter of fact, it has 2 breakthrough designations by the U.S. FDA. It got priority review, and we think it's going to be more than $5 billion platform. And this is an area that we have some disconnect with the Street, although I read a report yesterday of one of your colleagues calling $8 billion potential, Terence. So...
No pressure, no pressure.
No pressure. No pressure. I'm quoting one of your colleagues. So -- and we come up from a very strong second quarter from Johnson & Johnson in which we have demonstrated that we are able to deliver significant growth, exceeding expectations, both in top line and in EPS, even though we are having the biosimilar entry to STELARA. So a nice trajectory of Johnson & Johnson in this first half of the year.
So the environment overall, I have to say that we have 140 years of history, and we have dealt with 24 different administrations. Me, myself personally, I have dealt with the Obama administration, with the Trump administration before, with the Biden administration. So we are used to manage volatility perhaps more than other companies. When it comes to the current situation, I have to say that with this administration and like with the previous one, we do have an open door policy, and we connect with different government agencies, the White House, and we are able to express our opinion about how things should look like.
So on the positive, we do have an open door policy, and we can connect with the right stakeholders in order to make our point of view seen. Do we have differences? Yes, we have differences. Is there a common ground for us to find solutions? I believe there's common ground to find solutions. What areas there's common ground to find solutions, for example, in manufacturing in the U.S. We have announced a $55 billion investment program in the next 5 years, which essentially it's going to make it so that all of our advanced medicines are manufactured in the U.S. that are used in the U.S. at the completion of that program.
Are there opportunities to be able to improve patient affordability in the U.S.? Absolutely. And the administration has some good ideas like the direct-to-patient website, which was in the letter that we received that I think it would be good because it would bring some transparency to the pricing. It would actually focus on the real problem, which are the PBMs and the intermediaries. And I think there are good ideas there to improve affordability in the U.S.
Are there opportunities to improve let's say, what the administration calls the European free riding on our prices? Absolutely, there are opportunities to do that. So I think there's elements of common ground, and I'm optimistic about finding the common ground that will continue to make the U.S. and I think that's a goal that both the administration and ourselves share the #1 country in terms of pharmaceutical life science innovation. I mean every time I talk to the administration, they go out of the way to tell me, "Joaquin, what we want to do is something that would detract from the U.S. being the #1 country, the global, let's say, country for pharmaceutical life science innovation". Yes.
Can you speculate on are we getting closer to resolution? Because I think when I look at the whole sector, it's obviously been an overhang as investors think about investing in the space. And so do you think we're getting nearer to resolution? You mentioned a lot of areas of common ground. It seems like a lot of these areas make sense. And so are we getting closer to a point where you can kind of reach agreement on some of these and we can all move forward?
Yes. It's very difficult to speculate in that regard, Terence, because things change a lot. I cannot put a time line into that. I tell you that there's enough common ground and enough areas of common solutions that I think will get us to the right place. But I cannot put a time line into that, and I don't want to go into the specifics neither because this is an ongoing discussion. But I see the common ground and I see the possibility of getting into a win-win solution.
Yes. Okay. All right. Good to hear. One other high-level point I want to talk through is on the second quarter call, I think you guys mentioned that the pipeline progress you've seen through the year, and now you just mentioned TAR-200 as well, increases your conviction to achieve or beat the upper end of the growth targets that you guys outlined back in end of 2023 from your EBR Day.
So maybe you could just talk about high level on the drivers of that -- that gave you that conviction to provide that commentary to investors. And then I'm sure we're going to dig into a lot of these in more detail here, but maybe just start very high level and kind of what gave you the confidence there to make that statement?
Yes. High level, in the Innovative Medicine side, we have 3 focus areas: oncology, immunology and neuroscience. So if I start with oncology, and we have stated that we want to become the #1 oncology company by 2030 with $50 billion of sales. We play both in solid tumors and hematology.
So starting with hematology, our multiple myeloma franchise is doing really well. DARZALEX is the biggest product in the company today, and it had very significant growth. CARVYKTI show exceeding expectations. We are unrestricted now from a manufacturing standpoint. We have already demonstrated overall survival in second line. Going into our bispecifics, we continue to grow our bispecific penetration. We are aiming to go into the community with our bispecifics. So all well in the multiple myeloma side.
On the solid tumor side, we continue to grow with our prostate cancer franchise with ERLEADA. We are launching our combination in non-small cell lung cancer EGFR mutated with RYBREVANT and LAZCLUZE, which is doing really well. And our surveys that we do every month indicate very high intention to prescribe in first line, and we can comment about that later. And now we are going to increase our penetration in solid tumors with LAZCLUZE, which is this therapy that releases with a device, a chemotherapeutic localized into the bladder. So that's in the oncology side. And I'm sure John can tell you more about what opportunities we have, and he'll go that in a moment.
On the immunology side, our #1 focus is TREMFYA and the launch in IBD, and we are doing really well, both in ulcerative colitis and in Crohn's disease, and you see the trajectory of TREMFYA. And very importantly, we have filed icotrokinra, which is the first oral that has the ability to block IL-23 and has the efficacy, the safety of a biologic, but with convenience of an oral therapy. And that's going to be a major, major driver of our growth. And we continue to make progress in other areas that John will describe.
And then in the neuroscience side, we're doing really well with SPRAVATO. Everybody is trying to copy our model. I think so many things about other companies working in that area. And we are about to get the approval of CAPLYTA, which is the antipsychotic that we acquired through the Intra-Cellular acquisition in adjunctive therapy in major depressive disorder that we think is going to be a significant opportunity for growth for CAPLYTA, and it's going to drive also CAPLYTA to be an asset of more than $5 billion. So those are the assets that we have today.
And I'm going to let John talk about the pipeline.
Yes. So some of the things that are a little earlier, but if I start again with hematologic malignancies where J&J ranks #1, myeloma, as you know, our company has put 5 innovative medicines on the market for myeloma. And it's interesting to look back when we launched VELCADE, the world's first proteasome inhibitors, the average life expectancy for a patient with myeloma was only 2 years. With our latest 4-drug regimen that includes DARZALEX and VELCADE, the estimated progression-free survival now for the transplant eligible is 2 decades almost, 17, 18 years and for the transplant in a decade.
We're really excited about moving some of these medicines in combination regimens into earlier lines. And recently, we showed, for example, if we took DARZALEX, the CD38, world's first biologic for myeloma, together with either of our T cell engagers, first-in-class T cell engagers that grab the myeloma with one arm and the T cells with another, we were getting 100% minimal residual disease negativity in early lines. Now we have a trispecific ramantamig that has the features of both tec and tau engineered into a single molecule. And there, we saw 100% overall response rate in heavily pretreated patients. So we're going to be moving into earlier lines of therapies with some of these combinations that we think can actually position us for the goal that nobody ever thought would be achievable, which is really cure in myeloma. So very excited about that.
Other things cooking in hematology. And since I saw one of our partners here, I just mentioned, we also have in the CAR-T world, a Bi-CAR that targets both CD19 and CD20 in a single construct in which is delivering what looks like a best-in-disease opportunity with the best complete response rates that have been reported so far, and we're going to push that now forward into Phase III. So a lot of stuff cooking there.
And then in the solid tumor space, Joaquin referenced RYBREVANT, which is the world's first bispecific antibody ever approved for a solid tumor indication, neutralizing 2 different growth factors approved for non-small cell lung cancer, but we have proof-of-concept in colorectal, the third largest cancer indication, also in head and neck, the sixth largest cancer indication. And those are now progressing in the Phase III programs. So we think there's a lot of mileage still with that really innovative bispecific antibody. So very excited about what's cooking there and then other things too that we can get into.
Joaquin mentioned in immunology, icotrokinra, we'll be showing the inflammatory bowel disease data soon, where we have proof of concept there, moving into a Phase III program. We've already filed for psoriasis. We're pursuing psoriatic arthritis as well and really excited about that. And to get an indication of how much demand there could be for an oral drug that has the efficacy and safety of the biologics, our psoriasis studies, we enrolled those in 1/3 the time it normally takes to the study, and we're seeing the same thing happening with our psoriatic arthritis now. So it's -- it really indicates there's a lot of interest on the part of patients and investigators for that. We have an oral IL-17 in the clinic now, too, that's progressing nicely.
And then some really nifty bispecifics as we try to enter atopic dermatitis, which is the largest of the immunoderm indications. We're in Phase II with an IL-4 plus IL-31. Those are 2 validated targets bringing together to try to break through efficacy ceilings of the monotherapies. And then also a TSLP plus IL-13. So that brings a mechanism that TEZSPIRE-like mechanism and an [indiscernible] like mechanism that have played in both asthma and atopic dermatitis and what we think, again, could be a real game changer that breaks through the efficacy ceilings that have been seen with those. So really excited about those.
And then in neuro, I would say we don't yet know what the outcome will be, but we will have data this year, Phase II data on our anti-tau antibody for Alzheimer's posdinemab that will have both clinical cognitive performance endpoints as well as imaging endpoints with PET imaging of the tau spread. So a big unveil coming later this year around that, which could be a real moment for patients with Alzheimer's if we're able to move the needle there.
So flagging that one.
Yes. Super exciting.
So I mean when you look at that and you look at how we are doing post STELARA biosimilars, our view, as we discussed in the EBR is that '26 is going to be better than '25 and '27 is going to be better than '26. So we are now -- as we leap behind the STELARA biosimilars better than anybody expected, we are entering into a cycle of revitalized growth for our Innovative Medicine group.
Okay. Great. I've got a few follow-ups on some of these. But I guess the first, just given how important myeloma is as a franchise, as you noted, you guys have been there as a company for a very long time going all the way back to VELCADE and now DARZALEX. I think one of the big picture questions we're all still trying to figure out is how does that frontline market evolve? Because obviously, you have so many different options now. You have the bispecifics, but you have a trispecific coming, you have CARVYKTI. And so is this something that becomes more segmented? Or is this something that there becomes a new backbone effectively that either on top of DARZALEX or supplants DARZALEX? Just use the crystal ball. Help us think about how this evolves as you think about myeloma in the next 5 years.
Yes. We think the regimens will evolve. We see the CD38, DARZALEX will be a piece of that, a T cell engager starting with our bispecifics, but evolving to the trispecific. So far, we have been maintaining an image somewhere in the mix in that frontline setting. So we think that the future regimens will look more like that. So you probably won't necessarily need a proteasome inhibitor or the glucocorticoid.
And then instead of bridging to an autologous stem cell transplant, if you do something beyond that, you're probably going to do CARVYKTI or CAR-T. And of course, we have studies ongoing now to test that right now, CARTITUDE-5 and with the idea that, that could be the final step to mop up any residual cells and really see then if you can't get to something approaching a functional cure for these patients. Yes.
And do you feel like the other thing is DARZALEX is great from a safety tolerability standpoint. Do you think these new regimens will be able to match that? Because I think there's some question -- obviously, 80% of myeloma is treated amongst the community oncologists. Do you think these new regimens are going to be -- have that profile that allows the community physicians to adopt them broadly?
I think we will get there. If you look back even on DARZALEX at its time, it was considered something that was -- required some experience to master how to handle. But the T cell engagers are really the element of that, that the community is learning more and more how to manage that. We often are doing dose titrations, covering with IL-6 inhibitors, toci, other things to make it more manageable and tolerable for the vast majority of patients. So -- but we see the community going on that journey with us and finding how to safely and effectively use these regimens in the outpatient setting. So it will be a learning curve for the whole community, but we think just the efficacy will compel health care providers to figure out how to master using this type of agent.
Okay. Great. I want to go to immunology. But before I do that, I just ask another broader one here for Joaquin is I think when you started in the CEO position, you mentioned that one of your priorities was going to be the MedTech portfolio, and you guys have been very active on that front, both internal innovation, external innovation. So maybe just as you think about where you are in that journey, give us kind of an update on the outlook there and what you're focused on for the MedTech segment.
And then the derivative question is just business development. You guys are always very opportunistic about whether it's MedTech or pharma. And so where are you focused these days in terms of the -- from the BD lens?
Yes. So when I became CEO in 2022, I said that we want to have the best MedTech company in the industry, and that's a stated goal. Johnson & Johnson is unique in as much that we are the only company that has the capabilities to develop a medicine or a treatment like INLEXZO. So we are the only ones that can go to -- from cell therapy to robotic surgery. No other company can expand the patient journey like Johnson & Johnson does.
So it's very important for us that component of medical technology at Johnson & Johnson. And it gives us not only capabilities but also insights into the disease, the patient, the treatments that are very helpful for us to expand our impact in the areas that we are focused.
So our goal in MedTech has been moving our portfolio into high innovation, high-growth markets. That's the areas where Johnson & Johnson does well. We have to go to areas where there's a significant innovation and the possibility to improve the standard of care and that creates growth and business opportunity for us.
So we've moved the majority of our portfolio now into high-growth markets. And that's how you have to read the efforts that we have done in business development, which for the most part, have been in the cardiology area. Cardiology is one together with robotic surgery, one of the most exciting markets in MedTech, and that's where we have moved in an effort to move our portfolio into high-growth, high-innovation markets.
Our MedTech business has 4 pillars. And in all of them, we are #1 or #2 company. The biggest one is our surgical business. And we are leaders in open and endoscopic surgery and also in sutures, wound closure and in hemostats. We are working now in a robotic surgery platform that we call OTTAVA and we are now in clinical trials, and we plan to, as soon as we finish the clinical trials, submit to the FDA. We are fully determined to compete in that area. It may take us 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years, 5 years, we are fully determined to compete in that area and to become a leader in every aspect of surgery, open, laparoscopic and robotic.
The other area, it's orthopedics. We are the largest orthopedics company. The market of orthopedics would not be considered a fast-growing market, although it does have segments that is growing nicely. And our goal there has been be able to improve our margins. And we have a program that we have discussed in the past that is gradually getting us to have better margins in orthopedics. There's a number of innovations that are coming into our orthopedics platform. For example, we're launching a new [ UI ] robot. We are launching a new plating system called VOLT in the trauma space. We are launching a new spine robot and a new system called TriALTIS in spine. So we have a number of innovative products that are coming in orthopedics altogether as we speak, and that is going to help us accelerating our growth via innovation.
The third platform is cardiovascular. Our growth in cardiovascular in the second quarter was 22%, and we have one of the largest and most interesting cardiovascular platform in the industry. We are in atrial fibrillation in ablation. We are in heart failure with Abiomed, and we are in calcified arterial disease with Shockwave.
Our acquisitions of Shockwave and Abiomed are tracking even ahead of our expectations. And we see nice trajectory, and we can go more into that, great innovation with new catheters coming of Shockwave, great clinical data also coming from Abiomed with DanGER study. We just presented some update of the DanGER study in the European Society of Cardiology showing that patients that went through cardiogenic shock and using Impella in a 10-year follow-up, they were able to leave 600 days more. So that's taking us higher in the guidelines. So we have a very robust cardiovascular franchise, and we also demonstrated growth in our atrial fibrillation franchise with 10% growth.
So for investors that thought we were rolling over, we are not. We are going to compete there. We have a series of catheters coming in, and we have the largest and more extensive clinical support specialists in the industry, and we are going to maintain our leadership there and regain leadership in PFA. So that's our cardiovascular franchise.
Vision, which we play both in contact lenses and intraocular lenses. We are leaders in contact lenses. It's a high-growth, high-margin area. And we are having a very successful launch of our intraocular lenses, gaining market share versus our competitors there.
So those are the 4 platforms that form our MedTech business. Our projections in MedTech is that we are going to be able to grow 5% to 7%. And as I see things today, I'm more biased towards the higher end of that range than towards the low end of that range. So we are going to advance. We have significant opportunities in cardiovascular, and we are very focused on establishing a strong presence in robotic surgery as another important step in making our MedTech group a best-in-class group. And I'm very, very, very convinced that we are going to be able to achieve that.
Great. Based on that and where we just talked about on the pharma side, it sounds like from a BD perspective, you guys feel pretty good about opportunity set internally right now and what you've accomplished. And so it seems like maybe lean and be opportunistic, but it seems like you feel pretty good about.
Our focus in BD, and I have Nauman here, who is our Head of BD here.
I got to talk.
I was able to talk to him and John. Our focus in BD it's always into earlier-stage opportunities in which we can create significant value. I think and Nauman can correct me, in the last 18 months, we did 60 early-stage opportunities. The 2 latest blockbuster products that we are about to launch, INLEXZO and icotrokinra, we didn't even issue a press release when we did the deal. So we didn't issue a press release. So those are smaller deals that we have demonstrated that we can create significant value. So that is our focus.
Unlike other companies, we don't need to do large M&A in pharma because we are delivering the growth. And John can tell you -- he's always asking for more money in order to develop more medicines. So there's not -- there's more than enough to be able to do. In MedTech, we already have done 2 significant acquisitions. And look, we are in the process of making sure that we make these acquisitions work. So I mean, as far as M&A, our focus is to be able to go into early-stage opportunities that we can nurture with our scale in every area, clinical development, manufacturing, commercialization, and that's where we are going.
Okay. Great.
I would just say a lot of our partnerships start quite early where there's a lot of polishing of the gem to be done. If you look at INLEXZO, the drug device for bladder cancer, for example, that was a 13-year journey. We acquired the company when they have a preclinical prototype with a lot of work by our chemists and in collaboration with our MedTech colleagues, we were able to optimize the device, scale the manufacturing, get the quality at commercially required levels, then design the development campaign, et cetera, et cetera.
With icotrokinra, same thing. The collaboration there started with a compound from a partner that didn't make it in the early going. It was a 4-year journey, optimizing compounds. I think we made like close to 30 co-crystal structures and then a whole process chemistry journey to get the manufacturing to the point where that could be commercially viable, getting into some really nifty innovative chemistry there for that.
So these are a journey, but through these collaborations, we're able to really harness the power of what the external innovator can bring together with what J&J can bring and then get those things. I like to say we tend to look at things when if you use the baseball metaphor, we're maybe not even on first space yet or we're kind of swing at the plate and then once we can get the first base, then we can take it all the way home and really see that, that innovation gets to patients.
Great. Maybe 2 on the immunology side. The first is on icotrokinra -- make sure I pronounced that correctly. The question, I think, is positioning, obviously. You guys have TREMFYA obviously in the space. So maybe just how are you thinking about positioning that in psoriasis?
And then I know you have some upcoming UC data that you mentioned Phase II coming up at a conference. What should we be most focused on when we see that data vis-a-vis maybe the injectables?
So the position of TREMFYA and icotrokinra, our understanding is there's room for both. So we're going to continue to focus on TREMFYA and we're going to focus on icotrokinra. With icotrokinra initially will be in plaque psoriasis and later in IBD, as John will describe, but there is room. There's patients that prefer an oral therapy, and we believe that's an untapped market. I have talked to many physicians about this issue about injectable versus orals. And there's no question in my mind and the demonstration is how quickly we recruit in the clinical trials that icotrokinra is going to expand the market for advanced therapies.
And please do not compare icotrokinra, although we have head-to-head studies with the TYK2s or with the Otezlas. I mean, this is different. This is the first time that you can put the 3 things together. You can put the efficacy and the safety of a biologic with the convenience of an oral. So I think this is going to be one of our biggest products ever, and it's going to open a new era in immunology, and this is endorsed by a company like us that has been there for 3 decades. We did REMICADE, STELARA, SIMPONI, TREMFYA and now we come with icotrokinra. So in some areas, we are new. But in this one, we know what we are talking about.
You're setting a high bar for yourself.
Yes. We know what we are talking about. I was there launching REMICADE. So we know what we are talking about. Maybe other companies don't, but we know what we are talking about when we talk about immunology.
I think one of the things to bear in mind is that across most autoimmune diseases, if you look at the population that's eligible for a biologic, about 70% are eligible, but not taking one. And surveys show that the biggest reason is they don't want to do an injectable.
The second is concerns about safety. With ico, we actually had more adverse events on the placebo arms of the studies than we had on the treatment arms. So we've got the convenience of an oral option for patients with the safety, which we think, as Joaquin said, is going to expand into population of patients just aren't getting an advanced therapy today.
Yes. And then just a follow-up is on the IBD. UC data. What should we be focused on for this data set vis-a-vis like TREMFYA? Is that the benchmark?
Very similar. We'll have both the clinical remission endpoints as well as the colonoscopy, the mucosal healing endpoints. Those are often used as a composite endpoint in the long run. And we'll have both induction and some degree of maintenance data that you can kind of see how you're tracking in terms of the pace with which you start to get the remission and the mucosal healing and the induction and then the stability of that over time, along, again, with the safety profile as well. So I think that's what we're looking for. And again, we're looking for profiles that can really compete with the best of the best biologic.
I think IBD is another example as we did in multiple myeloma, where we are going to be able to span the whole spectrum of disease. So you'll have icotrokinra, TREMFYA and also the core antibody therapeutic that combines a TNF and IL-23 in a single vial, importantly, that we already have some Phase II data. I think it was in UC with a significant improvement in the magnitude of effect. So we are going to be able to span the whole potential for different type of patients in IBD.
So are you for that combo because again, I think you are pretty unique. You're one of the few companies that started very early in looking at these combinations in immunology. We haven't seen much success here, but it sounds like you feel pretty comfortable. And should we assume you're going to move into Phase III with that now?
Yes. We are going to have the -- so we had a Phase IIa exploratory study. And for those, just to contextualize this, so for patients with IBD on average, 1/3 or less actually achieve a durable complete remission. So there's a lot of room for improvement. The idea was then to take complementary mechanisms. We took our TNF inhibitor, SIMPONI, which inhibits innate immune mechanisms. And it's essentially TREMFYA, guselkumab, which inhibits adaptive immune mechanisms. And based on a lot of transcriptional profiling stuff, we thought, okay, this combo could be both safe and effective.
In that Phase IIa, we broke through that efficacy ceiling had more than half the patients achieving remission. So now we are going to read out very soon some large rigorous Phase IIb studies, one in UC, one in CD, where we're further testing that hypothesis. And we've done head-to-head against our TNF, our IL-23 and then the combo. So it's basically 3 arms where we'll have the head-to-head data to see if this combination gets the job done for these patients who have failed frontline therapy and are needing something more than the monotherapy. So we're reasonably confident, but we'll have the data very shortly, and that will then dictate our decision about whether we go forward to Phase III. But...
Maybe the last one just because, again, you guys -- when you get excited about something, I pay attention. And the one comment that caught my attention is this anti-tau antibody with some Phase II data. So tau has been a very tough target for the industry historically. And obviously, Abeta was tough, but tau, I'd say is just as tough, but you sound fairly excited about this. And so maybe just contextualize that any more for us.
Yes. So with -- I think not unlike Abeta, there are various schools of thought as to how to tackle it. So we have an antibody that binds to a particular phosphorylated version of tau that is the pathological form and that prevents the propagation of the seeding of these insoluble forms. So the -- it's tough to get these antibodies across the blood-brain barrier. We did try preclinically some other tricks, but frankly, we got just as good with the naked antibody. So that's what we're doing. We're testing 2 doses, one of which is 3.5 grams. So really pushing the envelope there on the dose. And we'll test the hypothesis with this that if we can capture that pathological forms of tau as they spread from cell to cell and they move through the brain that we'll be able to intervene.
So we'll have the tau PET imaging sort of before and after to see did we slow that spreading as well as the usual cognitive endpoints, et cetera, functional endpoints to help guide our decision-making. So -- and we have other shots on goal, too. We have a partnership with, essentially a vaccine that tries to get your own immune system to make antibodies against these pathological forms of tau. That's in a Phase II study and we have some other things too that are almost in the clinic, but we are trying several ways to get a crack -- try to crack tau and feel that, that's kind of the best target out there right now. And so we are going at it hard and see if we can make a dent on this Alzheimer's problem.
As you know, there are 55 million people around the world already with Alzheimer's and with the demographic of populations becoming more aged, we know that's going to very rapidly double or triple. So we -- society needs some help there. So we're giving it a try and these are not faint-of-heart investments. Each of these studies is measured in the billions of dollars. So whenever people are asking about rewarding innovation, et cetera, the importance of it, I mean, you're seeing it right front and center there with these high stakes and bets we're making on things like trying to crack Alzheimer's with a tau therapy.
This is exactly the type of problem that companies like us can do, right? We have the financial muscle in order to be able to tackle something that really is, in my view, the biggest health problem that we have in front of us. I mean everybody is aging and then the percentage of people that once you age has any type of neuro cognitive disorder is very high. And neuro-degeneration is an area that requires more investment. There's not so many targets that one can interact. I think that we are doing also things on basic research to be able to identify newer targets. And I'm enthusiastic because if that were positive, it would be simply the most important thing that we may have accomplished this decade. So it would be really fantastic to be able to have something that is a new way of trying to address this major social problem.
Yes. One of the exciting enablers is they're now blood tests for detecting these abnormal forms of tau. So it really sets the stage for early diagnosis, intervene before it's too late. So we really see this kind of analog as if you're going to get your cholesterol checked to then go on an intervention that might prevent you from having a heart attack or a stroke. We hope that, that's the way the field of Alzheimer's eventually move. So it's exciting to see the progress, and we'll know before end of the year, whether this first crack at it has proven successful or not.
Great. Well, thank you so much both for your time. Really appreciate it. Always a pleasure. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
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Johnson & Johnson — Morgan Stanley 23rd Annual Global Healthcare Conference
📣 Kernbotschaft
- Takeaway: J&J positioniert sich als kombiniertes Pharma‑ und MedTech‑Wachstumsunternehmen: starke Pipeline in Onkologie, Immunologie und Neurologie, jüngste Zulassung von INLEXZO und eine angekündigte US‑Fertigungsinvestition von $55 Mrd. Management zeigt Vertrauen, mittelfristige EBR‑Wachstumsziele zu erreichen oder zu übertreffen.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Onkologie: Ziel, bis 2030 führend in Onkologie zu sein; Fokus auf Myelom‑Kombinationen (bispezifisch → trispezifisch), CAR‑T und Verschiebung in frühere Therapielinien mit Cure‑Ambitionen.
- Immunologie: Duale Positionierung: TREMFYA weiter ausbauen und icotrokinra (oral, IL‑23‑Blockade) als ergänzende, markterweiternde Option verfolgen; Kombinationsansatz (TNF+IL‑23) in IBD geplant.
- MedTech: Portfolio auf High‑Growth‑Segmente verlagert (kardio, robotische Chirurgie OTTAVA, Orthopädie, Vision); Cardiovascular wächst stark (Shockwave, Abiomed).
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Zulassung: INLEXZO wurde erwähnt als gerade zugelassenes Produkt; Management sieht >$5 Mrd. Marktpotenzial.
- Pipeline‑Timing: Posdinemab (Anti‑Tau) Phase‑II‑Daten noch in diesem Jahr; icotrokinra IBD‑Daten stehen bevor.
- Guidance‑Signal: Management erwartet, dass 2026 > 2025 und 2027 > 2026 (Revitalisierung nach STELARA‑Biosimilars) und nennt konkret das $55 Mrd. Fertigungsprogramm in den USA.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Myelom‑Adoption: Wie schnell übernehmen Community‑Onkologen bispezifische/tri‑spezifische Regime vs. DARZALEX‑Backbone? Management sieht Lernkurve, erwartet aber breitere Anwendung.
- icotrokinra vs. TREMFYA: Positionierung in Psoriasis und IBD; Fokus auf Remission‑ und mukosale‑Heilungs‑Endpunkte in UC‑Daten; Management sieht Marktexpansion durch orale Option.
- Politik & Timing: Auf Fragen zu Preis‑/Policy‑Verhandlungen (US‑Regierung) gab es kein konkretes Timeline‑Commitment; Management betonte Dialog, aber keine Prognose.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Implikation: Der Auftritt untermauert ein multipler‑getriebenes Wachstumsnarrativ: starke Onkologie‑Pipeline, disruptive orale Immunologie‑Wette und verstärkte MedTech‑Investitionen. Positiv für Aktionäre, bleibt aber daten‑ und politikabhängig; entscheidende Kurskorrektoren sind bevorstehende Daten (icotrokinra, Anti‑Tau, Myelom‑Studien) und die Ausführung der großen Fertigungs‑ und Integrationsprojekte.
Johnson & Johnson — Wells Fargo 20th Annual Healthcare Conference 2025
1. Question Answer
Okay. Are we ready to go. Timothy Schmid is our keynote speaker today. And I should also welcome everybody here to the 2025 Wells Fargo Healthcare Conference. Thank you for making the trip.
So back to our keynote speaker. Tim is the Executive Vice President and Worldwide Chairman of J&J MedTech, which is one of the world's largest medical technology companies with annual sales of $32 billion. Tim has been with J&J for over 30 years and served in leadership positions across multiple multibillion-dollar businesses across the globe. Most recently, Tim was company Group Chairman of J&J MedTech Asia Pacific.
The format today will be moderated Q&A. I'm going to -- I'm planning to spend the first part of the discussion on industry topics and the other half on medical -- J&J MedTech-specific topics. So Tim, thanks so much for agreeing to be our keynote speaker today.
My pleasure, Larry. Thanks for being here, and good afternoon, everyone.
So let's jump in with the industry topics, Tim. Talk about the state of the MedTech industry today. I think you said you expect sector growth at 5% to 7% at your last Investor Day in 2023. Is that still the case?
Sure, Larry. And let me maybe just start with the big picture. We are very fortunate to work in a highly attractive industry. The medical technology sector is roughly $500 billion in sales. And certainly, it's not going away. It's being driven by aging populations, greater access to health care and to new technology that, frankly, is making a lot of surgical and other medical procedures easier for many physicians to do. And so it's an attractive industry.
While many people think that J&J originally was a consumer products company, you understand that we started 140 years ago as a surgery business in New Brunswick, New Jersey. That's the basis of J&J. It is our legacy and certainly, it is our future.
Today, as Larry mentioned, we're roughly $32 billion business. We have market leadership positions in the majority of categories that we participate. We have 12 businesses with annual sales in excess of $1 billion. And shortly, we will announce the 13th, which is the acquisition and addition of Shockwave to our portfolio.
And as we look forward, we certainly are excited and encouraged by the recent performance that we've driven. And Larry, to answer your question, we are very confident that, that rough end market range of 5% to 7% is stable, and our expectation and commitment is to grow at the upper end of that range.
What's driving that is really continued portfolio renewal and really doubling down on parts of our portfolio where we believe we have a right to win and growing in categories that really offer the greatest unmet need and growth and margin profile for Johnson & Johnson.
That's helpful. So innovation is the lifeblood of the industry. How would you assess the state of innovation in the industry? And what are some of the key areas you're most excited about, either ones that J&J participates in today or ones that you're just monitoring?
Well, Larry, I think we are on the cusp of an absolute explosion of innovation. And it shouldn't surprise any of you what's driving that. And new advances in technology, whether that be AI or robotics or the demand from customers for personalization of care is really changing the game for our business and certainly for the industries from individual single-use devices to highly connected and smarter devices, less invasive devices.
And so I think it is a -- we're going to see more innovation that really changes lives over the next 10 years than I think we've seen in the last 20 to 30. When you think about how we view innovation, there's 2 aspects. Clearly, there's internal R&D. Last year, we invested roughly $3.7 billion in R&D, especially in high-growth businesses like cardiovascular, like digital surgery as well as vision.
And then of course, we've been fortunate to leverage the power of Johnson & Johnson's balance sheet and credit rating to make some sizable investments. In fact, over the last couple of years, north of $30 billion invested on really getting into the most exciting and high-growth aspects of MedTech such as cardiovascular with the acquisition of Abiomed and Shockwave.
And so certainly, we'll continue to build our presence in that area, given its size, $60 billion segment within MedTech growing roughly 8% annually. And so we see that as certainly an area where we'll continue to double down at the same time. We've got a big business, and we will look to place our bets on those that we believe will provide the best return.
That's helpful. So let's talk about the policy environment. Talk about some of the changes at the FDA and CMS, et cetera. Have you seen any impact on new product review times, approval time lines, access to health care, et cetera?
Well, Larry, no doubt it's a dynamic time. But frankly, we've been quite encouraged by the openness of the FDA to collaborate with industry.
Now we think that certainly continued modernization of the capabilities of the FDA, streamlining some of the processes for approvals are tremendous opportunities, and those are on the agenda of the administration. We do think that continuity of leadership and deep clinical expertise is essential for a high-performing FDA.
And even with the recent staff changes, we've been surprised and actually grateful for the fact that we have not seen a significant amount of disruption to approval times or anything of that nature. We're also very confident in the current leadership of CDRH, which is the version of FDA that oversees medical technology. And we think that we've got a leadership team that is very committed to ensuring both fast and appropriate approvals, but also keeping the safety of patients in mind.
The last thing I'd say is that we're also encouraged by recent authorization on update to MDUFA, which is an important policy whereby industry provides and supports user fees to ensure the continued rapid approval of appropriate medical technologies. And so, so far, so good. And I know it's a dynamic space across certainly this market. But we've been encouraged by the administration's openness to engage and why are they engaging with us is because MedTech as an industry is a U.S. grown industry.
We have positions and products in almost every single operating room around the world. And I don't think the administration wants to do anything to disrupt an industry that, frankly, is homegrown here in the U.S. and is a significant contributor to economic growth.
That's helpful. There is some concern among investors that the expiration of the ACA exchange subsidies and the Medicaid cuts in the one big beautiful bill could reduce the number of covered lives in the U.S. next year and in 2027 by a significant number. How are you thinking about the potential impact of this on procedure volume?
Yes. Let me start with that first aspect of the one big beautiful bill, and that is the potential change and impact on Medicare payments. It's only 2 months old. And actually, if you look at the provisions within the bill, many of those aspects that could impact Medicaid only come into play over the next 3 years. And so our early assessment, and once again, it is early days, Larry, is that we do not expect a material impact to our industry or our business on the back of those changes, given that we're not highly reliant on Medicaid.
And so for us, it's not a major concern at this time. I think it's important to draw attention to while that created a lot of noise around the one big beautiful bill, there are many aspects of that bill that are very attractive to Johnson & Johnson and to our industry. In fact, our ability to make the recent commitment we made of $55 billion over the next 4 years, which, by the way, is a 25% increase over the prior 4 years was the fact that many provisions within that bill are very attractive to big American companies like us doubling down here in the U.S. things like our ability to expense R&D investments here in the U.S.
And it didn't just start with the one big beautiful bill. In fact, changes that happened in the first Trump administration in 2017 with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act already creating an environment for us to really continue to focus on building our presence here in the United States, and that's exactly what we're doing.
That's helpful. Tim, China has obviously been volatile in recent years, and it's been a growth headwind for J&J MedTech and some of your peers -- most of your peers. What are you seeing on the ground today? And how do companies like J&J continue to operate in that environment?
It's dynamic. Larry, I spent the last almost 6 years of my career before stepping into this role out in Asia. And listen, there are tremendous opportunities and there are tremendous challenges. And we've been fortunate to mostly benefit from the opportunities.
Today, we're the largest med tech company in China. We've been there for almost 3 decades. There is an insatiable demand for health care and for technology. And frankly, there's investment in health care, which we think is tremendous. And so by no means are we stepping away from China. We've got a tremendous presence and set of capabilities in China. We're increasingly localizing our capabilities. And we've got a responsibility, frankly, to many physicians and millions of patients that we built over many decades.
Now the impact of volume-based procurement has been profound for our industry. At the same time, we're working through that. We expect that China will continue to be a headwind for this year and for 2026. But beyond that, we still see it as an attractive market, just given its size and its scale and the investment in health care. Just to put it in context, while this is a bigger proportion of our MedTech business, for J&J, only 5% of our sales globally are from China.
And so I do think it really talks to the scale of -- and the presence we have around the world that allows us to weather challenges that we're facing in China today. And even in our MedTech business, we grew 6% last year, 6.1% in the second quarter, even with that headwind from one of our most important markets.
That's helpful. So let's transition to J&J specific questions. Starting at a high level when Joaquin Duato became J&J's CEO a few years ago, he said that driving the MedTech business to become a best-in-class performer was a top priority for him. Where do you think the business is on that pathway today?
Yes. And there's no doubt it is a significant focus for our company. And frankly, Joaquin has put his reputation on the line. And so I couldn't be more grateful for the support that this industry and this sector gets from him.
And let me tell you where it started. If you look back at our performance in MedTech, while we are one of the largest, if you look at our performance prior to the MedTech, we were -- prior to the pandemic, we were growing close to 2%, Larry. And that was driven by the fact that the majority of our portfolio, while large, participated in lower growth markets.
We have been on a tear over the last 5 years to address that. In fact, in 2018, about 20% of our portfolio participated in high-growth markets, so north of 5%. Today, it's close to 50%. How have we done that? We've divested. In fact, we've generated about $5 billion of cash over the last 7 years in divesting of businesses that don't meet our strategic priorities or we think would fare better in the hands of others.
And of course, adding to the portfolio, doubling down on the highest growth category within MedTech being cardiovascular with massive acquisitions, both starting with Abiomed and Shockwave. And so today, about 50% of our portfolio is in markets growing north of 5%. And you've seen that reflected in our results. And so the first one has been changing the portfolio.
And by the way, we are not done. Our goal is to be best-in-class, not just the largest, best-in-class. And so that's the first one. The second one is we've made significant changes to our operating model. In fact, over the last 18 months, we've moved 35,000, the roughly 70,000 people in MedTech into individual business units, moving away from a highly centralized management structure to more decentralized. And why have we done that? Because each business within MedTech is unique.
Specialization really matters to our customers and allowing our businesses to move at speed and with greater efficiency to serve customers, we think, is essential, and we're already seeing the benefits of that. And so those 2 drivers, Larry, both in terms of shifting the portfolio and driving a more efficient and effective and faster organization, we think, are essential, and we're proud of the progress, but certainly more to do.
So Tim, you set a goal of growing at the high end of that 5% to 7% market growth for J&J MedTech. On the Q2 call, you talked about being very confident in reaching the high end between, I think, the 22% to 27%.
I guess my question is, do you think you can achieve that organically? If I look at kind of the first half, growth was about 5% constant currency adjusted operational, which is your definition of organic. Can you still grow at the 5% to 7% -- high end of 5% to 7% organically? Or do you need to supplement that?
Well, we'll continue to review the portfolio, both looking at businesses that we need to call as well as businesses that we want to add to the portfolio. But to be clear, Larry, when we stood up at our EBR in late '23, we committed to that 5% to 7% over 22% to 27% operationally, inclusive of everything. And we're very confident that we will deliver against that.
You'll know that we had a softer first quarter, which I'm sure we'll get into talking about a little later, but a really nice rebound in the second. And we made firm commitments in the second quarter that you will see acceleration H2 versus H1, and we're very confident that, that is exactly what's going to happen. So we remain committed to that commitment of 5% to 7% at the upper range over that period.
Okay. Well, you preempted my next question, which was how you're thinking about the second half of the year for J&J MedTech relative to the first half. Maybe I'll add the second part, which is any early color on just puts and takes for next year.
I won't give a lot of guidance for 2026, given where we are in the year other than to commit to that range that we mentioned earlier. But why I feel confident in stronger performance in the back half is very clear.
Firstly, we had a bit of a stop start on our electrophysiology business within the Cardiovascular business unit in the first quarter. We saw tremendous growth in the second quarter. In fact, 9% sequential growth Q1 versus Q2 with acceleration in the quarter. We are absolutely back with PFA and in EP, and we are not backing down.
We are, by far and away, the worldwide market leader in that space. And our expectation is you will see continued performance there. That's number one. Obviously, we have the new acquisitions of Abiomed and Shockwave. The portfolios continue to grow, tremendous new evidence around the benefits of those technologies, both double-digit businesses.
Shockwave, as I mentioned earlier, will be our $13 billion platform. We saw 22% growth in the second quarter in cardiovascular. And so we do think that's going to be a tremendous growth driver for the future. We've seen strong stable growth in our surgery business, driven by Biosurgery as well as our wound closure businesses growth, both growing about 7%. And so even with the competition from surgical robotics, we're seeing robust growth in one of our largest and most profitable businesses.
Vision is absolutely on a tear. We had a challenging '24 due to some portfolio gaps as well as some capacity challenges. Our contact lens business continues to grow, especially with the launch -- recent launch of the ACUVUE OASYS MAX 1-Day, which is the first and only disposable contact lens for patients suffering with astigmatism and presbyopia.
And then I think you've seen the resurgence of our IOL business, which is by far and away the fastest-growing premium IOL business where we are taking significant share in Asia, in Europe and most importantly, here in the U.S. on the back of the success of our odyssey launches.
We do have opportunity. given the portfolio we have, there's always opportunities, Larry. Our ortho business was a little soft in the first 2 quarters, better in second quarter, and we see improvement there also on the back of tremendous innovation. And so very confident in what we communicated in the second quarter and that the second half will be better.
That's very helpful. Before jumping into the individual businesses, let me ask you how you're feeling about the J&J MedTech portfolio today. You've participated in other areas in the past, such as diabetes and diagnostics, which you exited. Could we see you either enter new areas, white spaces or exit from existing ones in the future?
Absolutely, Larry. And I think -- I mean, it's why I think J&J has stood the test of time, and we've made some difficult decisions over our history, most notably in 2023 when we exited the consumer products business and spun out Kenvue. And within MedTech alone, as I mentioned earlier, last 7 years, we've generated $5 billion by divesting the businesses that we think will perform better elsewhere.
The most recent example of that was our Acclarent business, which we -- was in ENT. We divested of that in the second quarter of last year. We are constantly looking at adding to our portfolio as we have with Abiomed and Shockwave, V-Wave, Laminar and others as well as continuing to look at businesses that will perform elsewhere.
Obviously, I won't divulge what those plans are, but expect continued evolution of our portfolio. And why that is so essential is getting that percentage of businesses growing north of 5% above the 50% that it is today. To get the best-in-class as a med tech company, we think we need to be north of 60%. And so we will be very aggressive in looking to achieve that.
So I think I heard you -- let's move on to cardiovascular. You've touched upon it a few times today. I think I even heard you say maybe doubling down there earlier. But if I look at your -- at a high level, your cardiovascular business, you're #1 in many areas you participate in, but you're #4 overall after Medtronic, Boston, Abbott, which is unusual for J&J. If I look at ortho and other surgery, other areas you're in vision, et cetera.
This is a space where I think contracting across service lines and the presence in the cath lab tends to be important. So how important is it to you to be kind of #1 or #2 in cardiovascular devices overall? Or is it just -- is it more important to just be #1 in the subsectors you participate in or #2?
Larry, it's a great question. And anything I have learned, you guys don't reward us for size, right? You reward us for performance. And so our goal isn't necessarily to be #1 in an entire category like cardiovascular, which is by far the biggest $60 billion category.
Our goal is to be #1 in the businesses that we participate. And that's frankly what I've seen you reward. And so no, we're not going up to #1 or #2, but we certainly want to be #1 in the areas we've participated. If you look back prior to the acquisition of Abiomed and Shockwave, we were actually #6, Larry, not #4. Only had presence in EP.
We made a specific decision to lead in heart failure with Abiomed, which has been an absolute home run. And then we built on -- we bolted on Shockwave, which drove our presence deeper into interventional cardiology, allowed us to play in coronary artery disease and peripheral artery disease. And so we are certainly increasing our tentacles within cardiovascular, but we're being very deliberate around not just participating, but leading.
And if you actually look at the decisions to acquire Abiomed and Shockwave, these are 2 categories north of $1 billion, growing strong double digit, where we have no competition today. We are creating those categories in the same way we did our EP business. And so we think that's the winning formula. Will we look at other opportunities in cardiovascular? Most likely.
At the same time today, our focus is really actively integrating those businesses. They're big acquisitions. It's not easy. But I can confidently say that we are delivering results ahead of our deal expectations, and we believe that those are going to be annuity growth businesses for the next couple of decades.
So Tim, how are you thinking about the evolution of the cardiovascular device business going forward? And specifically, within cardiovascular, structural heart is one of the fastest-growing areas. Do you feel it's important to participate in this area at some point?
Obviously, there have been a fair amount of rumors out there, and I'm not going to comment on those at all. We constantly look at opportunities across our entire portfolio, not only in cardiovascular, but where we can lead.
And we typically have a very simple formula, but an effective formula to how we assess these opportunities. Number one, it starts with strategic. Sorry, scientific. Is there a significant unmet patient need? And does the company have a technology that can really address that? That's the first one.
The second one is strategic. Do we have a right to win? So is it an adjacent business? Do we have capabilities we can leverage just like we did with Abiomed and Shockwave.
And then the third one is financials. Is it going to deliver the returns that you and certainly we expect at J&J. And that's really the philosophy we'll follow. Our goal is to participate in areas of high growth, high margin and where we can win.
That's helpful. Let's -- before moving on to surgery, let's address your EP business. I heard your comments earlier. I mean, it sounds like you feel like you've turned the corner there. How should we think about your EP growth going forward? And do you feel your internal pipeline will get you back to market growth? In the past, the hallmark of Biosense Webster was actually you were the market leader and you would outgrow the market, which is pretty unusual.
It is. And that comes from 20 years of commitment to building that space and the science within it. And do we think that we are at an inflection or turning point? Absolutely, Larry. I think you know that for good reason, we decided to hold the launch of our VARIPULSE technology here in the U.S. in the first quarter, which was painful, but clearly the right decision for patients, most importantly.
When you look at the growth of that business through the second quarter, we are absolutely back. And rest assured that while we are not the market leader in PFA today, we are by far and away the market leader across electrophysiology. And the winning formula in electrophysiology isn't just a new catheter, a new PFA catheter, it's 3 components. And this is what builds our confidence around why we can continue to win.
Number one, it is a full portfolio of catheters, both RF and PFA. RF is not going away for the most complex cases. PFA is certainly becoming the dominant modality and what you need is a full portfolio of PFA catheters. We started with VARIPULSE. And by the way, there are no safety concerns with VARIPULSE. And that was a concern around the halting of the launch here in the U.S. We've done 15,000 cases.
We have a neurovascular event rate of below 0.5%, which is industry benchmark. We had a study coming out of the European Society of Cardiology last week, 800 patients in Europe, 0 strokes, right? And so we know we've got a highly effective safe product that continues to perform. And clearly, you can see that in our second quarter results, and you'll see that through the remainder of the year.
We're adding a dual-energy device already doing cases in Europe. We have CE Mark approval. Think about a catheter that allows a physician to both use PFA and RF technology depending on what they need in the same procedure. We think that's going to be a home run. We have a product called OMNYPULSE under development, which is a large-tip focal catheter. And so building out the portfolio of catheters, we think, is the first one.
The second one is mapping. And I know you've heard me talk about this at nauseam, Larry, but mapping is the gateway to electrophysiology. The ability for an EP to be able to see where they're navigating in the confines of the heart to make sure that they're ablating in the right spot really matters. And even today, where we're not leading in PFA cases in the United States, we mapped the majority of cases. Why do we do that? Because physicians trust that we have the best mapping system with CARTO.
And by the way, we still make money. The economics are -- come from the catheters. They come from the CARTO system or whatever mapping system is being used and the ultrasound and navigation catheters where we also lead. So mapping, we believe, is essential, and we'll continue to invest in CARTO to make sure we stay ahead there.
And then the third one, which a lot of people don't quite understand is the importance of service in the cath lab. If you go into any EP lab, it won't be just the electrophysiologist in there and their staff. It is a Johnson & Johnson mapper. We have 5,000 of them around the world who are an essential part of the provision of care, highly trained technical mappers who are helping those physicians deliver the best outcomes.
And so for those reasons alone, Larry, we are confident that we will maintain our leadership position over the long term. We still have work to do to catch up on PFA, but we are in the early innings and rest assured that we are not going away.
That's helpful. So let's transition to surgery now. You've been growing arguably below market recently because of competition from robotics in China VBP, which you mentioned earlier. What's the near-term outlook for surgery before we get into the OTTAVA question?
Yes. I mean, firstly, I know there's a lot of excitement around surgical robotics, and I'm going to touch on that because it's exciting for us as well. But you've got to remember that we are still the largest company in the space of surgery. And surgery has 3 components to it. It has open procedures, which are still prolific around the world. Laparoscopic procedures and robotics, we lead in open as well as in laparoscopic procedures.
We have 2 multibillion-dollar businesses in surgery, both in biosurgery as well as our wound closure business, one of the oldest J&J business, growing -- both of them growing 7% in the second quarter. So highly profitable, multibillion-dollar large businesses there.
We are seeing competition on some of our instruments, specifically with endocutters as well as energy, mainly on the back of the advent of surgical robotics. But we're confident that we're going to be a player there. We're not going to be #1 overnight, but we certainly believe that there is lots of room for competition in the surgical robotics space.
There are 300 million procedures done across the world every year. Less than 6% of them are done robotically. Over time, given the benefits of robotic surgery, the growing evidence base about the reduction of variability of procedures, over time, the majority of procedures will be done robotically, not all with sophisticated robots, but we believe that it is a place that is so ripe for disruption. There is not a physician or a health care system CEO on the planet that isn't looking for competition here.
Clearly, our -- the predecessor has been very dominant and clearly very effective, and it will take time. But we are confident that what we have with OTTAVA, which is truly a unique offering within surgical robotics is going to be a home run. And it will not only be -- it will not be the only investment we make in surgical robotics because we believe that is a growing opportunity for the future.
Last thing I'd say on OTTAVA, as we've mentioned, we're currently in the clinical trials. We're doing cases as we speak, and we expect to conclude that work and submit for approval in the first quarter of 2026.
That's helpful. A couple of follow-ups on OTTAVA. One is I thought you made a bold decision to skip the feasibility arm and go directly to a U.S. IDE. I guess, is there -- it sounds like you're happy with how things are progressing based on the comments you made today and on the Q2 call and I think at SRS as well. Just want to confirm that. And how are you feeling about kind of your ability to be at least, let's just say, #2 after Intuitive Surgical? What's the goal? What do you think is a reasonable goal for you to have in soft tissue robotics over time?
Well, certainly, our expectation is not to be a distant third or fourth. We are very confident that we can be a solid #2. It will -- it takes time, right? These are very different businesses, installing capital, which are -- they're not giving away. It takes time, Larry.
But we believe we have an offering that will absolutely compete. Otherwise, we wouldn't be doing this, right? And when I think about the benefits of our system, and it's really the unique architecture, it's the only system where if you walked into a lab, you wouldn't even know that it was a robot.
The arms come from outside from underneath the bed. Why do physicians and clinical staff like that? Because it's a smaller real estate within the operating room, less booms and carts coming in. It has twin motion, the opportunity for the bed as well as the arms to move simultaneously, which is really important in complex cases.
And finally, what surgeons are asking for is give me those best-in-class Ethicon instruments on a robot. We'll be the only company that can do that. The final thing I'll say, and I know you heard me talk about this at SRS, Larry, is I'd urge everyone to think about robotics, not just about the robot itself. Over time, we expect that the robot will become table stakes.
The real benefit is actually the leveraging of data. Imagine 300 million cases around the world and what data can be extracted from those procedures that allow then us to provide real-time feedback to physicians while in the procedures or for subsequent procedures to improve their performance. That really is the value.
Think about the iPhone you have. Yes, we love the fact that it's a phone and all the rest of it, but it's actually the ecosystem that Apple provides around it that really creates the value, the access to connectivity and the apps and the entire ecosystem. That is where we believe the -- that's the future of surgical robotics.
Yes, having a robot is important, but it's really leveraging that data and connectivity, which we believe is really going to make a difference for patients. And for us, that's POLYPHONIC. When we launch OTTAVA, it will come with an open, not a closed an open digital ecosystem that allows many folks to innovate on our platform.
That's super helpful. Okay. Ortho, you touched upon it earlier. That's one business where the performance has been a little bit challenged. Second quarter improved over first quarter. What do you need to do to drive J&J's ortho growth closer to the market growth rate of, call it, 3% to 4%?
And one additional question there. If I look at the kind of hip and knee market in the second quarter, it did slow. To give you credit, you talked about the backlog from COVID being exhausted second half last year. I think you called it right. You were first.
But we did see a pretty big deceleration in the second quarter. So how are you thinking about J&J's ortho business going forward, which was close to flattish, I think, in the second quarter, right? And how are you thinking about just the overall market?
Yes. And Larry, no doubt, we need to do better here, right? And in such a big portfolio, there's always going to be opportunities, and this is certainly one of our most important ones. Just to put the results of the first half in context, one of the factors certainly was the fact that we had a tough comparator with the backlog from the first half of '24.
The second one is I'd remind everyone that we had the ortho restructuring program, which also impacted our sales. And then the third one, frankly, in all transparency was tough competition, right? When I look at the second quarter, it was better than the first, and I'm very confident you're going to see increases improvement through the third and fourth quarter. Why is that? It is all about innovation.
And frankly, our competitors in certain spots have done better than we have. When I look at ortho alone, we had 18 510(k) approvals in '24, 40 outside of the U.S. And so we have a dearth of innovation coming into the space that we certainly expect will continue to prop up our results.
We have our VOLT Plating System. We are #1 global in the trauma space, new plating system, which is -- which we believe is going to be an absolute game changer.
In our spine business, which has been a bit of a laggard. We're just launching our VELYS Spine robot as well as our TriALTIS thoracolumbar system. Specific to your question in hips and knees, Larry, we're addressing some of the portfolio gaps with the uni -- VELYS uni knee system, which we've launched in the U.S.
We had another gap with the ATTUNE Revision Hinge, which we're launching in the back half of the year. And finally, we have our KINCISE 2.0, which is the only compactor used or impactor used in orthopedic procedures, both hip and knee, that with an indication for both of those procedures. And so we believe that combination of implants with digital technology will continue to drive our performance. And so...
Any concerns about the underlying market and procedure volume?
Not really. I mean, Larry, we're still trying to better understand that we've seen a bit of a slowdown of revision procedures, and we think that probably relates to the fact that we're seeing less variability and better outcomes, which is great for patients. But not really.
I do think that the movement of procedures into the ASC channel has continued to be a tremendous growth driver, and we think we're well positioned there. So no cause for concern from our perspective at this point in time.
And the last category we didn't talk about was Vision Care. You made some positive comments on the momentum in that business, particularly on the surgical side with your IOLs. Just how are you thinking about kind of -- it sounds like you're pretty confident that, that business is going to be at least a mid-single-digit grower going forward.
I mean, today, we're not the largest eye care business. And our intention isn't necessarily to be the largest. We want to be the best performing in the categories that we decided to participate. We are by far and away the worldwide market leaders in contact lens with ACUVUE, one of the most prolific Johnson & Johnson brands.
We had a challenging '24 on the back of some capacity and product gaps last year. We've addressed those, and we're seeing continued performance improvements as well as share gains, both outside of the U.S. and in the U.S. on some of those changes. And so -- and by the way, this is by far and away, the most profitable eye care business in the industry. And so if we can continue to deliver those strong single-digit numbers, mid-single-digit numbers, we believe that's success.
The other aspect I'd mention is when we make an acquisition, our goal is to make sure that it delivers. We had a bit of a stop start with the AMO acquisition. We believe that we've addressed those concerns. And if you look at the results of our Surgical Vision business, 2 consecutive quarters of growth here in the U.S., 9% growth in the second quarter and accelerating on the back of incredible innovations with the best premium selling IOLs with TECNIS Odyssey as well as PureSee outside of the U.S. We believe that one is going to be a tremendous growth driver for our Vision business. Vision tends to be one of the smaller businesses, roughly $5 billion to $6 billion in sales, but absolutely critical for our future.
Look, $5 billion or $6 billion is big for most companies.
We're fortunate.
The cataract market was soft in the first half of the year. Any idea why and when that rebounds?
Yes, Larry, we saw some of that, but not in -- these are -- especially the contact lens business that in certain markets is more susceptible to macroeconomic challenges. It's a cash pay business in certain markets, a little bit of softness there, but nothing that we're concerned about right now and continuous robust growth, especially in the markets that matter the most. Places, especially like the United States. And so we saw some of that, but not data that we would suggest is a trend at this point.
Last question, what's underappreciated about J&J MedTech that we didn't cover?
Well, I think, firstly, we appreciate the fact that our performance is being recognized when we look at the performance across Johnson & Johnson in the second quarter and seeing both of our businesses in Innovative Medicine as well as MedTech perform better than expected is -- and you've seen the performance of our stock since then.
And so we think that, that is hopefully a vote of confidence, and our expectation is to build on that. I think, Larry also, I think it is being recognized now. But where we came from being a slower -- large, slow growth business to about now being more competitive, roughly 6% last year, 6.1% in the second quarter, we're not done, right? And when we look at the leadership positions we have in the highest growth areas with the greatest unmet need as we build in cardiovascular, as we bring OTTAVA to market in surgery, as we build on our Vision business, we believe that we're positioned for better performance. We wouldn't say we're best-in-class yet, Larry, but that is certainly the expectation, and that is our plan to deliver.
Perfect. Tim, thank you so much for being here. Really appreciate it.
Welcome.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it. Thank you.
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🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kernaussage: J&J MedTech transformiert sich aktiv zu einem höher wachsenden, margenstärkeren Portfolio: Ziel ist organisches Wachstum am oberen Ende des MedTech-Marktes (5–7%) und operative Gesamtrendite zwischen ~22–27% über den Planzeitraum, gestützt durch gezielte M&A (Abiomed, Shockwave), gestärkte F&E und Dezentralisierung.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- Portfolio: Anteil der Geschäftsbereiche mit >5% Wachstum stieg von ~20% (2018) auf ~50%; Ziel: >60% durch weitere Zukäufe und Desinvestitionen.
- Kapitalallokation: J&J hat laut Management >$30 Mrd. in MedTech investiert; zusätzliches Unternehmenscommitment von $55 Mrd. über vier Jahre wurde erwähnt.
- Organisation & F&E: Rund 35.000 Mitarbeitende in ~18 Monaten in lokale Business Units überführt; F&E-Aufwand zuletzt ~$3,7 Mrd.; Fokus auf Kardiologie, digitale Chirurgie und Vision.
🔭 Neue Informationen
- OTTAVA: Klinische Fälle laufen; Einreichungsziel für Zulassung in den USA: Q1 2026.
- Cardio-Assets: Shockwave soll ein ~$13 Mrd.-Plattformgeschäft werden; kardiovaskuläre Sparte +22% im 2. Quartal.
- EP-Sicherheit: VARIPULSE: ~15.000 Fälle, neurovaskuläre Ereignisrate <0,5% und europäische Studie (800 Patienten) berichtete 0 Schlaganfälle.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- EP & PFA: Kritische Nachfrage zu VARIPULSE-Start; Management lieferte konkrete Sicherheitsdaten und betonte Mapping‑Vorteil (CARTO) plus Service-Teams als Wettbewerbsfaktor.
- OTTAVA-Positionierung: Nachfrage nach Marktstellungsziel; Management strebt #2 im Soft-Tissue-Robotikmarkt an, will mit Geräten plus offenem Datenökosystem Wettbewerber herausfordern.
- China & Politik: Fragen zu Volumenrisiken durch Gesetzesänderungen und Volumen‑Beschaffungsprogramme; Management erwartet kurzfristige Headwinds in China (2025–2026) und sieht legislative Effekte aktuell nicht als material für das Geschäft.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Bewertung: Der Auftritt bestätigt eine klare Wachstumsstrategie: Portfolio‑Shift, gezielte M&A und Produkt‑Pipeline (Cardio, EP, OTTAVA, Vision) sind Hauptkatalysatoren. Risiken bleiben China, Zulassungs‑/Integrationsrisiken und starker Wettbewerb in Robotics/Ortho. Für Aktionäre bedeutet das: positives langfristiges Upside bei abhängiger Kurzfrist‑Execution.
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der EBIT-Marge.
Nettogewinn
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Nettogewinn einfach erklärtaktien.guide Basis
| Jun '26 |
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%
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| Umsatz | 97.929 97.929 |
8 %
8 %
100 %
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| - Direkte Kosten | 31.293 31.293 |
8 %
8 %
32 %
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| Bruttoertrag | 66.636 66.636 |
8 %
8 %
68 %
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| - Vertriebs- und Verwaltungskosten | 25.124 25.124 |
10 %
10 %
26 %
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| - Forschungs- und Entwicklungskosten | 15.102 15.102 |
11 %
11 %
15 %
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| EBITDA | 35.067 35.067 |
14 %
14 %
36 %
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| - Abschreibungen | 7.751 7.751 |
4 %
4 %
8 %
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| EBIT (Operatives Ergebnis) EBIT | 27.316 27.316 |
17 %
17 %
28 %
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| Nettogewinn | 21.037 21.037 |
7 %
7 %
21 %
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Johnson & Johnson ist eine Holdinggesellschaft, die sich mit der Forschung und Entwicklung, der Herstellung und dem Verkauf von Produkten im Gesundheitsbereich beschäftigt. Sie ist in den folgenden Segmenten tätig: Konsumgüter, Pharmazeutika und Medizinprodukte. Das Verbrauchersegment umfasst Produkte, die in den Märkten für Babypflege, Mundpflege, Schönheitspflege, rezeptfreie Arzneimittel, Frauengesundheit und Wundversorgung eingesetzt werden. Das pharmazeutische Segment konzentriert sich auf therapeutische Bereiche wie Immunologie, Infektionskrankheiten und Impfstoffe, Neurowissenschaften, Onkologie, Herz-Kreislauf- und Stoffwechselerkrankungen sowie Lungenhochdruck. Das Segment Medical Devices bietet Produkte an, die in den Bereichen Orthopädie, Chirurgie, Herz-Kreislauf, Diabetesversorgung und Augengesundheit eingesetzt werden. Das Unternehmen wurde 1886 von Robert Wood Johnson I, James Wood Johnson und Edward Mead Johnson Sr. gegründet und hat seinen Hauptsitz in New Brunswick, NJ.
aktien.guide Basis
| Hauptsitz | USA |
| CEO | Mr. Duato |
| Mitarbeiter | 138.200 |
| Gegründet | 1887 |
| Webseite | www.jnj.com |


