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📘 Marktkapitalisierung
📈 Was ist das?
Die Marktkapitalisierung zeigt, wie viel ein Unternehmen laut Börse aktuell wert ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie hilft Unternehmen in Größenklassen (Large, Mid, Small Cap) einzuordnen und gibt Hinweise auf Marktmacht und Stabilität.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Große Unternehmen gelten als stabiler, zahlen oft Dividenden, wachsen aber langsamer.
- Kleine Firmen können stärker wachsen, sind aber schwankungsanfälliger.
- Die Marktkapitalisierung ist ein guter Indikator für Unternehmensgröße, aber kein Maß für Unter- oder Überbewertung.
📘 Enterprise Value (Unternehmenswert)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Enterprise Value (EV) zeigt, was ein Unternehmen tatsächlich kostet, wenn man es komplett übernehmen würde – inklusive Schulden und abzüglich Cash.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
(= Marktkapitalisierung + Nettoverschuldung)
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der EV ist eine realistischere Bewertungsbasis als die Marktkapitalisierung, da er die Kapitalstruktur berücksichtigt. Er ist Grundlage für Kennzahlen wie EV/FCF oder EV/Sales.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Der Enterprise Value zeigt, was ein Unternehmen tatsächlich wert ist – unabhängig davon, wie es finanziert ist.
- Er ist besonders wichtig für professionelle Investoren, da er eine objektivere Grundlage für Bewertungsvergleiche bietet als die Marktkapitalisierung allein.
- Ein Unternehmen mit hoher Verschuldung erscheint im EV teurer, eines mit viel Cash günstiger – auch wenn sie an der Börse gleich viel wert sind.
📘 Nettoverschuldung
📈 Was ist das?
Die Nettoverschuldung zeigt, wie viele Schulden nach Abzug des verfügbaren Cashs tatsächlich verbleiben.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie zeigt, wie stark ein Unternehmen von Fremdkapital abhängig ist – und wie gut es in der Lage ist, seine Schulden kurzfristig zu bedienen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine niedrige oder negative Nettoverschuldung bedeutet hohe finanzielle Stabilität.
- Unternehmen mit viel Cash und geringer Verschuldung sind besser gerüstet für Krisen.
- Eine hohe Nettoverschuldung erhöht das Risiko – besonders bei steigenden Zinsen oder konjunkturellen Schwächen.
📘 Cash
📈 Was ist das?
Der Cashbestand zeigt, wie viele liquide Mittel einem Unternehmen sofort zur Verfügung stehen.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Er gibt Auskunft über die finanzielle Flexibilität: Ein hoher Cashbestand ermöglicht Investitionen, Rückkäufe oder Krisenresistenz.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Cashbestand zeigt finanzielle Stärke und Handlungsspielraum.
- Cash kann für Investitionen, Schuldentilgung oder Aktienrückkäufe genutzt werden.
- Allerdings: Zu viel ungenutztes Kapital kann auch auf mangelnde Investitionsideen hinweisen.
📘 Anzahl ausstehender Aktien
📈 Was ist das?
Die Anzahl ausstehender Aktien gibt an, wie viele Aktien eines Unternehmens aktuell im Umlauf sind und von Investoren gehalten werden.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie ist die Grundlage für viele Kennzahlen wie Gewinn je Aktie (EPS), Marktkapitalisierung oder KGV.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Je weniger Aktien im Umlauf sind, desto höher fällt z. B. der Gewinn je Aktie aus – wichtig für Bewertung und Dividendenrendite.
- Aktienrückkäufe verringern die Anzahl ausstehender Aktien – und steigern den Wert je Aktie.
- Kapitalerhöhungen haben den gegenteiligen Effekt: mehr Aktien → Verwässerung der bestehenden Anteile.
📘 Kurs-Gewinn-Verhältnis (KGV)
📈 Was ist das?
Das KGV zeigt, wie oft der Gewinn pro Aktie im aktuellen Aktienkurs enthalten ist – also wie „teuer“ eine Aktie im Verhältnis zum Gewinn ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das KGV gehört zu den bekanntesten Bewertungskennzahlen. Es hilft Anlegern einzuschätzen, ob eine Aktie im Vergleich zu ihrem Gewinn eher günstig oder teuer erscheint.
🧮 Berechnung
📊 KGV (TTM) = bezogen auf den Gewinn der letzten 12 Monate (Trailing Twelve Months):🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriges KGV kann auf eine günstige Bewertung hindeuten – oder auf Probleme im Geschäftsmodell.
- Ein hohes KGV kann Wachstumserwartungen widerspiegeln – oder eine überbewertete Aktie.
📘 Kurs-Umsatz-Verhältnis (KUV)
📈 Was ist das?
Das KUV zeigt, wie viel Anleger für 1 € Umsatz eines Unternehmens zahlen – unabhängig vom Gewinn.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das KUV ist besonders bei wachstumsstarken oder noch nicht profitablen Unternehmen hilfreich. Es zeigt, wie hoch der Umsatz an der Börse bewertet wird.
🧮 Berechnung
Marktkapitalisierung = 21,55 Mrd. $ | Umsatz (TTM) = 17,45 Mrd. $
Marktkapitalisierung = 21,55 Mrd. $ | Umsatz erwartet = 17,86 Mrd. $
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriges KUV kann auf Unterbewertung hindeuten – oder auf schwache Margen.
- Ein hohes KUV kann hohe Erwartungen widerspiegeln – oder übermäßigen Optimismus.
- Besonders sinnvoll bei Wachstumsunternehmen, bei denen der Gewinn oder Free Cashflow (noch) keine Aussagekraft hat.
📘 Unternehmenswert zu Umsatz (EV/Sales)
📈 Was ist das?
EV/Sales zeigt, wie viel Anleger für 1 € Umsatz eines Unternehmens zahlen, wenn man auch Schulden und Cash berücksichtigt – es ist eine kapitalstrukturbereinigte Version des KUV.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Kennzahl eignet sich besonders für den Vergleich von Unternehmen mit unterschiedlicher Verschuldung – sie zeigt, wie teuer ein Unternehmen tatsächlich im Verhältnis zum Umsatz ist.
🧮 Berechnung
Enterprise Value = 50,92 Mrd. $ | Umsatz (TTM) = 17,45 Mrd. $
Enterprise Value = 50,92 Mrd. $ | Umsatz erwartet = 17,86 Mrd. $
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- EV/Sales ist neutral gegenüber der Kapitalstruktur und eignet sich gut für Unternehmensvergleiche.
- Ein niedriges Verhältnis kann auf eine günstig bewertete Aktie hindeuten – ein hohes Verhältnis auf hohe Erwartungen oder Überbewertung.
- Besonders nützlich bei wachstumsstarken, noch nicht profitablen Firmen.
📘 Unternehmenswert zu Free Cashflow (EV/FCF)
📈 Was ist das?
EV/FCF zeigt, wie viele Jahre es dauern würde, bis ein Unternehmen seinen Unternehmenswert durch freien Cashflow „zurückverdient”.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Kennzahl hilft, Unternehmen auf Basis ihrer tatsächlichen Cash-Erträge zu bewerten – unabhängig von Bilanzierungsregeln oder buchhalterischem Gewinn.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriges EV/FCF deutet auf eine günstige Bewertung bei starker Cashgenerierung hin.
- Ein hohes EV/FCF kann entweder auf Optimismus oder auf temporär schwachen Cashflow hindeuten.
- Besonders hilfreich bei reifen, profitablen Unternehmen mit stabilen Cashflows.
📘 Kurs-Buchwert-Verhältnis (KBV)
📈 Was ist das?
Das KBV zeigt, wie hoch der Marktwert eines Unternehmens im Verhältnis zu seinem bilanziellen Eigenkapital ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das KBV ist besonders bei Substanzwerten (z. B. Banken, Industrie) relevant. Es hilft Anlegern zu erkennen, ob ein Unternehmen unter oder über seinem buchhalterischen Vermögen bewertet ist.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein KBV unter 1 kann auf Unterbewertung oder schwache Rentabilität hindeuten.
- Ein KBV über 1 zeigt, dass der Markt dem Unternehmen Mehrwert über den Buchwert hinaus zuschreibt (z. B. Marken, Patente, Wachstum).
- Das KBV eignet sich besonders gut für Unternehmen mit stabilen, materiellen Vermögenswerten.
📘 Dividende je Aktie
📈 Was ist das?
Die Dividende je Aktie zeigt, wie viel Geld ein Unternehmen pro Aktie an seine Aktionäre ausschüttet – typischerweise jährlich oder quartalsweise.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie ist die absolute Größe der Auszahlung je Aktie – wichtig für alle, die regelmäßige Erträge suchen oder Dividendenstrategien verfolgen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine stabile oder wachsende Dividende je Aktie ist oft ein Zeichen für ein solides Geschäftsmodell.
- Die Dividende je Aktie allein sagt aber nichts über die Rendite – dafür ist auch der Aktienkurs relevant (→ Dividendenrendite).
- Langfristig steigende Dividenden sind oft ein sehr gutes Merkmal (z. B. Dividenden-Aristokraten).
📘 Dividendenrendite
📈 Was ist das?
Die Dividendenrendite zeigt, wie hoch die Dividende eines Unternehmens im Verhältnis zum Aktienkurs ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie hilft dabei, Dividendenaktien vergleichbar zu machen – unabhängig vom absoluten Auszahlungsbetrag.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine stabile Dividendenrendite kann auf verlässliche Ausschüttungen hinweisen.
- Ein Vergleich der 1J- und 5J-Rendite hilft zu erkennen, ob das Dividendenwachstum mit dem Kurswachstum Schritt hält.
- Eine niedrige Rendite ist nicht zwingend negativ – sie kann auf starkes Kurswachstum hindeuten.
📘 Dividendenwachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Dividendenwachstum zeigt, wie stark ein Unternehmen seine Dividende je Aktie über die Zeit gesteigert hat.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
5J: durchschnittliche jährliche Wachstumsrate (CAGR)
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Stetig steigende Dividenden gelten als Zeichen für finanzielle Stärke und Aktionärsorientierung – besonders interessant für langfristige Investoren.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein stabiles Dividendenwachstum ist ein Zeichen nachhaltiger Ertragskraft.
- Ein hohes Dividendenwachstum kann ein erheblicher Hebel deiner Rendite sein:
- Wenn ein Unternehmen z. B. 1 € Dividende zahlt und diese über 5 Jahre jährlich um 15 % erhöht, bekommst du im 5. Jahr bereits 2 € je Aktie – doppelt so viel wie zu Beginn!
📘 Ausschüttungsquote (Payout)
📈 Was ist das?
Die Ausschüttungsquote zeigt, wie viel Prozent des Unternehmensgewinns (pro Aktie) als Dividende an die Aktionäre ausgeschüttet wird.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Quote hilft einzuschätzen, ob eine Dividende auf Dauer tragfähig ist – besonders im Verhältnis zum erzielten Gewinn.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine niedrige Ausschüttungsquote bedeutet: Das Unternehmen behält einen größeren Teil des Gewinns für Investitionen – typisch für Wachstumsunternehmen.
- Eine moderate Quote (z. B. 25–50 %) steht oft für ein gesundes Gleichgewicht zwischen Ausschüttung und Zukunftsinvestitionen.
- Hohe Ausschüttungsquoten können attraktiv wirken, sind aber riskanter, wenn die Gewinne schwanken oder sinken.
📘 Dividendensteigerungen in Folge (Erhöhungen)
📈 Was ist das?
Diese Kennzahl zeigt, wie viele Jahre in Folge ein Unternehmen seine Dividende pro Aktie erhöht hat – ohne Kürzung oder Aussetzung.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Ein langer Track Record kontinuierlicher Erhöhungen spricht für Verlässlichkeit, solide Finanzen und aktionärsfreundliche Unternehmenspolitik.
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein langer Zeitraum mit Dividendensteigerungen stärkt das Vertrauen – besonders in Krisenzeiten.
- Solche Unternehmen gelten als verlässlich und planbar für Einkommensinvestoren.
- Je länger die Serie, desto stärker das Commitment gegenüber den Aktionären.
📘 Umsatz
📈 Was ist das?
Der Umsatz zeigt, wie viel ein Unternehmen insgesamt mit seinen Produkten und Dienstleistungen verdient – also den Bruttoerlös vor Abzug von Kosten.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der Umsatz ist eine der zentralen Kennzahlen zur Einschätzung der Unternehmensgröße, Marktstellung und Wachstumskraft.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein wachsender Umsatz zeigt eine steigende Nachfrage und kann ein guter Frühindikator für Gewinnsteigerungen sein.
- Vergleiche von aktuellem und erwartetem Umsatz geben Hinweise auf das Marktumfeld und Analystenerwartungen.
- Wichtig: Starker Umsatz allein genügt nicht – auch Margen und Profitabilität zählen.
📘 EBITDA
📈 Was ist das?
EBITDA steht für „Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation and Amortization“ – also Gewinn vor Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen. Es zeigt das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens, bereinigt um bilanztechnische und finanzierungsbedingte Effekte.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
EBITDA ist eine verbreitete Kennzahl zur Beurteilung der operativen Leistungsfähigkeit – insbesondere bei kapitalintensiven Unternehmen oder im internationalen Vergleich.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hohes oder wachsendes EBITDA spricht für starke operative Erträge – unabhängig von Bilanzierung oder Steuerlast.
- EBITDA ist besonders nützlich, um Unternehmen branchenübergreifend zu vergleichen.
- Wichtig: EBITDA ist keine offizielle Gewinnkennzahl – Abschreibungen und Finanzierungskosten werden ausgeklammert.
📘 EBIT
📈 Was ist das?
EBIT steht für „Earnings Before Interest and Taxes“ – also Gewinn vor Zinsen und Steuern. Es zeigt das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens nach Abschreibungen, aber vor Finanzierungs- und Steueraufwand.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
EBIT ist eine zentrale Kennzahl zur Beurteilung der Profitabilität aus dem Kerngeschäft – unabhängig von Kapitalstruktur oder Steuersystem.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hohes EBIT deutet auf ein profitables Kerngeschäft hin – vor Zinslasten oder steuerlichen Effekten.
- Es erlaubt objektivere Vergleiche zwischen Unternehmen mit unterschiedlicher Finanzierung.
- Im Vergleich mit EBITDA zeigt EBIT bereits den Einfluss von Abschreibungen auf das operative Ergebnis.
📘 Nettogewinn
📈 Was ist das?
Der Nettogewinn ist der verbleibende Jahresüberschuss (oder -fehlbetrag) eines Unternehmens – nach Abzug aller Kosten, Steuern, Zinsen und Abschreibungen
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der Nettogewinn ist die zentrale Erfolgskennzahl – er zeigt, wie profitabel ein Unternehmen nach allen Kosten tatsächlich arbeitet.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein steigender Nettogewinn zeigt, dass das Unternehmen effizient wirtschaftet – trotz aller Kosten.
- Die Entwicklung des Gewinns beeinflusst z. B. direkt das KGV und weitere Kennzahlen.
- Im Zeitverlauf lässt sich ablesen, wie stabil und profitabel ein Geschäftsmodell wirklich ist.
📘 Free Cashflow (FCF)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Free Cashflow gibt Aufschluss über die echte finanzielle Stärke eines Unternehmens – unabhängig von Bilanzierungsregeln. Er zeigt, wie viel Spielraum für Dividenden, Aktienrückkäufe oder Schuldenabbau besteht.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
FCF reflects a company’s real financial strength – regardless of accounting profits. It shows how much flexibility a company has for dividends, share buybacks, or debt reduction.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Free Cashflow bedeutet, dass ein Unternehmen echte Finanzkraft besitzt – unabhängig vom bilanzierten Gewinn.
- Er ist oft die solideste Grundlage für nachhaltige Dividenden und Aktienrückkäufe.
- Sinkender FCF kann ein Warnsignal sein – auch wenn der Gewinn stabil aussieht.
📘 Umsatzwachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Umsatzwachstum zeigt, wie stark sich die Erlöse eines Unternehmens im Vergleich zum Vorjahr verändert haben – tatsächlich (TTM) und auf Prognosebasis (erwartet).
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (Umsatz erwartet ÷ Umsatz Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Erwartetes Wachstum basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Ein wachsender Umsatz ist ein zentrales Signal für steigende Nachfrage, Geschäftsausweitung und Marktanteilsgewinne – besonders bei Wachstumsunternehmen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Wachstum ist der Motor langfristiger Wertsteigerung – besonders bei Technologie- und Wachstumsaktien.
- Wichtig ist nicht nur das aktuelle Wachstum, sondern auch dessen Nachhaltigkeit.
- Prognosen zeigen, ob Analysten weiteres Potenzial erwarten – oder eine Verlangsamung.
📘 EBITDA-Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das EBITDA-Wachstum zeigt, wie stark das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens vor Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen im Vergleich zum Vorjahr gestiegen oder gesunken ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (erwartetes EBITDA ÷ EBITDA Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Erwartetes Wachstum basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Ein steigendes EBITDA ist ein Zeichen für verbesserte operative Ertragskraft – unabhängig von Finanzierungsstruktur oder Abschreibungen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Starkes EBITDA-Wachstum signalisiert operative Effizienz und Skalierung – besonders relevant in Wachstumsphasen.
- EBITDA-Wachstum ist ein Frühindikator für Margen- und Gewinnentwicklung – sollte aber stets im Zusammenhang mit Umsatz und EBIT betrachtet werden.
📘 EBIT Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das EBIT-Wachstum zeigt, wie stark das operative Ergebnis eines Unternehmens (nach Abschreibungen, aber vor Zinsen und Steuern) im Vergleich zum Vorjahr gewachsen ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (erwartetes EBIT ÷ EBIT Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Erwartetes Wachstum basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Das EBIT-Wachstum ist ein direkter Indikator für die wirtschaftliche Entwicklung des operativen Geschäfts – unter Berücksichtigung der Kapitalintensität (Abschreibungen).
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Steigendes EBIT signalisiert wachsende operative Rentabilität – auch unter Berücksichtigung von Abschreibungen.
- Das EBIT-Wachstum ist ein wichtiges Maß zur Beurteilung von Geschäftsmodellen mit hohen Investitionskosten.
- Im Zusammenspiel mit Umsatz- und EBITDA-Wachstum ergibt sich ein umfassendes Bild zur operativen Entwicklung.
📘 Nettogewinn-Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Nettogewinn-Wachstum zeigt, wie stark der Jahresüberschuss eines Unternehmens gegenüber dem Vorjahr gestiegen oder gesunken ist – sowohl tatsächlich (TTM) als auch auf Basis von Prognosen (erwartet).
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Erwartet = (erwarteter Nettogewinn ÷ Nettogewinn Vorjahr − 1) × 100
Der erwartete Wert basiert auf Analystenschätzungen für das laufende Geschäftsjahr.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der Gewinn ist die entscheidende Ergebnisgröße für ein Unternehmen. Ein wachsender Nettogewinn deutet auf steigende Effizienz, stabile Kostenkontrolle und nachhaltige Ertragskraft hin.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Wachsender Nettogewinn stärkt die Bewertung, Dividendenfähigkeit und Kursfantasie.
- Stagnierender oder rückläufiger Gewinn trotz Umsatzwachstum kann auf Margendruck hinweisen.
📘 Free Cashflow-Wachstum
📈 Was ist das?
Das Free-Cashflow-Wachstum zeigt, wie sich der freie Mittelzufluss eines Unternehmens im Vergleich zum Vorjahr verändert hat – also der Betrag, der nach allen operativen Ausgaben und Investitionen übrig bleibt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Free Cashflow ist der echte, verfügbare Geldzufluss. Wachstum in diesem Bereich ist ein Zeichen für finanzielle Stärke und steigende Flexibilität bei Dividenden, Rückkäufen oder Investitionen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Sinkender Free Cashflow kann auf steigende Investitionen, höhere Kosten oder stagnierende operative Erträge hindeuten.
- Besonders bei Dividendenwerten ist das FCF-Wachstum wichtig – denn Dividenden werden letztlich aus dem verfügbaren Cash gezahlt.
- Ein negativer Trend sollte genauer analysiert werden – er ist nicht zwangsläufig schlecht, aber potenziell ein Warnsignal.
📘 Bruttomarge
📈 Was ist das?
Die Bruttomarge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz nach Abzug der direkten Herstellungskosten (Material, Produktion) als Bruttogewinn übrig bleibt – also der „Rohgewinn“ eines Unternehmens.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Auch: Bruttomarge = Bruttogewinn ÷ Umsatz × 100
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Bruttomarge gibt Aufschluss über die Profitabilität eines Produkts oder Geschäftsmodells vor Fixkosten, Steuern und Zinsen. Sie zeigt, wie effizient ein Unternehmen produzieren oder einkaufen kann.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Bruttomarge deutet auf starke Preissetzungsmacht und effiziente Herstellung hin.
- Sinkende Bruttomargen können auf Kostensteigerungen oder Preisdruck hindeuten.
- Besonders im Vergleich zu Wettbewerbern liefert die Bruttomarge wertvolle Einblicke in die Geschäftsqualität.
📘 EBITDA-Marge
📈 Was ist das?
Die EBITDA-Marge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz als operativer Gewinn vor Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen (EBITDA) übrig bleibt. Sie misst die operative Effizienz – ohne Verzerrungen durch Finanzierung oder Buchwerte.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die EBITDA-Marge hilft zu verstehen, wie viel operativer Gewinn ein Unternehmen aus jedem Euro Umsatz erzielt – unabhängig von Kapitalstruktur oder steuerlichem Umfeld.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe EBITDA-Marge zeigt starke operative Ertragskraft – unabhängig von Bilanzierungseffekten.
- Die Marge ermöglicht gute Vergleiche zwischen Unternehmen und Branchen.
- Ein stabiler oder wachsender Wert kann auf effiziente Kostenkontrolle und Skalierbarkeit hindeuten.
📘 EBIT-Marge
📈 Was ist das?
Die EBIT-Marge zeigt, wie viel Prozent des Umsatzes als operativer Gewinn nach Abschreibungen, aber vor Zinsen und Steuern übrig bleiben.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die EBIT-Marge misst die operative Ertragskraft eines Unternehmens unter Berücksichtigung der Kapitalintensität (z. B. Maschinen, Anlagen). Sie eignet sich gut zum Vergleich von Geschäftsmodellen mit unterschiedlich hohen Abschreibungen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe EBIT-Marge zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen auch nach Abschreibungen effizient arbeitet.
- Sie ist besonders relevant in kapitalintensiven Branchen.
- Langfristig stabile oder steigende Margen sind ein Zeichen wirtschaftlicher Stärke und Preissetzungsmacht.
📘 Nettomarge
📈 Was ist das?
Die Nettomarge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz am Ende als „Reingewinn“ übrig bleibt – also nach Abzug aller Kosten, Zinsen, Steuern und Abschreibungen.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Nettomarge gibt an, wie effizient ein Unternehmen über alle Stufen hinweg wirtschaftet. Sie zeigt, wie viel Gewinn tatsächlich je Euro Umsatz übrig bleibt.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Nettomarge zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen nicht nur operativ stark ist, sondern auch seine Finanzierung und Steuerbelastung im Griff hat.
- Vergleiche mit Wettbewerbern geben Einblicke in die wirtschaftliche Qualität.
- Sinkende Nettomargen trotz Umsatzwachstum können ein Warnsignal sein – etwa für steigende Kosten oder sinkende Effizienz.
📘 Free Cashflow Marge
📈 Was ist das?
Die Free-Cashflow-Marge zeigt, wie viel vom Umsatz nach Abzug aller operativen Ausgaben und Investitionen tatsächlich als freier Mittelzufluss übrig bleibt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Marge misst die echte Liquidität, die ein Unternehmen erwirtschaftet – unabhängig von Bilanzierungsregeln oder Abschreibungen. Sie ist besonders relevant für Dividenden, Rückkäufe und Investitionen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Free-Cashflow-Marge zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen nachhaltig liquide Mittel erwirtschaftet.
- Sie ist ein starkes Signal für finanzielle Stabilität und Ausschüttungspotenzial.
- Wichtig ist der langfristige Trend – sinkende Werte können auf steigende Investitionen oder rückläufige operative Effizienz hindeuten.
📘 Eigenkapitalquote
📈 Was ist das?
Die Eigenkapitalquote zeigt, wie hoch der Anteil des Eigenkapitals an der Bilanzsumme eines Unternehmens ist – also wie stark es sich aus eigenen Mitteln finanziert.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Eine hohe Eigenkapitalquote steht für finanzielle Stabilität, Krisenfestigkeit und gute Bonität. Sie ist besonders relevant bei der Beurteilung der Verschuldung.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Eigenkapitalquote signalisiert finanzielle Stabilität – besonders in Krisenzeiten.
- Ein niedriger Wert kann auf ein höheres Risiko oder eine aggressive Verschuldung hinweisen.
- Wichtig: Die Eigenkapitalquote sollte immer gemeinsam mit der Eigenkapitalrendite betrachtet werden. Nur so lässt sich beurteilen, ob ein Unternehmen nicht nur solide, sondern auch effizient wirtschaftet.
📘 Eigenkapitalrendite (ROE)
📈 Was ist das?
Die Eigenkapitalrendite zeigt, wie effizient ein Unternehmen mit dem Kapital seiner Aktionäre arbeitet – also wie viel Gewinn es pro Euro Eigenkapital erwirtschaftet.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Eigenkapitalrendite ist eine zentrale Rentabilitätskennzahl. Sie hilft Anlegern zu erkennen, ob das Unternehmen eine attraktive Verzinsung auf das eingesetzte Eigenkapital erwirtschaftet.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Eine hohe Eigenkapitalrendite spricht für ein starkes, effizientes Geschäftsmodell.
- Besonders interessant ist sie bei kapitalintensiven Firmen oder solchen mit hoher Eigenkapitalquote.
- Wichtig: Ein sehr hoher ROE kann auch auf hohe Schulden hinweisen – daher sollte sie immer im Kontext mit der Eigenkapitalquote betrachtet werden.
📘 Return on Capital Employed (ROCE)
📈 Was ist das?
ROCE misst die Gesamtrentabilität eines Unternehmens – also wie effizient es das eingesetzte Kapital (Eigen- und Fremdkapital) zur Gewinnerzielung nutzt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Das eingesetzte Kapital ist das gesamte betriebsnotwendige Kapital, unabhängig von der Finanzierungsquelle.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
ROCE eignet sich besonders gut für den Vergleich unterschiedlich finanzierter Unternehmen. Es zeigt, wie effektiv ein Unternehmen Kapital investiert – unabhängig von der Kapitalstruktur.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher ROCE zeigt, dass ein Unternehmen sein Kapital effizient einsetzt – unabhängig davon, ob es durch Eigen- oder Fremdkapital finanziert ist.
- Je höher der ROCE im Vergleich zu ähnlichen Unternehmen, desto mehr Wert schafft das Unternehmen mit seinem investierten Kapital.
- Besonders wichtig ist der ROCE bei Firmen mit hohen Investitionen – z. B. in Industrie, Energie oder Infrastruktur.
📘 Return on Invested Capital (ROIC)
📈 Was ist das?
ROIC zeigt, wie effizient ein Unternehmen das Kapital investiert, das langfristig im operativen Geschäft gebunden ist – unabhängig davon, ob es aus Eigen- oder Fremdkapital stammt.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
- NOPAT = „Net Operating Profit After Taxes“
- Investiertes Kapital = operatives Vermögen abzüglich nicht-verzinster Schulden
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
ROIC ist eine der präzisesten Kennzahlen zur Bewertung der Kapitalrendite – besonders im Vergleich zur Eigenkapitalrendite, weil es Verzerrungen durch Schulden vermeidet. Er zeigt, ob ein Unternehmen Mehrwert für alle Kapitalgeber schafft.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher ROIC zeigt, wie gut ein Unternehmen mit dem tatsächlich investierten (betriebsnotwendigen) Kapital wirtschaftet.
- Im Unterschied zu ROCE wird nur Kapital betrachtet, das wirklich zur Finanzierung operativer Aktivitäten dient – und verzinst werden muss.
- Besonders hilfreich, um die Kapitalrendite von Unternehmen mit viel „überschüssigem“ Kapital oder zinsfreien Verbindlichkeiten realistisch zu vergleichen.
📘 Verschuldungsgrad (Leverage Ratio)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Verschuldungsgrad zeigt, wie stark ein Unternehmen durch verzinsliche Schulden (z. B. Kredite und Anleihen) im Verhältnis zum Eigenkapital finanziert ist.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Die Kennzahl hilft, das finanzielle Risiko und die Abhängigkeit von Fremdkapital zu beurteilen. Ein hoher Verschuldungsgrad kann die Eigenkapitalrendite steigern – birgt aber auch erhöhte Risiken bei Zinsanstiegen oder Liquiditätsengpässen.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriger Verschuldungsgrad steht für finanzielle Stabilität und Unabhängigkeit.
- Ein hoher Wert kann auf erhöhte Risiken hinweisen – insbesondere bei schwankenden Zinsen oder konjunkturellen Schwächen.
- Wichtig: Immer im Kontext zur Branche und Kapitalintensität bewerten.
📘 Ergebnis je Aktie (EPS)
📈 Was ist das?
Das Ergebnis je Aktie (EPS) zeigt, wie viel Gewinn auf eine einzelne Aktie entfällt – und ist eine der wichtigsten Kennzahlen zur Bewertung von Unternehmen.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Die verwässerte Aktienanzahl berücksichtigt auch potenzielle neue Aktien, etwa durch Optionen, Wandelanleihen oder andere Umtauschrechte.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
EPS bildet die Basis für viele Bewertungskennzahlen wie KGV, PEG oder Payout Ratio. Es macht den Gewinn für Aktionäre vergleichbar – unabhängig von der Unternehmensgröße.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- EPS hilft, die Profitabilität pro Aktie zu erfassen – und ist besonders wichtig im Zeitvergleich oder im Vergleich mit Analystenschätzungen.
- Steigendes EPS kann ein Zeichen für stabiles Wachstum oder Aktienrückkäufe sein.
- Wichtig: Verwende verwässertes EPS für realistische Bewertungen – besonders bei stark aktienbasierten Vergütungssystemen.
📘 Free Cashflow je Aktie (FCF je Aktie)
📈 Was ist das?
Der Free Cashflow je Aktie zeigt, wie viel freier Mittelzufluss einem Unternehmen pro Aktie zur Verfügung steht – nach Investitionen, aber vor Dividenden oder Schuldentilgung.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Der FCF je Aktie zeigt, wie viel liquide Mittel pro Aktie tatsächlich im Unternehmen verbleiben – wichtig für Dividenden, Aktienrückkäufe oder Schuldentilgung. Im Gegensatz zum Gewinn ist er schwerer manipulierbar und daher besonders aussagekräftig.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Free Cashflow je Aktie ist ein Zeichen für hohe finanzielle Flexibilität.
- Er zeigt, wie viel Kapital ein Unternehmen effektiv einsetzen oder ausschütten kann.
- Besonders relevant für dividendenstarke Unternehmen oder solche mit starker Kapitalrendite.
📘 Short Interest
📈 Was ist das?
Short Interest zeigt, wie viele Aktien eines Unternehmens aktuell leerverkauft wurden – also von Investoren geliehen und verkauft, in der Erwartung fallender Kurse.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Der Wert zeigt den Anteil der Aktien, der aktuell auf fallende Kurse spekuliert wird.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Short Interest dient als Stimmungsindikator: Ein hoher Wert deutet auf Skepsis oder negative Erwartungen gegenüber dem Unternehmen hin – kann aber auch zu einem „Short Squeeze“ führen, wenn der Kurs plötzlich steigt.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein niedriger Short Interest deutet auf Vertrauen in das Unternehmen hin.
- Ein hoher Wert kann ein Warnsignal sein – oder eine Chance, wenn sich die Stimmung dreht.
- Besonders spannend in volatilen Märkten oder vor wichtigen Quartalszahlen.
📘 Employees
📈 Was ist das?
Die Mitarbeiteranzahl zeigt, wie viele Personen ein Unternehmen weltweit beschäftigt – ein Indikator für Größe, Struktur und Geschäftsmodell.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Sie hilft bei der Einschätzung von Skaleneffekten, Effizienz und Personalkosten. Zusammen mit Umsatz und Gewinn lassen sich Kennzahlen wie Produktivität je Mitarbeiter ableiten.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Viele Mitarbeiter bedeuten große operative Komplexität – aber auch hohes Umsatzpotenzial.
- Produktivität je Mitarbeiter ist ein wichtiger Indikator für Effizienz.
- Besonders spannend bei stark wachsenden Tech- oder Industrieunternehmen.
📘 Umsatz je Mitarbeiter
📈 Was ist das?
Der Umsatz je Mitarbeiter zeigt, wie viel Erlös ein Unternehmen durchschnittlich pro Beschäftigtem erwirtschaftet – eine Kennzahl für Effizienz und Produktivität.
🧮 Wie wird es berechnet?
Die Mitarbeiterzahl stammt in der Regel aus dem letzten verfügbaren Jahresbericht.
🏛️ Wofür ist es wichtig?
Diese Kennzahl hilft, Geschäftsmodelle zu vergleichen – insbesondere zwischen arbeitsintensiven und technologiegetriebenen Unternehmen. Ein hoher Wert deutet auf Automatisierung, Effizienz oder hohen Wertschöpfungsanteil hin.
🧮 Berechnung
🎯 Was bedeutet das für Anleger?
- Ein hoher Umsatz je Mitarbeiter spricht für ein skalierbares und margenstarkes Geschäftsmodell.
- Ein niedriger Wert kann auf arbeitsintensive Prozesse oder geringere Wertschöpfung hinweisen.
- Besonders hilfreich beim Vergleich von Tech- vs. Industrieunternehmen.
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BCE Inc. — J.P. Morgan 54th Annual Global Technology
1. Question Answer
Good morning, everyone. I'm Sebastiano Petti, and I cover the Telecom, Cable, and Satellite Space for JPMorgan. I want to welcome BCE CFO, Curtis Millen. Curtis, thanks for being with us today.
Thanks for having me. Good morning, everyone.
Great. So just to kick us off, BCE has undergone significant transformation over the past year. You reset the dividend, you've acquired Ziply, launched Bell AI Fabric, which has a lot of momentum and sure to touch on. You also laid out a clear 3-year framework at the Investor Day. So now that you're 1 quarter into that plan and the growth vectors are becoming more visible, how should you frame, I guess, the strategic opportunity from here for investors who still may think of BCE as a traditional Cable and Telecom? And I guess, where is the management team spending most of their time?
Yes. Ultimately, we're executing the plan that we laid out at our Investor Day in October. So as you say, we're 3 months into a 36-month plan. And yes, you raised the AI Fabric. And ultimately, AI Fabric might be a faster time line than we expected. We're about 40% of the way there. At Investor Day, we talked about 73 megawatts. We've monetized 300 megawatts on the side, plus 28.7 megawatts out of the 73 megawatts. So that opportunity seems to be coming faster than certainly we baked in, in October at our Investor Day, again, being fairly conservative in what we wanted to bake into the model, knowing that we're having conversations in terms of securing power where we secured up to 800 megawatts.
Obviously, we're trying to secure even more than that. But that market, that industry is moving pretty quickly. But ultimately, we're executing the plan as we can rip costs and spend away from legacy product, legacy network, legacy processes, and pivot into more and more kind of next-gen products and services, whether it's digital media, whether it's AI Fabric, whether it's fiber investments, I mean, that's the plan. And again, we're allocating capital to where the best value is and the best returns are.
All right. Well, yes, so sticking with Bell AI Fabric and just Bell business for a minute. So I just want to touch on the comments around just line of sight into the 800 megawatts. So on the call, you talked about monetizing the 800 over time. You just touched on already having 40% of the way through that. So maybe, I guess, I think also Mirko expressed a very high degree of confidence underscored by the conversations you were having with significant potential customers. So help us understand the demand funnel. What types of customers are driving that interest? And how do you think about the mix between hyperscalers, sovereign or government workloads and maybe enterprise customers?
Yes, interesting. So look, I think the most important thing is securing access to power and time to power. If you look around North America, for sure, there's not that much available power. So Canada winds up being fairly interesting market because there is a lot of power generation that's not already sold, not already taken up by the enterprise demand. So access to power, very important. Our role in the Canadian ecosystem for nearly 150 years really positions us well, especially in a world where the Sovereign AI use cases are still ramping up.
But the sovereign nature of assets winds up being important and important for decisions as to allocation of power and power in Canada, largely owned and controlled by governments or quasi-government organizations. So we are right place, right time in terms of that. And we don't love it during the winter, but it's a pretty cool place to go. So as a market for power generation, Canada is a pretty interesting place to be. And given our relationship and ability to build out an AI ecosystem as we've done in, frankly, 11 months since we let folks know we're working on AI Fabric is a pretty good spot to be.
So on Saskatchewan, you described it as a fully contracted take-or-pay 300-megawatt facility with an IRR of approximately 20%, and with additional upside as you think about the Sovereign workloads. So construction is underway, equipment is ordered. I guess, can you walk us through, I guess, the key execution milestones between now and the first revenue? And what are the gating factors? And how should we think about, I guess, perhaps the $400 million in prepayments, setup fees, et cetera?
Yes. So you're right. The revenue side of this, the EBITDA side of this is contractual. So we just need to deliver the facility. As you said, so 96% of the equipment has purchase orders on budget, penalties if the equipment is late in being delivered. So I feel pretty good about that. And then you start looking at just regular construction milestones; so we're prefabricating walls off-site. We'll move those on site. But think of this as get walls up, connect power. And ultimately, what we're doing is its shell, right? I mean we're building a shell in a flat floor, connecting the HVAC chillers, coolers, and the gensets. Our tenants are doing the more detailed electrical work connecting their servers and racks.
And then you had talked about earlier, sorry, I didn't answer your question about who the other tenants would be. Tenants like what we have. So Cerebras, CoreWeave and then ultimately hyperscalers. So the Sovereign AI of it that you asked about, we do have the ability to claw back use cases for Sovereign purposes. It would still be in the facility. It would just mean off-taker would have to move to a different facility. So we're not taking the Sovereign AI risk, but certainly, when the upside is there, we'll be in the right place to capitalize on it. So not quite the direct off-taker yet, but that's why we sold all 300 megawatts to Cerebras and CoreWeave from day 1.
Maybe for some of the folks in the audience and for myself, at least having covered the Canadian ecosystem, but just to try to understand the nuance in the market. There is power within Canada that's unique as you -- coming out of recent -- another session here that's a gating factor for a lot of the AI data center builds and what have you. But do you think this model of -- because a lot of the power is government or quasi-government controlled in Canada.
Do you think this is a model that probably is replicable as you go forward of there's probably going -- if we think about U.S. or non-Canadian AI platforms moving NeoCloud moving -- maybe taking advantage of some of the power in Canada, do you see this model of like, hey, this is your megawatt capacity, but perhaps leaving some for sovereign workloads or being able to perhaps claw back some of that power, some of those megawatts. Is that probably something like a model that probably gets replicated in the future as you think about eating into or some of this demand?
I mean, ultimately, the demand is there. So I certainly think the model is scalable. The -- and look, there -- again, we have line of sight into 800 megawatts of power. There's more than that in Canada. Obviously, we're having conversations to get more access to that. The demand is scalable. The business model is scalable. TBD a little bit on how fast the Sovereign AI use cases drives demand.
So whether or not you have to reserve some infrastructure to kind of change the chicken-and-egg problem historically of the infrastructure requirement to drive use cases and then back around. So again, I know that Sovereign AI use cases for government entities and heavily regulated entities will be there. I can't really underwrite is that 2 months, 6 months, a year, 2 years. It's certainly going to happen. We're in the right place. But until then, we'll keep scaling the other side of the business and driving infrastructure investment in Canada.
And then I think Mirko touched on the possibility of securing additional power beyond the 800 megawatts. Can you give us a sense of where those incremental opportunities might come from geographically? And how you're thinking about the capital commitment required relative to your leverage targets?
Yes. Each province generates their own power. So not to say we're talking to everyone across the map, but we're going to talk to everyone across the map ultimately. And then capital requirements, ultimately, we're not going to do anything to jeopardize our 3.5x target by 2027. Saskatchewan is leverage-neutral once it's up and running. So the economics are quite strong. If we're in a scenario where there's just too much demand that we can't afford it all ourselves, then we'll manage that with third parties.
We're obviously aware of, a, partnerships that we've already signed in other business lines; and b, what's happening in the U.S. and in Europe, especially. So I do think there are opportunities. The ability to fund and come up with partners is not a gating factor for us, ultimately -- gating factor is making sure that we land power and the revenue contracts at the same time because we're in the business of deploying capital, but de-risking the time line as we deploy capital like in Saskatchewan, we're announcing construction plans and a contract when we already have the contracted revenue and EBITDA. So, we're just overall, in this environment, looking to de-risk the overall CapEx spend.
Got it. And just thinking about the remaining megawatts, the remaining 427 megawatts that isn't yet contracted, should we think that this IRR threshold of 20% similar to Saskatchewan? Is that what you're targeting? And I guess, how do you think about the risk-return trade-off?
It's yes, that is what we're targeting. And look, there's a dislocation between the risk reward where we're getting a risk-adjusted return. And at the same time, we already have contracts signed. So it's not a build-it-and-they-will-come. It's a -- we'll build it after we've already signed revenue contracts. And we're not spending money, as you know, on the actual chipset. So it is a very contractual business for us. And increasingly, as we build fiber and AI data centers, our business starts looking a lot more infrastructure-heavy versus competitors in Canada and the U.S.
And how should we think about the ancillary revenue opportunities from Bell AI Fabric? I think Mirko described it as a full-stack, Canadian-controlled AI platform. So, how do you think about that revenue opportunity above and beyond some of the core data center economics we've been discussing so far?
I think you described it exactly accurately. It's all upside for us. So whether it's fiber connectivity, which again, is important in an AI world, obviously, lowest latency makes sense, and we are a fiber builder. We own fiber in Canada. So that's upside for us. Cybersecurity, again, wildly important in an AI world. Bell Cyber is a leading provider of cybersecurity in Canada. We'll wrap that around sales as well.
And then our Ateko business is a managed service professional service, think consulting business for cloud migration, workflow management. So again, important for us to secure powered and make things easy for the ultimate clients as we develop the full AI stack. Some of it we own and control with our expertise. And then, of course, we're going to partner with the Canadian LLM champion, Cohere, Coveo, hyperscalers, which is what we've done for 150 years.
We bring our own specific expertise product by product. And then the overlap expertise is the fact that we can provide end-to-end solutions for our customers. So technology is different, but what we bring to the table with our 150 years of relationships and trust is exactly what's helping us secure power and deliver AI in whether Sovereign or normal use cases in Canada.
And I think zooming out for a second here, as we think about Bell Business Markets, stripping out AI Fabric, I think Ateko and Bell Cyber collectively grew north of 30%. I mean how durable is that organic growth rate? And I guess, what's the pipeline or visibility like for those 2 businesses?
Yes. Well, look, I expect it to continue to grow quite healthily. And if you strip out the AI Fabric revenue in Q1, it was enterprise business was still flat year-over-year, which on a relative basis is still quite strong. And fundamentally, that's because we're managing our core business, but we're also driving growth in Cyber and in Ateko. And if you look at the macro trends, I don't think cybersecurity is becoming any less important.
I think, if anything, the complicated nature of our systems and the kind of ability and desire for companies like Bell and other bigger companies in Canada and U.S. as well to drive efficiencies off of platforms like Salesforce, ServiceNow and Hyperscalers is doing nothing, but getting more important. I mean, let's face it, we're all spending money on these platforms, and we need to drive the value out of those contracts and Ateko helps you do that.
And how should we think about the margin profile of Bell Business Markets as the mix shift towards some of these higher-growth solutions?
Yes. I'm expecting it to be relatively flat. I mean AI Fabric comes in at pretty high margins. The cybersecurity solid margins. Ultimately, on the MSPs side of the world, they offset each other. But ultimately, overall enterprise business, I expect to keep delivering margins.
So now shifting to the Wireless business for a minute here. I think after 3 consecutive quarters of year-on-year improvements in churn, postpaid churn reversed in the first quarter, which I think you guys attributed to just higher number -- higher switching kind of given some of the aggressive competitive offers that were out there. But you've also talked about optimizing your offer strategy for customer lifetime value rather than just chasing volume. So help walk us through the competitive dynamics that maybe you're seeing today? And I guess what gives you confidence the improving trend will resume over time.
Yes. I do think I am still confident. We're still confident that our churn profile improves over time. We all operate in the same market. If you look at our churn impact relative to our competitor churn impact, year-over-year, our churn performance was much better year-over-year than theirs. And look, that's a factor of lots and lots of blocking and tackling and to just overall drive customer experience, right? I mean, number of billing systems from 18 down to 2, just making it right with the customer the first time, like making sure that the truck roll has the install and everything is working from day 1.
Overall, blocking and tackling, customer experience has just improved over time. Customer complaints have gone down. Our share of customer complaints has gone down. But overall, just a focus on driving a better experience for our customers. I mean, driving more and more bundled households keeps improving churn. And ultimately, if you're selling fiber, we're selling other products also, but you're selling fiber. It is just a better technology. It's a better product. So over time, to be able to reduce our churn relative to cable operators, I mean, absolutely, I expect that.
And then on the fiber side, have you changed anything in your offer strategy to kind of help reduce the churn as well, whether it be, I think, contracts or something along those lines?
Well, thanks for the prompt. It is the first time we actually offer wireline contracts. So if we're 40% bundled, wireline contracts are going to help us on the wireless churn side as well. And the other thing that helps us, we used to sell mobility and Internet separately. Now it's mobility and Internet bundle, but content is also part of the bundle in Canada, a little less important in the U.S., I understand.
But in Canada, especially on the streaming service side, and we own Crave, which has our own content, but HBO, STARZ, Showtime content. So the -- we call it [ MI&C ], the Mobility, Internet and Content bundle also helps reduce churn on Internet and cell phones. And for us, we have a cost advantage because we're the owner-operator of Bell Media, so the streaming service itself.
Now shifting to mobile phone ARPU, down 0.8% in the first quarter, an improvement relative to fourth quarter's decline. But on the call, I think Mirko had touched on in the fourth quarter that he thought it would be possible to show some moderation in ARPU growth or show moderate ARPU growth rather by the time you exited 2026. But obviously, recent pricing environment probably makes that a little bit more difficult. I guess, is that a 2027 story at this point in terms of ARPU inflecting back to positivity?
Yes. I think that's right. Again, April looks pretty good. It looks like Q3, Q4 of last year, but 1 month doesn't yet make a trend. So we sat on the sidelines for part of the activity, but you can't sit out for the entire quarter. Ultimately, yes, you just get pushed out by an extra couple of quarters. And when you see total ARPU growth depends on what the industry does over the next few months. So it's hard to pinpoint a specific month, but I'd call it 2027.
And ultimately, I'd say on the contracts that were signed in Q1, kind of fine. There was a bit more bring your own device activity than contracted activity, and there's a bit of an impact on your ARPU, obviously, because that's just the math of it. But the more BYOD you have, you don't actually spend the COA and our Wireless margins actually went up. So there's a little bit of a disconnect between your ARPU performance and your margins. But again, long-term health of the industry, BYOD should remain relatively flat to what it had been second half of last year.
And is it a similar time line as we think about Wireless service revenue inflecting back to positivity?
Yes, probably in and around the same time line. Overage and usage, tough to know if it's flattened out year-over-year, the trend is better. So we'll see. But I mean, the biggest impact, obviously, is the -- what you're signing folks up to on a monthly rate.
Got it. And makes sense. As we think about industry growth, I think you and your peers have described a maturing market, right, maturing Canadian Wireless Market, growing at low single-digit rate, obviously, driven by lower population growth, but still steady penetration increases. How do you think the industry's volume? How do you think about the industry's volume growth from here? Do we need to see policy changes out of Ottawa before seeing improvements in subscriber growth?
**** No, I think you'll continue to see subscriber growth. I don't think it's going to be what it was 5 years ago when immigration new-to-category, new-to-Canada. We were at all-time highs, but our handset penetration has lagged the U.S. and Europe for the last 30 years. There's no real good explanation for it, but we've just been behind on the curve. So the increased penetration will continue to happen over time. And again, Canada in the medium term is going to be a net immigration positive country. If you look at our history, that's certainly driven a lot of population growth. It's just not over the next couple of years. So we're not baking that into the model. But over the medium term, for sure, it's going to be a driver.
And lots of focus on direct-to-device these days. And you mentioned excitement about the AST SpaceMobile partnership from a direct-to-device connectivity perspective. How do we think about the time line for commercial launch? And could this be a meaningful churn reduction tool as well over time?
Yes. It's all of the above type benefits. I mean I do think it's churn reduction. And it's overall just a positive for consumers. I appreciate that in Canada, it's a little bit different than what telcos in the U.S. are thinking about when they're confronting LEO. But for us, it's a positive in terms of, as you say, churn reduction and just an added-value service, right?
So whether you live in a bit more remote area, whether you live in urban and you have a cottage that's outside of wireless coverage, I mean it's -- we look at it as retention, acquisition, and ARPU increase as well. So ultimately, it is just a good product. And longer term, we'll have to see how that actually shapes our ability to reduce some of our legacy copper footprint along the way. But for the shorter-term, I think it's just a benefit for consumers, which benefits us.
Got it. And shifting gears to the broadband business. You added close to 43,000 residential fiber-to-the-home net subscribers in Canada in Q1. And combined with Ziply, we're close to 50,000 net adds. At the same time, the Canadian fiber build is slowing, but how should we think about the trajectory of Internet loadings from here? I mean, how do you balance the strong penetration economics of your existing footprint against the slower industry growth backdrop?
Yes. Our fiber footprint continues to drive net adds, right? I mean it was 43,000 in Q1. It was 45,000 in the quarter 4, 48,000 the quarter before that. So fiber continues to win market share. Where we have fiber, we capture 50% plus of the market. And over the last 3, 4 years, there are a couple of million new homes that aren't fully penetrated. So I think you see just natural continued ramp-up. And ultimately, we have 75% of the wireline footprint in Canada. So it will pull forward wireless for us, but it certainly isn't fully penetrated. And frankly, I don't really see much of a ceiling. It's just a better technology.
And so how would you describe or what's the latest in terms of the competitive environment in your Wireline footprint? Any change?
I'd say fairly stable, right? I mean our competitors came out with Internet revenue growth that seemed pretty good for them. Our Internet growth in Q1 was over 2%, 2.2%. So it's a pretty good market.
And then shifting gears to the U.S. fiber market. I think the expectation is that subscriber momentum will accelerate as construction ramps from here. But you're focused more on the 2027 and 2028 financials. So maybe help us bridge the gap between the slower near-term subscriber trajectory and your confidence or your conviction in the 2027, 2028 ramp. I guess what specifically changes in the back-half of this year? And I guess, how should we think about the cadence of passings and penetration from here?
No. Look, you're spot on. Build engine is the biggest driver of value for us at this point. So 1.4 million fiber locations passed, looking to get to 3 million by the end of 2028. So the biggest driver of value for us in the U.S. is actually building out the fiber footprint. I mean the -- it's really consistent in terms of being able to drive penetration of new fiber footprint. So the biggest driver for us is literally ramping up that build engine. And as you say, that will continue to ramp up through '26, especially as we leverage the partnership with PSP, continue to ramp up in '27 and hit our 3 million homes by the end of 2028. And again, as soon as you build out fiber, the data and Internet subscribers follow from there.
And any -- again, reiterating you just did the 3 million by 2028, 8 million longer term. Any from a supply chain or logistics or obviously, permitting is always a big issue in the U.S. Any snags there or if things are progressing as anticipated?
No, as you say, permitting, right? I mean, it's blocking and tackling and it's permit community by community by community. And if you look at the permits they have, I mean, they're kind of double what they had last year. They've added headcount on the construction side. So it's just ramping up the build side of it. I mean we help bring them some scale in terms of access to suppliers and equipment. So no real issues on that side. It's just how do you ramp up even faster.
And now shifting gears to the 2026 guide on financial guide. So you guided -- residentially guided to a consolidated revenue growth of 1% to 5%, EBITDA growth of 0% to 4% and your CapEx was increased to take -- to contemplate the Saskatchewan build. But after 1 quarter, reiterated all your guidance, I guess, where do you see the most, though, variability within the guidance range? Is it the Wireless pricing environment, the pace of AI Fabric revenue recognition, something else?
Yes. Look, we're confident in our ranges and our guidance at this point. So I don't really see a big impact either way. I do think AI Fabric is probably accelerated a little bit faster than when we talked about it at our Investor Day. So that's a good news story. And frankly, the more that we can rip out spend on legacy networks, legacy product, legacy processes, and reallocate capital towards fiber or AI Fabric or more digital transformation, I mean, we're going to take advantage of that opportunity, and that's what we're looking to do in '26.
Now obviously, that has a bigger revenue, EBITDA, free cash flow impact, '27, '28. But again, if you can drive value now and capture it tomorrow, absolutely, I'm looking to drive that value. So sensitivity of the model, wireless prices, obviously, not a surprise in market pricing would be a variable, but there's nothing that makes us back away from our current guide.
As we think about the 2028 financial targets, I mean, does the upsized AI-powered solutions target of $2 billion relative to $1.5 billion just from Saskatchewan. I mean, does that incremental growth change how you're thinking about the multi-year EBITDA range? Or are there other kind of offsetting factors that have avail -- that have emerged since.
Yes. Look, Saskatchewan alone, we upped our guide after announcing one contract, right? Our free cash flow 3-year CAGR, we upped it from 15% to 16.5% on the back of one contract. So look, as we continue to drive capture of demand that's already out there and sign contracts, within the 73 megawatts that we've already talked about, that's just within our plan. We'll fund that.
Look, if we can grow it a bit above that within the CapEx envelope, then we'll do that. And if there are other 100, 150-megawatt opportunities out there, we're certainly chasing them down. And let's say, so we'll be transparent when it happens, we'll announce it. And if we change the guidance from there, we will, but we'll certainly be transparent about the impact.
At the Investor Day, you outlined $1.5 billion cost-savings target by 2028, with incremental efficiency beyond that, driven in part, I think, by higher self-installs, the 3G network shutdown, IT platform simplification. Can you give us a sense of, I guess, where you are on that journey toward the $1.5 billion? And how much has been realized to date, bigger -- some of the bigger buckets yet to come? And then just maybe help in terms of phasing over the 3-year period?
Yes. I'd say we're just over halfway, right? And we have pretty good line of sight into this. And it's the laundry list that you talked about, and it's a list of 100 other things, ultimately, all within the -- how do we just rip out manual work, simplify our processes. It's more cost efficient for us and it's better for the consumer, right? So as we think about how do you provide better customer experience, better customer service, yes, it reduces your churn.
But in this world, actually leveraging technology means it's more cost-effective and cost-efficient to deliver a better service to the customer. So it's kind of a win on all fronts there. And largely, it's leveraging technology, ripping out manual work and meeting the customer where they actually want to meet with you, as you say, self-installed digital capabilities.
And then with thinking about overall capital allocation, you guys have been pretty consistent in terms of your framework, which is to strengthen the balance sheet, fund strategic priorities, and return capital through a sustainable dividend. But we just talked about some of the simplification you're doing from a cost effort, but you also sold MLSE, more recently, right? The Land Mobile Radio divestiture. But at the same time, you have growth initiatives in terms of $5 billion of CapEx this year because of Saskatchewan, but also Ziply. So maybe help us think about from your seat, specifically as the CFO, how do you think about the tensions between accelerating investment in high-return growth opportunities while maintaining that pace of deleveraging towards 3.5x by the end of '27.
Yes. Well, the good news is that there actually is tension here because we do have significant growth opportunities. So if there was no growth opportunity, it would be very different discussion. But ultimately, look, we drew a line in the sand, we should be deleveraging, we will be deleveraging 3.5x by 2027, we're going to hit that target. On the growth side, we still have the ability within our CapEx envelope to fund growth, whether it's fiber, digital transformation, digital media or AI Fabric.
As you saw with the Saskatchewan announcement, it's net-leverage-neutral very quickly, and we increased the proportion of our revenue and EBITDA that's infra-based and driven by contracts. So there is an ability to fund more AI Fabric and still manage the balance sheet. But fundamentally, we'll hit the 3.5x, and there are plenty of structures out there to fund incremental growth if the demand and contracts are right.
Are there any other non-core assets you'd consider divesting to accelerate that path to 3.5x by 2027?
Yes. Look, the capital allocation is a tougher game, but it's a simpler game in a world where you have attractive opportunities, right? The capital allocation, as we talk about it, it tends to be CapEx focused. But really, it's OpEx as well as assets. So like what we've seen, we announced $7 billion of asset sales not that long ago. We're $6.6 billion of the way there. So yes, there are a couple of other assets that we think we might not be the best owner of and that we can redeploy that capital, pay down debt, and fund our growth opportunities.
Well, Curtis, I think that's a great place to end it. Thank you so much for joining us today, and thanks, everyone.
Great. Thanks for your time.
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BCE Inc. — J.P. Morgan 54th Annual Global Technology
BCE Inc. — J.P. Morgan 54th Annual Global Technology
BCE betont Strategie-Shift zu AI-Datacentern (Bell AI Fabric), sichert Verträge für Hunderte Megawatt, bestätigt Guidance und hält 3,5x-Deleveraging-Ziel.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
- Kern: BCE verlagert Kapital in AI‑Rechenzentren, Glasfaser und digitale Services; Bell AI Fabric erzielt schneller als erwartet Vertragsabschlüsse und beschleunigt Monetarisierung bestehender Kapazitäten.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- AI Fabric: Line-of-sight für ~800 MW, davon 300 MW bereits verkauft; Saskatchewan-Projekt mit 300 MW und attraktivem IRR (Interner Zinsfuß) ~20%.
- Infrastruktur: Fokus auf Glasfasenausbau: 1,4 Mio. Passings in den USA, Ziel 3 Mio. bis Ende 2028; Fiber ist Kern des Kunden‑Win‑Rates.
- Services: Ateko (Managed Services) und Bell Cyber wachsen >30% und ergänzen AI-Angebot mit Konnektivität, Sicherheit und Professional Services.
📰 Neue Informationen
- Beschleunigung: Management sagt AI Fabric läuft schneller als beim Investor Day modelliert; 40% der 800 MW bereits in Sicht.
- Kapital: CapEx‑Plan wurde für Saskatchewan erhöht, Projekte sollen leverage‑neutral sein; zusätzlicher Ausbau möglich mit Drittpartnern.
- Guidance: 2026‑Leitplanken unverändert; positive Effekte eher in 2027/28 zu erwarten.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Nachfragemix: Gefragt wurde nach Anteil Hyperscaler vs. Sovereign vs. Enterprise; Management nennt alle drei, betont aber Wichtigkeit von Power‑Zugang.
- Gating‑Faktoren: Kritisch: Zugang zu Strom, Genehmigungen, Equipment‑Lieferung; für Sovereign‑Workloads wurde Timing nicht konkret unterlegt.
- Operatives Risiko: Themen Wireless‑Churn und ARPU wurden adressiert; ARPU‑Erholung wird eher 2027 erwartet, Fiber‑Penetration bleibt stabiler Wachstumstreiber.
⚖️ Bottom Line
- Implikation: Aktie profitiert, wenn weitere AI‑Verträge folgen und der Ausbau planmäßig bleibt; Modell ist stark vertraglich de‑risked, aber Aufmerksamkeit auf Power‑Zugang, Baupermits und Timing der Sovereign‑Workloads ist entscheidend.
BCE Inc. — Shareholder/Analyst Call - BCE Inc.
1. Management Discussion
I'm Gordon Nixon and I'm pleased to preside over this meeting as Chair of the BCE Board of Directors. Before I call the meeting to order, I would like to turn to our Corporate Secretary, Melanie Schweizer, who will provide our land acknowledgement.
[Interpreted] Maintain strong ties with the land. First people play a key role in present and future of the land. Land acknowledgments are invitation to learn, reflect and support actions to our reconciliation. Let's continue to deepening our understanding, supporting indigenous-led initiatives and building relationships rooted in respect, reciprocity and truth.
I will now call the meeting to order. As we announced at our annual meeting this year -- at last year's annual meeting, this year, for the first time, we are conducting our Annual General Meeting in a hybrid format with shareholders attending and able to participate, vote and ask questions at the meeting both live -- both in person and live video webcast through Lumi platform. We welcome all shareholders attending the meeting, both those online and those in the room with us today.
In a moment, we will review the procedures of the meeting and how shareholders can vote, raise points of order, make motions, speak to shareholder proposals and ask questions during the meeting. In the meantime, I will review a few preliminary matters. The business of this meeting will be conducted in both English and in French. For those attending the meeting online, you may choose the language feed at the bottom of the broadcast screen.
Closed captioning is available on all feeds. If you are listening by telephone and you wish to change the language, you must hang up and dial back into the meeting using the phone number that corresponds to the language of your choice, and that is indicated on the website. For those attending the meeting in person, we have made available to you headsets for simultaneous translation of today's proceedings. If you need a headset, please raise your hand and you will get one.
I will now introduce the members of the BCE team joining me on stage today. First is Mirko Bibic, as everyone knows, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and you have already heard from Melanie, our Senior Vice President of Corporate Services and our Corporate Secretary. In accordance with the BCE bylaws, I, as Chair of the Board, will chair this meeting and Melanie will act as Secretary. Louis Vachon, a member of our Board of Directors and incoming Chair, subject to his election later in the meeting, will also be addressing the meeting later on.
And he, along with Mirko, will participate and run the Q&A sessions, so you can ask really hard questions of the Chairman this year. Also attending today's meeting are members of our Board of Directors who will be introduced shortly as well as members of our senior management, including our CFO, Curtis Millen, who along with representatives of Ernst & Young, our shareholders, are here. Before we begin, I would ask Melanie to take us through the procedures of today's meeting.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Voting during today's meeting will be held both through the Lumi platform and in person. As described in the proxy circular, only registered shareholders and duly appointed proxy holders who received a control number from our transfer agent, TSX Trust Company, may vote during the meeting. You do not need to vote during the meeting if you submitted a proxy as your proxy holder will vote on your behalf.
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Allow your browser access to your microphone and camera as applicable and then click on the green check mark. You will be called upon to ask your question and unmuted automatically at the appropriate time. if you are a shareholder or proxy holder attending in person and wish to address the chair with respect to an item being discussed, you should at the appropriate time, go to the microphone located in the aisle. State your name and whether you are a shareholder or proxy holder before presenting your question or comment.
If you prefer to wait to ask a question or make a comment or if your question or comment does not relate to the item being discussed, there will be a general question and comment session at the end of the meeting.
[Interpreted] All the procedures summarized above also apply to the introduction of motions, particularly at the regards of the agenda. For further details, please refer to our procedural code and the Lumi user guide, which are available on our website and on the Lumi platform. For the good conduct of the meeting, questions should be of interest to all shareholders and not personal in nature. If your question is related to a personal matter, for those of you attending in person, a customer service booth has been set up in the hall just outside the meeting room where our customer service representatives will be happy to assist you.
For those attending online, if your question relates to a personal matter, it will not be read and instead a BCE representative will communicate with you after the meeting if you have provided your contact information. To allow us to respond to as many questions as possible during the 90 minutes allotted for this meeting, we will limit each shareholder to one question and ask that it be succinct and limited to a maximum of two minutes. Questions submitted online on the same topic or otherwise related will be grouped together and addressed at the same time.
Any question that cannot be answered during the meeting due to time constraints will be posted on the BCE website with the corresponding answer as soon as practicable after the meeting. I would now like to bring your attention to the notice appearing on screen. Today's remarks will contain forward-looking statements. These are based on several assumptions and are subject to important risks. The notice on screen contains a cautionary statement in this regard and is made on behalf of each speaker whose remarks today will contain forward-looking statements. Finally, I can report that Bertrand Judy and Isabelle Vachon, employees of TSX Trust Company, have been appointed to act as scrutineers of this meeting. Mr. Chair, I now turn the meeting over to you.
Thank you, Melanie. The procedures for a hybrid meeting are almost as long as the meeting itself. Once again, good morning to everyone, and welcome to BCE's 2026 Annual General Shareholders Meeting. It is a pleasure to be here today to share progress that we've made over the past year to compete and win in what is a fast-changing marketplace as well as to deliver long-term value for our BCE shareholders.
Our revitalized brand tagline, connection is everything, underscores the Bell team's fundamental role to enable individuals and businesses to forge meaningful relationships and experiences with each other and with their communities. As Chair of BCE's Board of Directors since 2016, it has been a privilege to work with the executive team to build a strong foundation that ensures that we're facilitating those connections and that Bell is well positioned for growth into the future.
Our efforts are driven by four strategic priorities: First, put the customer first, deliver the best fiber and wireless networks, lead in enterprise and with AI-powered solutions and build a digital media and content powerhouse. In 2025, the Board provided oversight on several transformative initiatives that are accelerating momentum on these four priorities today and in the years to come. Here are just a few highlights.
We introduced three new companies, Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric, key drivers of our plan to lead in the high-growth enterprise space by harnessing the power of artificial intelligence. We completed the acquisition of Ziply Fiber, expanding our fiber presence in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. And we unveiled our 3-year strategic plan at the BCE Investor Day, which clearly outlines how Bell will meet the growing demand for connectivity while delivering sustainable shareholder returns.
Our long-term strategy reflects a deliberate pivot towards scalable growth platforms, notably AI-powered enterprise solutions and digital media, along with investments in our leading fiber and wireless networks. These platforms are supported by a disciplined capital allocation strategy, including a continued focus on deleveraging and strengthening our balance sheet. Most importantly, the entire team is driven by a shared commitment to deliver a better customer experience, and that is happening.
In my 10 years as Chair, the BCE Board provided oversight during an extraordinary period of industry transition as well as technological advancement. It has been a privilege of working with an executive team to provide guidance on innovative products and services that will continue to create long-term value. As this is my last and final AGM as Chair, I'd like to highlight just a few of those accomplishments of the Bell team over that period. Firstly, the creation of Bell MTS following our acquisition of Manitoba Telecom Services which significantly expanded Broadband communication services in the province.
The launch of 5G wireless, which now covers 89%of the Canadian population. Successfully navigating the unprecedented COVID-19 pandemic and keeping Canadians connected to their family and friends when it was needed most. Advancing our fiber strategy through an accelerated capital allocation plan while working quickly to decommission our Legacy networks. Our digital media strategy powered by Crave, which is expanding the reach and impact of Canadian storytelling through Bell Media's original content and maintaining disciplined oversight through a period of intense industry disruption and difficult economic uncertainty.
In my role as Chair, I have had the privilege of helping to guide CEO succession planning, including the transition from George Cope to Mirko Bibic as CEO in 2020, which set a strong foundation, which has been critical to BCE's ongoing success as Canada's largest communications company. I would like to sincerely thank my fellow directors, our leadership team, all Bell team members and especially our customers and shareholders for their ongoing trust and support. It has been an honor to serve such a historic Canadian company that touches the lives of almost every Canadian.
And I'd like to say a few words of welcome to the incoming Chair of the BCE Board, my good friend, Louis Vachon, an outstanding business and community leader. Louis and I both have roots in the Canadian banking industry, and I have had the pleasure of working with him more closely since he joined the BCE Board in 2022. As former CEO of National Bank of Canada and through his service on boards of several iconic Canadian companies everywhere, Louis has a deep knowledge and experience to deliver long-term value for BCE's customers and shareholders.
The BCE Board is very lucky to have Louis as it Chair, and I can assure you it is in capable hands. BCE was on a roll until it hit a very difficult patch, which was COVID in the post-COVID period, which had a very upending impact on our industry. But it reset, and it is once again an incredibly exciting time for our company. BCE has done the hard work of putting the building blocks in place that we can take advantage of opportunities that lie ahead for us and achieve solid and sustainable growth by connecting Canadians and each other to the world.
On behalf of the Board, I would like to thank you once again for your confidence and support. The meeting today will proceed as follows. After confirming the establishment of a quorum, we will proceed with the receipt of our 2025 consolidated financial statements and the auditor's report. We will then vote on the election of directors, the appointment of Ernst & Young as our auditors and an advisory resolution on executive compensation and as well as shareholder proposal.
Our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mirko Bibic, will then address the meeting, following which will he announce the results of the votes. Louis Vachon, our BCE Board member and incoming Chair, will then be Chair and will then address the meeting. And finally, and perhaps most importantly, we will conclude the meeting with a question-and-answer session.
Starting with agenda item #1, the scrutineers have provided me with their report on attendance which be filed with the records of this meeting. The attendance report, together with proxies, which I hold, confirm that shareholders representing at least 25% of all outstanding shares of BCE are entitled to vote and are in attendance at the meeting. I therefore declare that the meeting is properly constituted for the transaction of such business as may properly be brought before it.
Moving to Item #2. The BCE annual financial report for 2025 contains the consolidated financial statements with the auditor's report thereon. A copy of the 2025 annual financial report will be filed with the records of this meeting. We have with us today Curtis Millen, our Chief Financial Officer; as well as representatives from Ernst & Young, Janice Roth, to answer any questions that you may have on our financial statements. Melanie, I would ask you whether there are any questions online with respect to this item of business.
There are no questions on this item, Mr Chair.
Are there any questions in the room on the financial statements? Seeing none, we will, therefore, proceed to the next agenda item. The next item of business on the agenda is the election of our directors. There are 13 directors to be elected and 13 eligible candidates who have been nominated. The director nominees are Mirko Bibic, Robert Dexter, Katherine Lee, Monique Leroux, Sheila Murray, Louis Pagnutti, Calin Rovinescu, Karen Sheriff, Jennifer Tory, Louis Vachon, Stephen Howe, Johan Wibergh and Cornell Wright. These are your Board nominees.
We will now turn to questions related to this item of business. Are there any questions in the room with respect to the election of directors? Melanie, are there any questions online?
There are no questions online, Mr. Chair.
In order to facilitate the conduct of the votes, Melanie, who is a BCE shareholder, will be presenting the motions with respect to certain items on the agenda, and we have arranged for certain other shareholders or proxy holders to second these motions. I would now ask Melanie to move the election of the nominees of 13 directors positions to be filled at today's meeting.
Mr. Chair, I move that each of the 13 persons previously named be elected a Director of BCE, Inc. until the earlier of the end of the next shareholder meeting -- Annual Shareholder Meeting and the date they cease to hold office.
Thank you, Melanie. Seconding the motion is [Martine Nadon], who began with Bell in 1983 as a librarian in this very building. She is now a valued member of our network experience team, leading the team of 19 employees.
My name is [Martine Nadon]. I am an employee of shareholders, and I second this proposal.
We will now proceed with the vote. I would ask Melanie to review the voting procedures.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. As a reminder, earlier in the meeting, I reviewed voting instructions for those voting online. The instructions are also available under the home tab on your screen and in the Lumi AGM user guide available on bce.ca. I remind you that if you have already voted by proxy, your vote will already have been compiled by the scrutineers and you do not need to vote again.
For those in person with us today, for users of the handheld voting device, please select the appropriate resolution at the appropriate time. The voting options will be displayed on your screen. For ballot users, place a check mark or X in the box labeled for or against next to each nominee's name. Hold on to your ballot as it will only be collected after the last vote is completed.
Thank you, Melanie. The next item on the agenda is the appointment of Ernst & Young LLP as BCE auditors. Melanie, are there any online questions related to this item?
There are no online questions, Mr. Chair.
Any in the room? Seeing none, I would now ask Melanie to move for the election of Ernst & Young as our auditors.
Mr. Chair, I move that Ernst & Young LLP be appointed as auditors of BCE until the next Annual Shareholder Meeting.
Thank you, Melanie. Seconding this motion is Serge Savard, who has been with Bell since 1988 and works as a central office technician. He has seen the introduction of all new technologies since he started and participated in the launch of Internet, high-speed services and then fiber services. Serge, can you please make this motion?
Mr. President, my name is Serge Savard, and I am an employee and shareholder, and I second this proposal.
The name's exactly of one of my all-time favorite hockey players. So that's particularly good. The next item on the agenda is the advisory vote on BCE's approach to executive compensation. Melanie, are there any questions with respect to this item of business?
There are no online questions, Mr. Chair.
Are there any questions in the room with respect to this item of business? Okay. We're moving along here. Melanie, could you please move for the approval of the advisory resolution on executive compensation?
Mr. Chair, I move that the advisory resolution on executive compensation be approved.
Thank you. Seconding this motion is Annie Ether. Annie has been with Bell for over 23 years and is a member of our customer experience team, leading and scaling digital adoption across our service teams. She is also heavily involved with our French language committee. Annie, can you please make this motion? Second this motion.
[Interpreted] Mr. President my name is [Annie Ether] and I am both an employee and a shareholder and I support the motion.
We will now proceed with the vote. The last item to be submitted to a vote is a shareholder proposal. Please note that voting on all these matters will close after this item. I will now invite Mr. Willie Gagnon, a representative of MEDAC, to present and move the shareholder proposal. Louis, over to you.
[Interpreted] My name is Willie Gagnon, MEDAC is [indiscernible] shareholder. We exist for 30 years, and I'm here for the last 20 years. We're really, really happy to see you here today in person. And I remind the assembly, we had this proposition of shareholder for the return in person, and we're really happy. I remember you were against last year. So I'm not going to reread the answer that you gave us, but we're really happy to see you in person.
We can shake hands. And as administrators, people are working here, other shareholders and MEDAC member in the room, we submitted two proposition of shareholders which were submitted to all the societies in these actions for the MEDAC account. But I'm also acting as for other shareholders, and I propose this, and I can second the motion also, correct me if I'm wrong. So two propositions, want to strengthen the participation of shareholder to the general assembly annual.
And last year, for the first time since we exist, we existed at not the quorum for a company that we are a shareholder. So we were asking why did this happen? We hope that these reasons are not systemic depending on the hypothesis. So we propose to all our society in our portfolio measures to support the participation of the shareholder, stakeholder, which are already in place. But the fourth measures that we wanted publication of just more board so that we could look just one glimpse of an eye to see if the participation increases or decreases.
So this is what we wanted, a small board or screen. And if you would have accepted to have the Board, well, we wouldn't have voted on that. So unfortunately, we were there. It would have been simple. There's only one that accompanies our shareholders' proposition that was produced by Broadridge. So the data to do this kind of Board are available. It wasn't a great expense. And this measure is really difficult for a shareholder.
It's tough to do by himself. So it would be simple for the company to have this kind of Board. So we invite all of the shareholders and you submit also to framing the AI to preserve the human aspect of the business with the customer and in general. And you didn't go to vote on this because you say that, well, policies of AI respect with BCE respect the conduct code of the federal government to develop our AI generative system. And notably, we wanted to make sure that you had the same principle for this code also.
So I understand that BCE did not adhere to this code, but BCE says they adhere to the same principle of this code. So we hope that the policies that you have in place at that subject. We understand that BCE is a technological company and AI question is really important. So we hope that the policy in place will avoid these kind of mistakes. So we didn't go to vote on that because we feel satisfied by the answer that we were given. So these are my comments, and thank you for the time you allow us.
Thank you very much, Willie. And your work over the years has been very fruitful and beneficial to shareholder rights. And clearly, the hybrid meeting was something that you proposed last year, and I hope people are enjoying that. And I can assure you on the AI, we're spending a tremendous amount of time at the Board on AI and the issues surrounding technological advancements. The response, of course, is included in our proxy circular, but I would ask whether there are any specific questions with respect to the shareholder proposal. I assume there are none online.
There are no online questions, Mr. Chair.
Okay. Thank you very much again, Mr. Gagnon. And the matters being submitted to a vote has now been completed. I would declare that the voting on all matters are now closed, and I would ask that representatives of TSX Trust collect any ballots. The results will be announced before the question-and-answer period. I will now ask our President, Mirko Bibic, our Chief Executive Officer, to address the meeting.
[Interpreted] Thank you, Gordon. Good morning. I am pleased to be here to speak to you about the year ahead for BCE and our strategic moves we're making to drive a total shareholder value on the long term. One year ago at our 2025 AGM, I spoke to you about the decision BCE was making to strengthen our balance sheet by ensuring that our capital markets approach a fit purpose.
Then in October, we held an Investor Day. We laid out a clear operating strategy completed with a 3-year financial outlook. Today, I'm pleased to say we are firmly in execution mode. Our objective for this year and beyond is to continue to deliver for our customers and our shareholders, guided by our four key strategic priorities. like were mentioned by Gord in his speech. These priorities build on what Bells has done successfully for 145 years, connect people to each other, connect businesses to their customer and connect Canadians to the latest technology.
Let me expand briefly on how we're delivering against our priority. Number one, put customer first. We have more than 240 million direct interactions with our customers every year. Our goal is to ensure we deliver the best customer experience possible during each of these touch points, and we're making progress through the use of AI. Customer can increasingly self-serve through our digital tools including 24/7 AI-powered virtual assistant while still having the choice and the option to speak with a team member if they prefer.
Our second priority is to deliver the best fiber Internet and 5G wireless network. Our networks are in the critical infrastructure that powers Canada's digital economy, delivering exceptional value for our customers and our shareholders alike. Bell has an unparalleled customer base in Canada with 3 million fiber Internet customers, 10.5 million wireless subscribers and 4 million TV and content subscribers. We're one of the only 3 carriers globally with overlapping fiber, wireless and media assets.
It's a unique combination that gives us a powerful advantage to drive growth and that our competitors can't easily replicate. In 2025, we made a major milestone with completion of the Ziply Fiber acquisition. Ziply Fiber will be a material growth driver for BCE as we continue to build our fiber location in the U.S. In part, thanks to Network FiberCo, our strategic partnership with PSP Investment headquartered here in Montreal. Our third priority is to lead an enterprise with AI-powered solutions.
AI is the next wave of critical digital infrastructure, which will power the Canadian economy. And as with the telephone and the Internet before, Bell is there. We're there playing a leading role in delivering for the country. In the past year, we launched 3 game-changing businesses. Ateko, our technology services business, which is actually based upstairs in this historic BCE headquarters; Bell AI Fabric, Canada's largest full-stack AI compute project; and Bell Cyber, our cybersecurity center of excellence.
Together, these three innovative businesses are significantly expanding the market for AI solutions and driving substantial growth for the company. And by 2028, our goal is for these three businesses, Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric to form a $2 billion AI-powered solutions business. Bell AI Fabric, in particular, has grown rapidly from a standing start just 1 year ago. In fact, we launched it on May 29, 2025. It is fast becoming the heartbeat of AI in Canada, offering customers a made-in-Canada solution comprising our nationwide fiber network, data center infrastructure, software, cloud capabilities, professional services through Ateko and our leading partner ecosystem.
Two of our facilities are already online with more to come this year. Earlier this year, actually, we told Canadians the Bell AI Fabric story through a national TV campaign, and I'd like you to take a look and share it with you here.
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What's more we strengthen Canada's AI ecosystem through partnerships with leading Canadian technology companies, Canadian companies, and they include Cohere, Coveo, Hypertec and Celestica. In March, we announced plans to build the country's largest purpose-built AI data center, the largest in Canada, I'm repeating it, a new 300-megawatt facility in Saskatchewan expected to drive significant recurring revenue, EBITDA and free cash flow growth.
The Saskatchewan data center campus represents Bell's largest ever investment in the province. It will place Saskatchewan at the center of Canada's growing AI economy and generate an estimated $12 billion in long-term economic value, including substantial tax revenues and at least 800 construction, engineering and technical jobs during the development phase. Early construction work is already underway. Just this week, we announced a team of local and regional construction firms supporting these initial phases, ensuring the Saskatchewan workers and businesses are benefiting from this investment from day 1.
Just as important, this project has been designed from the outset to respect local communities and the environment. Like all of our Bell AI fabric sites, the facility will use a closed-loop water cooling system that does not draw on municipal groundwater. We're also collaborating with local universities in the George Gordon First Nation to explore opportunities for waste heat reuse on campuses and in nearby development projects. And in close consultation with local landowners, we're working to minimize community impacts through responsible development, including measures to reduce noise, light and traffic.
And there's much more to come. Business adoption of AI will only continue to increase, and Bell is more than ready to help Canadian governments and enterprises win. Now to our fourth priority, which is to build a digital media and content powerhouse. Our media strategy is pretty simple. It's to deliver the best content to Canadians when and how they want it. And as audiences shift to digital platforms, we're moving with them, and we're unlocking growth along the way. And Crave is at the heart of that strategy.
Today, we have 4.7 million subscribers. And by the end of 2028, we expect that number to hit 6 million. Over the past year, Crave original content like Empathie and heated Rivalry has taken the world by storm, making a lasting cultural impact. This success reflects Bell Media's commitment to invest in Canadian storytelling that connects with audiences at home and that also resonates around the world.
And that strengthens our national identity and it reinforces our cultural sovereignty. Through Crave, we're investing in stories that reflect who we are as a country in English and in French, and I couldn't be prouder of the talent and creativity of our Bell Media team. And you don't have to take my word for it, Bell Media earned 202 nominations at this year's Canadian Screen Awards. Against this backdrop of transformation, we also completed a major brand refresh in the last year.
Chair mentioned it in his opening remarks, and our brand refresh has a new tagline and that's connection is everything, and it's a reflection of a more human relevant and connected future. And to bring this vision to life, -- last year, we collaborated with renowned Quebec filmmaker, Xavier Dolan, on a short film highlighting the moments behind every network connection. The film received global recognition and it won Best Director at the 2026 Brand Film Awards presented by PRWeek and Campaign last week.
And I'd like to share it with you now.
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And that brings me back to what's defined Bell for 145 years. From the first telephones to smartphones, copper wires to fiber networks and next-gen AI infrastructure, Bell plays a defining role in connecting Canadians to work, to opportunity to the best content and of course, to each other. It's our purpose to advance how people connect with each other and the world.
[Interpreted]Before I wrap up and one more piece of exciting news since we're in Montreal, 2 weeks ago, we announced a new chapter for Formula 1 Grand Prix of Canada with the launch of Bell GP Canada, our rebranded promotion group. This rebranding reflects our long-term commitment to one of Canada's most prestigious international sporting events and showcase in Canada. And the unique ability to Bell to connect sports, media and live experience to deliver lasting impact for Montreal and Canada.
I'd like to offer my warmest wishes, of course, and thanks to Gordon Nixon, who is retiring today as Chair of the Board, as you know. Gord, your steady guidance and leadership over the past decade have been instrumental in Bell's transformation to the company that we are today with the momentum that we have today.
[Interpreted] I also would like to welcome our incoming Chair of the Board, Louis Vachon. Shareholders have already benefited from Louis's leadership and expertise over the past few years. Louis, I look forward to working with you as a Chair to deliver strong outcomes for our customers and investor. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Mirko. Thank you, Mirko. And I will now ask Melanie to provide the preliminary results of the scrutineers' tabulation of today's votes.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The scrutineers confirm the following preliminary vote results. All director nominees received at least 97.9% votes for. At least 99.4% of votes are in favor of the appointment of Ernst & Young LLP as auditors. The advisory resolution on executive compensation is approved by approximately 96% of the votes and approximately 1.84% of the votes are in favor of the shareholder proposal. Therefore, it is defeated. The scrutineer's final report will be available shortly after the meeting.
Thank you, Melanie. It's now my pleasure to invite Louis Vachon, who is the incoming Chair of BCE to address the meeting and to join Mirko for the question-and-answer period, after which I will return to close the meeting. Louis? Thank you.
[Interpreted] Ladies and gentlemen, shareholders, before I say anything else, I would like to highlight Gord's remarkable work over the last 10 years. Gord, on behalf of myself and all the Board members, I sincerely thank you. Your leadership and expertise have helped BCE through a period of great transformation. It is an honor for me to continue this work and assume the Chairmanship of the Board of Directors of BCE, a company that plays a crucial role in the Canadian economy.
It is my pleasure to begin this new mandate here with you. Only a few steps away from the national bank place where I built my career and join you all today in the iconic Beaver Hall Building in the heart of Montreal. Bell has been deeply rooted in Quebec since its foundation and Montreal, the French-speaking metropolis of North America remains at the heart of its identity, its history and its future.
Today, we are facing an unstable global economic context. Trade policies, tariffs measure reminds us of how complex the environment in which we operate can be. In this context, the role of strong Canadian companies like PCE is more important than ever. They are at the heart of our productivity and our economic prosperity. They strengthen the country's economic sovereignty and stimulate large-scale innovation. In an economy that increasingly relies on data and technology, having reliable, secure and above all, sovereign digital infrastructure is not just an advantage.
It's a fundamental strategic imperative. And that's precisely what makes Bell special. For nearly 150 years, Bell has been connected people with each other and the world. It has been at the forefront of every technological transformation in Canada, the phone, the Internet, fiber optics, 5G. Today, it's at the heart of the next wave of progress, AI. Bell is at the heart of Artificial Intelligence in the revolution of Canada. We are developing a robust and sovereign digital infrastructure through responsible investment and lasting partnership.
This concerted approach has been instrumental in building a most prosperous country while continuing to develop a robust and forward-looking company. BCE's position is clear. We are here to serve our customers and our investors. Bell has gone through nearly a 1.5 century of major technological and economic transformation. It has done so by adapting, investing and remaining faithful to its fundamental mission, connecting Canadians.
Today, the company relies on an experienced and committed exclusive team. It was a clear strategy anchored in a culture of operational excellence and innovation. As Chairman of the Board of Directors, I am committed to working closely with my colleagues on the Board and the leadership team to continue to provide rigorous governance and informed decision-making aligned with a long-term interest of the company, its employees, its customers and its shareholders. I am honored to be able to contribute in this new capacity to the pursuit of this mission. I thank you for your trust, and I am delighted to be able to contribute with you to the next chapter of Bell's history. Thank you.
Melanie, can you remind us of procedures, please?
Yes, of course. As a reminder, if your question is related to a personal matter, and you are attending today in person, a customer service booth has been set up in the hall just outside the room where our service representatives will be happy to assist you. Similarly, for those attending online, if your question relates to a personal matter, a Bell representative will communicate with you after the meeting if you have provided your contact information.
To enable as many shareholders as possible to have the opportunity to be heard today, we ask that you limit your time of each question or comment to a maximum of 2 minutes. For those online, as previously described, you can submit your question online, ask a question by telephone or ask a question by audio or video through the integrated function of the Lumi Platform. Specific instructions are shown on your screen. For those in the room, please come to the microphone. You can ask your question when called upon. In all cases, please state your name before stating your question or comment and indicate if you are a shareholder or proxy holder. The rules of procedure that we outlined at the beginning of the meeting will continue to apply for this question-and-answer session.
Do we have any questions in the room? Mr. Gagnon?
Mr. President, welcome. Listen, I'm here seated since the beginning of the meeting, and I hear more talk of AI than I thought I would. This is one of our propositions that we made that was removed on the base that you have a policy on AI. And I hear a lot of the positive aspect today, obviously, concerning AI. But there is a pure aspect of this technology also of this era that we are living. We -- everybody has seen terminator in 1984, and we're well conscious of the threat that may happen.
But transparency of data is something that doesn't work. So the energy question is really the bottleneck about the AI needs a lot of energy. Are you aware of this problem that will necessarily come up eventually. The question that's broadly documented hallucination of the language model, LLM like they call in English, which are based on probability of an answer that's given quickly. And these models are giving ador, ideologic tickets, bias that's favored by the LLM.
It's a big, big bunch of problems. We accepted to remove this vote or question, but we don't hear a lot about the risk that AI represents here today. It's wonderful, a new data center, but I don't hear the risk. We do have risk, and they are important. And I would like to hear about the risk. You say yourself that you wanted to be trustful, secure and sovereign, keep the control here. So how about the sovereignty if the totality of the shareholders are detained by external shareholders. So you understand what this represents. I would have loved to hear you talk today about the risk. Is there an issue? Is there a problem of managing the risk? And this can affect the value of the BCE value, but the value of BCE. So I would like to hear something on that, if you have anything to say concerning that.
I can go. Thank you, Mr. Gagnon, for the questions. I remind you that there's a law on external proprietary that applies itself on communications. So this is one answer of one of your points. Concerning AI, it's unavoidable. A big part of AI, of course, is infrastructure, technological infrastructure, communication infrastructure. They are always part of what Bell delivers in the country, to the customers and to the shareholders.
So we were already -- we were always there. We'll still be there. And concerning the risk, we are aware of the risk
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data center specialized in AI. I mentioned that while I was talking, our development will be super responsible ecological-wise. And by the responsible usage, we have a clear policy really strict that was announced internally, and we'll continue to follow it.
[Interpreted] Just to give you a bit of a viewpoint of discussions we are having. A few minutes, we were talking all the risk committee. They meet 5 times a year, and we talk about AI. But the latest discussions, she said it's so important that we would like to talk about it at the Board meeting. So we share your reality on that.
It's obvious. We know that there's a lot of advantage possible with AI. And it also opens another aspect, risk factor, and we are working really hard, and we are aware of that.
[Interpreted] It reassures me, but when we talk about buying Bell's value, we want to know what you just said. So these kind of things, this should be to the shareholder, and I don't represent all of them. But it's important for us to know a company like yours, what you hear on that. But I would like to read this one thing.
[Interpreted] But I repeat for so many years, you heard me at the Bank National, but the risk management culture at the beginning, this is human question. First of all, humans are taking decision. Yes, technology plays a big role. But our approach like here, a great culture of a great organization, risk management is a human factor. And after that is a technological factor. So we need the right person at the right time, at the right place with great training, ethical and all this will allow us to go through. Technology, everybody sees the technology. It changes so quickly. We need to have an organization that adapts to the changes. So that's essential.
We have one question online. Who's reading it?
I'll read it. we have a question in writing from Alan Best. It reads as follows. Good morning Mr. Bibic. First, Mr. Nixon, thank you for your insightful leadership over many years. Enjoy your next chapter. The dividend cut was painful. As the company evolves from a telco to a techco, I am interested to know about the prospects of dividend restoration to former levels. How much of a priority is this objective? When will we see evidence of progress in this direction?
Okay. I'll take this. Melanie, can you actually read the next one as well because I think I can answer them together.
Absolutely. The next question is in writing from Jeff Carlson. BCE's share price has been flat for the past 18 months and is approximately half of what it was in 2022. BCE's share performance ranks last amongst its peers. This poor performance is despite the projects management have discussed today, many of which have been well known for many months, even years. What assurances do shareholders have that your current strategies and so-called improved fiscal governance will have any positive effect on share price?
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Carlson and Mr. Best for the two questions, which essentially relate to the share price performance and as well as what can we expect with the dividend. And so we have to really go back on this a year ago. So it's in response to Mr. Carlson, fact, it's only really a year ago in February of 2025, where we started to communicate the new strategic plan.
And in October of last year at our Investor Day, we really put a lot of detail around that plan. So it's a fairly kind of recent plan, the plan that I outlined in my opening statement that we're communicating consistently to investors. And we are in the early days of that plan. We have significant momentum behind it. So the AI, we just launched that growth vector in May of last year, and it is growing significantly. Our fiber performance in Canada and the U.S. is very strong. And in 2020, we began the very, very hard work of changing the strategic and cultural approach at Bell Media to change from a traditional broadcaster where traditional broadcasters are in significant decline everywhere around the world to a digital media leader.
And you can see in terms of some of the data that I shared with you in my opening statements, that momentum is clearly there. And Crave is actually Crave we're hyped on. Bell has been around for 145 years. And in terms of net gain of customers, Crave last year was essentially the largest selling product in terms of net gains in a 1-year period that we've ever had. So I think about how incredible that is. So that's the strategy.
That's the operational strategy, and it's actually fairly recent and it's got some momentum. So now if we go to the share price and the dividend. Part of that strategy is a capital markets approach, a new capital markets approach, and it has three elements. The first element is to strengthen the balance sheet. and we've got progress there. We've optimized the cost of capital, and we started the process of reducing our debt levels, and we have clear targets that we're committed to in 2027 and beyond.
The second part of our capital market strategy is to fund growth. I'm not going to repeat what I just said. We have the four growth vectors. We're making sure that we're directing investment to further that growth. And then the third part of the strategy is to return capital to shareholders. And we signaled in October of last year as it relates to the dividend. We, of course, reduced the dividend last May, a year ago, actually.
But in October of last year, we said that we intend to return back to shareholders over a 3-year period, approximately $5 billion in dividends. And if you do the math, that actually in response to Mr. Best's question, that signals that we plan to keep the dividend at the level it's at, at least for the next three years and the kind of the funds by reducing the dividend, the excess cash flow we are putting into growth and into reducing the debt. So I hope that answers those two questions, and thank you very much for them.
Can I add?
Absolutely.
Very short answer. If you look at the insider trading reports, you'll see that I've been buying shares of BCE in the last 12 months. So -- why? Because I think the shares a good value, and I believe in what management is trying to do. That's the shortest and the best answer I can give you. Any other questions? I don't believe there is.
There are no further questions online.
Okay. I would now invite Gord Nixon to join us and close the meeting one last time.
Sorry, Nicole Bear, a proxy holder. My question is, Bell has identified data centers and digital infrastructure as key growth areas. Can the Board outline how Bell is ensuring it has the skilled workforce capacity to deliver on this strategy? And what investments are being made in workforce development to support long-term execution?
Yes, absolutely. Happy to -- thank you for that. Very good question. So there's three prongs to our AI strategy. There's Ateko. Ateco is a technology services service provider. And Ateko was actually born out of a company called FX Innovation, which is a Montreal-based company. And it was -- we acquired it in 2023 from the founders and Caisse de depot. And now that company is now part of DCE. It's called Ateko, and it continues to be led by the founders and an incredible team of employees who are specialists in the technologies that they advise their clients on.
So we have that fundamental skill set from the founders and the employees we hire, and we've tripled the employee base of Ateco since we acquired it in 2023. Bell Cyber is a combination of the expert network security team that we've always been known for at Bell for decades and decades, combined with cybersecurity experts from a company we acquired called Stratejm 2 years ago, and it's based in Mississauga and now that's called Bell Cyber. So fundamentally formed of a team of telecom network experts and cyber experts.
And as far as Bell AI Fabric, the data center business, it is led by John Watson and Michel Riche, who are on the executive team. Michele is based here in Ottawa, and we have a full team of folks who are experts in construction of data centers and operation of -- operating data centers, and we have a team of Canadian technology companies that work with us, whether or not it's Covio, Cohere, et cetera, who are themselves in their own right, AI experts. So we're putting a lot of attention and taking great care to make sure that we have the management team and the employees to deliver on the promise that we make to our customers in this space.
Just one more. Jeff. Good morning, Mr. Chair, cable repair technician of 26 years, BCE shareholder. In a rapidly evolving telecommunications and technology environment, how does the Board assess Bell's ability to attract, retain and develop talent? And is there a defined long-term workforce strategy aligned with the company's transformation goals?
Another very good question.
Thank you. I appreciate that question, too. So this is -- the communications and media industries that we operate in are in constant flux. And clearly, I mean, Gordon mentioned in his opening remarks, the last 5 years, particularly as we're going through COVID and coming out have been difficult for a number of reasons. The technology has changed, customer preferences have changed, some regulatory rules have changed. We have a number of segments of our business that are in perpetual decline.
There's nothing that can be done anywhere in the world to change -- the traditional copper home phone, people are disconnecting. Copper Internet, low-speed Internet, nobody wants that. Everyone wants broadband. Satellite TV, it's not particularly interesting to most Canadians unless they don't have a choice. They want streaming. So we're seeing a shift in the employee base in those segments. However, we're seeing growth in other segments of our business that are high growth, as I was mentioning in response to the previous question, a lot of employment at Ateko, a lot of employment at cyber, a lot of employment of AI.
We've got a lot of technology experts in the customer experience part of our business where we're trying to constantly deploy new technologies to improve the customer experience. So we're making sure in terms of our -- how we manage the workforce that we're getting the right skills within Bell to be able to kind of activate those growth segments while kind of managing digital diligently, of course, the workforce in those declining segments of our business. And we have training programs, and we have a new graduate program to bring in new talent in the company and develop them as they evolve and as they begin their careers and continue their careers. Those are the kinds of things we're doing.
Any other questions from the room? I don't see any other questions online.
There are no other questions online.
Okay. Gord?
Thank you very much, Louis, and Mirko. And thank you to our shareholders. So obviously, some very good questions. Just one observation. When I think back when I used to cover telcos back in the days as an investment bank, you thought of them as sort of state utilities, rate of return regulated. And as you get a flavor today, the industry has just changed so much and so quickly and the future is going to be that much quicker.
And I can tell you, I will now watch as a shareholder and -- but I do think it's an incredibly exciting future. And you've got a great team, both at the Board, but in particular, management who really drive the strategy. And 20 years ago, you never thought you'd be sitting at a telecom -- I shouldn't call it a telecommunications company, but a telecommunications company meeting be talking about AI and quantum and all the other things that are now discussed at the Board. So very exciting, and it has been an honor for me to have been part of that transition. And as I said, I look forward to observing as a shareholder in the many years to come. I now declare the meeting closed, and I'd like to thank everybody for participating at our Annual Shareholders' Meeting today, and I'd like to thank you for your continued support of the organization going forward. So thank you very much.
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Hybrid‑AGM: Vorstand stellt AI‑Wachstum, Fiber‑/Datacenter‑Investitionen und disziplinierte Kapitalallokation in den Vordergrund.
Wesentliche Themen: Gründung von Ateko/Bell Cyber/Bell AI Fabric, 300‑MW‑Datencampus in Saskatchewan, Ziply‑Übernahme, Dividenden‑/Schuldenstrategie und ausführliche Q&A‑Runde.
🎯 Kernbotschaft
BCE stellt sich als „souveräner“ Anbieter digitaler Infrastruktur auf: Fokus auf AI‑gestützte Enterprise‑Geschäfte, Ausbau von Glasfaser (Fiber) und 5G sowie der Ausbau von Streaming (Crave). Kapitalallokation zielt auf Schuldenabbau, gezielte Wachstumsinvestitionen und schrittweise Rückführung an Aktionäre mit klarer 3‑Jahres‑Roadmap.
⚡ Strategische Highlights
- AI‑Plattform: Drei neue Einheiten (Ateko, Bell Cyber, Bell AI Fabric) als Kern des AI‑Enterprise‑Wachstums.
- Datencenter: Angekündigter 300‑MW‑Campus in Saskatchewan; geschätzt hohe wiederkehrende Erträge, lokale Auftragsvergabe und Fokus auf geschlossenen Kühlsystemen.
- Fiber‑Expansion: Übernahme von Ziply Fiber und Partnerschaft mit PSP (Network FiberCo) zur US‑ und Kanada‑Erweiterung.
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- AI‑Ziel: Management nennt ein Ziel von rund 2 Mrd. USD Umsatz aus den drei AI‑Geschäften bis 2028.
- Crave‑Ausblick: Aktuell 4,7 Mio. Abonnenten; Ziel 6 Mio. bis Ende 2028.
- Kapitalstrategie: Signal: rund 5 Mrd. USD Rückflüsse an Aktionäre über drei Jahre; Dividende bleibt auf aktuellem Niveau für diesen Zeitraum.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- AI‑Risiken: Fragen zu Energiebedarf, Bias und „Halluzinationen“ von LLM (Large Language Model) – Management verweist auf firmenweite AI‑Policy und Board/Risk‑Austausch, räumt jedoch verbleibende Unsicherheiten ein.
- Dividende & Kurs: Aktionäre fordern Rückkehr zur früheren Dividende; Management bestätigt Ziel, Kapital zurückzuführen, erwartet aber sukzessive Wiederherstellung und behält Ausschüttungsniveau für die nächsten drei Jahre bei.
- Arbeitskräfte: Nachfragen zu Skills: Antwort — Auf- und Ausbau über Übernahmen (z. B. Ateko), interne Trainings, Graduate‑Programme und gezielte Rekrutierung.
⚖️ Bottom Line
BCE verkauft eine klare Transformationsstory: hoher Einsatz auf AI, Datacenter und Fiber mit quantifizierten Zielen, zugleich konservative Kapitalpolitik (Schuldenabbau, 3‑Jahres‑Dividendenaussage). Chancen auf nachhaltiges Wachstum bestehen, kurzfristig dominieren jedoch Ausführungs‑, Energie‑ und Governance‑Risiken sowie Zeitbedarf für eine spürbare Kurs‑/Dividendenerholung.
BCE Inc. — Q1 2026 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the BCE Q1 2026 Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Kris Somers. Please go ahead, Mr. Somers.
Thank you, Matthew. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. With me here today are Mirko Bibic, BCE's President and CEO, and our CFO, Curtis Millen. You can find all our Q1 disclosure documents on the Investor Relations page of the bce.ca website, which we posted earlier this morning.
Before we begin, I would like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement on Slide 2, reminding you that today's slide presentation and remarks made during the call will include forward-looking information, and therefore, are subject to risks and uncertainties. Results could differ materially. We disclaim any obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Please refer to our publicly filed documents for more details on assumptions and risks.
With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Mirko.
Good morning, everyone. Thanks, Kris. Our Q1 results demonstrate continued disciplined execution across all four of our strategic priorities in what remains a competitive operating environment. Consolidated revenue was up 4% and adjusted EBITDA grew 2.9%. As we've outlined consistently, our capital allocation is organized around three priorities: to strengthen the balance sheet through disciplined de-leveraging, fund our strategic priorities and, of course, return capital to shareholders through a sustainable dividend. We continue to execute against that framework in Q1.
Most recently, we announced the divestiture of our land mobile radio business to Motorola Solutions for $675 million, and that's at an attractive valuation of approximately 10x EBITDA. The latest in a series of actions to simplify the business and accelerate our path to our leverage targets. We're making significant progress across each of our four strategic priorities as well, and I want to walk you through them, starting with putting the customer first.
I'm on Slide 3. You see that we continue to advance a number of initiatives to improve the overall value proposition and service experience for our customers, including the expansion of Internet contracts in Ontario, which give customers greater price certainty, continued scaling of hardware-free Fibe TV and the full launch of our voice virtual assistant across Bell, Virgin Plus and Lucky Mobile. Each of these supports longer-term, more stable customer relationships and a lower cost to serve.
Fiber continues to be a key growth driver for us. In Canada, we added close to 43,000 residential FTTH subscribers in the quarter with demand remaining solid across our footprint. Combined with the contribution from Ziply Fiber, total residential fiber net adds were close to 50,000 and Internet revenue across our North American fiber platforms grew 15% year-over-year.
In Wireless now, Q1 was in an unusually competitive quarter. Promotional activity across the industry extended well beyond typical seasonal windows. We were deliberate in how we responded, staying out of the most aggressive pricing early in the quarter and participating selectively where we saw longer-term value. That discipline is reflected in our results. Strong postpaid net adds of close to 17,000, a 21% increase in gross activations and continued resilience in Bell branded performance. Early indicators suggest the market is normalizing, and our focus remains on lifetime economics, not quarter-to-quarter volume.
Video net subscriber additions swung to positive, improving approximately 26,000 year-over-year on strong uptake of the streaming bundles we launched in the second half of last year. That content pull-through, together with growing adoption of subscriptions across our fiber base is driving meaningful momentum in product intensity, which is a key metric we're tracking against our Investor Day framework.
Turning now to our third strategic priority, which is to lead in enterprise with AI-powered solutions. This is where I want to spend a bit more time today with you because Bell AI Fabric is creating considerable value in a very short period of time, and I want to make sure investors fully understand the story.
Let me start with a simple framing. Bell sits at the intersection of secure, high-performance networks, trusted enterprise relationships, access to significant power and now purpose-built AI infrastructure with a time-to-compute advantage. No other Canadian company has assembled this combination, and it's very difficult to replicate. That's our competitive advantage. Last year, we outlined our ambition to lead in this space, and we introduced 3 businesses: Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric. Each is closely tied to our core strengths in connectivity, distribution and trust. Since then, progress has only accelerated.
I want to begin with Saskatchewan because it's a landmark investment for Bell and for the country's AI future. Less than 2 months ago, we announced a fully contracted 300-megawatt purpose-built AI data center in Saskatchewan. It's a transformational project that meaningfully improves our long-term growth profile and is incremental to the financial framework we laid out at Investor Day. Our construction partners have mobilized on site and preliminary work is underway. I'll walk you through what that looks like on the ground when we get to Slide 5.
At full run rate, as we've shared before, this facility alone is expected to contribute approximately $500 million of revenue, $400 million of EBITDA and over $250 million of free cash flow at an IRR of approximately 20% at the data center level with additional upside from sovereign workloads and related services on top. Beyond Saskatchewan, our broader AI Fabric ecosystem continues to scale. In late March, we launched our Merit BC facility. Consistent with our model, Bell is providing the building, power and cooling. The tenant supplies and funds all compute hardware. The facility uses a closed-loop liquid cooled design that does not draw from municipal water resources. The capacity at Merit is part of the approximately 73 megawatts of AI Fabric capacity we referenced back in October.
At this time, we have 4 fully contracted facilities, Mission Flat and Merit BC, which are both live, as you know. We have Winnipeg, which will go live early in the second half of this year, and that one is on an operating lease basis. Those 3 constitute 29 megawatts of the 73 megawatts we guided to at Investor Day. And of course, we have Saskatchewan on top of that, which is under construction. We also continue to build out the sovereign AI solutions ecosystem during the quarter. We announced strategic partnerships with Coveo to deliver sovereign AI-powered digital services, with Hypertech to deliver end-to-end sovereign AI infrastructure built, hosted and operate in Canada and with SAP to strengthen Canada's digital sovereignty with cloud and AI infrastructure and post quarter with Celestica to advance the development of a Canadian sovereign AI infrastructure stack. Each of these partnerships reinforces a critical point. Bell AI Fabric is not just about data centers. It's a full stack Canadian-controlled AI platform with infrastructure, connectivity, security, integration and services, working with best-in-class partners to meet the needs of governments, enterprises and research institutions that require their AI workloads to remain here in Canada.
And this brings me now to the financial results in Enterprise. Bell Business Markets revenue, which we're disclosing for the first time this quarter, was up 9.7% in the quarter, driven by 113% growth in AI-powered solutions. That's a powerful number and it reflects the compounding momentum across all 3 of our AI-powered businesses. Again, I'll note that the Merit facility contributed to the quarter, and Curtis will walk you through the financial details around that. We increased our AI-powered solutions revenue objective from approximately $1.5 billion to approximately $2 billion by 2028 when we made the Saskatchewan announcement, and we're confident in that target. And frankly, I see potential beyond it. We have line of sight to monetizing approximately 800 megawatts of power over time, and our pipeline of interest remains deep and active.
In short, AI-powered solutions is creating significant differentiated value for this company. It's closely tied to our core business. It's disciplined, demand-led and return-driven, and it's a growth vector that no other Canadian telecom has.
Turning now to our fourth strategic priority, which is to build a Digital Media content powerhouse. Our digital pivot in media is now well into its sixth year, and the momentum is clear. When I became CEO in 2020, Digital represented 19% of Bell Media's revenue, and today, it's 46%. That's up 3 points year-over-year, and it's still growing. It's a fundamental transformation of this business, and it's translating directly into subscriber growth, advertiser interest and new monetization streams. Q1 was the most watched quarter in Crave history. Our subscriber base grew 25% year-over-year to more than 4.7 million today, powered by a 59% increase in direct-to-consumer streaming subscribers. That's exceptional growth in any market. And with our target of 6 million subscribers by 2028, we have a clear runway ahead.
What's driving this is the combination of premium original content, a significantly expanded library, the streaming bundles we launched in the second half of last year and continued improvements to the product experience, including targeted marketing offers -- efforts pardon me, in the French language market. Another recent addition is SNL, which will simulcast on Crave and CTV beginning this fall, one of the most watched shows on television and a strong signal of the content value we're building across both platforms. We also continue to solidify our long-term sports content leadership. Over the last few months, we extended regional media rights with the Senators, the [indiscernible] Canadians, the Winnipeg Jets and became the new Canadian home of the Toronto [ Tempo ] and the WNBA. We expect to announce additional major rights renewals in the near future. These are important long-duration agreements that reinforce our position as Canada's leading sports broadcaster across TSN in English and RDS in French. Sports content is the single most powerful driver of live viewership, advertising premium and subscriber retention, and we intend to maintain our leadership. And on that note and looking ahead, we're excited about the FIFA World Cup this summer. We have exclusivity on 104 games across our platforms, which presents a significant audience and monetization opportunity for Bell Media.
The third element I want to highlight is our growing ability to monetize original content internationally. Our Crave original series, [ Yaga ] and The Office Movers have been acquired by Sky for the U.K. and Ireland. And just last week, Yaga was acquired by AMC for the U.S. market with additional territories expected to follow. This builds on the global success of Heated Rivalry, which continued to generate cultural impact through Q1, earning a Peabody award, multiple Canadian screen awards and a second season renewal. The key here is that they aren't one-offs. They reflect a deliberate strategy to invest in premium Canadian storytelling and then extend the value of that content across the full value chain, including through our majority ownership of [ Sphere Abacus ], our global content distribution arm. As a reminder, our focus is for Bell Media to deliver consistent annual revenue and EBITDA growth while contributing meaningfully to free cash flow for BCE. We're on pace to do exactly that in 2026.
I want to pause now on Slide 5 because I think it tells an important story. So this is back to Bell AI Fabric. In the spirit of transparently tracking and communicating our progress on our strategic initiatives, let me provide you some more detail on the construction progress here. On the left, you can see our Mission Flat facility. That's the one in Kamloops, BC, the very first one we opened last June. This is where Grok's AI inference technology is live and serving workloads today. Our second facility is the one in Merit BC. That went from dirt to a fully operational AI data center in 9 months. Together, these experiences gave us a proven reproducible playbook for everything that's followed.
And on the right is Saskatchewan. This is what momentum looks like in real time. Our construction partners have mobilized on site. You can see the earthworks underway, site stripping, [indiscernible] testing, heavy equipment on the ground. The development agreement has been approved by the Rural Municipality of Sherwood and our development permit application is currently under review. We selected our early works contractors and over half a dozen additional trade contractors in the Regina region. Long lead equipment, including generators and cooling systems have been ordered and on schedule. We expect all major permits in place by July, and we remain on track for the first phase to come online in the first half of next year. So let's take a step back and look at the trajectory.
A year ago, Bell AI Fabric was an idea and a single facility in Kamloops. Today, we have the data centers I summarized earlier and line of sight to monetizing approximately 800 megawatts of power.
Now turning to Slide 6. As you can see, we continue to track and measure ourselves against disciplined execution on the Investor Day targets we laid out last [indiscernible]. You see a sample of those metrics on the slide and the progress. And before I turn it over to Curtis in a moment, I want to touch on two more things, capital allocation and capital investment. On capital allocation, we've been very consistent. In February 2025, we laid out a clear plan: Simplify the business, strengthen the balance sheet, focus capital on higher return opportunities. And we reinforced all of that at Investor Day with significant transparency around everything we were going to do. We're committed to continue to share our progress transparently and regularly, and that's what we continue to do today.
Since then, we've been executing one step at a time. We completed the sale of our interest in [indiscernible] at a 10x return. We exited Bell Smart Home and most recently, of course, the Land Mobile Radio divestiture. The road map hasn't changed. We're going to optimize the balance sheet. We're going to fund the strategic priorities, which are high growth, and we're going to return capital to shareholders through our sustainable dividend. And we're going to do that while maintaining the financial discipline and the flexibility to execute against our 3-year plan, and a reminder, we're only 1 quarter into that 3-year plan.
On CapEx, as early as 2023, we saw where the environment was headed. We made deliberate choices back then, to reduce spending on legacy segments and reallocate investment to growth segments. That's what we've done. That's what we're going to continue to do. Our Canadian Telecom CapEx has decreased by over $2 billion from $5.1 billion in 2022 to below $3 billion in 2026. That's putting aside the highly accretive AI Fabric investments. Our underlying Canadian CapEx intensity is approximately 12%, with Wireless capital intensity at an industry low 7%. Our Canadian Telecom CapEx will continue to decline.
In the current environment, we've seen others in the industry recalibrate their capital spending. We totally understand that because it's what we've been doing. We laid out this discipline clearly at Investor Day, and we've been executing against it for 3-plus years. But what makes our story different is where we're investing the capital we do deploy. We have a significant growth vector in AI-powered solutions that's intrinsically tied to our core business and that no one else in Canada has. Our capital allocation is shifting toward higher return growth opportunities like AI Fabric and our U.S. Fiber platform as we maintain discipline on the core telecom side.
Before I hand it over to Curtis, I want to acknowledge our entire Bell team. The results we're sharing today reflect the dedication and focus of everyone who works for this company across the country and in the U.S., serving our customers, growing the business and executing on the plan we've laid out. I'm proud of what the team [indiscernible]. And Curtis, over to you now to take the team through the Q1 financial and operating results in detail. Thank you.
Thank you, Mirko, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin on Slide 8 with BC's consolidated financial results. Total revenue grew 4% in the quarter, driven by the contribution from Ziply Fiber and continued strong momentum at Bell Business Markets, where AI-powered Solutions revenue more than doubled year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA was up 2.9%, driven by the contribution from Ziply Fiber and the flow-through of higher product revenue. Margin declined 40 basis points to 42.7%. As we previously indicated, the mix of growth in the business is evolving. Some of our higher-growth services naturally carry a different margin profile than our legacy businesses, which tend to be higher margin.
Our focus is on driving absolute EBITDA dollar growth and free cash flow growth. Adjusted EPS was down $0.06 compared to last year, reflecting higher depreciation and [ amort ] expense and interest costs, consistent with our 2026 guidance assumptions. On CapEx, total CapEx -- total capital expenditures were up 15.4%, reflecting Ziply's fiber build-out in the U.S. and capital investments to support the growth of our Bell AI Fabric business as we build out data centers across Canada. Free cash flow increased 0.8% to $804 million. I would note that beginning this quarter, we updated our definition of free cash flow to exclude income taxes paid on significant divestitures, which improves comparability quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year and does not affect any previously reported amounts. In Q1, we paid $542 million in income taxes related to the MLSC sale. That amount is excluded from the free cash flow figure I just referenced, but it does impact cash flows from operating activities, which analysts should keep in mind when reviewing the cash flow statement.
Turning to Bell CTS Canada on Slide 9. I want to highlight a few disclosure enhancements this quarter that we believe will be helpful for investors. First, we've updated our Internet sub metrics to include wholesale subscribers. This is consistent with how we reported prior to 2019 and reflects the impact of the CRTC's mandated fiber access decision on how we operate the business. We've also introduced an additional residential fiber-to-the-home metric. Previously reported 2025 figures have been restated for comparability. Second, we broadened our IPTV subscriber definition to include bundled streaming service subscribers, customers who subscribe to a package that includes at least one third-party streaming service and one BCE streaming service. This is now reported under a new video subscriber metric, and again, 2025 figures have been restated. With that context, let me walk through the sub metrics, starting with Wireless.
Strength of our distribution network and the Premium Bell brand helped deliver 16,947 postpaid mobile phone net adds in an unusually competitive quarter compared to a net loss of close to 10,000 in Q1 of last year. Postpaid churn was 1.34%. After 3 consecutive quarters of year-over-year improvement through Q4, the trend reversed in Q1, reflecting a higher number of switchers driven by some of the most aggressive competitive offers we've seen in a seasonally low volume quarter. As the competitive environment normalizes, we expect the improving trend to resume, our customer-first initiatives continue to take hold. ARPU was down 0.8%, consistent with the Q4 decline and significantly improved from the 1.8% decline in Q1 of last year. The decrease reflects the flow-through of the more aggressive pricing environment. We've been encouraged to see a return to more rational behavior in April and continue to focus on premium Bell-branded subscribers and Fiber-led bundling to support the quality of our subscriber base.
Moving to Internet. Residential fiber-to-the-home net adds, our new separately disclosed metric totaled 42,750 in the quarter, a strong result. Where we have Fiber, demand remains solid and our market share position continues to be strong. Turning to Video. Video net adds totaled 10,103 in the quarter compared to a net loss of close to 16,000 in Q1 last year, an improvement of approximately 26,000 year-over-year. This was driven by strong uptake of the streaming bundles we launched in the second half of last year, and it speaks directly to the product intensity momentum that Mirko Bibic referenced. Turning to the financial results for Bell CTS Canada. Bell Business Markets was a clear highlight this quarter. BBM revenue grew 9.7% in Q1, driven by 113% growth in AI-powered solutions. That's Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric combined. All 3 components contributed to this growth result.
Beginning in Q1, we're providing incremental transparency by disclosing BBM operating revenues with a service and product split, consistent with the transparency commitments we made at Investor Day. In late March, we launched our second Bell AI Fabric data center in Mereit, D.C. Revenue and EBITDA were recognized upon delivery under finance lease accounting. Going forward, we expect the majority of our AI Fabric agreements to be structured as operating leases, including our Winnipeg data center and our announced Saskatchewan data center. The accounting treatment has no impact on the free cash flow we expect to capture over the term of the agreement. Wireless service revenue was down 0.6%, the improving trajectory we saw through 2025 was disrupted by the competitive pricing environment in Q1. Wireless product revenue was down 6.3%, reflecting fewer device upgrades and lower contracted sales as the market shifted towards [indiscernible] your own device activations.
Turning to Bell CTS U.S. on Slide 10. Ziply Fiber continues to perform in line with our expectations and the plan we shared at Investor Day. Q1 total revenue was $234 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $102 million, representing a 43.6% margin, an improvement from 43.1% in Q4. Margin performance reflects continued operating discipline and efficiencies within the business. On the subscriber front, Ziply added nearly 7,000 net new fiber customers in the quarter, penetration across new and existing markets tracking consistent with historical cohort performance. Where we have Fiber, we continue to win our share. The Ziply's plan to reach approximately 3 million fiber passings by the end of 2028 is on track. As construction ramps through the balance of the year, we expect both operating and subscriber momentum to accelerate.
Over to Bell Media on Slide 11. Total revenue was up 0.4% in the quarter. Subscriber revenue grew 11.8%, driven by continued strength in Crave and Sports [indiscernible] streaming as well as the benefit of a retroactive adjustment related to a contract renewal with a Canadian TV distributor. Advertising revenue was down 12.8%, reflecting continued softness in non-sports traditional advertising demand, lower audio revenue following last year's radio station divestitures, the absence of the prior year benefit from the federal election and the shift of advertising dollars to the principal broadcaster of the 2026 Olympic Winter Games. That said, our Digital strategy continues to have significant momentum.
Digital Video Advertising revenue grew 32% year-over-year, and total Digital revenues now represent 46% of Bell Media revenue, up 3 points from a year ago. Operating costs were up 1.1%, driven by contractual content cost increases for premium sports and entertainment programming, partly offset by lower labor costs and operating efficiencies, resulting in an EBITDA decline of 2.5%. As Mirko noted, we remain on pace to deliver positive revenue and EBITDA growth for the full year.
Turning to the balance sheet on Slide 12. We ended Q1 with $4.3 billion of total available liquidity, up from $2.5 billion at year-end, supported by $1.5 billion hybrid note issuance completed in February and a $750 million public debt offering in late March. Our liquidity position is strong and provides significant financial flexibility. Our defined benefit pension plans remain in excellent shape with a solvency surplus of approximately $4.5 billion and a solvency ratio of approximately 123%. We continue to benefit from the full contribution [indiscernible]. Net debt leverage was approximately 3.8x at the end of Q1, essentially unchanged from year-end. A couple of important items to unpack here.
First, we paid $542 million of cash taxes in Q1 related to the $4.7 billion sale of our MLSC stake. That's a onetime cash outflow that is excluded from our free cash flow definition, but did reduce cash on hand in the quarter. Second, our reported leverage still reflects only 8 months of Ziply Fiber EBITDA in the trailing 12-month calculation. On a pro forma basis, adjusted to include a full 12 months of Ziply fiber EBITDA, our net debt leverage ratio would be approximately 3.7x. Looking ahead, we have a clear line of sight to further de-leveraging. The announced disposition of our Land Mobile Radio Network Services business to Motorola Solutions for $675 million is expected to close in Q4 and upon closing, will improve our net debt leverage ratio by approximately 0.04x. We remain firmly on track to achieve our target net debt leverage ratio of 3.5x by the end of 2027 and to move below that level in 2028, while we continue to fund our strategic growth priorities.
Turning to our 2026 financial targets on Slide 13. As a reminder, we updated our 2026 guidance on March 16, solely to reflect the expected financial impact of the Saskatchewan AI data center. Table on the slide shows both the original February guidance and the revised March guidance side by side, so you can see the impact of our build in 2026. We expect to begin recognizing revenue and EBITDA from Saskatchewan in 2027. We remain confident in our full year guidance ranges. We're delivering on the commitments we made on de-leveraging, on capital discipline and on free cash flow growth. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Kris and the operator to begin Q&A.
Thank you, Curtis. Before we start Q&A, I just want to remind everyone that due to time constraints this morning because of our AGM taking place after this call [Operator Instructions] With that, Matthew, we're ready to take our first question.
Our first question is from Drew McReynolds from RBC.
2. Question Answer
Just Mirko, on the regulatory environment. I think it's a little bit confusing. On the Wireless side, there's some kind of archaic kind of price control type things being implemented, on the Wireline side, it looks like we've got a relatively constructive TPIA kind of final access rates on fiber. And then out of Ottawa, it looks like they want to build, but sometimes that's not obvious in telecom. So love to just get a [indiscernible] updated view from you. And then in terms of the CapEx reduction across the space, just how could that evolve over time if the investment climate, i.e., regulatory environment improves?
Thanks for the question, Drew. I think the company's, BCE's views on kind of the regulatory environment writ large pretty well known. We've been staunch defenders of facilities-based competition, but facilities-based competition, off premise on an environment where companies are encouraged to invest in their networks, and that drives long-term sustainable competition. So I'm not going to kind of re-litigate all of that. I also don't intend to re-litigate the wholesale access decision for fiber. Our views are well known on that. And -- but when you put all these things together, whether or not it's the kind of more kind of micro rules that are coming out in wireless that you referred to or the bigger kind of more policy-oriented fundamental rules like fiber access, put all those together.
-- and clearly, it's having an impact on investment in the industry. And this is something I personally have been talking about for as long as I've operated in the industry, which is January 2004 and as much a believer that if you create a framework that encourages investment, investment will come. And if you create an environment that discourages investment, investment will suffer. And you just take a look at -- I refer back to 2022 because that's when we started to pull back on core Canadian telecom CapEx. But if you just look at the capital investments over that short period of time in our industry, on an annual basis, there is literally multiple billions of dollars of annual CapEx that are no longer being invested. So I mean, that's frankly unfortunate.
Now look what we're doing. We're being very, very disciplined in our core segment capital allocation, especially being very disciplined on legacy segments within the core business. Thankfully, we saw this a couple of years ago. Thankfully, we've developed some highly differentiated opportunities where we can deploy capital in high-growth, high-return segments that aren't regulated. So that's how we've pivoted. If the environment for the core businesses in the country were to shift, I'm sure capital would flow back.
Our next question is from Maher Yaghi from Scotiabank.
I just wanted to double down on the Saskatchewan investment. So you guys mentioned you disclosed that you're going to get $400 million of prepayments and setup fees. Have you received any of those in Q1? Or when should we expect to see those flow into your balance sheet? And will they show up in the cash flow statement in working capital or deferred revenue is going to start showing those numbers? And the second question on that, is, can you provide some of the contractual protections you have with those customers in Saskatchewan? If there were delays, downsizing or exits from them in terms of termination fees, minimum payments, credit support, et cetera. And again, finally, on that, with the schedule that you have -- to have full capacity run rate by late 2027, what are the key building milestones that we should be thinking about in order to assess your advancement on that project?
I'll jump in. Maher, there's a lot to unpack, so we'll circle back if we miss anything. So no, in terms of spend to date, we have spent some CapEx in Saskatchewan, but it's less than $20 million in quarter. So again, some spending we're off and running, but no payments that we've made that would then be refunded. Again, that would reduce our net capital at risk, but that hasn't happened yet. I mean, ultimately, we're looking to spend more CapEx. I'd say Q2 and Q3 are going to be the heavier CapEx spends where purchase orders for equipment, as Mirko said, over 90% of our equipment, we have purchase orders in. And so when that equipment starts coming in, CapEx will go up, and we'll make sure to disclose what is gross, what is net and what refunds have actually been credited along the way.
To flip to your next question, we do have standard protections, won't list them all, but it is a take-or-pay contract. So it's not a contract where, okay, they only need 60% along the way and then ramps up. It's a take-or-pay contract. Then in terms of milestones along the way, again, we'll be transparent. We'll provide information along the way. I think there are a few different phases. One is permitting and getting the site ready, which you see is well underway. So the earthworks, the piling. The second is putting up the four walls, which eventually you'll see on site. We're actually doing some prefab work off-site right now so that we, again, remain efficient in our time line. So I would say prep work, prefab, start putting up walls and then installing gensets cooling, et cetera. So we'll keep our breast, but that's how I kind of bucket the different milestones.
Our next question is from Stephanie Price from CIBC World Markets.
I'll stick with AI. And Mirko, I think you mentioned upside that you see to the $2 billion 2028 AI-powered Solutions target. Just curious if you can give us any update on line of sight to deploying the additional, I think it's about 400 megawatts of power or any additional data points you have on the demand environment here?
I think I shouldn't be too specific other than to say a very high degree of confidence in our ability to monetize the 800 megawatts for a reasonable period of time. And that very high degree of confidence comes from the nature of the discussions we're having with a number of significant potential customers, very significant customers. So the conversations are in great shape, and that would be both on AI Fabric. And certainly, there's momentum in the parts of the AI Solutions business that is outside the data centers. So the ancillary services, a lot of momentum there.
Again, if you take a look at AI Powered Solutions generally and even if you pull out the Merit facility, there's been a strong growth there across Ateko and Bell Cyber. And just a reminder, just back to your question, Stephanie, we did say, put Saskatchewan aside because that was incremental. But if you go back to the fairly conservative 73-megawatts that we said we would monetize over a 3-year period, we're already 40% of that 73-megawatts fully contracted, and we're only 1 quarter into a kind of basically a 3-year guide. So I didn't think we'd be 40% of the way there at the end of Q1 when we outlined the plan back in October. So that's why expressing a high degree of confidence.
Our next question is from Tim Casey from BMO Capital Markets.
Mirko, both you and Curtis in your comments talked about how when pricing normalizes coming out of Q1, can you just walk through why you think that? I mean, what's going to change in behavior given we're in a low growth environment and high penetration environment? What gives you confidence that, that pricing environment in both Wireless and Wireline is going to improve going forward?
Thanks for the question, Tim. So I mean the first data point is that so far in Q2, we're only a month in. Pricing has stabilized. So that's a positive sign. Now pretty -- second point is just generally as we operate, when you're in a low-growth environment, I subscribe to kind of what analysts like have been saying, which is in that low-growth environment, pricing discipline should prevail over everything else. I don't plan to get into who did what in Q1 and when. But I will emphasize what our plan has been, and it's consistent, focus on the premium Bell brand where we have the better ability to increase product intensity.
And by the way, in product intensity, I'm obviously referring to both Fiber and the streaming content bundles that we have. And we will have to continue to differentiate ourselves on customer experience. So we -- going back, kind of first signs in Q2 positive in terms of price stability. Secondly, we don't plan to lead on pricing, and we're going to focus on overall value prop. We're going to optimize lifetime economics. But ultimately, it is a competitive market. So we have to kind of check and adjust along the way every once in a while. But so far, so good in Q2.
How about on the bundling side? Are you seeing any lessening or moderation of intensity there?
Tim, no, on the fiber-led bundling, it's actually up a little bit in Q1 versus our embedded base. So no signs of slowing down. Again, we do have the biggest fiber footprint in Canada. So we're certainly leveraging that product advantage.
Our next question is from Sebastiano Petti from JPMorgan.
A quick housekeeping question. If you could provide the, I guess, wholesale contribution to retail Internet adds in the first quarter because I think if you look at it on an adjusted basis, retail wholesale was a drag or a decline in 1Q of '25. And so I wasn't sure if maybe you could provide us with the wholesale contribution in 1Q '26. We kind of have a like-for-like as we kind of think about the subsequent quarters. So that's the first question.
And then second question, obviously, lots of focus around satellite broadband and direct-to-device connectivity on the Wireless side as well. I guess, are you seeing any impact from satellite broadband in your maybe more rural non-fiber markets? Obviously, Fiber wins in the FTTH footprint. But above and beyond that, are you seeing any maybe incremental nibbling on the margins there?
And then lots of headlines recently with ASTS, Space Mobile. Can you guys maybe help us think about how you see that product evolving over time and what your kind of ambitions are there, obviously? And how do you kind of see it as table stakes going forward as you kind of think about your consumer led or trying to meet your consumers where they are in terms of product demand?
Thanks, Sebastian. I'll do the second part, and then, [indiscernible], you can handle the first question. So on the second part, we're really excited about our partnership with AST and the upcoming service that we'll be able to deliver to Canadian consumers to solidify the network experience they have with us, particularly on the direct-to-device side, where where we don't have coverage. So that's going to be the principal use case for us, but we recognize that in -- with AST, we'll be able to provide voice broadband, streaming, data, all of it. So quite excited about the partnership with AST and in fact, we're in the cap table. So we're excited about that, too. So that's on AST.
More broadly on Satellite Broadband and its impact in rural. Satellite Broadband, generally speaking, like now I'm going to give you a macro answer. We're not seeing it have an impact where we have fiber, and you can see it in our strong fiber numbers. So nothing replaces fiber, frankly, for broadband. In rural areas, where we have legacy copper, low-speed DSL, and that's not competitive. So whether or not it's a Tier 1 cable or fixed wireless or satellite broadband, you can expect to continue to see losses where we have DSL. So that's just the facts and whether or not it's broadband -- Satellite Broadband or something else that's eating away at our customer base there kind of really doesn't matter which one it is. So that's kind of my answer there. I hope that's helpful, Sebastiano, on satellite broadband and AST.
And Sebastiano, on the first part of your question. So we did restate 2025. So it is apples-to-apples. And going forward, that is how we're going to report. And we do think it's just how we monetize the network in this current rate environment. So we think it's more appropriate to share it on a combined basis. But again, it is apples-to-apples period-over-period.
Yes. But if we look at the new reporting versus the old reporting, you can see that there's a decline of, call it, 6,000 in 1Q, right, on your new reporting relative to your old reporting. So I wasn't sure if there is wholesale is a contributing factor to the 14%. Or is it -- it would report it have been higher or lower without wholesale is the question essentially.
Yes. I would assume wholesale impact year-over-year has had a bigger impact given the rate environment. But again, it is still monetization of our network going forward. So everything is driving revenue.
And the Retail performance remains quite strong. I mean retail, I mean, our own branded performance remains quite strong.
Our next question is from Jerome Dubreuil from Desjardins Securities.
Two on AI Fabric. The first one is a follow-up to Stephanie's question on the 427 megawatt of power that is not contracted yet. You said you're pretty confident to be able to monetize that. Any chance you can talk about whether this could be made at kind of similar IRRs and what you're talking about on the Saskatchewan side?
And the second one on AI Fabric is if you can kind of quantify or talk about your ability to be -- to secure additional power going forward in Canada?
Thanks, Jerome. Yes. So the first question is, yes, we're still -- we have our eyes set on -- or objectives set on strong returns through monetization of the remaining power we have access to. Remember, and I reiterated this in my opening remarks, our approach on all this is going to be return-led, demand driven. So if the demand sign the contracts, invest the capital to build, generate the returns.
So return-led demand driven. And on -- is there a possibility of having more than 800 megawatts to monetize? Yes, that is possible. We keep looking at opportunities. So we have nothing to announce in terms of access to power beyond 800 megawatts, but it's something we're looking at. If the opportunities arise, we will definitely seize upon them.
Our next question is from Vince Valentini from TD Securities.
Clarification first, Curtis. Can you give us what the revenue and EBITDA was from the Merit B.C facility this quarter? And then secondly, we're talking about these subs and the definition changes. Fine, it makes perfect sense to count wholesale and account streaming subs. Can I just like make sure you're not changing any executive compensation formulas to give yourselves bonuses based on subs given the change in definition? It's just you're changing it because you think that's a more transparent way to show it to us?
No, sub growth, sub volumes, connections, none of that is baked into any of the metrics for our compensation. Our compensation is based -- certainly the long-term compensation, Vince, as you know, we've talked about this before, is based on driving free cash flow and hitting our leverage targets.
And then Vince, to your question on the AI Fabric, if you look to the product revenue change year-over-year, it's about $100 million. You can -- roughly, that's the impact of the finance lease facility.
One more thing actually on the Vince, just jumping in here on the question around the sub metrics and particularly around the content ones. I think Curtis has handled already the fiber subs. But on the streaming bundles, let me explain that kind of the philosophy behind the change. If you go all the way back to 1999, when we launched Satellite TV, what the Bell consumer business has been offering to consumers is bundled content. And that's what we offer. So that was Satellite TV at first, and then we had Fibe TV, Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 3, and we're into hardware free TV and now we're into streaming content bundles. All of those is just about providing bundles of content to consumers. So we shouldn't kind of measure ourselves based on the technology we use to deliver that. It's the fact that we're delivering bundled content. That's why we changed the subscriber metrics for TV.
I appreciate that, Marco. Just curious, sorry, on the $100 million revenue, we kind of derive that I agree from the product revenue. It's really the EBITDA and the margins. I mean I assume this is positive margin product revenue, like 20%, 25% margin. Is that somewhere in the ballpark?
Yes. I'd say it's a little higher than that and in line with the numbers we provided for the entirety of the 73-megawatt portfolio.
Our next question is from Batya Levi from UBS.
Can you talk a little bit about the trends that you're seeing in the U.S. maybe in terms of the competitive intensity and pricing you're seeing in the market? And a quick reminder of Ziply contribution for revenue and EBITDA would be helpful. I think you had mentioned that you would expect revenues to grow double digits. Is that still the outlook?
Well, the first one -- I'll take the first one, [indiscernible]. So the underlying fundamentals for Ziply are there. They remain there. The demand for fiber is very strong. Customers prefer fiber. There's no different in the U.S. than it is in Canada, as you know. And particularly where we have fiber, the penetration gains are following the profile that Ziply has had since its inception and creation in 2020 and in line with what we see at Bell where we have fiber. So all the long-term economics all remain very supportive on that front.
And as far as the competitive dynamics are concerned, again, so I'm telling -- when I'm saying that our penetration gains where we have fiber remain as expected and in line with what we've seen in the past, that includes -- the more recent period where some of the cable competitors have been more aggressive on pricing. And more recently, we've seen better stability or more stability on broadband pricing where we operate in the U.S. from our major competitors compared to perhaps the end of last year.
And then in terms of the contribution, so in Q1 last year, Batya, it's Curtis, right, it's $234 million of revenue and just over $100 million of EBITDA. So representing growth if you just multiply it by 4% versus the 0.9% that we talked about in 2025 for Ziply fiber. But ultimately, the growth for us is continue to drive our footprint expansion, leverage our partnership with PSP to fund incremental footprint build. I would say Q1 of '26 was the first time that Network FiberCo actually deployed capital. So that will continue to ramp and continue to help Ziply drive penetration and subscriber growth.
And the real growth metric for us is by the time we get to 2028, right, drive way more subs and significant revenue and EBITDA growth. So kind of short-term percentages -- percent growth will be good, but we're looking for total dollars of contribution as we continue to ramp and get through some of the initial ramp. So '27, '28 financials are what I'm focused on.
Our next question is from Matthew Griffiths from Bank of America.
I just want to circle back again to the AI-powered revenue. So just some clarifications, maybe just for my benefit. But for the AI Fabric, is all of that revenue going to get grouped into the product revenue as these facilities come online? And then the growth in AI-powered revenue overall seems to be -- and maybe you can give some color on the other like Ateko and Cyber's contribution to that growth because it's partially because of the Merit facility being delivered, that was near the end of the quarter, and I can't imagine that was at that stage, a really big driver of the year-over-year increase. Just maybe some details on like the other part of the [indiscernible] that is driving that line would be helpful.
Sure. Matt, it's Curtis. So the Merit facility is recognized as a finance fee. So yes, it does hit -- it benefits the product revenue, and that's the roughly $100 million year-over-year increase that you would see there. So the first 2 facilities, Mission Flat and Merit, both accounted for as finance leases. Again, the accounting -- the revenue and EBITDA accounting follows the contract. There is no difference at all in free cash flow. We capture free cash flow over the term of the contract. So we'll continue to reap the free cash flow benefit over time.
The Winnipeg facility is operating lease. That's why you don't see much of a benefit in this quarter. But again, free cash flow over time, revenue -- service revenue and EBITDA over time as well as CapEx. So again, for Winnipeg operating lease, you saw CapEx in Q1, we actually spent, but you haven't seen the impact of the benefit of revenue in EBITDA. And then when you look at Saskatchewan, again, that's operating lease. So you're seeing the burden of CapEx hit our financials, but revenue will be service revenue over time and EBITDA will be captured over time as well. And we do expect the majority of our AI Fabric contracts signed going forward to have operating lease treatment.
Okay. Got it. And then the contribution of -- to the growth from Cyber or Ateko? Or are you just saying from the Fabric...
No. If you strip away AI Fabric from AI-powered solutions, so Atekco and Bell Cyber collectively are both growing and collectively north of 30% year-over-year growth.
Well I think that was our last question, just given timing here. So thank you all again for your participation on the call this morning. Curtis and I will be available throughout the day for follow-up questions or clarifications. Thank you to all, and have a great day.
Thanks, everyone.
Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.
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BCE Inc. — Q1 2026 Earnings Call
BCE Inc. — Q1 2026 Earnings Call
BCE berichtet Q1‑2026: Umsatz +4%, solide FCF, starkes AI‑Momentum (BBM +9,7% / AI‑Lösungen +113%) bei klarer Kapitalfokus‑Strategie.
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: Konsolidiert +4% YoY.
- Adj. EBITDA: +2,9% YoY; Marge -40 Basispunkte auf 42,7%.
- Free Cash Flow: $804 Mio (+0,8%); Definition angepasst (Steuern auf große Veräußerungen ausgeschlossen).
- AI/BBM: Bell Business Markets +9,7%; AI‑powered solutions +113% YoY; Ziel AI‑Umsatz auf ~$2 Mrd bis 2028.
- Net Adds: Residential FTTH ~43k (gesamt inkl. Ziply ~50k); Postpaid ≈16.9k; Video +10.1k.
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Kapitalallokation: Prioritäten: De‑Leveraging, Wachstum (AI, US‑Fiber) und nachhaltige Dividende; letzte Verkäufe (u.a. Land Mobile Radio) dienen Leverage‑Ziel.
- AI‑Fabric‑Strategie: Differenzierende Kombination aus Netzwerk, Energiezugang und purpose‑built AI‑Infrastruktur; Saskatchewan‑Projekt als Kern mit hoher Renditeerwartung.
- Digital Media: Transformation von Bell Media vorangeschritten: Crave‑Subs +25% YoY, Fokus auf Originals und Sportrechte als Kundentreiber.
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Guidance: 2026‑Spannen bleiben unverändert nach Anpassung für Saskatchewan; Umsatz/EBITDA‑Effekt von Saskatchewan wird ab 2027 erfasst.
- Leverage‑Ziel: Netto‑Verschuldungsgrad ~3,8x Ende Q1 (pro‑forma ~3,7x); Ziel 3,5x bis Ende 2027, weiter darunter 2028.
- CapEx‑Trend: Core‑Canadian CapEx deutlich reduziert (2022: $5.1Mrd → < $3Mrd 2026); AI & Ziply treiben erhöhten Investitionsbedarf.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Regulierung & CapEx: Analysten fragten nach Auswirkungen regulatorischer Eingriffe auf Investitionsbereitschaft; Management betont Facilities‑based competition als Voraussetzung für Investitionen.
- Saskatchewan‑Details: Nachfrage nach Anzahlungen, vertraglichen Schutzklauseln (take‑or‑pay) und Baumeilensteinen; Permits erwartet bis Juli, erste Phase H1 2027.
- Marktdynamik: Wettbewerbsintensität Wireless/Q1‑Promotionen, Normalisierung in Q2 erwartet; Ziply‑Performance und US‑Fiber‑Rollout wurden als Wachstumstreiber vertieft.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Call zeigt ein zweigleisiges Profil: moderates Kernwachstum in Telco‑Geschäft und starkes, skalierbares Upside durch AI‑Fabric und Digital Media. Bilanz‑ und Liquiditätslage sind robust, Hauptrisiken bleiben regulatorische Rahmenbedingungen und kurzfristige Preiswettbewerbe.
BCE Inc. — Shareholder/Analyst Call - BCE Inc.
1. Management Discussion
Good morning. Welcome to the BCE conference call following the announcement of the Bell AI Fabric Data Center in Saskatchewan. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Kris Somers. Please go ahead, Mr. Somers.
Thank you, Matthew. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining on short notice. As you're aware by now, this morning, we announced that we are building a new 300-megawatt data center in Saskatchewan. The purpose of today's call is to provide you with additional details and perspective on this project. This morning, we will have prepared remarks from Mirko Bibic, President and CEO of BCE and Bell Canada; John Watson, Group President of Business Markets, AI Fabric and Ateko; and Curtis Millen, our Chief Financial Officer. We will also have with us today Dan Rink, President of AI Fabric, who will be on the line to support Q&A.
Before we begin, I'd like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement on Slide 2, reminding you that today's slide presentation and remarks made during the call will include forward-looking information, and therefore, are subject to risks and uncertainties. Results could differ materially. We disclaim any obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law.
With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Mirko.
Good morning, everyone. This morning, we've dialed into this call from Regina, where we announced a transformational expansion of Bell AI Fabric with a 300-megawatt AI data center in Saskatchewan, our largest investment ever in the province. For 145 years, Bell's investments in communications technology have been integral to Canada's economic prosperity. Now, our vision to lead in AI infrastructure and solutions and to drive the next wave of economic growth has clear momentum. I want to frame this announcement around 3 clear points. First, it reinforces and accelerates Bell's long-term growth profile and is incremental to the financial framework we laid out at Investor Day.
Second, it materially strengthens Canada's sovereign AI capacity and AI infrastructure, supporting secure Canadian-controlled environments for governments, public institutions and enterprises. Third, this is a disciplined infrastructure investment, fully aligned with our clear strategic priorities and backed by a strong partnership with the Saskatchewan government, SaskTel, SaskPower and importantly, long-term contracted customers and contracted revenue. With this announcement, we now have line of sight to monetizing approximately 800 megawatts of power, including the 300 megawatts we're announcing today and the 73 megawatts we referenced at Investor Day back in October.
We're also very aware that a project of this scale must be diligently managed, including construction and counterparty considerations. That's exactly why we structured this investment the way we have and why we are confident in our ability to execute. Bell has a long track record of delivering large-scale complex infrastructure projects across the country, including our multiyear, multibillion-dollar fiber build-out, which we executed with discipline, rigor and a clear focus on risk management. We're approaching this project with that same mindset. Phased, contracted and grounded in capabilities we have proven repeatedly at scale. From a financial perspective, this project meaningfully improves our revenue, EBITDA and free cash flow growth while strengthening our credit profile and dividend coverage over the medium term.
What also differentiates Bell here is our ability to deliver solutions by bringing the right partners into our ecosystem. Through Bell AI Fabric, we combine infrastructure, connectivity, security, AI integration and services, working with best-in-class partners rather than trying to do everything ourselves. That partner-led integrated approach allows us to meet customer needs at scale while remaining disciplined on risk and capital. Let me start with the why. AI is rapidly becoming foundational infrastructure for governments, enterprises and research institutions, particularly in regulated data-sensitive environments.
What customers are telling us very clearly is that they don't just need access to compute, they need secure, sovereign Canadian-controlled infrastructure integrated with connectivity, security and services. That's exactly the need Bell AI Fabric was built to address. With this project, Bell is investing to build the physical infrastructure, the space, the power, cooling and connectivity required to support AI workloads at scale. We're making this investment with clear visibility to significant contracted revenue, EBITDA and free cash flow. Importantly, we are not buying chips, and we're not speculating on future technology winners or cycles.
We continue to partner with best-in-class compute providers, and we deploy capital only once we have customer commitments. This Saskatchewan facility is a clear example of the discipline we outlined last year, driving significant growth while managing risk. We've secured long-term tenant agreements with Cerebras and CoreWeave, 2 large global AI leaders with strong access to capital. They will supply and fund the compute hardware, and they will utilize the full 300 megawatts of capacity. Bell's role is the infrastructure layer, where we have a durable advantage and where returns are infra-like. We know that AI is here to stay, that it's transformational and that it will be a major input to economic growth.
At the same time, it will continually evolve. And regardless of how that evolution unfolds, AI will always require secure power, space, connectivity and sovereign infrastructure, which is exactly where Bell is positioned. A key element, as I mentioned, is sovereignty. We have the flexibility to allocate a significant amount of capacity to sovereign AI workloads, ensuring that Canadian governments, public institutions and enterprises can run advanced AI workloads under Canadian jurisdiction with data residency and data ownership and control preserved. Until these sovereign workloads materialize, our customers will be using this capacity with other offtakers. This project also reinforces what we communicated at our recent Investor Day. Bell has renewed momentum backed by a unique set of differentiated assets working together and tightly aligned to our core strengths.
Our broader AI-powered solution strategy is a great illustration of this momentum. AI Fabric does not stand alone. It complements Ateko and Bell Cyber, allowing us to participate across the AI value stack, infrastructure, security and integration, while remaining disciplined on risk. Before I hand it to John, I want to be very clear on one final point that matters, of course, to investors. This investment does not change our financial philosophy communicated at Investor Day. Today's announcement is contracted, it's phased and it's return driven. It strengthens our long-term EBITDA and free cash flow profile, and we remain laser-focused on achieving our 3.5x net debt leverage target by the end of 2027 and continuing to delever in 2028 and beyond.
John will now walk through the operating model and execution.
Thanks, Mirko. Good morning, everyone. I'll focus on what we're building, how it comes online and how risk is managed. This is a 300-megawatt purpose-built AI center located in the rural municipality of Sherwood just outside of Regina. The site was selected for power availability, scalability and redundancy. This project is made possible because of the Saskatchewan government's strong partnership and engagement. Saskatchewan wants to be at the center of AI development in Canada, and we're proud to be part of their vision. We will construct the Saskatchewan data center in phases with each phase coming online in sequence. As we've outlined in the deck, the facility is expected to come online through 2027 and be fully operational by 2027 year-end.
To support disciplined execution, we're in the midst of a competitive construction RFP process and have received bids from leading national data center construction firms. We are not self-building. We're deliberately selecting experienced partners with proven delivery track records at this scale. In parallel, we're actively managing procurement risk by placing early orders for long lead time equipment, including generators, chillers and key building materials and arranging for warehousing where appropriate. This approach is designed to reduce exposure to supply chain constraints and avoid scheduled delays. On the commercial side, Cerebras and CoreWeave are anchor tenants.
They will fully utilize this data center. They contract with Bell for long-term access to space, power and infrastructure, and they're responsible for contracting with their end customers for the majority of workloads. For the sovereign component, Bell will work with partners, including SaskTel to support Canadian public sector and enterprise demand. From a risk mitigation perspective, there are 3 things to highlight. First, construction and execution risk. Through phased deployment, modular design, competitive procurement, early ordering of long lead time equipment and strong municipal and provincial engagement, we have taken steps to limit the risk associated with construction. We're building on experience from our recent AI data center developments that were delivered using standardized, reproducible designs, repeatable processes and experienced delivery partners, which gives us confidence in our ability to execute this project as planned.
In addition, we will supplement Bell's internal teams with specialized on-site data center engineering and operations partners, reducing execution and uptime risk. Bell has been building infrastructure in Canada for 145 years. So this is a familiar path for us and one in which we'll execute as we always do. Second, counterparty and demand risk. In line with the plans we outlined at Investor Day, we have secured tenants before committing capital. This project is fully contracted with 100% of capacity already sold. Our contracts are long-term in structure to provide infrastructure-like cash flows and Bell does not take uncontracted exposure to AI utilization or AI pricing.
Our pipeline is significant, and we'll continue to see strong demand for capacity from customers and potential partners, providing optionality beyond this fully contracted project. Third, technology and obsolescence risk. Bell does not only compute hardware. Our tenants do. That materially reduces technology risks and keeps our capital focused where we earn our returns and create the most value. Finally, on community and sustainability.
The project includes commitments around local employment, indigenous economic participation through our memorandum of understanding with George Gordon First Nation and a water smart, energy-efficient design, including a closed-loop cooling system that does not draw water from municipal water sources as well as plans we're exploring around waste heat reuse with post-secondary institutions and others.
Today is an exciting day for the team behind our strategy to lead in AI-powered solutions. Our full stack AI approach from Bell AI Fabric to Bell Cyber and Ateko has clear momentum. We're looking forward to meeting our enterprise and public sector clients' needs and scaling even further. With that, I'll hand it to Curtis to walk through the financial benefits of this project and its impact on our guidance.
Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. I'll focus on capital investment returns and how this project improves our 3-year growth profile, while we maintain our 3.5x net leverage target by the end of 2027 and moving below that level in 2028. Construction of this facility will require approximately $1.7 billion of incremental CapEx with approximately $1.3 billion expected to be incurred in 2026. This CapEx is fully reflected in the updated 2026 guidance we released this morning. The $1.7 billion total spend will be partially offset by approximately $400 million of onetime setup fees and customer prepayments in '26 and '27. From a revenue perspective, we expect revenue to begin in the second half of 2027 as the initial phases come online.
At full run rate, the Saskatchewan data center is expected to contribute approximately $500 million of revenue, $400 million of EBITDA and over $250 million of free cash flow for BCE. We've also engaged closely with the credit rating agencies on this project. They reviewed the structure, construction plan, contracted economics and risk mitigants and our current ratings and outlooks were maintained. From a returns perspective, we expect the project to deliver an IRR of approximately 20% at the data center level with additional upside potential from sovereign workloads, GPU as a service to enterprises as well as related services from Ateko and Bell Cyber.
These returns are driven by long-term contracted economics, not by assumption around AI pricing, AI utilization curves or the success of any specific AI application. Because revenue is contract-based and infrastructure like, this project does not introduce incremental earnings volatility relative to Bell's existing profile. As the Saskatchewan data center comes online in a series of 4 phases through 2027, we expect it to generate positive free cash flow in 2027 and to exit the year operating at an EBITDA run rate. Our investment will be funded through a combination of debt and cash on hand. On a run rate basis, the transaction is leverage neutral and significantly enhances our deleveraging profile over time.
Critically, this announcement does not change our capital allocation priorities. We remain committed to achieving 3.5x net debt leverage by year-end 2027 and moving below that thereafter. We're continuing to allocate funds toward our 4 strategic priorities. We will continue to pay a sustainable and attractive dividend and do not anticipate issuing common equity to fund this transaction. We've also increased our 2028 growth targets, reflecting the contribution from this project while keeping baseline capital intensity unchanged over the medium term. To be clear, the only reason for revising our guidance today is to reflect the Saskatchewan AI fabric project we announced this morning. There are no other changes to our underlying operating assumptions or outlook.
We're also increasing our objective for AI-powered solutions revenue from approximately $1.5 billion by 2028 to approximately $2 billion by 2028. In short, this is exactly the type of investment we said we would pursue at our Investor Day, infrastructure-based, contracted, disciplined, accretive to free cash flow and fully aligned with our clearly communicated strategic priority to lead an enterprise with AI-powered solutions.
Kris, let's open the line for questions.
Thanks, Curtis. [Operator Instructions] With that, Matthew, we're ready to take our first question.
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Vince Valentini from TD Securities.
2. Question Answer
I'm going to ask a question and hopefully a clarification. Question is just if you are reserving space for -- first of all, congratulations. This is a great announcement. But the sovereign space that you're reserving, if you like max that out or reach close to your targets on that, does that take the $400 million of EBITDA up to $450 million or $500 million? Can you give us any context on what kind of upside if you're successful selling some of the capacity on a sovereign basis?
Yes. So we haven't -- so the sovereign demand will -- it's Mirko, by the way. Vince, thank you. Let me start again. So the sovereign demand will evolve over time. We've reserved more than enough. We've contracted for the ability to allocate demand or compute to sovereign demand as that evolves, and we've reserved the ability for far more than the near-term demand that we expect from sovereign workloads. And as those sovereign workloads materialize, yes, that will be over and above -- in some respects, will be over and above given the ancillary services that would come with that to the $400 million in EBITDA, but we haven't profiled that yet because that's a function of when demand comes and the exact type of demand.
Okay. And the clarification is just on the press release and material assumptions on Page 14, assumptions concerning BCE. I'm not sure I understand the 2 columns. One on the left-hand side, for 2026 assumptions, it doesn't look like interest expense or depreciation have changed from what you gave us in February. I assume there'd be a little bit of impact because of the $1.7 billion of CapEx coming in during the year that would boost interest expense. Am I reading that right that the left-hand side is '26 has not changed and the right-hand side is the '28 targets?
Yes, correct, Vince. We still assume -- you're right, firstly, there's going to be a little bit of incremental interest, but it still falls within our initial range. So we did not update that range.
Okay. So it's still -- it wasn't a big enough impact to change the ranges, but it should...
Our next question is from Maher Yaghi from Scotiabank.
I want to spend some time on the contract that you signed with CoreWeave and Cerebras. How long are these contracts? And for how much capacity will they be using?
So they've contracted for -- between the 2 of them, the full 300 megawatts are contracted over a long period of time.
How long?
Many years. Think like a decade.
I understand. Are these renewable leases or it's one full long-term lease?
Yes, the contracts are renewable and the facilities will have a long life in terms of the components that we're investing in.
Okay. So when you say it's a long-term lease, are you assuming that these, let's say, call them medium-term leases get renewed or it's multiple long-term leases?
I might have to follow up after the fact. But if I understand the question, we have 2 tenants. We've leased the entirety of the data center capacity to them over a long-term period with an ability to continue to extend those lease agreements as they come due again in the long term. But it's a lease with one tenant, a lease with the other tenant.
Okay. So if I take, for example, one of them, I don't care. It doesn't matter, but let's say, the first tranche of the first lease, would that be more or less than 5 years?
They're all long term. So it's -- maybe we're confusing things, but they're each taking 2 data halls each. And each data hall that they sign up for is a long-term lease. It's not 5 years, it's longer than that. And every data hall has the same long-term lease. I mean they're not staggered in any way. They're all long-term leases.
Okay. And is there any attached signed residual value to these contracts? Are there guarantees if the tenants stop their contracts for any reason that they pay you a residual value guarantee.
So Maher, our tenants are Cerebras and CoreWeave, as you know, they're best-of-breed. They're well capitalized with global scale. The contract structure that we have with them has clear revenue visibility, inflation protection. And so that protects the infrastructure like long-term cash flows given the long-term leases. In the -- when you're thinking from a risk mitigation perspective, the underlying infrastructure that we're building here will remain attractive to a broad universe of customers over time. So very, very fungible as AI, demand for AI continues to outstrip supply. And keep in mind, we own and develop the land here. We have the building, the power, the cooling, the connectivity. We're not taking the technology obsolescence risk on the compute hardware.
And the last thing I'll say is the agreements that we have in place with these 2 customers have all the protections you would expect that we would build in, in terms of termination rights, renewal options at regular intervals and other credit protection mechanisms. I can't get into the details of those, but you can expect that we would have negotiated all the things you'd expect. And plus, Curtis mentioned in his opening remarks, some of the prepayments that they're making right now this year and next year that further derisks the project from our perspective.
Okay. And just on -- when do you expect the 300 megawatts to be running at a stabilized run rate? And when that happens, what's the expected cap rate?
Yes. As Curtis mentioned, as we exit 2027, we'll be at full run rate on revenue generation for the full 300 megawatts.
That's quite a fast build. Can you -- did you select already the construction project manager on this project?
So Dan Rink is going to answer that one.
Yes, this is Dan. So we've got the same team developing this that we've used to develop the prior data centers, and we're already in RFP and very close to final selection with a number of GC partners that will be building the various phases of this data center.
So you expect from date of first construction phase to be full running 300 megawatts in 1 year essentially?
Correct.
Yes. Maher, I answered that one. We're going to exit 2027 at full run rate on revenue generation, which means 4 data halls built and ready for service.
This isn't new for us. We've been actively doing this in these types of time frames, at scale building out other facilities. We've got some very novel ways to modularize and do a lot of work offsite and expedite the construction.
Finally, just one last -- 300-megawatt power, is it fully contracted already?
Yes, Maher. So fully contracted with -- through the Saskatchewan government and the Crown corporations that are part of this SaskTel for fiber and SaskPower and TransGas...
12 months, just to frame it, our customers are responsible for all of the work inside the halls. So we're delivering the facility. They will need to put the racks in and wire them and get that work done. So that should give you even more confidence in terms of the time line because they're responsible for that.
Yes, that's a great point, John. So we don't do any of the white space development. So that's a significant portion of the normal time of building a data center.
Yes, that's the delta that I was trying to figure out.
Our next question is from Stephanie Price from CIBC World Markets.
It's Sam Schmidt on for Stephanie Price. I wanted to talk about ongoing CapEx needs. Are there any associated with the data center? And does it change any longer-term capital intensity assumptions?
Yes. Thanks for the question. Look, this is a brand-new facility. We have modeled in some ongoing maintenance CapEx just to make sure that the facility is always up to code and always running smoothly. No expectation that it would change our $3.7 billion capital envelope once you get past the initial build phase in 2027.
Okay. And I'll just maybe squeeze in one more around margins. $500 million in revenue, $400 million in EBITDA implies quite high margins. Is that typical of how you are thinking about the data center opportunity? And then I'll pass the line.
Yes. Again, it's -- we do think these are attractive margins. It is a brand-new building. So the cost to operate a brand-new world-class facility are -- just drive efficient margins ultimately.
And also the facility of a complex of this size, brand new complex of the size that's brand new also gives us significant operating leverage given the scale.
Our next question is from Drew McReynolds from RBC Capital Markets.
Congrats on the announcement. Very interesting to get all the details. I appreciate that. Two for me. One, I guess, maybe for you, Mirko, you have line of sight on 800 megawatts. You've announced the 300 plus the 73 previously. Just how do you see that kind of playing out over the next few years? Obviously, this is a big one to tackle, but presumably, you may be working on others or maybe not. If you can comment on that? And then secondly, just with respect to this announcement, how do you begin to size up potential incremental opportunities for the likes of Ateko or Bell Fibre?
So I'll take the first one, Drew, and John will tackle your second question. On the first one, we're going to continue to take a very disciplined approach to the rollout of Bell AI Fabric. We -- certainly for the last 18 months, we've taken an approach that we're going to provide a road map to investors in terms of our strategy, our ambition and how the priorities are going to be funded, and we're going to be very transparent in that over multiple years, and we're going just to keep checking the boxes in terms of hitting key milestones. And that's what we're doing here. We're taking a very disciplined approach in terms of how we contract, who we contract with, demand-led, contract-based and returns driven.
So that's what we decided we would do at Investor Day when we thought we had -- we knew we had kind of a line of sight to 73 megawatts monetization over the Investor Day horizon. We also have been saying more recently that the pipeline and the interest and the potential demand has been much stronger than we even anticipated back in October as we were building the plan. But again, we wouldn't change anything until we had those contracts in place. And now you see an example of a very significant data center is about to be built because of the approach that we've taken. It's going to be the largest AI data center in Canada once it's operational in a very short period of time.
So to -- what do we do with the remaining 500 megawatts? We -- there continues to be significant demand. If -- we're not going to change the guidance beyond what we're saying today, we have clear line of sight to 373 megawatts being monetized. Should the clear interest allow us to pull some of that extra demand into the Investor Day time period between now and 2028, we'll certainly look at it. But the key factors will be returns driven, very strong IRR is going to be required. We're going to need well-capitalized partners, long-term agreements, and we don't plan to deviate from our deleveraging targets of 3.5x by 2027.
And of course, if there's opportunities and we can bring in funding partners to help us in that, we certainly will look at that as well. And you've seen how we were successful in doing that in the U.S. with PSP and Ziply fiber. So we're not -- we're open to that kind of approach if it's an opportunity to pull in more demand sooner. That was a long answer, so I'll stop there, but it was an important question. Over to you, John.
Great. Thanks, Mirko. Drew, I think the way to look at it, if you had 100 companies in our position right now, 99 out of the 100 would say this is an amazing day. Let's go and celebrate. I think what's different about us and why we say we're one of one, things are just getting started here. We see the opportunity to bring AI to life for public sector organizations for private sector. The growth in sovereign, the growth in helping them with their mega platforms and their hyperscaler deployments to enable AI at scale is a massive need. And the assets we put together are really unique in terms of helping enable that.
So I think you're going to see a lot of goodness that will come over the course of this year. We have very big targets. It started with the $1.5 billion, but the unique set of assets we have, the approach we have to stimulating demand, not just providing compute and consumption. Coveo, Cohere, SAP, 3 recent announcements to run on fabric in a sovereign domain, we're seeing tremendous interest. And it's now cascading into the largest private organizations with a desire to understand more about sovereign and how they could be beneficiaries of it. So we think the future is great across the full stack and today is a beautiful foundation to help accelerate that.
Our next question is from Jerome Dubreuil from Desjardins Securities.
First one is maybe back to Vince's question, trying to understand how the sovereign AI component works a bit better. I think you said the power, the 300 megawatts is fully allocated. But at the same time, the sovereign AI allocation is on top of the $400 million EBITDA that's expected. How exactly does that work? Do you have a bigger part of the pie if it's sovereign AI than other types of business?
Jerome, it's John. The sovereign side, as I mentioned a little bit earlier, we've essentially started to create demand across the board to consume it. And the challenge is not having the compute power. The challenge is stimulating demand, building an understanding, having the ecosystem brought together of a variety of companies. So you have a meaningful capability there that customers can take advantage of.
And we've been going flat out to build that and have those capabilities that companies, public and private can take advantage of. So it's flat out on that domain. And the compute is not the challenge. It's creating demand across the landscape. And I can tell you, it's coming now. The conversations and activities, it's really gaining momentum across the board. So we're really hopeful. But today, it's nascent. But I think by the end of this year, you're going to see some really good things in this domain.
And then Jerome, it's Mirko. Just the point I was trying to convey in my conversation with Vince was on the sovereign side, there's, of course, the sovereign workloads, just like non-sovereign workloads. But with sovereign, there will come managed services, not just workloads. That's the part I was trying to convey would be incremental to the business case.
Makes sense. That's good to see we're able to carve out a bigger part if you bring more value. The other one I have, just a clarification. I'm looking at the run rate free cash that you're expecting to be [ $250 ] million. I'm looking at the updated 2028 guidance, and I don't see it quite being fully reflected there unless my calculation is wrong. So maybe you can reconcile what's not completed at the beginning of 2028 since you said the EBITDA run rate is achieved at the end of 2027, maybe there's more building cost in '28 or something.
Jerome, it's Curtis. No, your math is not wrong. Revenue and EBITDA exit 2027 at a run rate level. but free cash flow takes a little bit longer to reach run rate level. So still very strong free cash flow in '28, '29, but has not yet hit run rate simply because there's an amortization period of the prepayments we received in '26, '27.
Our next question is from Sebastiano Petti from JPMorgan.
I guess, Curtis, just following up on that last point. Is it $400 million in upfront payments in each year, '26 and 2027? Is that correct?
Total across. So I think $1.7 billion spend less $400 million kind of refunds and prepayments gets you to $1.3 billion net capital at risk.
Got it. Okay. That's the point -- over the build period through 2027. Got it. Okay. And then as we think about additional opportunities, and you guys have cited the 500 megawatts since the Analyst Day, but you now have this new facility coming online here. As we think about it, is this a one-off unicorn in terms of the AI data center opportunity in Canada? Or could you see additional opportunities evolving perhaps in different provinces, right, that you could perhaps see additional facility demand like this kind of popping up? Just as we kind of think about Bell's positioning and the multiyear opportunity, could something like this pop up incrementally between now and your 2028 guidance? Just trying to think about the demand or the conversations you're having from some of the end consumers.
Yes. So there's 500 additional megawatts of capacity that we'll be looking to monetize over time. As I mentioned to Drew, if we can pull that in, we will under the parameters I've already mentioned, I won't repeat them. So -- and the demand is very strong. The 500 megawatts could be monetized -- will be monetized, I should say, over time. And it will be a mix of large data centers and smaller ones like we already launched last June in Mission Flats BC at 7 megawatts. So it will be a combination, a mix of the mega scale like the one we announced today, the smaller ones and everything in between.
In fact, we made a public announcement a few months ago that we have an MOU with Queen's University to monetize -- to build them a 40-megawatt data center. That's going to be dependent on Queen's University obtaining some funding. But if they do, they'll be paying commercial rates, but that gives you a sense of something between the 7 megawatts in Mission Flats and the 300 megawatts in Saskatchewan.
So it's that type of mix that we're talking about. The demand is very strong. And again, we're sitting here in a nice position at the intersection of AI demand, network, security, AI integration and in many cases, the sovereignty upside. So it's a great position to be in. And we've got those ancillary services, as John mentioned, that's going to create that flywheel of AI industrialization in Canada. So we're really excited about it.
Our next question is from Aravinda Galappatthige from Canaccord Genuity.
On the announcement and the work so far. With respect to Mirko, the remaining 500 megawatts that you plan on monetizing, should we think of sort of the associated capital expenditure to be sort of proportionate to sort of the announcement today? And secondly, maybe a quick question for Curtis. Given the comments you made about when you hit $400 million in EBITDA run rate at the end of '27, but the lag in free cash flow, should we think of this sort of being either neutral for 2027 or perhaps slightly dilutive to free cash flow in 2027?
Well, I'll take the first one. I should clarify as we've been having the exchanges and we're talking about the 500, let me just -- just because I want to be clear on the fact. So we have a total of 800 megawatts that we have a line of sight to that we can -- that we seek to monetize. And in our guidance, we -- through to 2028, we've now kind of factored in monetization of 373 megawatts. So what's left to be monetized is 800 minus 373. I know we've taken shorthand here on the call saying 500 left to be monetized. In terms of the profiling of kind of the revenue generation and the cost to build, the remaining megawatts that we can monetize. It's going to -- it's hard to answer that now, Aravinda, because it's going to depend on the mix of small, mid and large data centers.
When you have a large data center like the one we announced today, typically, your tenants are expecting a little bit of a better rate. On the other hand, you get way more operating leverage as you build greenfield, something this size. So you can see that in the flow-through as we discussed in response to an earlier question. And so the economics kind of vary a little bit depending on -- in terms of revenue and the flow-through and the capital cost depending on the size of the data centers, greenfield versus retrofit, et cetera. So it's hard to answer right now.
And then just on -- to follow up on that and then to get to your second question, Aravinda. So just to be clear, the 73 megawatts, the CapEx required to monetize that opportunity is baked into our capital envelope over the next 3 years. And importantly, we've said it a few times, but it bears repeating. We're only going to spend the CapEx once we have line of sight contracts into the actual revenue. So it's a different risk profile of CapEx spend. And ultimately, in the EBITDA side of the world, so yes, we'll be exiting 2027 at run rate revenue and EBITDA, but we're actually driving free cash flow accretion in 2027. So the last part of your question was free cash flow, but free cash flow in 2027 is going to be positive.
There are no further questions registered at this time. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Somers.
Matthew. And thank you, everyone, for your participation on the call this morning. Richard and I will be available throughout the day for follow-up questions or clarifications. Thanks, and have a great day.
Thanks, everyone.
Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.
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📣 Kernbotschaft
- Projekt: Bell baut ein 300‑Megawatt AI‑Rechenzentrum in Saskatchewan, phased, fertiggestellt bis Ende 2027.
- Kommerz: Gesamtkapazität ist vollständig zugekauft durch Cerebras und CoreWeave (langfristige, erneuerbare Verträge).
- Finanzen: Investition ~USD/CAD 1,7 Mrd. CapEx; erwarteter Volllauf: ~$500 Mio. Umsatz, $400 Mio. EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, Amortization), >$250 Mio. Free Cash Flow.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Souveränität: Kapazitäten für kanadische staatliche und regulierte Workloads reservierbar; Datenhoheit und lokale Bereitstellung betont.
- Asset‑Light‑Ansatz: Bell liefert Infrastruktur (Fläche, Strom, Kühlung, Connectivity); Tenant stellt Compute‑Hardware und finanziert diese selbst — reduziert Technologie‑Obsoleszenzrisiko.
- Risikomanagement: Phasierter Aufbau, wettbewerbliche Bau‑RFPs, Frühbestellungen für Long‑Lead‑Equipment, vertragliche Vorauszahlungen (~$400 Mio.) zur Derisikierung.
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Zeitplan: Erste Umsätze H2 2027; vollständiger Umsatz‑/EBITDA‑Run‑Rate‑Exit Ende 2027; Free Cash Flow erreicht späteres Run‑Rate‑Niveau wegen Amortisation von Vorauszahlungen.
- Kapital & Rating: Finanzierung durch Mix aus Fremdkapital und Barmitteln; Rating‑Agenturen haben Bewertungen und Ausblick beibehalten.
- Portfolio: Bell sieht Line‑of‑Sight zu ~800 MW insgesamt (inkl. 73 MW aus Investor Day); Guidance reflektiert aktuell 373 MW bis 2028.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Souverän‑Upside: Analysten fragten, ob staatliche (sovereign) Zuweisungen die $400 Mio. EBITDA erhöhen — Management: möglich, aber abhängig von Timing und Service‑Mix, noch nicht profiliert.
- Vertragsdauer & Schutz: Nachfrage nach Laufzeiten und Ausfallgarantien — Management: langfristige (dezimale) Leasingverträge mit üblichen Kündigungs‑/Schutzklauseln und Vorauszahlungen; Details nicht offengelegt.
- CapEx‑Timing & FCF: Wirkung der $1.7 Mrd. auf Zinsaufwand und Free Cash Flow — Management: ~ $1.3 Mrd. Netto‑CapEx in 2026, FCF positiv in 2027, keine Equity‑Emission geplant; Leverage‑Ziel 3,5x bis Ende 2027 bleibt.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Implikation: Das Projekt ist ein kapitalintensives, vertraglich gesichertes Infrastrukturinvestment, das Bellʼs AI‑Ambition substantiell beschleunigt, die EBITDA‑ und FCF‑Basis mittelfristig stärkt und gleichzeitig das Leverage‑Ziel bestätigt; Upside besteht durch sovereigne Services, hängt aber vom Timing der Nachfrage ab.
BCE Inc. — Morgan Stanley Technology
1. Question Answer
Okay. I'm Ben Swinburne, Morgan Stanley's telecom and media analyst. Quick disclosures. For important disclosures, please see the Morgan Stanley research disclosure website at morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. If you have any questions, please reach out to your Morgan Stanley sales rep.
And we are excited, I think, to welcome to the conference, I believe, for the first time, Mirko Bibic, who has served as President and CEO of Bell and Bell Canada since January of 2020. Mirko, thanks for being here.
Thank you, Ben. Glad to be here.
So you had an Investor Day, as you know, back in October, laid out a long-term vision for the company, a 3-year strategic plan. Revenue growth of 2% to 4%, adjusted EBITDA of 2% to 3% through '28. Why don't we start, level set for the audience sort of the key pillars underpinning that growth outlook for the business?
Yes. So thanks for the question. Throughout the course of 2025 last year, we really set about kind of outlining with clarity a forward-looking capital markets and operational strategy. Obviously, they work hand in glove. And you've now got before you a BC and the Bell Canada, essentially a renewed energy, renewed vigor, a lot of optimism around the plan. And I think from an investor point of view, what I'd really highlight is, as a management team, we've declared ourselves, like we've outlined what we are going to do over the next 3 years. And so now we've got a management team that's focused entirely on execution, execution, execution against that plan. We're not managing to yesterday or to this quarter necessarily, we're managing to 2026, '27 and '28.
And the plan is built around we call 4 plus 1, so the 4 strategic priorities, which are putting the customer first, delivering the best fiber and wireless networks, leading an enterprise with AI-powered solutions. And on the media side, it's about building a digital media and content powerhouse. So they all work together in a very tight integrated way. And it's all supported by the plus 1, which is a pretty aggressive cost reduction agenda. But importantly, it's about reducing costs while at the same time, improving customer experiences. So that's the plan.
Great. We'll dive into all those 4 plus 1 as we go through the conversation. Why don't we talk -- start with the consumer and SMB segment. So this is where you're targeting, I think, 4% to 5% compound growth in your sort of growth services over the next 3 years. It's still a very competitive environment in Canada. I don't need to tell you that on the telecom side. What are the things that you guys are doing specifically to help drive this accelerating growth from what we've been seeing over the last couple of years?
Right. So I'm glad you highlighted that on the consumer and SMB side, we've basically -- and we've done this for enterprise as well as we've outlined for investors -- we've shaped for them the profiling of saying, look, we are leaning into the growth vectors and those are going to grow. And in the case of consumer, you just mentioned there at 4% to 5%. And we've unpacked for investors the fact that we also -- we're a 145-year-old company that has a number of legacy businesses that are in structural decline. So we've separated the declining legacy businesses from the growth assets.
But on the consumer side, fiber and wireless, the way we're going to do it is really 3 key pillars, and it's all about execution again, churn and retention, so continue to get churn down in wireless and fiber Internet, product intensity. We recognized a couple of years ago that we've got a ways to go to match our peers and the number of households in our footprint that buy more than one product from us. And there's no reason why we can't get that up because we have the best fiber networks and leading wireless networks.
And the third thing we're going to do in order to get to those growth numbers is over-index our customer loadings on the premium Bell brand. So churn reduction, product intensity. So it's about mobility, Internet and content sales combined to as many households as possible, as many as possible on the premium Bell brand because that's where the highest value customers sit.
Great. We're going to unpack that more in a bit. I wanted to just stick with some of the big headlines from your Investor Day. So you guys put out a specific dollar number tied to AI, which is $1.5 billion of AI-powered solutions revenues over the next 3 years. So unpack that for us because I don't think too many people sort of think of Bell Canada as maybe a way to get exposure to AI.
It is -- we have -- there's a lot of momentum there behind the AI vector for us, and we're very optimistic about it. I think the punchline here is that you'll see that we are creating a significant amount of value in a short period of time. And the advantage we have is we essentially sit at the -- and we're comfortably sitting, I'd say, or confidently sitting at the intersection of secure networks trust because Bell is the most trusted communications brand in the country, distribution relationships and AI infrastructure. And you add to that, that we have access to a significant amount of power and time to compute is a significant advantage.
So all those ingredients together are going to lead to us executing against that vision that I said about leading an enterprise with AI-powered solutions. And it's around, again, the AI infrastructure, which is Bell AI Fabric, AI-powered cybersecurity as a service, which is Bell Cyber, and then systems integration with a specialization in automation and AI, which Ateko. And put them all together, we're going to -- we're offering the full stack AI solutions to customers.
Great. I think the last sort of big piece of the growth outlook stems from your Ziply acquisition last year. You spent CAD 5 billion last August to acquire Ziply Fiber. We have a lot of your competitors at the conference on the U.S. side here. That really expanded your fiber footprint pretty meaningfully. How is the integration progressing? What are your expectations for Ziply's contribution to growth for Bell?
So those were the contribution -- Ziply's contributions to growth were outlined at Investor Day. But really, what I'd say is when you asked the question around integration of Ziply, and it's not an integration story in the classic M&A approach where you acquire a company and then you integrate it operationally and you drive synergies. So that's not what we're doing here. I view the integration question more as the approach is to build a durable high-growth fiber platform that's going to continue to contribute meaningfully to BCE's overall revenue and EBITDA growth.
And again, fiber is the winning broadband technology. We are a fiber-first company, and we've turned ourselves into a fiber-first company in Canada, and it's really about securing growth in the United States through fiber, and it's about deploying capital to the highest value areas. So we want to continue to be in fiber. and we want to continue to allocate our fiber CapEx dollars to high-growth markets, and the U.S. is a significant growth market for BCE through Ziply.
Yes. In many ways, I'm sure you would agree last year, we saw the Canadian telecom market, while still competitive, begin to show some signs of stability, whereas in the U.S., sort of following Canada over the last couple of years, getting more intense, particularly on the cable side. I guess the question is, has the increased promotional intensity from the cable operators who are Ziply's primary competitors impacted at all, how you see that business performing in the near term?
We continue to see it growing at a fairly impressive clip. And the reason is there are 3 keys to that growth. One is having the superior network, which clearly fiber is, and that's what Ziply is a fiber company. Two is customer experience. You got to deliver what customers expect and Ziply is second to none in the U.S., frankly, on customer experience scores, you look at churn and particularly NPS. And then the third key thing is pricing. And Ziply actually has always been priced despite the superior network and superior experiences, priced below cable, and that remains the case. So those 3 ingredients are the winning ingredients, and they still are in Ziply's favor, the network, the experiences and the pricing.
Okay. All right. Why don't we turn to the Canadian market. Obviously, the bulk of the business. It's been intensely competitive, Quebecor being, in particular, a disruptive fourth challenger over the last several years. How would you describe the landscape today? And how do you see that evolving over the course of the year?
So I think the market -- on either the wireline -- both wireline and the wireless side, I think it has -- feels certainly more -- there's more stability there than there has been in the recent past in the last 2, 3 years. So that's a good sign. Black Friday in November of 2025 was particularly encouraging. I think the first half of December last year as well. I think there has been a lot of chatter about pricing in January and February, which I would view, I think, over the medium term -- over the course of a full year, I view January and February as more of a temporary thing. I think -- but that all being said, the most important thing from -- as people assess Bell is we now -- let's go back to the first -- my first answer to your first question. We have a plan. Everyone knows what the plan is. We're executing against the plan. We're not managing the business to January or February. We're managing it over the course of a full year, and we guided to a 3-year performance target.
So that's what we are going to do. And in our case, again, I'm repeating myself, but it's fundamentally important. We've got a management team that's focused on reducing churn, increasing product intensity and going after the highest value customers on the premium Bell brand. So we are not about chasing headline, net add numbers. We are about discipline, returns and putting our efforts towards the highest value areas, and that's what we're going to continue to do. And I shared this stat a lot, Ben. I just -- again, just to put some data behind what my words. Last year, in Q1, Bell was fourth out of 4 players in wireless across almost all metrics. When you look at our performance in wireless over the course of 2025, we led the industry in gross wireless sales. In terms of the big 3, we're essentially tied in net adds, and we performed really well in terms of our churn reduction expectations and a number of other financial and key KPIs. And that's because we set out to manage our business across 12 months, 24 months, 36 months, and we're going to continue to do exactly that.
You mentioned January and February chatter. I mean these are relatively small months when it comes to the year. But is your expectation that, that's -- I don't know, just chatter and noise or that you think it moderates here in March? Or what do you think?
I do think it moderates over the course of the year. Q1 is structurally always a low volume quarter. And we have a lower growth environment generally, particularly because of the changes in immigration policy from 1.5 years ago. And again, back to our plan, we built our plan, which we unveiled in October of last year at Investor Day. We actually built our plan in a low-growth environment for a low-growth environment. So we're well -- kind of we're well positioned to operate in that framework. And as things stabilize and improve, it's all upside.
I was going to actually ask you about the immigration trends next. We have the same issue in the U.S. lately. Is there any line of sight to maybe some improvement in the immigration backdrop in Canada as you look out?
Well, in the very short term, I'd say no. I mean, the policy is what the policy is. However, in -- if you look out in the medium term, I think Canada is a country that thrives on immigration, and we need the growth. So I fully expect that to come back. In the meantime, though, you've got some newcomer growth, obviously, just not as high as it was 3 years ago. We're going to have penetration growth. Canada always lags -- has always lagged the U.S. in penetration. And as the U.S. as penetration improves, so does Canada, albeit just we're -- there's a lag there. So that's going to continue. And idiosyncratically for Bell, we've got our churn reduction agenda, and we've got our product intensity agenda, and we've got our market share ambitions on the premium Bell brand. And so we're going to continue to execute against those 3 things. So net-net, as things stabilize, I think we're going to be able to deliver on our 2026 objectives and our longer-term 2028 objectives.
When do you expect to return to positive wireless service revenue growth? What do you think needs to happen for that inflection to take place?
So I won't call a specific quarter on that. I think the focus ought to be on service revenues, frankly. It's how we're going to continue to grow the platform. So the things that we really need to see are price stabilization, which I think, by and large, I feel more comfortable about that than I did it certainly a year and 2 years ago. We need to see new win, new acquisition pricing improve vis-a-vis the same period of time a year ago. We definitely saw that in November of 2025 compared to November 2024. We saw that in the first half of December last year. It's kind of -- January, February has been up and down in terms of comparing new win pricing to a year ago. So that will be the second key thing that we need to look for.
And the third thing is promotions. Promotions are a fact of a competitive environment. You just don't want promotions to be so constant that they become kind of a baseline feature rather than truly promotions at particular times of the year. So those are the key ingredients, but I won't call a specific quarter. I would say that our objective though is to continue to stabilize service revenue, which we're starting to see. And then once you get to stabilization improvement.
Maybe not as popular as the AI question this week, but we have had a lot of discussion on direct-to-sell, satellite connectivity. What is your view of the opportunity set for Bell or even maybe if that could be a competitive dynamic as you look out ahead at more and more satellite connectivity to wireless?
Yes. We're quite excited about the opportunity we're going to have in the direct-to-sell space. We have a partnership, a privileged partnership with ASTS, and we're tied to them certainly commercially and strategically. Our objective is to have a market trial by -- in the latter half of this year so that we can launch -- have a full market launch very early in 2027. And so the bundles, the plans, the pricing, the promotion, all of that is TBD in terms of how we're going to approach the market. But we believe that our offering through ASTS is going to be superior to what our competitors offer in the direct-to-sell space. And it will improve the customer experience and certainly will, as a result, improve our churn performance and I think will lead to, over time, a market share shift.
How do you think about the market opportunity? Is this something that a lot of your wireless customers will pay for, even if it's maybe as a backup or just peace of mind? What do you think the market opportunity is for direct-to-sell?
I mean we -- I won't go so far in the early days as to size the total market opportunity, but I do believe there's demand for the service. So I definitely see it being included in the highest value wireless plans, again, to generate higher service revenue and to lower churn. And if we make it easy to subscribe to, that's the key thing, right? Just make it easy for customers. I think there's going to be important demand there on a pay-per-use either on a pay-per-use basis or just subscription on demand. So if you're all of a sudden out of coverage, if we send you an alert, you're out of coverage, click here, 1 click, 2 clicks and you can have instant coverage. I think the key determinant to kind of the key driver to the market potential is going to be how easy we make it for customers to subscribe.
Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the enterprise space. What do you see -- when you look at cyber, Bell Cyber, Ateko, what differentiates these businesses in the marketplace and allows you to grow?
So it is -- we are extremely -- we're pretty proud and excited about what we're doing in the enterprise space compared to, frankly, most legacy telcos in this space. Our -- even before these growth vectors, our -- the way we were managing the core business in terms of very modest declines where in most countries, you see the legacy telco have significant enterprise declines. So just there in the core business, turning modest decline to stability and slight growth is a huge accomplishment. And now you add to that these high-growth verticals.
And again, the secret here is combining -- finding growth verticals that are tightly tied to the core expertise. So that's a massive differentiator. Whether or not you're talking about Ateko or Cyber or Bell AI Fabric, they are very closely tied to the core business of communication and connectivity. So that's one important thing. Two is the Bell's strength in Canada in distribution is second to none. And we have a significant advantage compared to anyone else on distribution in the enterprise space and the trusted Bell brand. And you look at Bell AI Fabric, for example, it really is combining, secure high-performing networks, which are our core business with our distribution, the trusted Bell brand and now you add AI infrastructure to that. It's a powerful, very potent and powerful combination. And we're approaching this entire growth -- these growth verticals in a very disciplined way. And by that, I mean it's demand led.
So once we have the demand, so a committed customer, we will build a data center -- AI data center for them. So that is a key thing. High growth, low risk from that perspective. We're not speculating on a data center build and hoping customers will come. And the second thing we do is we are not ourselves investing in GPUs. We partner with those who bring GPUs to the data centers. And in many cases, the GPU owners are actually the key committed tenants for our fabric -- AI fabric facilities, all of which to say is we don't take the technology obsolescence risk. And so high growth, disciplined way, high growth secured in a disciplined way. Lots of potential there.
Got it. Great. Let's make sure we touch on Bell Media. I can't leave that out right now. You guys are talking about driving digital revenue from 45% of revenue last year to 60% by 2028. I don't know how many people here know about Crave. They all know about Heated Rivalry though. So maybe you could talk a little bit about -- and congratulations, by the way, on that show. Talk a little bit about how you have positioned your streaming businesses in the marketplace relative to all the other options that consumers have today?
So we have -- we're also pretty excited and energized by the growth potential of Bell Media. And for those who don't know, we are the largest broadcaster in Canada and have either been a majority owner or an owner or 100% owner of what is now Bell Media since 2000. So I mean, I don't think it's appreciated that the media business is actually a core business of Bell's. And we're not immune to the worldwide forces that have impacted legacy media over decades. But we just haven't sat there and let it continue to decline. We took an approach 5 years ago that we were going to change this business back to growth by leaning exclusively into digital.
So the strategy is premium entertainment, which is Crave streaming; premium sports, which is TSN and news, which is CTV News, all 3 of those, so entertainment, sports, news on digital platforms. That's the play. And so we've been aggressively pivoting the revenue mix towards digital since 2020. It's working really well. So let's go to Crave now as the proof point. We grew the Crave subscription base by over 1 million subscribers in 2025 year-over-year and across we've looked back to any one of our products on the media side, on the telco side, years and years, decades. And it actually was Crave in 2025 was the fastest-growing Bell product that we can remember. Of course, we have far more wireless sales than we do Crave sales, but on a net add basis, it was phenomenal.
And it's on the strength of premium entertainment, including a lot of Canadian content, which is very popular in Canada, as you'd expect. on a digital platform that keeps improving. And it's pretty remarkable to think that probably the hottest show in the last 6 months globally is a Bell Media Crave content, Heated Rivalry. We're really proud of the show, but it's not the only one. We had Shoresy and Letterkenny. We have a lot of French language content on Crave that have sold globally. One of our shows, French language shows that was very popular in Quebec, ended up being #1 in France as well most recently. So it's got some momentum.
Is there a Heated Rivalry future film or a spin-off you want to announce?
That's probably leave that to the experts rather than me. There is a season 2, though.
Yes. Sure. Nice. Okay. I want to make sure we talk a little bit about the regulatory environment, TPIA. So let's start with that. The CRTC's decision on wholesale has been controversial, I don't need to tell you that. The final decision mandated that you will provide wholesale access to your facilities. I know that was upholding a prior decision. How is that impacting your capital allocation plans, if at all?
Oh, it is. So I'd say we react -- I'm going to keep back to a common theme, right? We just kind of go back to -- we anchor ourselves all the time to our plan. And our plan includes on the capital markets side, our capital market strategy, disciplined capital allocation, investment dollars find their own level. So we react to the signals around us. What we are going to continue to do is direct our investment dollars to the highest return opportunities in areas that are tightly connected or singularly connected, frankly, to our plan.
So the -- an important signal was sent with that public policy change. And that is that there is going to be lower returns on future fiber build than there had been on previous fiber build. We're still going to build fiber in Canada, although at a significantly lower pace than we had before. Some of those fiber dollars got reallocated to the U.S. that are higher growth opportunities and still more capital investment got directed to more capital-light areas that are higher growth like AI fabric, some of the digital media areas. So it's kind of the decision highlights the importance of revenue diversification and geographic diversification. So it's kind of back to the same point. We've got geographic diversification in our core business with Ziply, and we've got revenue diversification, particularly with our push in the AI-powered solutions.
You guys, I believe, did announce plans to launch Internet service in British Columbia and Alberta through wholesale. So I'm sure you've thought about the competitive response and gamed it all out. Why is this an attractive opportunity for Bell shareholders?
Yes, we'll be very disciplined. So we do not intend to use TPIA in the West to become a mass market Internet provider. It's actually -- I'm repeating myself, but it's really kind of -- I hope I'm demonstrating the focus. It's the same plan out West, which is multiproduct bundling on the Bell brand. So we're only going to offer Bell branded services out West, and it's not about being a solo Internet provider. It's frankly using TPIA to improve lower churn, improve churn in the West for our high-value wireless base. What we want to do is we want to protect the high-value wireless base that we have, and we want to grow the high value -- our high-value wireless market share out West.
And we're going to do that for those customers who want multiple products. We're going to use TPIA as one lever, and we're going to use our streaming content bundles as a third lever. Taking a step back, what are we trying to do, increase our -- protect our wireless base to increase our high-value wireless market share on the premium Bell brand through churn reduction and product intensity. It's actually the same plan as it is across the board in Canada for Bell, and it's a very disciplined approach. So we don't plan on aggressively pricing solo Internet to gain Internet market share in its own right. That's not the play.
Okay. Let me ask you another one, and then we'll see if anybody in the audience has a question for you. One of the things we've heard about over the course of the last year or so on the AI front is data sovereignty. And I wanted to ask you how you think the Canadian government and the Canadian marketplace thinks about that and whether that is a tailwind to what you're looking at achieving on the AI front at Bell?
Yes, it's a big opportunity for us. The kind of the the data sovereignty mindset that exists in Canada, but in other jurisdictions around the world. And if data sovereignty is important to you and in the public sector, it clearly is and for some critical industries in Canada that -- who's operators within other critical industries in Canada are big customers of ours. So if you're the public sector or an operator in another critical industry and data sovereignty becomes an important thing. Again, it comes back to security of networks, trusted brands. So we're in a good spot there given our high-performing networks and our trusted brand.
So I think it's a potential further accelerant to our AI-powered solutions ambition. The growth projections that we have and that we outlined at Investor Day for AI-powered solutions, the $1.5 billion in revenue, none of that is necessarily dependent on data sovereignty as a critical enabler, but it is a big opportunity that would be a further accelerant to the growth plan.
Okay. That makes sense. Any questions? [indiscernible] just wait quickly for the microphones to the webcast can pick it up.
As you talk about the Ziply opportunity, how should we think about other M&A potential outside of Canada? And how big do you think the fiber opportunity in the U.S. could be?
So our fiber opportunity, we've outlined it on Investor Day. We aim to get over the longer term to 8 million fiber locations passed 3 million of those by the end of 2028, and we're roughly halfway there today. And so those -- that's the ambition. Again, we've declared ourselves. That's the ambition. The base case to get to those thresholds is to build. And so that's the base case. We're going to build our way to 3 million, and we're going to build our way to 8 million over time. If there are opportunities, again, over time that are opportunistic, the right value and that allow us to get to those targets quicker. We'll take a look at those opportunities.
But again, I'll reiterate 2 things. base case is to build. And two, we wouldn't do anything in the short term that deviates us from our leverage targets. We plan on getting to 3.5 -- leverage ratio of 3.5 by the end of 2027. We're going to be below 3.5 by the end of 2028, and we're going to march our way towards 3.0 by 2030. So anything we do, whether or not it's in the U.S. or in any other of our businesses, we're not going to make investments that cause us to deviate from those leverage ratios.
That was going to be my next question, you sort of touched on it, how would, if at all, asset sales play into getting down to that 3x by 2030?
Yes. And again, it's a plan we outlined last year. In this case, in terms of asset sales, we outlined our objectives in February of '25, where we indicated that we plan to monetize up to, I guess, I think it was $7 billion of asset sales, $4.7 billion of which or $4.6 billion of which was MLSE, and then we had the Northwestel acquisition. Since then, we've smaller disposition -- Northwestel disposition. And since then, we've had a smaller disposition of Bell Smart Home. And we're not at the $7 billion in proceeds yet, but the plan remains exactly as it was outlined a year ago. And I think the target was to reach those proceeds of sale by the end of 2027. So we're not deviating from that plan. So all the things we said we were going to do last year, we're going to continue to execute towards.
Great. Well, we're running out of time, Mirko, anything you want to wrap up with before we close it out?
Again, it's -- I'm going to -- repetition. It's very important when you're the CEO, you got to keep saying the same things and just to reinforce the plan. It's execution, execution, execution. I think the significant value is going to be created through AI fabric. Bell Media will deliver annual revenue and EBITDA growth, and it's an asset that generates significant free cash flow. We will hit the leverage targets that we outlined. In fact, executive compensation depends on hitting those targets. So that's just -- I don't -- I share that with all of you just to say that it is a very serious target that we won't deviate from. And we are going to continue to operate in a disciplined manner to deliver the total shareholder return that we indicated we would deliver to everybody through to the end of 2028.
Great. Thank you very much. Thanks, everybody.
Thank you.
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BCE Inc. — Morgan Stanley Technology
BCE Inc. — Morgan Stanley Technology
📣 Kernbotschaft
- Kernaussage: Management legt einen klaren 3‑Jahresplan vor (Umsatz +2–4% YoY, adjusted EBITDA +2–3% bis 2028) und fokussiert auf die «4+1»-Strategie: Kundenzentrierung, bestes Fiber/Wireless, AI‑Enterprise‑Lösungen, digitales Media plus aggressive Kostensenkungen. Priorität: Execution über mehrere Jahre statt Quartalstakt.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Consumer/SMB: Ziel für Wachstums‑Services 4–5% CAGR; Hebel: Churn‑Reduktion, höhere Produktintensität, Premium‑Bell‑Positionierung.
- AI‑Stack: Management nennt 1,5 Mrd. CAD AI‑Umsatz in 3 Jahren; Produkte: Bell AI Fabric, Bell Cyber, Ateko; kundengetriebene, partnerschaftliche GPU‑Strategie (kein Eigen‑GPU‑Risko).
- US‑Fiber (Ziply): Akquise für CAD 5 Mrd.; Ziel: Ausbau zu 3 Mio. Standorten bis Ende 2028 (langfristig 8 Mio.); Basisplan = selbst bauen, Opportunitäten M&A selektiv, unter Einhaltung Verschuldungsziele.
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Markteintritt Satellit: Partnerschaft mit ASTS; Feldversuch H2 dieses Jahres, kommerzieller Rollout früh 2027 geplant — Angebot als Premium‑Add zur Reduktion von Churn.
- Regulatorische Folgen: CRTC‑TPIA führt zur Beschleunigung von CapEx‑Umlenkung: langsameres Faserwachstum in Kanada, mehr Investitionen in US‑Fiber und kapitalleichte Wachstumsbereiche (AI, Digital Media).
- Asset‑Plan: Monetarisierung bis zu ~7 Mrd. (inkl. MLSE) bleibt Ziel, Erlöse bis Ende 2027 anvisiert.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Ziply‑Integration: Analysten fragten nach Wettbewerbsdruck in den USA; Management betont Netzqualität, Kunden‑Experience und Pricing als Treiber, nennt aber keine kurzfristigen Margen‑Zahlen.
- Wireless‑Rebound: Kritisch hinterfragt: Wann positive Service‑Revenue‑Trends? Management vermeidet Quartalsprognose, erwartet Stabilisierung durch Preisdisziplin und weniger Basispromotions.
- Kapitalallokation & Verschuldung: M&A‑Ambitionen werden nur verfolgt, wenn Verschuldungsziele (Leverage ~3,5x Ende 2027 → 3,0x bis 2030) nicht gefährdet werden; Asset‑Verkäufe Teil des Plans.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Präsentation bestätigt ein klares, operational fokussiertes Mehrjahresprogramm: Wachstum durch Fiber/US‑Expansion, AI‑Monetarisierung und Medien‑Digitalisierung bei gleichzeitiger Schuldenreduktion. Relevanz für Aktionäre: higher‑conviction Execution‑Story, aber Erfolg hängt von Pricing‑stabilität, Regulierungseffekten und der AI‑Kommerzialisierung ab.
BCE Inc. — Barclays Communications and Content Symposium 2026
1. Question Answer
Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. I'm Lauren Bonham, and I cover Canadian and U.S. Telco along with Kannan. Next up, we're very pleased to have Curtis Millen, CFO of BCE with us. Look out to some questions at the end, so you should be able to submit them through the chat box on your screen or feel free to e-mail me as well. Thank you for joining us, Curtis.
Lauren, thanks for having us. Appreciate -- a virtual event, so I appreciate the team having to pivot.
Yes, thank you for accommodating and for everyone who's joined as well. It's been hectic a couple of days.
Just to start broadly, going into the new year, what looks different or similar from a competitive or organizational standpoint? And how have your priorities changed compared to last year, if at all?
Yes. Lauren, I'd say the priorities remain the same. We outlined them at our Investor Day, so it's balanced capital allocation, strengthen the balance sheet, delever while we fund strategic growth opportunities that's putting the customer first. So it's continued digital transformation, leveraging AI, basically improving customer experience. Funding our networks. Again, we are an infrastructure company, so funding our best networks through world class on the wireline side and on the wireless side. Continue to drive AI-powered solutions. So that's AI Fabric, it's Bell Cyber, and it's the kind of MSPS layer to services also and then continue to drive digital media.
So the strategy remains the same. Obviously, there's an overlay of just drive efficiencies in the business. So strategy remains the same. This is a year of continue to execute and continue to drive progress on our 3-year financial targets.
And 1Q is typically a quiet period for wireless loading. There's been a bit more promotional activity in January and February than maybe we would have expected. Could you talk a little bit about any changes in the wireless landscape in the past few weeks since earnings? I know it hasn't been very long, but what you're seeing so far in 2026, any change in the strategy on how you respond to that?
No, no change in the strategy. Again, it's a competitive marketplace. And since the history of the wireless industry and our industry prices become more competitive in certain periods of time. And then as you said, Q1 is generally a lower volume, it is a lower volume. So if you had to be a little bit more competitive on price, it's better to be more competitive in a world where you don't have that much volume. I think we saw some pretty good market behavior last year, right? I mean, back-to-school was pretty muted in a way, still competitive, but muted in terms of pricing actions. And then end of the year, got a little bit more competitive in a couple of weeks here in January. But again, we tend to focus on long-term value of customers. So both acquisition and maintaining the longer-term value -- higher-value subs.
So subs that are on our Bell brand, subs that are taking our fiber product, right? Fiber loads continue to be very strong. And then, of course, in a bundled world where we continue to reduce churn, bundled subs are important for us going forward also. So no real change. There are going to be blips in terms of competitive intensity. But as long as we continue to execute our plan and think about driving the best value for customers, we're going to be just fine.
Bell seem to outperform on churn improvement in 4Q. What is driving improved retention? And how much of that is coming from higher hardware upgrades versus other initiatives?
Yes. Hardware upgrades were actually down year-over-year in Q4, and our churn improved 17 bps. And I'd say that's the third quarter in a row of churn improvement. So it's many, many things, but fundamentally, it's providing great network, great service and just improving the customer experience, right, from all the way along the customer experience, we have to be very good. So it's not enough to deliver a high-quality network and a high-quality product. The entire end-to-end experience has to be good. And we spent a lot of time and energy over last 3, 4, 5 years, fixing our IT systems, updating our IT systems, so that how we present ourselves to the customer is much more digital focused.
And even more importantly, we meet customers where they want to interact with us. So whether it's self-serve, whether it's digital, whether it's call center leveraging AI capabilities. However they want to interact with us, we have capabilities kind of on an omnichannel basis now, and that will continue to improve. And I think you're seeing that bear fruit even in a world where hardware upgrades weren't the driving force. So we're quite pleased with that. And again, without customers, the machine here doesn't work. So we're focused on driving customer experience.
Going a bit bigger picture. We've seen some big changes in the industry in the past few years. Structurally, where do you expect the industry growth to settle once all the near-term noise with respect to immigration the economy, travel and so on settles down? Are we now in an environment where our longer-term core telecom growth is more in the low single-digit range for the industry as a whole?
You're probably right. I don't see anything to disapprove that, but I do think you're seeing a few tailwinds ultimately, as you look beyond just the day-to-day, week-to-week. So penetration increase, I mean, we're for, frankly, unknown reasons, we tend to be trailing the U.S. in terms of overall penetration of wireless handsets. So we'll continue to see an uptick in penetration. Immigration and new to category is still a net positive. Not the same, obviously, size of net tailwind that we've had a few years ago, but that will continue to be a net positive. And then ultimately, as we get through our ARPU reprice, there's probably a little bit of ARPU benefit here as we look out 2, 3, 4 years. Again, as we don't focus on day-to-day, week-to-week, it's -- there's growth from all 3 of those.
And then I continue to say I think we have an endemic ability to actually improve our churn, which is a relative benefit for us versus our competitors. I think there's more room for us to continue to drive churn, which, again, will help our nets going forward. And then the other thing I'd say, Lauren, Canada is a little bit more converged than the U.S., but I do think fiber becomes more and more the first purchasing decision. And we have so much fiber north of 8 million fiber locations. And when we sell a new Internet -- fiber Internet, it pulls along 40% or pulls along mobility 40% of the time. So I think we're in a pretty good structural position here to drive some outside growth over again 2-, 3-, 4-year period.
And yes, sort of sticking with that, I guess, switching to broadband. In Canada, you sold your fiber build and now seeing a lot more competition from [indiscernible] fixed wireless. But your fiber footprint is still the largest in Canada. How much more room is there for you to drive penetration within the fiber footprint? And what are the key drivers of that fiber take rate?
Yes. I'd say there are a few drivers of growth. So one, we are continuing to build fiber in Canada. So it's a couple of hundred thousand a year, whether that's new builds, new construction starts. Obviously, we're going to build fiber fits in our footprint. There's some subsidy builds, there's some edge out. So we'll continue to build fiber in Canada. And then I'd say on the penetration point that you made directly, we built 3 million fiber locations over the last 5 years, those are not -- definitely not at a run rate penetration. Like where we have more tenured fiber footprint, we're 50%, even north of 50%. So there's still some kind of inherent growth left in that newer footprint. And again, as we continue to prove out fiber is just superior product to cable, it will just continue to grow. I mean there's no reason in my mind where 50% is the actual equilibrium. It's not just Canada, I'm not just drinking the blue Kool-Aid Fiber beats cable in just about every jurisdiction. So I think there are a few tailwinds for us there.
Fixed wireless scaled pretty quickly in the U.S., it's been much smaller in Canada, there's some differences in network capacity, but your copper footprint in areas where you don't have fiber. You see some churn due to fixed wireless coming in there. Can you talk about how Bell uses fixed wireless? And is there room for a bigger push in those areas to capture copper churn?
Yes, I'd say it's a different landscape. So we actually built out 1.1 million fixed wireless homes before the U.S. really made their push into fixed wireless. But because we've built out over 8 million fiber locations, it's more of a niche product because it's not really competitive relative to fiber. And I think what you've seen in the U.S., the future fiber builders have built out fixed wireless kind of to gain a little bit of market share and gain some customers then overbuild with fiber. But ultimately, they're taking share from cable. They weren't taking share if they happened to be a fiber overbuilder. So it has a place for us, but it's certainly not competitive with fiber. So I'd say, again, in rural, where we have it, useful. It's useful where you have copper only, but it's really not going to hunt in markets where you have fiber.
And we're slowly, hopefully emerging from a tough couple of years of wireless pricing. On TPIA, we're still waiting for final wholesale rates. But assuming they remain as is, what prevents a similar sort of bout of pricing competition in wireline, given higher competition nationwide and a bigger focus on convergence and bundling?
Yes. It's a fair question. It's a bit of a different story though. I mean, ultimately, we've built out fiber. And historically, the government has supported facilities-based operators. So they want -- and look, they're in a tough spot. They want to promote competition, promote access to solid Internet. We've built out fiber. So there is a lot of access to world-class broadband. And they want to make sure that there's an incentive to continue to build. So I appreciate they're in a tough spot. But ultimately, we have the owner economics, and we have the ability to bundle with other services. So you start looking at a world where we have fiber. We'll sell wireless. We'll sell Crave, TSN RDS direct-to-consumer. And so I do think there's a world for us to continue to drive growth and leverage our footprint.
Yes. And sort of sticking on that theme, with the new administration, have you seen anything that would indicate sort of a change in course on Canada's approach to wholesale regulations, maybe moving back to how it was prior to the past couple of years. And if there was something -- if that was something that was possible, what would it take for Bell to sort of reaccelerate its domestic build plan back to its prior like $9 million target? And how could that fit into the capital allocation framework given leverage targets and U.S. build?
Yes. I think the last thing you said is very important. Obviously, we have a capital intensity envelope and we have a leverage target. So those are very important to us. We're not going to deviate from those. So for us, it's ultimately capital allocation. And on the highest level, we're deleveraging, strengthening the balance sheet, paying out a dividend and funding growth is our kind of second priority. And between that, it's just a matter of what drives the best return, what drives the best free cash flow growth because ultimately, free cash flow growth is what allows us to continue to delever and fund dividends. So it really comes down to what is the best opportunity. And whether that's fiber in Canada, fiber in the U.S., continued digital transformation or AI fabric. All of those are very attractive returns. It's a nice problem to have to have more opportunity than you can actually fund. So if that's our biggest problem, it's pretty good news for us.
Makes sense. So shifting to Ziply then. Why does investing in the U.S. makes sense? The U.S. is still in the early stages of convergence compared to Canada? And arguably, convergence hasn't necessarily been helpful in Canada for the industry as a whole?
Yes. It's a different marketplace. We have a certain level of expertise building out fiber and marketing fiber. And again, I'm not being cavalier about our expertise. Fiber actually is just a superior product. So you've seen in the U.S. market, whether it's Ziply has a great management team, but you also have a lot of start-ups recently over -- well, not as much recently about 5, 6, 7 years ago, who build fiber, and we're taking 30%, 35%, 40% share from the cable competitor. So it is a first-to-fiber business model, and you're bringing competition to a market that basically has copper and/or cable and whether it's Tier 1, Tier 2 or Tier 3 cable, you're now bringing a superior product to market and you're picking up market share. So again, fiber really is the star in that world. And Harold and team at Ziply have done a great job of driving penetration where they build fiber. And we're now in a world where we can expand kind of their build plans, and they've seen -- they haven't shown any change in ability to continue to drive penetration and capture market share where they do have fiber. So it's very interesting for us. And then if you get into mobility convergence, that's upside for us, ultimately. We don't -- we haven't seen an ability -- a need to do that just yet in terms of there's been no slowdown in their ability to drive subs and penetration. If it does become more important in the market, then obviously, we have the ability, but that wasn't part of our investment case. So it's all upside for us.
And sort of on the Ziply build-out plan, the current expectations include a pretty significant ramp in the pace of fiber build in the back half of the year and then even more so in '27 and '28. Part of that, you've talked about the deliberate pullback after the deal closed. What kind of obstacles are you facing in the U.S. footprint that are impacting the pace of build? And what makes you confident that you can ramp quick enough to hit that $3 million target?
They have a strong build engine. And ultimately, it's just permitting, right? I mean it's time to get permits so that you can get shovels in the ground. But -- as we look at it, we took a half beat of a pause to make sure under different constraints, different parameters, management was able to identify the best places to go, not just limited to their copper footprint and not just limited to kind of ABS funding and what that could grow. So -- much more flexible constraints and parameters. So the goal is it, hey, let's build where we have copper. It's let's build in the locations where we're going to drive the most value to shareholders. So that took us half a beat, and now we get to run faster. So I think all in all, it's a good news story. And as you said, we just keep ramping up that build engine by the second half of this year and going forward. So we march along to get our 3 million homes by 2028.
And sort of a little follow-up on that. On the Ziply build, what sort of KPIs determine where you're looking to build? I know you just talked about a little bit, but is it, I guess, how -- what would be the most material or how even rank them competition, deployment costs, ARPU potential?
All of the above, right? We tend to look at it as what's the best place to drive IRR, right? I mean we're looking for returns. So whether that's ARPU, whether that's cable competitor, whether that's proximity. I mean, generally, everything is close to Ziply's core fiber network because they have a lot of core fiber network. So cost to build, efficiency of marketing, all of those things go into the equation, all the assumptions that you would think of going into the equation, and it's really just what is the most efficient place to build and continue to scale the business.
Maybe switching gears a bit to the balance sheet. The path to reach 3.5 leverage by next year includes non-core asset sales. Can you talk more about any asset sales that are in the pipeline, maybe given a sense of what we can expect in 2026? And could this include tower monetization?
Yes. Look, our deleveraging plan includes a bit of everything. So we are continuing to drive a lot of free cash flow. We're driving EBITDA growth. And we've talked about in the past, continued asset sales. We've sold off some assets. Obviously, MLSE, our legacy home monitoring business. We have a couple of files on the go. Again, nothing core to our business.
Tower sales is obviously a file that has kicked around for the last decade in even longer than that in Telco world. There's clearly a lot of value in our infrastructure. So it's something we'll consider, but ultimately, everything is viewed within the same lens. Does it accelerate our ability to drive free cash flow growth and value for our shareholders? And if it does, then we'll have to consider it.
I guess in the same vein, what triggers would prompt you to revisit the dividend level? Again, is it primarily just tracking to the leverage goals?
Yes. It's -- again, we do revisit the policy and the Board obviously makes that decision. But I'd say over the 3-year horizon here, where we're getting to 3.5 and then sub 3.5 leverage, and we're funding our growth initiatives. There's no expectation that our dividend would increase. Again, if we just blow the doors off of our free cash flow, and we have to revisit it, then that's a good news story. But in our base case, we are focused on deleveraging and funding the significant growth opportunities over the next 2, 3 years.
And on those growth opportunities, AI-powered solutions, major focus growth drive in the next couple of years. Can you talk about sort of the different business models between the different segments, cyber, Ateko and AI Fabric? And anything to flag in the pipeline for AI Fabric that you can talk about?
They all work together. So Bell Cyber is a security business, it's a recurring business model, but it ties in well with Ateko. Ateko is managed service, professional service. It's workflow management. It's cloud migration. It's helping companies actually leverage their spend and drive results. So whether that's companies like ours, I mean they're doing work for us as well because we're all going to spend money on platforms, whether it's Salesforce, ServiceNow, we're all migrating to the cloud or somewhere on the journey. We're all looking to maximize value out of AI spend. So the economy in all these companies are spending money. Ateko helps them actually drive value for the spend. So it's one thing to spend money and move to the platforms, but you actually have to capture the value and capture the efficiencies. So Ateko is helping us do that and helping kind of its customers in -- across North America do that.
So very complementary, especially when you look at our fiber footprint. So when you look at AI fabric, it's AI fabric. And if you're running inference or you're running data models, testing models, obviously, it needs to be secured. That's where Bell Cyber comes in. It needs to run on the best network. That's where fiber comes into play. And again, you need to figure out how to actually capture value out of the test you're running and the kind of technology spend, that's where Ateko comes into play. So separate lines of business, separate business models, but they all really work well together.
And then in terms of AI Fabric, the question you asked, there's a lot of demand, but it is lumpy as we've said. So when we're actually signing contracts because again, we're not putting money into the ground before we sign contracts. So we're able to actually generate strong north of 20% returns, but the risk profile is actually underweighted because we wait until we have contracts before we start putting shovels into the ground. So -- it will be lumpy, but the demand is strong and ultimately, we'll keep everyone abreast here when we sign contracts.
And just one more for me, and then we'll go to some questions coming in. So if you haven't already, feel free to submit questions in the chat box or you can e-mail me directly. So before we move on to that, last one, just on guidance. Thinking about the high and the low end guidance ranges, how much of that swing is based on more macro factors like economic slowdown versus core industry drivers like improvement in promotional activity and wireless pricing?
Ultimately, it's all of the above. I mean some of these are macro items, some of them are within our control. So if we can outperform our continued churn improvement, that's upside for us. I mean if ARPU and competitive marketplace in your words, winds up being a little bit more helpful on the ARPU side and turns around a little faster, then that's good news relative to the plan. But we -- our base plan really hasn't assumed a spike up in the macro environment. I think we're living in this backdrop and competing in this backdrop. So if it improves, if immigration improves, if ARPU improves, those are all upsides for us. But again, for us, it's continue to do the blocking and tackling of delivering for customers, lowering churn, selling our fiber footprint, continuing to sell our digital platform like Crave 1 million-plus subs last year, continue to drive Crave subs. So for us, we're just blocking and tackling with the strong assets we have.
Thanks, Curtis. So a couple of minutes left. We're going to get some questions. How is managing -- this is simply. How is managing things like inflationary cost pressure, supply chain constraints and build costs different in the U.S. compared to Canada?
Yes. In terms of supply chain constraints, there really aren't any supply chain constraints at this point. So I'd say it's the same. I mean we have access to materials. In a world, it's kind of a unique world where the Canadian asset actually brings scale to the U.S. assets. So in terms of procurement and economies of scale, we actually bring that benefit to Ziply. So they haven't seen any issue actually procuring or sourcing information -- sourcing equipment and goods, and it's probably improved a little bit as they as they leverage kind of either their contracts or our contracts. And then ultimately, they're just executing, right? So the real time line is the many different jurisdictions where they're looking to build and fiber build is a community by community, municipality by municipality kind of effort. So it's really just getting permits to build out. So it's not an equipment shortage. It's just the time line of identifying where you want to build and getting it done.
And one on the cost-cutting initiative. You had your $1.5 billion of cost efficiencies. How do you think about the most material efficiency initiatives? Is it AI and customer care, network automation, something else?
It's really all of the above. So those are two very good examples, it's really all of the above. If I had an umbrella comment, it's leveraging technology to eliminate manual work and eliminate friction in the system. So whether it's friction with customers where they have to call back 3x, right, I mean, just get it right the first time. Give them the right offer the first time. And if you say you're going to call them back, call them back right away. So it's eliminating friction along kind of the relationship and the experience. And that's internal as well, right? So if you're going from one group to the other or an external customer internally, reduce the number of steps and automate where you can. It just simplifies in the fewer steps in a process, the less likely you are to make mistakes. And the more you can automate, again, the less likely you are to make mistakes. And have kind of spend money that you don't need to. So it's not just cost savings, it's cost efficiency. It's kind of a unique spot where you can provide better service to customers and actually have it cost you less money. So it's a nice win-win for us. I mean when -- the investments we've made over the last few years are already capturing results.
And one on Enterprise. I think you've already touched on this a bit, but I think Enterprise is one of the areas that's expecting a growth turnaround with some of these AI solutions. So question is how concentrated is the enterprise revenue base? And how much could customer renewals or timing on renewals swing results?
Enterprise revenues and contract renewals tend to be a little bit lumpy, but it's such a big business for us that it smooths out naturally. So on a contract by contract, yes, it's lumpy. But overall, the business other than AI Fabric is not as lumpy. And ultimately, we've done a pretty good job managing the legacy side of the business and we're growing the growth side of the business. So it's a pretty good combination of both when you look at our Enterprise business relative to our competitors. And starting in Q1, we'll start breaking out a bit more information so that analysts and investors can track Enterprise revenue separate and apart from consumer, realize the wireline data number is a big number. But ultimately, it's continued focus on the growth areas and continued focus on managing the legacy and ultimately pretty good performance on a relative basis, I'd say even stronger relative.
And we have one more in the queue. If anyone else has a question, feel free to submit. This is on hardware upgrades. How do you think about managing the device financing economics and handset margins? And how has that approach changed?
I can say, ultimately, it is one of the levers we have to manage churn, but overall, manage the customer experience. So we're not in a subsidy world. That business model went away in Canada a handful of years ago, start of COVID. So it's -- there's a little bit of a working cap carry, but it's not -- it's not what it was 5, 6 years ago. So ultimately, for us, and we leverage AI here, too. But ultimately, for us, this is just managing the customers' journey over the long term, right? Happy customers equals higher long-term value, less churn. So it's one of the levers we have. It is what customers are looking for in certain instances. So again, if it drives long-term value and it keeps customers happy, then is something that we'll put on the table. And again, it drives long-term value for us as well.
Thanks, Curtis. No more questions, and I think we're right about time. So thank you so much for joining us, Curtis. Really appreciate having you here.
Appreciate this stuff, and good luck today.
Thanks.
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BCE Inc. — Barclays Communications and Content Symposium 2026
BCE Inc. — Barclays Communications and Content Symposium 2026
📣 Kernbotschaft
- Kontinuität: Management bestätigt unveränderte Prioritäten seit Investor Day: ausgewogene Kapitalallokation, Schuldenabbau (Ziel: ~3,5x Leverage), gleichzeitig Finanzierung strategischer Wachstumsfelder wie Glasfaser, AI-Lösungen und US‑Geschäft (Ziply). Fokus auf Kundenerlebnis und Effizienzsteigerung durch Digitalisierung und KI.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Fibre‑Position: Bell verfügt über >8 Mio. Glasfaser‑Standorte; 3 Mio. in den letzten 5 Jahren gebaut; in älteren Gebieten Penetration oft ≥50% — weiteres organisches Upside vorhanden.
- US‑Expansionsplan: Ziply strebt Ausbau auf 3 Mio. Haushalte bis 2028; Tempo wird H2 2026 und in 2027/28 deutlich erhöht; Haupthemmnis: Genehmigungs‑/Permitting‑Tempo.
- AI & Enterprise: AI Fabric, Bell Cyber, Ateko als komplementäre Geschäftsmodelle; AI Fabric-Verträge sollen >20% Renditen liefern, Rollout vertragsscharf und damit lumpy.
🆕 Neue Informationen
- Operative Anpassungen: Keine neue Guidance-Zahl; Management konkretisiert, dass Ziply‑Builds nach einer gezielten Pause wieder beschleunigt werden und AI‑Projekte erst nach Vertragsabschlüssen begonnen werden — damit planbare, aber unregelmässige Umsatz‑/Capex‑Profile.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Churn & Retention: Verbesserte Kundenbindung (−17bps in Q4) getrieben von Netzqualität, digitaler Experience und Omnichannel‑Service, nicht von Hardware‑Upgrades.
- Wettbewerb & Preise: Kürzere Promotionsphasen im Wireless; keine Änderung der Wettbewerbsreaktion — Fokus auf langfristigen Customer‑LTV. Wireline‑Risiko durch Wholesale‑Regulierung (TPIA) bleibt ein Beobachtungspunkt.
- Bilanz & Kapital: Deleveraging‑Plan beinhaltet Free‑Cash‑Flow, mögliche nicht‑core Asset‑Verkäufe (inkl. Türöffner für Tower‑Transaktionen); Dividendenerhöhung nicht erwartet, Board bewertet bei Outperformance neu.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Relevanz: Call bestätigt strategische Kontinuität: defensive Bilanzpriorität plus gezielte, renditeträchtige Wachstumsinvestitionen (Fibre, Ziply, AI). Potenzial für überdurchschnittliche Wertschöpfung besteht, ist aber teils vertrags‑ und genehmigungsgetrieben; kurzfristig bleiben regulatorische Risiken und Wettbewerbs‑„Blips“ die größten Schlaglichter für Anleger.
BCE Inc. — Q4 2025 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the BCE Q4 2025 Results and 2026 Guidance Call.
I would now like to turn the meeting over to Kris Somers. Please go ahead, Mr. Somers.
Thank you, Matthew. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. My name is Kris Somers, Head of Investor Relations. And with me here today are Mirko Bibic, BCE's President and CEO; and Curtis Millen, our CFO.
You can find all our Q4 disclosure documents, including our safe harbor notice concerning forward-looking statements on the Investor Relations page of the bce.ca website.
Before we begin, I'd like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement on Slide 2 of the presentation, reminding you that today, remarks made during the call will include forward-looking information, and therefore, are subject to risks and uncertainties. Results could differ materially. We disclaim any obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Please refer to our publicly filed documents for more details on assumptions and risks.
With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Mirko.
Thanks, Kris, and good morning, everyone. I'm looking forward to walking through our results and outlook with you in a short moment. First, I want to take a moment to frame where we are. In 2025, we had a pivotal year for BCE. It was a year of deliberate change, where we strengthened the balance sheet, we sharpened our capital allocation discipline and clearly defined our long-term strategy at Investor Day in October of 2025.
And over the course of 2025, we aligned the organization around 4 strategic priorities that leverage our unique and differentiated assets across fiber, wireless, enterprise and media to deliver the very best for our customers, and we set clear measurable targets for the next phase of growth. So that groundwork is now in place. The strategy is clear. The priorities are set, the company is aligned, and we've begun to execute against that plan. You could see that execution translate into momentum throughout 2025, including the fourth quarter, as we focused on improving customer experience, strengthening fiber and wireless network leadership in Canada, establishing a fiber growth platform in the U.S., accelerating momentum in enterprise and digital media and positioning the business for sustainable free cash flow growth.
And I'd like to start on Slide 3 of our deck with an overview of how we executed last year against those 4 strategic priorities. So putting the customer first, that remains foundational, and the results are tangible. Postpaid churn improved for the third consecutive quarter with a 17 basis point year-over-year improvement in Q4. Importantly, the magnitude of improvement accelerated throughout the year, demonstrating sustained momentum as our customer-first initiatives take hold.
We made important progress in 2025 with the launch of differentiated wireless plan tiers that move beyond traditional data buckets. These plans give customers clearer choices based on the experience they value most, including network performance, video quality, roaming features, device financing and bundled content. We expanded our lead in distribution with no name mobile now available in all Maxi stores across Quebec, extending access to affordable contract-free wireless options powered by Bell's network. This reflects our customer-first focus on accessibility and choice across segments while maintaining disciplined brand positioning.
We also advanced the customer experience in 2025 with the rollout of our AI-powered voice virtual assistant across Bell, Virgin Plus and Lucky Mobile. This simplifies interactions at scale and improves service quality. Our customer-first focus is reflected in the latest CCTS report, which showed that Bell continues to have the lowest proportion of complaints among the 3 largest national carriers. While there's a lot more work to do, the progress made last year reinforces our focus on continued churn improvement and further gains in customer experience metrics such as NPS.
In wireless, we continue to build momentum through 2025 with a clear improvement in our underlying ARPU trajectory and strong net new postpaid mobile phone additions on our main Bell brand, and that supports ARPU improvement going forward. We continue to take a disciplined approach to subscriber acquisition with a focus on quality and lifetime value rather than chasing volume. And you can see this in wireless service revenue, where the year-over-year rate of decline improved to just 0.2% in Q4 with consumer wireless service revenue stable in the quarter.
Fiber continued to be a key growth driver last year with approximately 200,000 net new subscriber additions, including our U.S. operations. This contributed to Internet revenue growth of 8%. Where we have fiber, we continue to win through superior network performance, higher customer satisfaction and stronger multiproduct penetration. The acquisition of Ziply Fiber marked a key milestone in our fiber growth strategy, giving us a strong platform for long-term growth in the rapidly expanding U.S. market.
In 2025, Ziply's financial results reported in our Bell CTS U.S. segment were comfortably in line with the expectations we outlined at Investor Day. Since closing the acquisition, we've worked closely with the Ziply management team to refine and accelerate their fiber expansion plan. And with the Network FiberCo partnership now in place, the build has been re-prioritized toward higher-growth markets with construction set to ramp meaningfully in the second half of 2026 and beyond. So this positions 2026 as an important build year for Ziply, putting us on the path toward our target of approximately 3 million fiber passings by the end of 2028 with a longer-term opportunity to reach up to 8 million locations in a capital-efficient manner.
We also made continued progress on product intensity, driven by increased adoption of content subscriptions. With Crave adding more than 1 million subscribers in 2025, we're seeing clear momentum in the number of services per household. Our focus remains on growing the number of services per household through mobility, Internet and content. We also launched hardware-free Fibe TV, delivering a full-service experience without the need for a set-top box and allowing customers to use devices they already own. This simplifies installation and ongoing service, reduces complexity and supports higher product intensity while remaining highly scalable and capital efficient.
Bell Pure Fibre and 5G wireless were once again recognized by Ookla as Canada's fastest networks with Bell Pure Fibre also recognized as the fastest Internet service in North America. This independent third-party validation reinforces the strength of our network leadership and customer value proposition.
Now turning to Slide 4, and our next strategic priority, which is lead in enterprise with AI-powered solutions. In 2025, Bell Business Markets delivered relatively stable revenue and EBITDA performance, which really stands out in an environment where many enterprise telecom businesses continue to face pressure. This reflects the actions we've taken over the past 18 months or so to reshape our enterprise strategy.
The 3 AI-powered solutions businesses we launched in 2025, Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric, were key contributors, collectively growing approximately 60% year-over-year to around $700 million in revenue. Each of these is scaling as planned, and each supports our goal of reaching $1.5 billion in AI-powered solutions revenue by 2028. Importantly, this represents largely net new revenue and EBITDA for Bell, which complements rather than replaces our core connectivity and communication services.
We continue to strengthen these platforms, including Ateko's recent acquisition of SDK Tek Services, which took place in December of 2025. SDK Tek adds deep data engineering and analytics expertise, helping enterprises and governments organize and use their data effectively, and that's critical to deploy AI at scale. The acquisition improves our full stack AI solution set.
Now turning to media. Our digital strategy continued to deliver in 2025 with digital revenues up 6% year-over-year and now representing 44% of total media revenue. And this performance was powered by Crave, which, as I noted earlier, had an outstanding year, ending with 4.6 million subscribers alongside continued growth in connected TV, Crave with ads and FAST channels. Our focus for Bell Media is to deliver consistent annual revenue and EBITDA growth, and we achieved that in 2025 as the business continues to shift toward higher-value digital and subscription revenue streams.
We also made a significant transformation to the Crave platform, expanding the content library by more than 10,000 hours and integrating live programming from CTV and Noovo, news, select major sports and premium entertainment events and an expanded kids' collection. All of this supported by meaningful user experience enhancements.
Our focus on original content was another key driver in 2025. Early in the year, Empathie became a major French language success in Canada and gained strong traction in France. More recently, Heated Rivalry has emerged as a global sensation, generating significant media attention and cultural impact and underscoring the strength of our investment in premium Canadian storytelling. From a strategic standpoint, our focus is on delivering premium content to customers through digital platforms and extending its value by monetizing that content more effectively across the full value chain.
And looking ahead, Bell Media is off to a strong start in 2026. NFL viewership through the playoffs has been very encouraging, and we're excited about the FIFA World Cup this summer, which presents a significant audience and monetization opportunity. So taken together, Bell Media is contributing meaningfully to growth, churn reduction and customer lifetime value across the Bell ecosystem. Overall, therefore, across all 4 priorities, 2025 was about building momentum.
So now, I'll turn to Slide 5. I want to touch briefly on capital allocation because this, too, has been a consistent focus for us over the past year. If you go back to our February 2025 call, pretty much exactly a year ago, we were very clear about what we intended to do and that simplify the business, strengthen the balance sheet, focus capital on higher return opportunities and return capital to shareholders through a sustainable dividend. And we reinforced that roadmap at Investor Day in October of 2025, providing greater transparency around our capital allocation priorities, leverage targets and investment framework. The roadmap has not changed.
Turning to Slide 6. This highlights the early progress we're making against the 3-year targets we laid out at Investor Day. These are some of the metrics we'll use to measure progress. They include churn, Bell-branded loadings, product intensity, Internet market share, U.S. fiber expansion, AI-powered solutions growth and Crave subscriber and digital mix at Bell Media. This scorecard is how we intend to manage the company and how we expect to be measured. We're still early in the execution phase, and we're encouraged by the momentum we're seeing. Taken together, these indicators show that the strategy is translating into disciplined execution. 2025 set the foundation, and in 2026, the dedicated Bell team will continue to execute our way to the 2028 targets with a clear focus on delivering sustainable returns for our shareholders.
And with that, I'll turn the call over to Curtis, and Curtis will walk you through our Q4 operating results and the 2026 financial guidance. Thanks for your attention, everyone.
Thank you, Mirko, and good morning, everyone. Our strong fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results demonstrate the stability of our business and our ability to deliver on the strategic and financial commitments we outlined over the past year, including at Investor Day. On a consolidated basis, we achieved all of our 2025 financial guidance targets, reflecting disciplined execution across the organization. 2025, service revenue increased 0.6% for the year, supported by contributions from Ziply Fiber and continued resilience in our core businesses.
Adjusted EBITDA increased 0.7%, driving a 20 basis point improvement in adjusted EBITDA margin to 43.6%, the strongest annual margin result we've delivered in more than 30 years. Adjusted EPS declined 7.9% in '25, consistent with our guidance and primarily reflecting higher depreciation and amortization from ongoing network investment, along with increased interest expense.
Capital expenditures declined by $197 million to $3.7 billion, resulting in a capital intensity of 15.1%, in line with guidance and consistent with our longer-term objective to reduce capital intensity. We delivered a 10% increase in free cash flow to $3.2 billion toward the upper end of our guidance range, driven by higher EBITDA, lower CapEx and improved working capital. Free cash flow after payment of lease liabilities increased 17.5%, an important metric in the 3-year financial outlook we shared at Investor Day, where we continue to target approximately 15% CAGR. We're entering 2026 with solid momentum in cash generation.
At the segment level, there's clear momentum at Bell Business Markets, reflected in relatively stable revenue and EBITDA in '25, while Bell Media delivered positive revenue and EBITDA growth for the full year, consistent with the execution themes Mirko outlined earlier.
Turning to Q4 on Slide 9. I'll begin with a summary of Bell CTS Canada subscriber metrics. Postpaid wireless net adds of 56,124 were essentially stable year-over-year despite a less active market. Consistent with our well-articulated strategy to balance loadings with improved financials and customer experience, we focused on higher-quality margin-accretive subs again this quarter.
As a result of this continued disciplined approach, we added a significant number of customers on the premium Bell brand. Postpaid churn improved 17 basis points to 1.49%, marking our third consecutive quarter of year-over-year improvement. This is a direct outcome of our focus on putting the customer first. Mobile phone ARPU declined just 0.8%, significant improvement from the 2.7% decline in Q4 of last year. We also saw a recovery in consumer roaming revenue, which has continued into the early part of Q1 and is encouraging for future ARPU performance.
In Wireline, we delivered 43,000 fiber-to-the-home Internet net adds in the quarter, a strong result given the slowdown in our Canadian fiber build and disciplined pricing, reflective of the value we deliver to customers.
Let me turn now to Q4 financials for Bell CTS Canada. Internet revenue increased approximately 2%, reflecting the same approach as in wireless, a healthy balance between sub growth and disciplined pricing supported by fiber. In our Enterprise business, AI-powered solutions revenue grew 31%, driven by continued momentum at Ateko and Bell Cyber. We remain focused on scaling these growth vectors as part of our plan to reach $1.5 billion in AI-powered solutions revenue by 2028.
Wireless service revenue declined 0.2%, an improvement from the 0.4% decline in Q3 and meaningfully better than the 1.5% decline in Q4 of last year. Importantly, consumer wireless service revenue was stable year-over-year in the quarter, an encouraging sign as we enter 2026.
On the product side, revenue declined $170 million year-over-year, driven by a pronounced market shift towards BYOD activity in December, which resulted in a 20% reduction in contracted device sales as well as the timing of certain wireline equipment deals with large enterprise customers. Importantly, the EBITDA impact was limited, as these product revenues are very low margin. Overall, EBITDA performance was in line with plan, and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 130 basis points year-over-year to 44.2%, reflecting strong cost discipline, including a 6.1% reduction in operating costs and margin-accretive subscriber growth.
Turning to Bell CTS U.S., which reflects the results of Ziply Fiber's operations. As Mirko mentioned earlier, Ziply's financial performance for 2025 was consistent with the expectations we shared at Investor Day, reflecting solid execution, as we position the business for its next phase of growth. In the fourth quarter, total revenue was $232 million, driven by continued strength of Ziply's fiber platform. Internet revenue grew in the double digits, supported by ongoing expansion of the fiber footprint and strong customer penetration across new and existing markets. Bell CTS U.S. delivered $100 million of EBITDA in Q4, representing a 43.1% margin, demonstrating strong operating leverage in the business.
With significant runway ahead, we expect robust revenue and EBITDA growth from Bell CTS U.S., as the management team advances Ziply Fiber's 2028 financial ambition presented at Investor Day. On the subscriber front, Ziply added more than 6,000 net new fiber customers in Q4, supported by footprint expansion and strong penetration in newly built areas. Ziply Fiber build plan has now been reprioritized toward higher-growth markets and is set to accelerate in 2026, putting the business on track to reach approximately 3 million fiber passes by the end of 2028.
Turning to Bell Media on Slide 11. As projected, total revenue declined 3.4% in Q4. Despite strong digital video advertising growth, total advertising revenue was down 11.1%, reflecting continued softness in traditional advertising, demand for non-sports programming as well as the impact of the divestiture of 45 radio stations, which was completed in the first half of 2025. Subscriber revenue increased 1.5%, driven by continued strength in D2C Crave and sports streaming.
Crave's direct streaming subscribers grew 65% year-over-year, supported by market-leading content, including Heated Rivalry, which continues to generate strong domestic and international engagement and underpin subscriber growth. Operating costs declined 1.5%, driven by lower content costs and ongoing operating efficiencies. Importantly, Bell Media delivered positive revenue and EBITDA growth for the full year, consistent with our objective for this business to be a stable and growing contributor to BCE's financial performance. Our focus remains unchanged for Bell Media to consistently deliver annual revenue and EBITDA growth, while contributing meaningful free cash flow to BCE, as the business continues to shift toward higher-value digital and subscription revenue streams.
I'll now turn to our 2026 outlook, beginning with revenue and adjusted EBITDA on Slide 13. Our 2026 guidance is fully aligned with the 3-year financial outlook we shared at Investor Day and reflects continued momentum in our core growth engines, fiber, wireless, AI-powered enterprise solutions and digital media, while we continue to diligently manage the clients in higher-margin legacy services. For 2026, we expect consolidated revenue growth of 1% to 5% and adjusted EBITDA growth of 0% to 4%, representing a step-up from 2025 with these range is consistent with prior years. And I'd note, we remain highly focused on operating efficiencies and continue to expect to deliver $1.5 billion in cost savings by 2028.
Over to Slide 14 for a summary of our adjusted EPS outlook. We project adjusted EPS to be in the range of $2.5 to $2.65 per share in 2026 or 5% to 11% lower versus last year. This decline can be largely attributed to an approximate $250 million step-up in depreciation and amortization expense, reflecting continued investment in our broadband networks as well as the impact of the Ziply Fiber acquisition and an estimated $100 million increase in interest expense, driven by a higher level of debt outstanding related to Ziply Fiber acquisition. In addition, we expect tax adjustments to be around $0.02 per share lower than in 2025, as we are not forecasting any tax adjustments in 2026.
Turning to Slide 15. We expect another strong year of free cash flow generation in '26. Free cash flow is projected to grow between 4% and 10%, reflecting strong flow-through from higher EBITDA and lower year-over-year severance payments, partially offset by higher interest paid. Consistent with the outlook we shared at Investor Day, capital expenditures in 2026 are expected to remain relatively stable at approximately $3.7 billion, resulting in a lower capital intensity of 15% or less. Within that stable total CapEx envelope, we'll continue to fund our growth initiatives, supported by efficiencies from prior investments that are reducing ongoing run-the-business capital requirements and creating additional flexibility to allocate capital towards strategic investments and growth opportunities.
Our free cash flow outlook also reflects stable to slightly lower cash taxes, largely unchanged working cap position and essentially flat cash pension funding as we continue to benefit from a full contribution holiday, supported by the strong solvency position of our defined benefit pension plans. With this level of robust and predictable free cash flow generation, we expect BCE's dividend payout ratio to remain comfortably within our target policy range of 40% to 55%. Finally, we remain focused on driving strong free cash flow growth after payment of lease liabilities, supported by lower year-over-year capital lease repayments in '26 and consistent with the approximately 15% CAGR target we outlined at Investor Day through 2028.
Turning to Slide 16. As we begin the year, we have $2.5 billion of available liquidity and a pension solvency surplus of $4.4 billion, providing meaningful financial flexibility as we execute our 2026 business plan. Our long-term debt maturity profile remains very manageable. In fact, $750 million of '26 MTN maturities were prefinanced and early redeemed in 2025, further reducing near-term refinancing risk.
At the end of 2025, our net debt leverage ratio was approximately 3.8x adjusted EBITDA, unchanged from prior year despite the closing of the Ziply Fiber acquisition. On a pro forma basis, adjusted to include a full 12 months of Ziply Fiber, our net debt leverage ratio would have been approximately 3.7x. It's also worth noting that nominal net debt at year-end was $40.2 billion, slightly lower than the $40.3 billion reported at the end of '24 and notably prior to the closing of the Ziply Fiber acquisition, underscoring our continued focus on balance sheet discipline. Overall, we remain sharply focused on deleveraging with our net debt leverage ratio expected to continue trending down in '26 toward our target of 3.5x by the end of 2027.
To conclude, on Slide 17, our 2026 financial targets position BCE to deliver on the 2028 ambitions we set out at Investor Day. The guidance reflects clear progress from 2025 and remains fully aligned with our 3-year financial framework. We're guiding higher revenue, higher adjusted EBITDA, improving capital intensity, strong free cash flow growth and a sustainable dividend. Taken together, these targets reinforce our confidence in the strategy and in our ability to execute and deliver sustainable financial performance over the 3-year horizon.
With that, I'll turn the call back over to Kris and the operator to begin the Q&A.
Thank you, Curtis. [Operator Instructions]. And with that, Matthew, we're ready to take our first question.
[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Tim Casey from BMO Capital Markets.
2. Question Answer
Could -- you talk a little bit about your guidance ranges, 1% to 5% and 0% to 4%. Those -- obviously, there's a few swing factors in there. Maybe just what's influencing you? Is it competitive intensity? Is it economic issues? Just maybe walk us through your thinking on the guidance ranges, if you could, please.
Thanks, Tim. I'll start, and then, Curtis can layer on. I think what you're seeing in the guidance we're giving you on revenue and EBITDA certainly is a reflection that our growth segments continue to grow as we signaled they would, and we continue to need to manage the legacy declines as carefully as we possibly can, and we transparently unpack that for everyone in October last year.
So on the growth side, the proof points are the premium Bell loadings, the churn, the product intensity, the fiber net. Of course, we want to continue to improve service revenues. And in there, you've got AI-powered solutions revenue, both in totality and then within the -- and organically, continue to guide towards positive Bell Media revenue and EBITDA. There's the U.S. opportunity, and of course, free cash flow growth, which is pretty healthy while funding strategic initiatives. So that's on the growth side.
And then the swings potentially are wireless penetration gains and overall market growth in wireless. Of course, the state of pricing in wireless and wireline, both. I already talked about managing legacy, but you've got within that legacy advertising declines and legacy declines generally. The overall economic environment factors into our assessment on the range. And then the last 2 things I'll say is while we've got good momentum in AI-powered solutions and in cost transformation, are we able to further gain even better momentum in both of those, and that could swing to the positive depending on the traction we continue to get.
Anything to add, Curtis?
Yes. I'd just add, it's a detail. We're not targeting to reach low end of the range. We're targeting higher than that, but it is appropriate to have a range. And I'd just note the spread of the range is consistent with the last couple of years. So again, we think this is the appropriate range and consistent with our past practice.
Just as a follow-up, any comment on what we're seeing in the wireless pricing environment and what usually is a very tepid loading environment and promotional environment? There seems to have been a little more activity than some of us would have expected in January. Just what are your reflections on what's going on in wireless so far in '26?
Yes. Thank you for the follow-up, Tim. I'll start with something that does need to be said, particularly with one of our key priorities being putting customers first. It's pretty clear that over the last, call it, number of years, certainly 3 years or so, we see consumers getting tremendous value from the wireless services we offer. You got lowering prices, improved network service enhancements, feature enhancements and basically the benefits of robust competition across the country. So that's important to say.
Within that context, I think probably what I'll say, Tim, is that we're continuing at Bell to be disciplined. And that's a function of just sticking to our plan and being diligent in our execution. So for us, and this is not new, we're really focused on the bell loadings because the market is shifting to Tier 1 brand value proposition with 5G, with mobility, Internet and content. We're trying to improve the service revenue trajectory. We're really dialed in on base management. And if you go back to a year ago, we basically set out ARPU dilutive loadings in January of 2025, and yet, we still delivered strong full-year loadings. It just shows you that the discipline is working.
And more recently, in the past month, January of this year, I think you saw some pretty aggressive promotions, the past 2 weekends, from some of our peers, and we decided to sit that out as well because what we're trying to do is get an appropriate share of wireless nets, profitable transactions, leveraging the premium tier. And we're focused on strong channel execution, both in retail and online and in the call centers.
Our next question is from Stephanie Price from CIBC World Markets.
In terms of my question, I was hoping you could walk through what's baked into the guide in terms of Ziply, how we should think about growth and margins in that business in '26? And maybe my follow-up is a bit on the U.S. competitive environment and if you're seeing any changes in the Ziply footprint here.
Right. So on Ziply, we're pleased. So 2025 ended exactly as we -- pretty much exactly as we telegraphed it would in -- at Investor Day for 2025. So that remains the case. And the performance does remain above our initial investment case when we announced the potential transaction back in November of 2024. So good on both of those fronts.
In terms of the underlying fundamentals, Stephanie, demand for fiber, it's all about fiber and the underlying fundamentals remain strong for fiber, whether or not it's demand for fiber, customer preference penetration gains, where we do have fiber, and the long-term economics, all that remains very supportive and beats cable on pretty much all the metrics, speed, reliability, latency, product expansion, overall experience. And that dynamic hasn't changed either competitively on the ground in the states where Ziply is operating.
And then just in terms of -- you mentioned a significant ramp in H2 in terms of the rollout at Ziply. Just curious how you're thinking about CI and the pace of the fiber rollout in the U.S. business?
Go ahead on CI.
Yes. Thanks for the question, Stephanie. And look, I would say we do manage CapEx and capital intensity on a consolidated basis. So we are expecting capital intensity overall to drop, but fixed dollars remaining the same. You're not wrong, though. I would expect CapEx dollars spent in Canada probably go down year-over-year and with an increase in the U.S. But again, we're managing that on a consolidated basis and gives us the ability to reallocate capital towards higher-growth initiatives. So we're happy to have that flexibility, and frankly, that stronger opportunity in front of us.
Our next question is from Jerome Dubreuil from Desjardins Securities.
I'll just follow up a bit on Tim's questions there. But after seeing what has happened with the wireless landscape over the last few weekends, have you changed your expectations for 2026 or padded the downside a little bit better?
So that's -- Jerome, that's built into the ranges on guidance that we've talked about. If you focus on -- maybe if I take a narrower focus on the question and go straight to ARPU, for example, so when we came out of Black Friday in November of 2025, we thought it would be possible to show moderate ARPU growth by Q4 of 2026. And with the pricing we saw in December of 2025 and what we've seen some of our peers do in January, it might be more difficult to get there. But there's still 11 months left in the year. And I think -- broadly speaking, I think there are signs that we can go back to the level of pricing we saw more of in October, November, particularly while delivering the tremendous value for consumers, which I talked about earlier when I was discussing with Tim.
Okay. That's helpful. In terms of the next step for AI Fabric, I think the ROI opportunity there is pretty strong. Maybe if you can discuss the potential catalyst that you see down the road? Are there -- is there an inflection in demand? Are there announcements we should be expecting maybe from the different government levels?
Yes. So I'll try to take it. So on AI Fabric specifically, what we built in the 2026 plan and guidance is the monetization of a relatively small portion of the significant amount of overall capacity we currently have available to monetize over the coming years. And so that's based on our confidence to deliver those sites in year in 2026. So that's built into what you see today.
We are in active discussions across multiple additional opportunities, and we've been sharing that consistently. And that's based on the pretty strong interest and sales funnel we have. There's a lot of demand for the capacity we do have. And so there are discussions that are ongoing.
Our next question is from Maher Yaghi from Scotiabank.
Maybe I'll start with your assumptions on 2026 wireless subscriber growth for the industry or maybe better if you can give us some indications about what you expect you can achieve. You talked about ARPU. And so when I think about the pricing picture, Mirko, you mentioned that given what you saw in Q1 so far and late in Q4, you might not show a return to positive ARPU growth. I don't think that's -- I think the general market is in line with that view. But do you believe that the first couple of big discounts we saw this quarter in the last week, 2 weekends have hurt you in any way in terms of achieving your goals in subscriber loading for Q1? I'll start with that question, and I'll have another question on convergence after.
Okay. So there's -- thank you, Maher. There's kind of a few elements in that. So let me start with market growth generally. Our view of wireless market growth, to keep it short, is broadly consistent with what you heard last week from one of our competitors. So we also continue to see market growing at a low single-digit rate, and that just reflects a more mature market and lower overall volume growth and increases in penetration. So that's on that part.
I -- in terms of how we're going to operate, it's -- I mean, I don't want to repeat too much of what I said at the beginning in response to the first question, but what we saw in January of this year, particularly the last 2 weekends, it doesn't change the delivery, our execution against our goals because we are going to stick to our plan. We are going to be disciplined. It's all about having a strategy and then executing against that and not deviating because of 1 or 2 weekends.
So our approach remains Bell loadings, accretive loadings sitting out ARPU dilutive loadings, product intensity. So we're going to continue to execute against that. We're doing reasonably well. What we want to get is our appropriate share of market loadings. And on ARPU growth, which was kind of the third element you outlined in your question, I guess I'll end here where I ended on the previous question to when I was discussing with Jerome. There are still 11 months left in the year. So there's lots of opportunity here to deliver on what we all thought we'd be able to deliver, particularly by the end of this year.
Okay. That's fair. So my second question or follow-up is on convergence. Wireless, wireline bundles is not something new, of course. But in a more competitive market, I look at your fiber footprint, the largest in Canada by far, and compare that with some of your U.S. peers, which are trying to catch up and have made convergence their #1 priority, I would say. How much upside do you believe BCE can achieve from leaning on your fiber footprint to increase your wireless market share? And could you share with us what percent of your wireline footprint base is also a wireless customer of BCE, just to have some kind of a reference compared to what we hear from your U.S. peers?
So I think -- I don't have it at my fingertips, Maher, but I think at Investor Day, we did outline our goals on product intensity in terms of percentages, 25% product intensity increase between now and 2028. So we are trying to -- that answers your question is do we think there's upside? 100%, we think there's upside, and we gave the upside target over the 3-year timeframe. And that's largely on the back of an expansive fiber footprint, coupled with the best premium content in the business in Crave and continued leadership in wireless. So -- I know I'm giving you more of a general strategic question -- point of view. So that's the strategy. The strategy is born from a belief in tremendous upside. The upside is going to come through disciplined execution.
And in terms of the specific stats you're asking for, I don't think we'll give that here on the call.
Our next question is from Sebastiano Petti from JPMorgan.
I guess just following up on Stephanie's question related to perhaps the U.S. environment. What you've seen here in the U.S., I guess, is scaled fiber operators seem a bit more focused on driving penetration this year and largely have messaged that ARPU growth might be a little bit muted. I mean -- and then the cable operators, Comcast, Charter, who you compete with in the vast majority of your Ziply footprint, have largely messaged as well that ARPUs or price increases will not necessarily be passed through here, as they try to focus on churn reduction, gross addition improvement. While still early, and I think you just kind of hit on it, Mirko, in your answer to Maher's question there that I presume a lot of the growth is volume-based. But boots on the ground, blocking and tackling, has anything changed in the strategy or Harold and the team's strategy in the U.S. kind of given the competitive environment? That's my first question.
And then, I'll just toss out my second one here as well. On Slide 5, you do talk about continued noncore asset sales as you optimize the balance sheet. Any update on current work streams or what we might be able to perhaps expect in 2026?
So on the Ziply part of the question, Sebastiano, so nothing has changed in terms of the strategy and the execution in the Ziply markets where we have fiber. We're continuing to see the penetration ramp exactly as we had expected and as Ziply had been performing prior to our acquisition. So all that remains quite solid.
On pricing, it's interesting, Ziply has typically not been the highest priced broadband provider in the markets it operates. So there's a price gap between Ziply and cable where Ziply's pricing has tended to be below that of cable. And what you're seeing just maybe more broad kind of take on the Ziply questions is what you're seeing in what we're signaling is the -- there's a deliberate reset here on our part quite strategically.
Prior to closing, Ziply's build plan was largely focused on upgrading its existing copper footprint within its existing ILEC territory. And as we said consistently, as we were leading up to closing of the transaction and since is that our long-term plan together with the Ziply management team is to go broader now. And now we have PSP in the Network FiberCo project. And the plan there is to build both within and beyond the ILEC footprint. And we're going to do that in a sequential and capital disciplined way. So we plan to do the build now not only within the 4 core states, not only within the ILEC footprint in those 4 core states, but outside both the ILEC footprint and the 4 core states.
So if you kind of take that as the strategy, what happened is once we closed the acquisition, we took a bit of a step back and to reassess what had been the build plan so that we could tackle the wider geographic slate. And as we redesign the plan, what you're going to see is a little bit of a near-term slowdown in terms of the actual passings, but ramp, as we get to the back half of this year and into 2027 and beyond so that not only can we hit our 3 million locations passed target, but do it in the markets that we think are the most attractive.
And then the second question was...
Yes, Sebastiano, to get to your second question around asset sales. So I'd say consistent with our previous messaging throughout the year at Investor Day, we are focused on maintaining our discipline around capital allocation. One of our priorities is strengthening the balance sheet. You saw net debt slightly, but decreased even with the acquisition of Ziply. So we are continued -- we will continue to be focused. We are on track to reach our 3.5x net leverage target by 2027. And as we talked about previously, asset sales will play a role. We do have files underway. And as we reach agreements, we'll provide more transparency to the market.
Our next question is from Vince Valentini from TD Securities.
First, maybe just a clarification. Are we going to get Enterprise segment revenue starting to get disclosed discretely in the first quarter? I thought there was some indication at Investor Day, you'd improve enhanced disclosure.
And second, more of a question, employee purchase plans within the wireless segment. I know you've been saying for the last couple of quarters, the vast majority of your postpaid net adds are on the Bell brand, but the Bell brand includes these EPP plans, which sometimes are $35 or $40 for big buckets of data, including roaming in other countries as well. Can you give us any sense, is that a satisfactory level of your loading, Mirko? Do you think that's getting a bit out of control? And do you have good eyeballs and gates on making sure your in-store reps authenticate people to make sure they qualify for these EPP versus just giving it to anybody?
Thanks for the question, Vince. I'll do the second, and Curtis, you can answer the first.
Look, on EPPs, they are -- there's an EPP segment in the marketplace. We have traditionally, frankly, been gapped in EPP sales, both in terms of in the past functionality and as well as kind of a desire. By design, we've been gapped. We've over time fixed some of the product feature and execution gaps on EPPs, but our view hasn't changed on the strategy, which is we'll play where we need to, but we believe we are fundamentally disciplined executing against all core segments.
Again, the focus is disciplined execution on the most accretive loadings while remaining competitive as appropriate in each segment. And that's what we're going to continue to do, Vince. We -- and again, you just -- EPP is one part of it, but you see some of the above-the-line aggressive pricing that some of our peers have put in market the last 2 weekends, and we set out. We did the same thing last year in January 2025. And ultimately, when you look at the full year performance in 2025, we took our appropriate share of net adds, and that's because we focused on executing against -- at the right times throughout the year. And that's the thing -- that's what we're going to continue to do.
And Vince, just on your first question, the answer is yes. So starting Q1, we'll provide more detail in and around the enterprise segment.
Our next question is from Batya Levi from UBS.
Great. A couple of follow-ups. First on the U.S. Is it possible to size the build plan for this year? And what are some other opportunities you're seeing to accelerate the fiber plan in the U.S., maybe some tuck-ins? And convergence also a theme. And are you -- do you see adding an MVNO important to inflect your subscriber growth in the U.S.? And a quick follow-up on Canada, can you talk about the TPIA activity in broadband?
Okay. Thank you, Batya. So on M&A opportunities, I'm going to give you a general answer on M&A opportunities, and this applies to the U.S. or Canada. We'll always take a look at opportunities to drive shareholder value. Importantly, though, any one of those would have to fit within our capital markets goals and deleveraging targets. So I'll leave it at that on M&A in the U.S. or otherwise.
In terms of convergence, we -- at this moment in time, a converged offering in the U.S. is not required by Ziply in order to drive the penetration gains where we have fiber, and -- but we recognize that there may be a point in time that we'll want to do that, and we have a number of options available to us that we are looking at. So stay tuned for more on that over time.
In TPIA, yes, of course, TPIA, not -- in terms of our -- what we want to do -- fundamentally, here's what we want to do. We want to -- again, in our approach to put customers first, we really do want to provide in the West to Western consumers an additional fiber option, particularly for those customers who want to buy more than one product from us. That remains our goal. Not much has happened with respect to execution against that goal, and that's because we're having difficulty getting an appropriate level of service from the fiber operator out West. And -- I mean, not to get into too much gory detail on this. I mean, some of the service windows or install windows are frankly weeks long, significantly longer than what we provide to resellers on our fiber network in the East, and that's untenable, particularly when we think that consumers out West are deserving or as deserving as competition as consumers everywhere else.
ARPUs are higher for Internet in the West than they are in the East. So you could easily argue that consumers in the West are perhaps even more deserving of more competition. So what we're looking for is just an appropriate level of service from the underlying network owner out West. And once we -- once that's delivered to us, we'll be able to execute against what we said at Investor Day.
And are you seeing higher reseller activity in your region?
That's traditionally been the case. There's always been more resell for years and years and years in the East than in the West, and that's because the regulatory rules were actually always, for some reason, asymmetrical until recently, where there was no fiber mandate in the West, but there was a fiber resell mandate in the East. It's a bit inexplicable, but it's what it is. Those rules have changed now so that there's a fiber resell mandate across the country, but we just need appropriate service delivery so that we can deliver an experience to customers out West that they would expect of us and that we want to deliver because, again, all this -- put all of this aside, what matters the most is the experience that we deliver to customers. That's what concerns me the absolute most.
Our next question is from Matthew Griffiths from Bank of America.
I just wanted to ask on guidance. Coming out of the Investor Day, I think the message, and correct me if I'm wrong, was for within that 3-year guidance window for EBITDA growth to be sequentially higher in each subsequent year. Is that still the case as we get -- as we see 2026 guidance in the context of the 3-year guide?
Matthew, it's Curtis. Yes, nothing's changed our view there. We expect as our growth businesses ramp up, as Ziply Fiber continues to expand their footprint and drive penetration, as our AI-powered solutions businesses ramp up, we continue to expect EBITDA to progressively improve over that 3-year horizon.
Okay. And so within the guidance range for 2024 -- sorry, of 0% to 4% for 2026, it would seem at the high end of that range, given the ranges that you have longer term, it implies a downward trajectory on subsequent year growth. Can you just help kind of bridge those 2 together? And maybe there's something lumpy that could fall into 2026 that might fall into 2027? I don't know what it could be, but just kind of reconcile those things, would be helpful.
Yes. It's a fair question, Matthew. And look, the trend is upward, but it's not a linear path. As Mirko talked about earlier, there are timing fluctuations in terms of -- especially in our enterprise side of the world, there's a timing impact in terms of advertising continued rebound, launches of our services. So yes, on a 3-year horizon, it's a continuous upward trend. But within any reporting period, there's still going to be a range of outcomes. But the first point still holds true.
Okay. That's helpful. And then, you made some comments on wireless ARPU, which are helpful. I just was curious if you would make -- like what you would say your assumptions are around kind of international roaming as a contributor to either continued declines or stability? Because in the past, you've made some comments on where your monthly recurring revenues have been trending, which has been positive. So anything to add there would be helpful.
Yes. So roaming trends actually improved sequentially in Q4. It was still a decline, but it was a low single-digit decline. So we saw a healthy recovery in consumer roaming revenue in Q4, which is, I'd say, encouraging for future ARPU performance if that continues to hold.
There are no further questions registered at this time. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Somers.
Thank you, Matthew. Thank you again, everyone, for your participation on the call this morning. Richard and I will be available throughout the day for follow-up questions or clarifications. Thanks again, and have a great day.
Thanks, everyone. Have a good day.
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BCE Inc. — Q4 2025 Earnings Call
BCE Inc. — Q4 2025 Earnings Call
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: Service-Revenue 2025 +0,6% gegenüber Vorjahr.
- EBITDA: Adjusted EBITDA +0,7% in 2025; bereinigte Marge 43,6% für das Jahr; Q4-Marge 44,2% (+130 Basispunkte YoY).
- Free Cash Flow: FCF (Free Cash Flow) +10% auf $3,2 Mrd; FCF nach Leasingzahlungen +17,5%.
- CapEx: Investitionen $3,7 Mrd in 2025, Kapitalintensität 15,1%; 2026e CapEx ~ $3,7 Mrd, Ziel ≤15%.
- Bilanz: Nominaler Netto-Schuldenstand $40,2 Mrd, Nettoverschuldungsgrad ~3,8x; Ziel 3,5x bis Ende 2027.
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Strategische Prioritäten: Vier Fokusbereiche — Fiber, Wireless, Enterprise (AI‑Lösungen) und Media — mit messbaren Zielgrößen aus dem Investor Day.
- Kundenfokus: „Customer‑first“ zahlt sich aus: Postpaid‑Churn verbessert sich dreimal in Folge; ARPU‑Trend stabilisiert sich durch Premium‑Loadings.
- Wachstumsprojekte: Ziply‑Akquisition neu priorisiert (Ausbau in wachstumsstarken Märkten; Ziel ≈3 Mio. Passings bis Ende 2028). AI‑Lösungen (Ateko, Bell Cyber, Bell AI Fabric) ~ $700 Mio. in 2025; Ziel $1,5 Mrd bis 2028.
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Umsatz/Gewinn: 2026 Guidance: Umsatz +1% bis +5%; Adjusted EBITDA +0% bis +4%.
- EPS: Adjusted EPS 2026 erwartet $2,50–$2,65 (−5% bis −11% vs. 2025), belastet durch ≈$250 Mio. höhere Abschreibungen und ≈$100 Mio. mehr Zinsaufwand.
- Cash & Dividende: FCF 2026 +4% bis +10%; Dividendenquote soll weiter 40–55% bleiben; CapEx stabil bei ≈$3,7 Mrd.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Wireless‑Preisumfeld: Analysten fragten nach jüngsten Promotions; Management betont Disziplin (Premium‑Loadings) und sagt, die Guidance reflektiert diesen Unsicherheitsbereich.
- Ziply‑Rollout: Nachfrage und Penetration robust; Build‑Pace wurde neu terminiert – spürbare Beschleunigung in H2/2026, Fokus auf höherwertige Märkte.
- AI & Offenlegung: AI‑Monetarisierung ist eingebettet in die Guidance; ab Q1 wird es detailliertere Enterprise‑Segment‑Angaben geben. Asset‑Verkäufe werden geprüft, Files laufen.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: BCE zeigt Momentum in Fiber, AI‑Enterprise und Streaming (Crave), liefert starke FCF‑Performance und hält eine nachhaltige Dividendenpolitik. Risiken bleiben im Wettbewerbsdruck bei Wireless‑Preisen und in der Timing‑Execution für Ziply; Anleger sollten auf ARPU‑Entwicklung, Ziply‑Build‑Execution und AI‑Monetarisierung achten.
BCE Inc. — UBS Global Media and Communications Conference 2025
1. Question Answer
Great. Thanks, everyone, for joining. I'm Batya Levi from the communications team at UBS. And our next speaker is Mirko Bibic, President and CEO of BCE. Thank you so much for being with us.
Good morning, Batya.
Michael, I thought that we would maybe start with kind of setting up your main -- talking about your main priorities as we head into next year?
Great. Thank you. So actually, there's nothing -- there are no secrets here in terms of our priorities. We had an Investor Day in October, and we laid out what we plan to do over the next 3 years from '26 all the way through '28. And if I can summarize it in a nutshell, clearly, we spent 2025 really focused on strengthening the balance sheet. So strengthen the balance sheet that came with a dividend reset. We're really hyper focused on deleveraging and driving sustainable free cash flow growth and optimizing the cost of capital. So broadly speaking, from a capital markets perspective, the goal is to deliver total shareholder return. At the same time, as we kind of strengthen the balance sheet with all those elements, we have basically redesigned the growth platform for BCE for the years ahead.
So a completely different company with a new momentum and a lot of energy, and we're hyper focused on 4 key priorities, which is putting the customer first, but which everyone does say, but really leaning into it and delivering, and you're going to see it in things like churn improvement. So really walking the talk on that, building the -- delivering the best fiber and wireless networks would be the second.
The third is leading an enterprise with AI-powered solutions. We have such a strong enterprise platform in Canada that has been underappreciated, and we haven't talked about it enough, and it's poised for growth, which is super exciting.
And the fourth priority is building a digital media and content powerhouse and a word on that. We have owned Bell Media for many, many, many years. It was a traditional broadcaster, the largest broadcaster in Canada. And since 2020, we've been hard at work repositioning Bell Media to be from a traditional broadcaster to a digital media and content player. So everything we think about is digital. And we've now turned that asset around where it's expected to deliver positive revenue and EBITDA growth year after year. So those are the 4 priorities. So it's strengthening the balance sheet, the capital market strategy I talked about, and it's hyper focused on those 4 core priorities and making sure we fund that growth.
Okay. Great. So let's dig in those segments. Maybe starting with the wireless. A few years ago, we saw some heightened competitive intensity. In the U.S., the carriers used to say, let's look up north and it was like implement that more rational competitive environment, and it went the other way. But now there seems to be a little bit more emphasis on still competitive, obviously, but maybe a bit more rationality. How would you characterize maybe just recent trends? Are we right that we're seeing a little bit better promotional environment in Canada?
So I think -- well, the answer to that is yes, and let me back up. I love the way you put the question, which was in the past, carriers, investors in the U.S. would look up north. And we -- the Canadian wireless industry for years and years is always a great place to invest. There was some turbulence in the past 2, 3 years with the entry of a fourth national player. I'd say we're back. We're on the verge of being back. So I would kind of lean in and say, look at Canada again in wireless because it's going to be a good place to invest again. And why do I say that? And we've been signaling since, I would say, mid-Q2 of this year that we were starting to see some positive momentum in the wireless industry.
And if we just take the recent past, the recent few weeks as you mentioned Black Friday as a proof point. If you compare Black Friday in Canada in wireless this year to last year, kind of the promotion started later. They ended earlier. And the rate of cash discounting was significantly better this year and pricing has been higher this year compared to last year as well on kind of the monthly service charge and all while delivering -- continuing to deliver significant value to subscribers, which I think is a very important point. And then within that context, you've got Bell Mobility, and we've got -- we've got tremendous upside. We have done an amazing job reducing our churn. We were -- we had the highest churn, and we're working really hard at reducing it. And you can see quarter after quarter, our churn is improving.
Our product intensity is increasing. So the number of bundled households we have, and we've really been hyper focused on getting customers on the Bell brand, which is the premium brand where we bundle customers. So there's a more higher lifetime value on the Bell brand. So from a macro perspective, a lot better and our performance has been good, and it's going to continue to be good.
That's good to hear. In terms of maybe one macro dynamic is slower integration, slower subscriber growth. Are we starting to lap that where you see maybe more stable trends going forward?
So I think that is the good news. If you compare the back half of 2024 and certainly the entirety of 2025 in terms of market growth, it's been significantly less than kind of in that immediately post-COVID, where Canada's population growth increased dramatically in '22, '23 and kind of the first part of 2024. That has subsided quite a bit. So back half of '24 and all of '25, we were adjusting to and lapping very high rates of market growth. The market is still growing. It's just growing less than it did a few years ago. And as I look into 2026, it's going to continue to grow, and it's going to grow probably similar to this year.
So we are lapping -- like we've lapped that headwind now. And from a general economy perspective, I think the economy in Canada is going to probably stay more or less stable in '26 as it has been more or less stable in 2025. So we've got that stability, and we've got market growth stability. So I think that's another positive proof point.
And what's driving the churn improvement?
It's a multifaceted approach. So first of all, I mentioned in the first question, really putting our -- walking the talk on customer experience. We are -- we've done a lot of work that no one's seen cleaning up, call it, the back end of the legacy systems. And essentially, in a nutshell, equipping our people with the tools they need to better serve customers. That would be one. We've also equipped our customers with the tools they need to serve themselves. whether that's a virtual repair tool, better online sales. We've got AI, virtual -- AI-powered virtual agents to help mediate issues. So that customer experience is dramatically better. That's one.
Two is we've spent more time, significantly more time focused on increasing the number of households who buy multiple products from us. So increasing that bundled household. Back in 2020, we were materially gap to our competitors. We've narrowed that gap. In Canada, convergence has shifted not only from mobility and Internet to mobility Internet and content, and we've got a significant advantage there on content. If you think about that converged 3-product bundle, we're in a great spot. We have the most fiber households of anybody with fiber is the best broadband technology you can buy. We've got a national wireless network, and we've got a tremendous 5G, 5G plus network, owner economics on wireless, owner economics on fiber, and we own the #1 sports service available streaming.
And we have -- we are the only Canadian -- we're the only Canadian operator with a premium content streaming platform called Crave. So we have economics on content. And we've been driving customers to multiproduct on the Bell brand. So we also have great distribution and tremendous trust in the Bell brand. So you put all those together with a focus on execution, we just kind of basically put our shoulder to the wheel and get it done.
And within that, is there also maybe allocation of spending to retain the base? Is that also helping?
We have also -- we were gap to our competitors, we believe, in the recent past on the number of subscribers that we've recontracted. And if we look in kind of the recent performance, we've had a stellar -- if you look at our customer -- or the customers that basically our net add growth in the last few quarters, high preponderance on the Bell brand. We like our sales mix. We've got a higher proportion of contracted customers compared to bring your own device customers or noncontracted customers compared to the past. So we have put a lot of focus on that, too.
Okay. And something that we saw in the U.S. is that continuous price up led to higher churn. And in Canada, we just started to see some stable pricing and even maybe some increases of the front book. Do you think that those are sustainable? Or do you worry that, that could increase churn when you had started to see just some improvement flow through?
Well, I -- again, I feel very good about that, too. So if you -- there have been some price ups, but we needed some price ups. But if you compare the level of pricing today in the market compared to 5 years ago, it's 50% less at a basket level, at a macro level. So there's significant and better networks. So the consumer in Canada is getting significant value. I think we're getting to a better equilibrium in terms of the value that we deliver and the price that we secure for the value we deliver. So -- and then the entire market has moved up a bit. So I think from a pricing point of view, there's not kind of one provider who's standing out, except maybe the fourth provider that has a little bit of pricing room there. So it really is around driving better execution across the key touch points that the customers are looking for, price, trust in the provider, better customer experience, better networks, content.
So along -- putting all of those together in terms of -- everybody is focused on your ARPU trends. It had been sort of declining but at a growing rate. And now we've just started to see potentially some improvement going forward. Can that be sustained? And can ARPU grow?
Yes. So we see the possibility of ARPU growth in the back half of next year. So I'll lead with the punchline on that, which is important. I think if you're looking at pricing generally, if you -- ARPU is composed of several elements, one of the key components of ARPU is the monthly service charge. And the monthly service component of ARPU that we are securing today from new customers is higher than the monthly service component of ARPU in our base of customers. So that's a really positive development. And then we're more than halfway through the repricing of the back book, which is another good touch point. And as far as Bell is concerned, in particular, the drive that we have and the focus that we have on multiproduct households, which are -- we only have now one brand that offers multiproduct, which is Bell.
So we're driving higher value customers on the Bell brand across multiple products, which is driving lifetime value and significantly higher lifetime value than for the average customer. So that's also a really positive development as you look at churn in wireline, churn in wireless and then ARPU growth in wireless and ARPU growth in wireline and ultimately, lifetime value.
And I think within wireless, you've also mentioned that it's nice to have subscriber growth but profitable subscriber growth. Right now, the environment seems to be manageable. But can you talk about kind of like where you would draw the line in terms of promotional activity and let go subscribers? What is more important as you head out next year or through your 3-year plan?
So the most important thing is going back to the very first question, we want to drive sustainable free cash flow growth for our investors. That's clearly -- if you just go back to Investor Day on October 14, title of the whole day was driving sustainable free cash flow growth. You do that by driving revenue growth and EBITDA growth and ultimately managing your CapEx, funding the right things, and that's how you're going to get your free cash flow growth at the 15% CAGR levels that we want. So if you start with that's the primary objective and walk -- walk back from there, clearly, we need to grow the platform. We want to have wireless is such a big component of our business. We want to grow our subscriber base, but ARPU accretive customers with higher lifetime value. That's the objective.
So it's not -- we sit there -- when we look at a quarter, we're not saying the win for us is winning net add market share in that quarter. It's getting the best customers that are ultimately over time, going to allow us to execute against that 3-year road map we provided to shareholders because now it's all transparent. Everyone knows what we're trying to drive from a financial perspective. So every move we make tactically is designed to do that. So clearly, we want to grow our net adds, and we will and we have been. But it's on the Bell brand, multiproduct, ARPU accretive lifetime value.
Okay. And on the convergence and multiproduct, what converged bundle provides more improvement on the churn side? Is it the fixed wireless one or wireless maybe fixed and DTC, which one does better? Or does it matter for you?
Well, the more products you have, the lower your churn and the higher lifetime value. So it's -- ideally for us, the sweet spot is a wireless customer on the highest tier combined with fiber on Internet and hopefully kind of 3 gigs, 1.5 gigs, 3 gigs, potentially higher and content. And what -- the highest ARPU on content is the full-fledged 5 TV service with the biggest content packages, but the streaming packages we offer highly accretive as well.
The highest base of converged customers we have are mobility and Internet, but Canada is migrating to mobility, Internet and content. So kind of at a general level, mobility, Internet and content is where we want to go, and we have some pretty high growth objectives on those bundled customers that we've outlined at Investor Day, but mobility and Internet is also important.
Okay. And can you talk a little bit about beyond improvements in churn, what other opportunities do you get when you bundle the product?
So it's again, it's the overall lifetime value. And so for us, it's when we bundle a customer, we automatically get them on the Bell brand, which is what we want to do. So like you get offer simplification because all our multiproduct offers are on the Bell brand. So you lower your cost, you lower your cost, you retain the customer longer, which is obviously the churn component, your lifetime value goes up. And then you get to -- once you've got the customer, you get to migrate them to more content or a higher tier of mobility or a higher speed tier on fiber.
Are there opportunities in terms of integrating all the different cost buckets when you are serving a multiproduct customer?
Yes. And we've done that. So we've done a lot of work in the background simplifying our kind of our service delivery. We used to have 5 years ago, we used to have a call center queue for a call center operation for mobility, a call center operation for wireline and then you'd have the transfers. Now we have household queues as an example, that drives a lot of costs out.
We've got the ability to mediate customer interactions digitally with virtual agents, both chat and voice assisted across all the services in unison. So that takes a lot of cost out of the business. Of course, the more fiber you have and the more customers you have on fiber, your costs are automatically going to go down, both in terms of truck rolls with self-install, virtual repair, lower truck roll. So it all goes together end-to-end. It's an end-to-end approach to service delivery.
Got it. And what about competitive intensity in broadband? Is that getting any better?
Actually, it is. And then we saw -- we're seeing some stability there in certain key provinces in Ontario, in particular, which is the most populous province in the country where we have the largest number of fiber locations, we've seen pricing stabilize. Quebec is the second largest province where we have the second highest fiber locations, and we've seen broadband pricing by and large, if you look over a 12-month period, stabilize there as well. So we're feeling good on that front also.
You have been the challenger mostly in Quebec.
We -- until this year, we had been the challenger. And there's a reason for that. So in terms of -- we've had fiber in Atlantic Canada since 2008 and our performance has been stellar. And in Ontario, our performance has been very strong as well. In Quebec, we had kind of a significant amount of fiber. In fact, it's the other than Atlantic Canada, where we started our fiber build, yet we saw our kind of penetration had stagnated. And I was not pleased with the fact that we invested so much capital building the best network, and we were growing our market share, but not commensurate with the market share growth that we saw in other areas where we had fiber.
And as we lowered price, we saw -- there's a lot of legacy reasons for this that we had to overcome, which we can get into at some other time perhaps. But we saw with kind of adjusting our price, we saw our market share skyrocket. So we went from low 30s to low 40s in penetration and market share. And -- but that has an impact when you're the price challenger. And now that we've got our market share in a more reasonable place, we've pulled back on the pricing lever somewhat. And I think that's why I can say in answer to your first question, we have seen stability.
Right. And in terms of your penetration goals where you have fiber, where do you think that could sort of get to and stay at a run rate?
I guess I'll go back to Atlantic Canada. So again, Atlantic Canada, we have tremendous fiber coverage, just a small number of -- the population is relatively small compared to some other parts of Canada, but we have very high fiber penetration, had it for quite a bit of time and both our market share and penetration has punched well above 50%. So when you've got the superior technology...
Specially with multiproduct?
In multiproduct, you got the superior broadband technology. Broadband is so critical to consumers. And the capacity needs and the quality needs will not diminish over time. And so I think we're -- and fiber is going to remain the superior technology for a long time. I think cable, just as a general comment, cable infrastructure has got to -- cable operators have a lot of work to do, a lot of work to do to keep up with consumer needs, bandwidth needs and to keep up with the competition. So we're in a good spot.
And we have more than -- important point for those who may not know Canada as well as you do the U.S., we have more than twice as many fiber locations as any other provider and nowhere that we operate is there another fiber operator. So we are the only fiber operator where we are, where we offer service and have more than twice as many as the nearest fiber competitor in Canada.
Right. And -- but I think your plans are kind of like getting to that 8 million fiber homes passed and not necessarily build beyond that.
So we had a target. We outlined a target in 2021 to get to the target to get to 8 million. We will be at 8 million by the end of this year, which is in 2, 3 weeks. And then we're not going to stop. We're just going to significantly reduce the pace of build. So we're going to think about it as a baseline build. There are new housing starts in Canada, like they are everywhere else every year. So new housing starts in our operating territory, we will build fiber too. We have some subsidy builds that provincial and federal governments have subsidized some broadband builds in rural areas. We've contracted to do a lot of those, and we're going to continue to fulfill our commitments over the next 2, 3 years. So we'll do that as well.
And we've got some black holes, some MDUs in urban areas that we want to continue. So that's what we're going to do as the baseline build, which is significantly less than recent years. And we're going to drive fiber growth in the U.S. through Ziply Fiber.
Right. Before we get to the U.S., fixed wireless in Canada, I think you reached -- you have about -- a little bit over 1 million passings. How do you envision utilizing that product going forward?
The short answer -- and I don't mean to be flippant, but the short answer is fiber wins. Fiber just wins and fixed wireless access does not compete or come anywhere close to competing with fiber and actually doesn't compete very well in Canada anyway against Tier 1 cable. And that's been our experience. And there's a lot of talk in the U.S. about fixed wireless access, probably the known fact south of the border is we were the first to launch fixed wireless access at scale. So in 2018, we launched our offering to 1 million locations passed. And I mean it does well where there's no other option, and it does well against Tier 2 cable nothing competes with fiber.
Okay. U.S. So it was an interesting move on your part, I thought getting into U.S., but also having some ambitious plans to keep the fiber deployment going. It seems a bit of a land grab right now. Everybody -- I mean, a lot of the incumbent telcos and private companies are looking to build fiber. Are there that many opportunities to build fiber in the U.S. in an economic way?
Right. So if I take a step back, just because you said surprising at the time it was announced. But if I take a step back, we are -- we become a fiber-first company. That's what we do, and we do it really well. And as we were getting to the end of our 8 million locations passed target that we just talked about, we said, okay, we're not going to -- we want to continue to drive growth with fiber because that's what we do. So where is the opportunity? Is the opportunity to continue to push as aggressively in Canada? Or is there a better opportunity in the U.S. And now that we've got 8 million locations passed in Canada, the incremental build is higher cost to build than the initial 8 million. And there's such an opportunity in the U.S.
There's so much less fiber availability here than there is in Canada, and the cost to build is very attractive. And so that was kind of the strategic rationale behind the Ziply Fiber play. Now in terms of our expansion opportunity, we're at 1.4 million fiber locations passed in the Pacific Northwest. And we have a goal to get to close to 3 million by 2028 with a longer-range ambition of 8 million. There are a lot of households in the U.S. that don't have fiber significantly more than 8 million. So we've mapped out the opportunity, and we believe we can get to the 8 million. But what's important is the business -- it's not like the investment case turns on 8 million. It's just a growth opportunity. If we get to 5.5 million, that's a tremendous growth opportunity. If we get to 6.2 million, that's a tremendous growth opportunity.
But we have line of sight to 8 million, and that's what we're going to do. And when we go back to -- again, back to the very first question you asked me, and I say one of our key objectives is to optimize the cost of capital. We have a funding partner in the U.S. to help us fund the build and therefore, drive the growth that we want to secure. And that's with PSP, which is the Canadian Public Sector Pension fund.
In terms of cost to build, as you think about maybe the next million and the next million, how are you thinking about the cost to build to evolve? I think we saw some cherry picking and initial maybe 50% of the U.S. has been built roughly $1,000 per home or maybe a little bit above. But isn't the next cohort going to cost more?
We think that in the large majority of the 8 million that we've mapped out will be -- we're anchored to -- I'll tell you what the key variables are for us. We're anchored to that $1,000 per line pass, give or take, a little bit because we appreciate it. We do understand that over the next couple of years, there will be general CPI or inflation. So -- but we're anchored to that $1,000. We're also anchored to the concept that we are going to choose locations where we're the first to fiber. So key things. Cost to build, first to fiber. And then even with those key variables, we see line of sight to that 8 million over time. But again, 6 million, there'll be amazing growth for Ziply Fiber.
Is convergence important to get that fiber growth in the U.S.?
Well, it's -- we're going to build first and then the key thing is penetrate the fiber plant that we're going to build. We've seen -- we've compared Ziply Fiber penetration gains where they've launched fiber in their current footprint to BCE's fiber penetration gains where we've launched fiber, and we've been building fiber since 2008. So we have 18 years of -- 17 years of experience with fiber. Ziply Fiber's penetration gains after 6 months, 1 year, 3 years, 5 years is very, very close, basically sits on top of our lengthy experience. And this has been done in the kind of the last 4 years by Ziply Fiber without a wireless offering. So they've not been slowed down at all.
So we're going to get the penetration gains that we expect in the investment case without a wireless offering. But here's what we think is going to happen. At some point, we'll hit that kind of a certain penetration plateau, which I think will be in the 40 to mid-40s. And we may need at that point in time, a wireless offering to get to the next plateau of penetration gain. So I fully expect that over time, we will have a wireless offering, and we've got a lot of options there. And the Ziply Fiber management team was planning for this before they became part of the BCE family in any event.
Because it seems like the U.S. is changing. Cable is losing momentum, fiber, fixed wireless taking share and convergence is also part of the play. And frankly, right now, we don't have that much pricing power in the U.S. when cable is looking to improve volumes. How do you think you can balance both? Like do you think that you would need maybe wireless convergence earlier than planned? And do you think that you can continue to improve pricing here? Can you see price up in the U.S.?
So interesting, Ziply, the secret to Ziply's success to date. And I mean it's a really interesting story. It basically took a legacy asset that was dramatically underperforming which was part of Frontier, acquired it in 2020 as part of kind of right before the Frontier restructuring and the team of founding management set about completely turning that asset around to become a fiber-first operator. So #1, it's all fiber. There's a little bit more of legacy copper upgrade to do, but significant fiber, completely, fully modernize their IT stack. Their NPS numbers, no matter how you measure them, service sales, transactional relational through the roof, their NPS numbers like I've never seen before. So customer-first culture, fiber, completely modernize the IT infrastructure. In fact, up to now, their pricing has been a little bit lower than cable and it's delivered tremendous results.
So as we look forward, we're just going to continue leaning on those key ingredients. And when you -- the management team -- I mean, I'm proud of the following thing I'm going to say, the management team has stayed with BCE post-acquisition. And they've done it because they're energized about what we want to do. With BCE now as being part of the BCE family, we have a plan to accelerate the base case build that they had before. So we were able to do what they wanted to do faster. And now we're also expanding beyond the 4 core states, which wasn't in their base case plan. So we're accelerating and expanding. And now you've got BCE, which has deep expertise in fiber with a local management team with deep expertise in fiber and then you've got the capital [ VC ] and PSP behind the push. So it's a great story for them.
Okay. Going back to Canada. When you gave your 3-year outlook, one part that we weren't very comfortable with is the expectations for enterprise revenue growth to accelerate to 2% to 4%. Can you talk a little bit about kind of new initiatives, but it also carries a lot of legacy revenues that have been declining for some time. How do you make that transition in an accretive way? And I think we hear from multiple telecom operators that enterprise and new opportunities, AI-driven solutions is key. Everybody seems to be the winner. But who is actually going to win? Just your approach to how you can turn enterprise.
That's a great question. And we are very excited about the potential of Bell Business Markets, which is our Enterprise division. It is an underappreciated jewel in the BCE story. So let's take a step back. We have $5 billion -- roughly $5 billion in revenues today, the vast majority of it being in what you would consider the core communication services that we've been delivering to enterprises for 145 years, right? And I think what's unique about us, and if you just look at our more recent traditional rate of decline in core communications because basically every telco has been declining in core enterprise. Just really look at our rate of decline -- well, we weren't sharing all these numbers in the past, but I will tell you that our rate of decline was very modest in the recent past and significantly better than the performance of other kind of large cap telcos who have big enterprise businesses.
So we've been managing the decline really, really well, but now we have a plan to turn the core communications business in enterprise to flat and a little bit of growth. And it comes back to, again, execution, just delivering -- modernizing the back end so we can deliver better service to customers. I can go on for half an hour on this, but I'll just leave it there. It is providing network on-demand services. It is offering new modernized versions of communications. So Unified Communications as a Service. For example, we have an exclusive partnership with Zoom, where we offer Bell Zoom Workplace or workplace by Bell Zoom. These are the kinds of things we're doing to modernize the suite of services in core. And we're going to turn that modestly negative to flat to slight growth.
Then on the -- we have 3 growth verticals now as well, and you mentioned them in terms of kind of the AI vector. So we have 3 newly launched businesses this year. One is cyber. Another one is Ateko, which is -- think about it as a systems integrator that's hyper focused on AI automation. So it helps enterprises with their cloud infrastructure, Azure, Google Cloud and AWS as well as ServiceNow and Salesforce, hyper focused on only those things. And the differentiator for Ateko is all that work I described, all the expertise, they do it for Bell. As we've modernized ourselves, Ateko has been a key ingredient to that. So all that experience then gets brought to our third-party customers.
And we have Bell AI Fabric, which is a national ecosystem of purpose-built AI data centers. And what's really key here in terms of who's going to win is 95 of the top 100 enterprises in Canada do business with Bell and have done business with Bell for years and decades. And we are the most trusted -- frankly, we're one of the most trusted brands in the Canadian economy. So we have deep enterprise relationships, the best network and a hyper-focused suite of AI solutions that we're seeing organically grow quarter after quarter. By the way, in terms of who's going to win? Well, there's a lot of room, right? The addressable market is massive. And it's not going to be a winner-take-all kind of thing. There is a lot of growth there for us to secure despite the fact that there's going to be -- many players are going to try to take their kind of anchor down in certain corners of the space.
That's great. We're out of time, but one final question on capital allocation. We heard during the investor meeting your target leverage, CapEx needs -- CapEx requirements and investments. Maybe just help us how would you prioritize all the capital allocation needs over the next 3 years? And within that, one pushback comes through lease payment reduction is a part of that 16% free cash flow growth. How do you achieve that?
Yes. So maybe some open the aperture here. So we want to get to 3.5x leverage by 2027, and we will. We're going to deliver at least CAD 5 billion in total dividend payments between now and 2028. Our capital in terms of our CapEx budget, we expect in absolute dollars to remain flat in '26, '27, '28, which means that as our revenue grows, our capital intensity ratio will come down. You've got kind of flat CapEx, but your revenue is growing. So we'll be in the 15%-ish this year, probably 14.5% next year, then lower than that in '27 and '28. And again, it's the focus on where we allocate those dollars is going to be against the 4 priorities I mentioned at the very beginning, customer service improvements, wireless network improvements, more fiber, Canada, U.S. investing in the right spaces in AI and then in digital media.
Those are where the investments are going to be and the ones that drive the highest returns, the programs, projects, investments in those core priorities that drive the highest returns are what is going to get funded. And on capital lease repayments, yes, they are going to come down over that 3-year horizon. So we're going to be delivering 7% free cash flow growth, the way we've traditionally defined free cash flow and 15% CAGR after capital lease repayments.
Okay. Great. We'll stop it there. Thank you so much.
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BCE Inc. — UBS Global Media and Communications Conference 2025
BCE Inc. — UBS Global Media and Communications Conference 2025
📣 Kernbotschaft
- Kern: BCE legt den Fokus auf Bilanzstärkung (Dividend reset, Deleveraging) und nachhaltiges Free-Cashflow-Wachstum. Gleichzeitig wird das Geschäftsmodell auf vier Prioritäten ausgerichtet: Kundenzentrierung, beste Fiber-/Wireless-Netze, AI-getriebene Enterprise-Lösungen und digitale Medien.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Prioritäten: Kundenbindung (Churn-Verbesserung), Netzqualität (Fiber & 5G), Enterprise-AI-Produkte und Bell Media als Digital-Content-Plattform.
- Ziply U.S.: Ziply Fiber soll massiv ausgebaut werden (1,4 Mio. Passings aktuell; Ziel ~3 Mio. bis 2028, langfristig Ambition 8 Mio.).
- Konservierung: CapEx soll in absoluten Zahlen 2026–2028 etwa flach bleiben; Investitionen priorisiert nach Rendite.
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Finanzziele: Ziel 3,5x Verschuldung bis 2027; mindestens CAD 5 Mrd. Dividendenzahlungen bis 2028; 15% FCF-CAGR nach Lease-Reduktionen; CapEx-Intensity soll <15% fallen.
- U.S.-Kalkül: Baukostenannahme ~USD/CAD 1.000 pro Haushalt als Richtwert; PSP als Finanzierungspartner für Ziply.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Wireless: Nachfrage, Promotionsumfeld und Nachhaltigkeit von Preiserhöhungen; Management sieht stabilere, rationalere Promotions und erwartet ARPU-Wachstum H2 nächstes Jahr.
- Fiber-Deployment: Kostenverlauf der nächsten Ausbaukohorten und Penetrationsannahmen in den USA (Penetrationserwartung mittlere 40er-Prozentbereiche).
- Enterprise & AI: Wie aus rückläufigen Kernumsätzen 2–4% Wachstum in Enterprise werden soll; Fokus auf moderne Cloud-/AI-Angebote, Ateko (Systemintegration), Cyber und Bell AI Fabric.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: Der Talk liefert klares strategisches Scripting: Balance zwischen Bilanzreparatur und gezieltem Wachstum (Fiber, Enterprise-AI, Content). Für Aktionäre heißt das: strukturelle Risikominderung durch Deleveraging, wachstumshebel bei Ziply und Enterprise, Ergebnis hängt nun stark von Ausführung, Baukosten und Wettbewerb ab.
BCE Inc. — Q3 2025 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the BCE Q3 2025 Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Chris Summers. Please go ahead, Mr. Summers.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. With me here today are Mirko Bibic, BCE's President and CEO; and our CFO, Curtis Millen. You can find all our Q3 disclosure documents on the Investor Relations page in the BCE website, and this was posted earlier this morning.
Now before we begin, I would like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement on Slide 2, reminding you that today's slide presentation and remarks made during the call will include forward-looking information, and therefore, are subject to risks and uncertainties.
Results could differ materially. We disclaim any obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Please refer to our publicly filed documents for more details on assumptions and risks. Now with that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Mirko.
Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. Last month at our Investor Day, we unveiled an ambitious and exciting 3-year strategic plan, which positions Bell for the future.
This includes clear and transparent financial targets to drive long-term shareholder value and a refreshed brand that better reflects the full breadth of our customer segments. We also took the opportunity to introduce our investors to several members of the executive team and conducted deep dives into each of our operating businesses.
As we execute against this plan, we're leveraging our proven ability to drive efficiencies in order to generate strong, sustainable free cash flow growth and total shareholder return, and that's supported by a disciplined capital allocation strategy.
Earlier this year, I shared our intent to focus on 4 strategic priorities, all underpinned by our unique and highly differentiated assets in fiber, in wireless, in media and enterprise. And in Q3, we continue to execute diligently against all four of those strategic priorities, and you can see this in our results.
I'll start first with the customer. We have a reenergized focus on customer service, and it's really paying off. Thanks to the investments we've made, we reported a second straight quarter of significant postpaid churn reduction, and this is the direct result of customer service improvements, increased product intensity and effective real-time retention offers.
A few weeks ago, we launched new wireless plan tiers, each offering distinct value propositions. This innovative approach moves beyond traditional data bucket sizes, introducing differentiation based on network speeds and video quality, roaming and long-distance features, varying levels of device discounts and content offerings. The response from our customers has been very positive. This construct gives customers more choice and it reduces churn, all while leveraging our owner economics and content.
Our premium Bell branded postpaid wireless loadings are significantly higher than our consolidated reported postpaid net adds with Bell brand postpaid year-over-year growth exceeding 100%. This is a clear indicator of strong customer demand and the strength of the Bell brand in the market and it's completely on strategy. We're also continuing to make meaningful progress on transforming the customer experience with initiatives like the AI-powered virtual assistant that we showcased on October 14.
This as well as other AI-driven applications serves as a technological foundation for a next-gen customer experience. I'll move now to delivering the best fiber and wireless networks. As you know, for well over 100 years, Bell has built and operated the best networks in the country. And now we also have one of the best network growth engines in the U.S. with Ziply Fiber.
This was our first quarter of operating this asset and its results are reported in our new Bell CTS U.S. segment. We're very pleased that Ziply Fiber's financial results continue to exceed our original investment case. Again, as you saw on October 14, Harold and his team are engaged and excited by the tremendous opportunity ahead. With the formation of the Network FiberCo partnership now complete, Ziply is well positioned to accelerate its fiber build and expand beyond its current 4-state footprint. Construction is set to ramp through 2026.
Currently, Ziply's fiber network passes 1.4 million homes in the U.S., and we expect to reach approximately 3 million locations by the end of '28. Over time, we intend to leverage the Network FiberCo partnership to expand our U.S. fiber footprint to 8 million locations, and we'll do that in a cost-efficient manner. Including our U.S. operations, we added 65,000 net new fiber subscribers this quarter.
In Canada, fiber continues to be a key driver of multiproduct penetration through mobility and Internet and content cross-sell opportunities. We're focused on increasing the number of subscription services per household with content bundling playing a central role in that strategy.
In Q3, product intensity was up approximately 7% year-over-year, fueled by growth in content subscriptions. And as we shared at Investor Day, we plan to increase product intensity in the next 3 years by approximately 25%. So we're off to a good start. Our fiber advantage will grow with the availability of Wi-Fi 7 and Wi-Fi 7 works best on fiber. And again, it's going to improve the product intensity momentum.
Turning to wireless. The environment has stabilized, and we expect this trend to continue. Wireless service revenue and ARPU both declined by less than 0.5 percentage point, while postpaid churn improved by 15 basis points. We also recently announced a partnership with AST SpaceMobile to deliver direct-to-sell satellite service. This breakthrough technology will expand our network reach, bridging the gap between the terrestrial 4G and 5G networks and Canada's most geographically challenging areas using powerful and reliable low-band spectrum. initial launch of our service is scheduled for late 2026.
The service will include voice, video, text and broadband data capabilities using base stations owned and operated by Bell within Canadian borders, and it will be accessible with an ordinary smartphone. The partnership with AST will enhance network reliability, resiliency and security for all those choosing Bell.
Turning now to enterprise and leading with AI-powered solutions. We all know that the Canadian economy is changing, our industry is changing and technology is advancing at an unprecedented pace. The AI revolution is in full swing and it has the potential to change how we work, how we live and how we connect.
At the same time, global instability is rising and Canada and other countries are reassessing long-standing relationships that, in some cases, seem far less solid than they once were. Against this backdrop, as we've been sharing, we've reshaped our strategy, and we're well positioned for growth in this new environment.
In just the past year, we've launched the three game-changing AI-powered solutions businesses, and they're all foundational to our long-term growth strategy. And that's Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric. Each of these businesses is expected to deliver significant top line and bottom line growth as we execute against our 3-year strategic plan. I'm pleased to report that revenue from AI-powered solutions grew 34% year-over-year.
Most of that's organic growth, and it's a strong validation of our strategy. Canada is having its AI moment, and it will be distinctly sovereign. According to a recent survey by the Harris Poll commissioned by Bell, 75% of large Canadian businesses consider AI to be a strategic enterprise-wide priority with 91% of them prioritizing data sovereignty. This is where Bell holds a clear advantage.
Bell's AI fabric is precisely engineered to meet these exact needs. Our purpose-built AI data center business and the full stack AI alliance we've assembled with other Canadian tech leaders continues to have a deep pipeline of interest, and we expect to announce more growth in this space in the coming months.
The public and private sector share a fundamental role in building Canada's sovereign AI ecosystem and the renewed commitment to AI that we saw this week in Budget 2025 is an important step forward that will support adoption, strengthen the economy and help Canada compete globally. I'll turn now to the fourth strategic priority, which is building a digital media and content powerhouse. We recently introduced our new streaming bundles for Bell Mobility and Internet customers, and that features Crave, Netflix and Disney+ together all in one bundle.
Our commitment to sports content also remains strong. We announced long-term broadcast and streaming rights extensions for regional coverage of both the Montreal Canadians and the Winnipeg Jets, and that reinforces our leadership in Canadian sports media. We're also continuing to ramp our digital media capabilities.
Our long-term partnership with iHeartMedia was expanded this quarter to include Canadian representation of iHeartRadio's extensive podcast portfolio, significantly enhancing our digital audio offering.
Additionally, we entered into a strategic ad distribution partnership with Tubi, one of the largest and fastest-growing free streaming platforms in Canada. All in, these initiatives will create new opportunities for digital advertisers to reach Canadian audiences across Bell Media's audio and video platforms. So in short, we're executing with discipline, and we have momentum across all 4 of our strategic priorities.
This focused path will continue, positioning us to deliver long-term sustainable free cash flow growth and enhanced shareholder value. As shown at our Investor Day, we have a highly coordinated and energized company that's fully aligned and ready to continue to execute.
With that, I'll now turn it over to you, Curtis, for a review of our Q3 financial results.
Thank you, Mirko, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin on Slide 7 with BCE's consolidated financial results. Total revenue was up 1.3%, driven by the acquisition of Ziply Fiber completed on August 1.
Ziply Fiber's operating results are reflected in our new Bell CTS U.S. segment, while the Canadian wireless and wireline operations are reported under Bell CTS Canada. Overall top line growth was moderated by retroactive revenue adjustments at Bell Media related to contract renewals with certain Canadian TV distributors in Q3 of '24.
Adjusted EBITDA increased by 1.5%, also reflecting the contribution from Ziply Fiber. This led to a 10 basis point margin increase of 45.7%, our strongest result in more than 30 years. Excluding the contribution from Ziply Fiber and normalizing for the aforementioned retro benefit of Bell Media last year, overall BC EBITDA grew by 0.4%.
Net earnings and statutory EPS were up significantly over last year. This was largely due to the $5.2 billion gain from the sale of our minority stake in MLSE on July 1 and lower asset impairment charges compared to Q3 of last year. These noncash charges were related to Bell Media's legacy properties to reflect the ongoing digital transition of the advertising ecosystem.
Adjusted EPS was up 5.3%, supported by higher EBITDA. CapEx was down $63 million this quarter, bringing year-to-date CapEx savings to $551 million. We anticipate a year-over-year step-up in overall spending in Q4 as Ziply fiber executes its fiber build-out, consistent with our 2025 capital intensity guidance of approximately 15%. The combination of lower CapEx, higher cash from working capital, lower severance payments and the flow-through of higher EBITDA drove $171 million increase in Q3 free cash flow.
Turning to Bell CTS Canada on Slide 8. Internet revenue was up 2%, solid results showing what's striking a healthy balance between sub growth and disciplined pricing supported by fiber. Our business markets continues to build momentum with strong demand for our unique and differentiated suite of services. We saw sustained strength in AI-powered solutions, where revenue increased 34% year-over-year, driven by rapid growth at Ateko and Bell SIA.
We're excited about the opportunities ahead and remain on track to generate approximately $700 million in AI-powered solutions revenue in 2025. Wireless service revenue declined modestly by 0.4%, in line with the 0.3% decrease in Q2. When normalizing our Q2 results for the nonrecurring revenue benefit related to G7 Summit, Q3 service revenue performance showed notable improvement compared to last quarter. Wireless product revenue was up $41 million this quarter. This year-over-year increase was driven by greater sales of mobile devices.
Our EBITDA result was in line with plan with a notable 10 basis point margin increase over last year to 46.8%. This reflects our continued focus on cost management as evidenced by a 0.6% reduction in operating costs this quarter. Turning to our new Bell CTS U.S. segment, which reflects Ziply Fiber's operations for the 2-month period following the acquisition on August 1.
As a reminder to investors, Bell CTS U.S. financial results are reported under IFRS accounting standards, consistent with Bell's other operating segments. We're pleased to report a strong start, financial results tracking ahead of the expectations we set at the time of announcement.
Total revenue reached $160 million, driven by the strength of Zip's fiber-to-the-prem platform. Internet revenue grew 15% year-over-year, supported by continued expansion of Ziply fiber footprint and strong customer penetration. Bell CTS U.S. delivered $71 million in EBITDA for the period, representing a robust 44.4% margin.
This performance reflects both higher operating revenue and the benefits of Ziply Fiber's efficient cost structure and customer-centric operating model. The impact of Ziply's customer-focused model is evident in higher NPS scores and cost efficiencies. While the customer base continues to grow, customer contact rates are declining, now among the lowest in the U.S. market.
Looking ahead, with continued operational discipline and a significant growth runway, we expect strong EBITDA growth for Bell CTS U.S. over the coming years, in line with the 3-year plan presented at our Investor Day. On the subscriber front, Ziply added 9,000 net new fiber customers in August and September, underscoring the strong momentum in expanding Ziply's fiber customer base.
Notably, fiber now represents 87% of total retail Internet subscribers. Total retail Internet net adds totaled nearly 5,000 subs, which reflects competitive losses in copper areas.
Over to Bell Media on Slide 10. As projected, total revenue was down in Q3, decreasing 6.4% year-over-year. Excluding the onetime retroactive sub fee adjustment in Q3 of last year, the decline was close to 1%. Despite strong digital ad growth, both in video and out-of-home, total advertising revenue was down 11.5%, reflecting continued softness in traditional advertising demand for non-sports programming as well as the impact of the previously announced divestiture of 45 radio stations.
While Crave and sports direct-to-consumer streaming continued to grow, subscriber revenue declined by 5.2%, primarily due to the aforementioned retroactive revenue adjustments we lapped from last year. These adjustments were also a major contributor to the 6.7% decline in Bell Media's EBITDA this quarter. Excluding this onetime item, Q3 EBITDA was up 11.3% year-over-year. We're also pleased that OpEx was down 6.3%, shows you the focus we have on business transformation.
Looking ahead, despite near-term headwinds on linear advertising demand, we remain confident that Bell Media will deliver positive revenue and EBITDA growth for the full year. Our focus remains unchanged for Bell Media to consistently deliver annual revenue and EBITDA growth while contributing meaningful free cash flow to DCE.
Turning to Slide 11. Our balance sheet is very healthy with $3.6 billion of available liquidity and a sizable pension solvency surplus totaling $4.5 billion. Our net debt leverage ratio at the end of Q3 was approximately 3.8x adjusted EBITDA. This reflects the acquisition of Ziply Fiber, which closed on August 1 and was funded using the $4.2 billion in net proceeds from the MLSC sale received in early July, along with cash on hand.
In late August, Ziply Fiber's outstanding debt of $2.7 billion was redeemed, partially funded by the $2 billion public debt issuance we completed earlier in the month. I'd also highlight that BCE's nominal net debt at the end of Q3 was $40 billion, which despite the Ziply Fiber acquisition is lower than the $40.3 billion reported at the end of 2024.
Looking ahead, we remain sharply focused on reducing our leverage ratio to 3.5x by the end of '27 with a clear path towards 3.0 by 2030. We expect to reach these milestones through a combination of organic EBITDA growth, free cash flow generation and near-term monetization of noncore assets.
To conclude on Slide 12, we remain sharply focused on our 4 strategic priorities to drive growth across our key business units, alongside our company-wide transformation to enhance efficiency. With year-to-date consolidated financial results tracking in line with plan, operating momentum across the business and our consistent proven execution in a competitive marketplace, I'm reconfirming all of our financial guidance targets for 2025.
I will now turn the call back over to Chris and the operator to begin Q&A.
Thanks, Curtis. With that, we're ready to take our first question.
The first question is from Vince Valentini from TD Bank.
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Can you help us unpack the federal budget a bit? It's still not clear to me these tax breaks for accelerated depreciation. Just could some of that apply to the money you spend on typical CapEx also on the data center front, the dollar commitments from the government, do you take that as they would co-invest in facilities with you, which eases your investment burden or that they actually would be a big customer and spend more on their own needs and do that only with sovereign providers like Bell. Those would be the two main things out of the budget, if you have any comment on the tower siting and sharing fiber builds stuff to -- if you think there's any relevance there? Anything you can tell us would be helpful.
I think as a general comment, Vince, I'd say that at a macro level, the budget is certainly positive in terms of having a number of initiatives industry why I don't mean the telecom industry only, but just generally speaking, spurring more investment in the Canadian economy is a decidedly good thing.
And I think there's a lot of pro-competitive pro-investment initiatives in the budget that should be looked upon favorably. On the capital allowance initiatives, Curtis, I'm sure, will add to what I have to say, but those are always looked upon favorably because I do think they're a direct mechanism to continue to encourage companies to invest.
On the AI side of things, still a lot to unpack there, Vince. So I can't answer your questions specifically just yet until we do more unpacking. But I would say that the initiatives that are outlined in the budget, the upwards of $900 million for sovereign AI and sovereign cloud shows that this government is committed to seizing the AI moment and encouraging AI adoption. And this is where we're at.
We're at the moment in time where we need to move from AI science to industrialization at scale across the Canadian economy using Canadian tech leaders. I think that's the signal you should draw from the budget. So in that regard, it's a good thing. AI infrastructure in Canada by Canadians for Canadians.
And I think we'll be able to capitalize on that in general terms because that's a measure to increase adoption in a sovereign way. So view that as a directional positive for Bell AI Fabric. And with the sovereign AI alliance that we've put together with Bell AI Fabric and Coveo and Cohere and ThinkCon and a number of other Canadian tech leaders, we're in good shape there, and you're going to see some growth at Bell AI Fabric in the quarters to come.
I'll turn it over to Curtis to unpack some of that for you.
Vince. Just on the tax side of it, as Mirko said, it's certainly helpful. I think over the medium term, it's ultimately accelerating a tax shield and a similar proposal to what was instituted in 2018, we will see a benefit of that over time.
I wouldn't expect a benefit in '25 or '26 based on the wording where it qualifies once the budget is actually enacted and given timing of spend, but '27, '28, we would expect a benefit.
I guess you can't quantify that, Curtis, even in ballpark terms?
No, not yet. We've got to work through that, but we'll get back to you with more details when they happen.
Our next question is from Drew McReynolds from RBC.
Just on the, I guess, Internet competitive landscape. Obviously, a lot of focus continues to be on the TPIA regime. So just Mirko or Curtis, can you just provide an update on how you think the competitive environment is evolving here in Eastern Canada?
And maybe an update on whether you started out West with some of your initiatives you've highlighted at your Investor Day. And then just a quick second one on Northwest Hell. Is there an update just in terms of potential timing of getting that deal across the line?
Thanks, Drew. I'll take those. So on -- let's start first with Internet out in the East. I'll emphasize or reinforce what we shared on October 14. So our specific plans, really our approach is going to be twofold. But in the East, number one, it's protect Bell's retail position, and we're going to execute on the integrated strategy that we outlined on October 14, and I summarized today.
And ultimately, our view is that fiber resellers will, on balance, take more share from cable. And so we'll be able to continue to improve our position on the retail side on the Bell brand, while at the same time, driving higher fiber network penetration in the East and typically what happens. And in the West -- so number two, in the West, our focus is going to be, again, as I said on October 14, as Blaik said, I think we're going to protect our mobility base first and foremost. -- and by offering more services in a disciplined way. So it's leaning in on the wireless tiers, using our distribution strength out West, then layering in no set-top box 5 TV or streaming content bundles or both to grow wireless sales out West and lower churn.
And when it's necessary, especially for our highest value customers, we plan to resell fiber Internet. So all in, we'll be more competitive in the West. We have a trial right now, Drew, in Kelowna, and we expect to have a full launch of fiber resell out West in January. But we're going to do all this in a very disciplined way. I think that's an important point to call out.
On Northwestel, the purchasers are still working with the federal government to secure funding. And so we remain actively engaged to close that transaction. It looks like it will more likely be in 2026. But I think given the amount of time this has taken, it's worth saying the following, very important. We want to close the deal for sure. But we're also happy to operate Northwestel and to serve residents in the North. It's a good, healthy, strong asset.
And look, lose or not close, it has a minimal impact on deleveraging. So we weren't disposing of -- trying to dispose of Northwest Tell because of deleveraging. It was for altogether different reasons. Happy to close, but that's what we're still working on doing. That's priority #1.
Our next question is from Jerome Dubreuil from Desjardins Securities.
First one, a very helpful Investor Day a couple of weeks ago. One of the comments we've been receiving is some investors were expecting to see some margin growth down the road. We don't necessarily have a problem with that given the mix shift. I don't know if you can share, but do you expect margin growth on the Canadian telecom business between 2026 and 2028?
Yes. Jerome, it's Curtis. So yes, at Investor Day, we did talk about 25% to 28% revenue, 2% to 4% growth, EBITDA, 2% to 3% growth. So at the high end of revenue, are you looking at margin compression? But ultimately here, what we also announced at Investor Day was our continued focus on operating cost reduction.
So $1.5 billion of cost savings and frankly, more thereafter as we continue to leverage technology and our internal digital transformation. So I think you're going to continue to see a focus on cost containment. As you mentioned, I know your question was Canada specific. Ziply, as we accelerate our footprint with the PSP partnership, those margins will decline over time, but still at a very 44.4% margin starting point for Ziply. So pretty healthy margins all around. Ultimately, in the range of flat margins is more what I would say.
Okay. And on the AI fabric, I would like to maybe dive a bit more into the timing of the impact on your results. So maybe if you can reiterate the level of investment there, the expected financials and returns and the timing of flow-through in earnings.
Yes. So we have -- I'll start and then Chris maybe add what's appropriate. We gave -- we were pretty transparent as to what the growth targets are that we expect on October 14. And what those are based on from an AI fabric perspective is monetizing 73 megawatts of power.
And so the ambition is greater than that, but just I would say that it's more of a conservative growth projection that we gave at Investor Day since it's only about monetizing 73 megawatts, and that's expected to drive $100 million to $150 million of annual EBITDA. So a very solid business, a very strong pipeline of demand. And as I said in my opening remarks, expect to see some announcements in the coming weeks and months that just shows how we're activating the sovereign AI alliance that we've put together.
So very, very positive there. And again, I will reiterate, we said it a couple of times, but it is worth mentioning. So we have 34% year-over-year revenue growth in Q3 in the AI-powered solutions business. The vast majority of that growth is organic, and all of it is at Ateko and Bell Cyber. And in Q3, none of it is Bell AI Fabric. You saw the benefits of AI Fabric in Q2. So there were no new announcements in Q3, and AI Fabric will see some growth, as I said, in the coming weeks and months. So we're really excited about that growth vector.
Our next question is from Maher Yaghi from Scotiabank.
So Mirko, I speak with a few U.S. domiciled data centers with subsidiaries in Canada. And I mean, the view is that whatever they're offering in Canada is sovereign. The reason I'm saying this is, do you think the government is going to formalize what is considered to be sovereign AI to make it very clear to enterprise in Canada what constitutes sovereign AI and what does not constitute sovereign AI because it's kind of like what she said, he said type of thing right now in the marketplace.
Yes. So thanks for that, Meyer. I'll answer it in 2 parts. So there needs to be a very clear understanding and definition of what sovereignty means. And sovereignty isn't just about having a data center located in Canada. That doesn't -- that's not sovereignty.
Sovereignty is a multifaceted thing. It's who has where the data is located, how data moves, who has control over the data, who has control over the action, which is the compute and who has control over the governance, which is who can access everything and who has access to the keys to the technology.
So it's action, movement, storage, governance. So that's one part. The second part is I'd encourage everyone to just take a look at some of the -- and there are a number of them, but some of the federal government ITQs and RFIs that are out there. And you'll see some pretty hard notions of what sovereignty means in some of those technology ITQs and RFIs.
So you really do need to be sovereign Canadian all the way through in order to qualify for some of the requirements that the federal government has. And in the case of Bell AI Fabric, what we can guarantee to our customers is their data will stay in Canada. And if the data needs to move, whether or not it's from St. John's to Vancouver points in between, it always stays in Canada. We have a definitive advantage in that regard.
I hear you. And the reason I'm asking this question is I have looked at the RFIs that the government has put out, and they have their definition. But how can that permeate into the enterprise market? Because -- I mean, I agree that getting a contract from the government is going to be probably -- their definition of what constitutes sovereign AI is probably the highest level of conservatism, let's say.
But what about the general enterprise, the Canadian enterprise market where so far, it seems like it's still -- it's true. It's not clear what constitutes sovereign AI. So do we need like some form of formal definition by a government agency to kickstart this new era of sovereign AI in Canada? Or do you think it might -- it will happen without some formal regulation?
I think it will happen without formal regulation. Just the market will speak there. And if the enterprise market in this space will be like it is in all the other enterprise vectors we operate in. I think our customers are going to rely on the providers that they trust, that they have deep relationships with. And I think there's going to be a preference for Canadian.
And that's with or without kind of the geopolitical concerns that permeate today. I think the geopolitical concerns just actually further help market demand being tilted towards Canadian providers. So if you take a step back, in the case of -- in our case, we have the deepest enterprise relationships.
We have the most long-standing enterprise relationships. We are speaking to our enterprise customers on AI-powered solutions, growth vectors at the same time as we're talking to them about the core business relationships that we've had for a long time. So as they seek to lean into AI workloads, we're in good shape in terms of having the infrastructure ready now.
And a key advantage in AI is time to power and time to compute, and we can deliver that. we can deliver data centers that are connected to the very best networks, all located in Canada from a company they trust and has provided reliable service to them for, in some cases, for over 100 years. So on the enterprise side, I think at this point in time, we're just going to rely on our unique market advantages.
Okay. And maybe just my follow-up question on wireless. You mentioned something interesting in your prepared remarks related to the amount of postpaid subscribers you loaded on the Bell brand. So I'm happy to see how you guys are pivoting your offering, making less emphasis on data buckets and more on quality and content and value-add services in wireless.
Can you maybe just dig a little bit deeper into what happened in Q3 as you made that pivot? Because when you look at the numbers from a big picture point of view, we see a lot more prepaid and postpaid loading this quarter versus last year. And so I'm trying just to make sure to understand what you meant by in your prepared remarks.
Yes. Okay. No, thank you for the question, Meyer. So our focus -- the first principle is that our focus remains on the financials. And what we're trying to do is balance subscriber loadings and the economics of those loadings. And I think you can see it in the financial results, whether or not it's service revenue and ARPU and obviously, the massive churn improvement.
Overall, you can see it also in our product intensity gains. And there's a whole long list of factors that have improved significantly. But on the postpaid wireless numbers, the consolidated number you see there, if you unpack those numbers, the Bell brand postpaid net adds are -- I don't want to give the number, but they're very, very large.
And so what that means is it's the flanker brand net adds that have declined so that you end up with the consolidated number in front of you of 12,000. But the Bell brand postpaid is a very big number. And so it's on strategy. The strategy is focus on the financials, focus on the Bell brand, focus on multiproduct offerings. And then underneath that, there's the new wireless tier plans, which I think are going to drive good subscriber numbers in the quarters ahead and certainly strong churn and financial numbers.
Our next question is from Stephanie Price from CIBC World Markets.
Hoping you can give us a bit of further color on the U.S. Internet environment now that you've had a full quarter of Ziply. Are there any changes to your thoughts on the pace of the U.S. fiber rollout here?
No, it's -- everything is on track, as Harold outlined in detail on October 14. So we're very pleased with Ziply's performance. And we're looking forward to continued growth. I mean the key thing is that it continues to perform ahead of our investment case. And the key thing is as we ramp the build in 2026, that's just going to lead to better subscriber revenue and EBITDA growth.
Okay. And then a follow-up for Curtis. Just on free cash flow growth. It was very solid in the quarter and year-to-date. The full year guide is obviously maintained. Hoping you can talk about the puts and takes here as to get to the bottom and the top of the full year range for free cash flow.
Yes. Stephanie, thanks for the question. So Q3 specifically was strong. There are some timing impacts, I'd just say off the top, still confident in the 6% to 11% full year. CapEx, we still expect it to be in the 15% CI for the full year. So it was a little bit lighter in Q3. Those are timing items. So we do expect Q4 to be heavier CapEx spend, which is probably what you're picking up on. So really nothing but reiteration of our full year expectations and timing in terms of CapEx and a few working cap items.
Our next question is from Sebastiano Petti from JPMorgan.
I guess just maybe following up a little bit on Jerome's question regarding the cost savings. I guess, can you update us where we're at in the $1.5 billion? Yes, I think at the Analyst Day, you talked about being halfway there. Help us maybe with the shaping of that? And maybe just remind us, Curtis, is that $1.5 billion a run rate exiting 2028?
So just some color on the shaping there would be helpful. And relatedly, as we think about the CAGRs on EBITDA, particularly understanding maybe there might be some margin compression as Ziply and PSP kind of ramp up over time.
So maybe help us think about the shaping of the consolidated EBITDA growth, I guess, over the forecast period. I mean, does it make sense that 2026 growth is maybe above trend as we kind of think about the guided range?
Thanks, Sebastiano. A few things to unpack there. In terms of margins to tie up to Jerome's earlier question and how that flows through. So I think cost savings, you're right, we're halfway through. That will continue to accelerate. So that lumpy with initiatives, but continues to increase year-over-year over year-over-year as we continue to leverage digital transformation and efficiency initiatives.
So I think you see relatively flat EBITDA margins over time. And our focus on reducing costs and driving efficiencies allows us to absorb some of the strong subscriber growth in the U.S., which includes COA, and it allows us to fund our other growth businesses like AI-powered solutions. So -- and again, those investments in the newer business, not only CapEx, it's OpEx also.
So flat margins on a percent basis, increasing margins on a dollar basis as we continue to transform the financial profile to more be heavily weighted towards future-focused products and services, while maintaining the same similar in-line EBITDA percent margin.
And then in terms of the U.S., again, 44% margin we've talked about between 40% and 45% in the U.S. So again, I think you'll see offset of efficiencies and scaling benefits in the U.S. with incremental costs and expense to drive subscriber growth as well as leveraging the PST network, which comes with a couple of incremental costs.
But ultimately, looking to drive EBITDA margin dollars while we focus on cost containment and efficiencies, but overall driving EBITDA dollars out of the U.S.
Our next question is from Tim Casey from BMO Capital Markets.
When you think about the growth in AI-powered solutions, doubling the $750 million by '28, will it be a balanced contribution between Ateko, Cyber and AI fabric? Or is one of those more likely to be an outsized contributor? And as a follow-on, at AI Fabric, do you not have to onboard the additional data centers, and I think it takes 9 months to build one.
So is there a cadence to that, that would be more back half or loaded more towards the back half of that time frame as you onboard these data centers? Or am I thinking about that incorrectly?
Thanks, Tim. So think on the unpacking the $1.5 billion as between the 3 components. I just -- if you go back to John Watson's Investor Day deck, you'll see we're expecting around $400 million from cyber, around $700 million from Ateko and around $400 million from AI fabric, and that would be your breakdown of the $1.5 billion.
And then in his slide deck, he has the annual growth rates that he's expecting for each of those three components of AI-powered solutions. And in terms of AI fabric and the time to build data centers and the like, I think I'll keep it a little bit more general.
You should expect -- I think we're expecting kind of a couple, 2, 3, let's say, launches in 2026. So it's not like we're going to be signing contracts in the first half of '26 and then you'll only get to see revenue in 2027. That will happen, but you will see some activity based on the pipeline we have in 2026 and our ability to open a few of those data centers next year.
Our next question is from Aravinda Galappatthige from Canaccord.
I just wanted to go back to the free cash flow question, Curtis. Obviously, you benefited a little bit from working capital movements. I think that's what you're referring to in terms of timing. So should we expect the sort of a more unusual or higher-than-usual working capital outflow in Q4?
And then I guess the larger question is, when I look at the '25 to '28 free cash flow projections you provided, it suggests that you still anticipate fairly meaningful working capital outflows right through that period. And I just wanted to understand a little bit more why that it needs to be consistently fairly high. Maybe I'll just start there.
Yes. Thanks for the question, Aravinda. So obviously, puts and takes within the free cash flow buckets, I can't control all of the timing on individual payments. I'd say we are continuing our focus on working capital management. So we've seen benefits in inventory. We're managing receivables and especially.
So I do think we've seen goodness there. But again, that fluctuates quarter-to-quarter. I'd just say overall free cash flow confident in our full year 2025 guidance. So no real change there. CapEx is a bigger driver of kind of and north of what Q4 was last year. So that's this year.
And then ultimately, as we talk about free cash flow, '25 to '28, there are a few things happening. One, CapEx dollars flat, but lease repayments will come down. So kind of as I think of the capital investments over time combined between what is accounted for as CapEx versus leases, that total bucket comes down over time.
I do think -- so the decrease in that combined bucket leads to payable decreases over time as well. So you don't capture all the free cash flow benefit in the same period where your CapEx comes down. But over that period, we will capture the benefit. And beyond that, ultimately, you're just normalizing your way through, right? By the time you're at 2028, there's no buildup or onetime. You're just a run rate free cash flow generating business.
Understood. And just my quick follow-up on the comments you made on the enterprise side, Mirko. As you kind of push ahead, talk to the CIOs with pushing ahead with the Ateko and Cyber, what kind of competition are you coming up against? Is it sort of the more fragmented independent players? Or is it sort of the larger established players? Do you -- to what extent do you have sort of unseat some of these existing incumbents in that area to sort of win over the sort of the IT services and cybersecurity mandates there?
Yes. Thank you for the question, Aravinda. So I'd say when it comes to the collection of the overall offering that we have in AI-powered solutions business, the full stack AI the AI platform, the integration of AI automation platforms through Ateko and Bell Cyber.
When you put all that together, frankly, we're one of one. And I'm not exaggerating. We are -- when you look at all 3 together, we are one of one. If you want to kind of look at each one discretely, there are others who provide cybersecurity solutions, but nobody who can kind of provide the integration of the Bell network security platform with the automated cloud-based AI-powered SOC that the former strategy and now the combined business is called Bell Cyber offers.
And on Ateko, there are a number of systems integrators out there. We all know their names. But what stands Ateko apart are many things, but two in particular that I would call out. One is we are very focused. And I've talked about this before. We have a clear lane of verticals where we're targeting. And we are hyper focused on AI and the hyperscale platforms, whether or not it's ServiceNow, Salesforce or the three hyperscalers.
So we provide the benefit of a really focused expertise. And then the other thing that stands Ateko apart from anyone else is we are both an operator and an integrator. So Ateko does for our third-party customers, what it does for Bell. So we can offer the real experience of having done it for an operator. So we know the use cases that work, where you're wasting your time as a customer.
And I think that's a value add that the classic SIs don't provide. So I'll leave it there. But you see it in the growth numbers. I mean we only started this in 2023 with Ateko. And since then, even this year, like we rebranded Ateko, we launched Bell Cyber, and we've launched on May 29 of this year, AI fabric, and it's pretty strong growth in its own right.
Our next question is from Batya Levi from UBS.
Question on the wireless side. Looking at your postpaid wireless base, is it possible to get a rough mix of what the Bell branded subs make? And as that mix grows, I think can we expect wireless ARPU returning back to growth? And I believe the new MVNO also contributed in the quarter. Is it possible to quantify that?
Yes. So the network revenue from a wholesale relationship on wireless is frankly immaterial. It's not a big number. So it wasn't a big component of kind of call it, the ARPU stability, if you want, because there's a slight decline there.
On the Bell brand postpaid loading, let's leave it at this, like there's -- the postpaid loadings consolidated are 11,500, close to 12,000. The Bell brand postpaid net adds were multiples of that. But I'm not going to unpack the actual shaping of Bell versus Virgin in that mix. And the prepaid loadings are quite strong. You see them there, and that's all Lucky Mobile given that at this point in time, we only offer prepaid on Lucky Mobile. Did I miss the question? I'm sorry.
ARPU. Just on ARPU. So I think overall, we're pleased with the trajectory we're seeing on ARPU as wireless pricing is firming up. So both postpaid and blended ARPU are up versus Q2 on a reported basis. And I think it's also important, so new and monthly rates are higher than the embedded base rates. So new loads are actually helping blended ARPU, which is a trend for the positive.
Our next question is from Lauren Bonham from Barclays.
You mentioned that you plan for the IST satellite service to launch in late 2026. Can you talk more about how that service will be marketed and included in the mobile plans or what sort of price points you're targeting as well as how you're thinking about size of the potential market there?
Thanks, Lauren. Look, the question is very on point. It's a little bit too early to be able to give you information on that given that we plan to launch in late 2026. So we'll come back to that at the appropriate time. But I get the question.
It's a really important one. It's just a bit too early. So with that, I think as we're running out of time, what I would -- thank you, everyone, for the time you've given us this morning. I'd say this, again, I go back to -- it's going to be a constant theme in our interactions and in our results.
We're going to always anchor back to what we said we were going to deliver for investors between now and 2028. But we're on the right track here and the stage is set for executing against '26, '27 and '28. We've improved -- the fiber net adds are growing in Canada and the U.S. We've improved fiber Internet churn. We've improved product intensity. You see some stability in ARPU.
And as Curtis just answered in response to Batya's question, we're seeing that headed to flat and positive as we head into next year. The Bell brand postpaid loadings are very strong. Ziply is better than the investment case. We didn't answer any questions on media this morning, but you can see our Crave growth is impressive.
The digital revenue is progressing exactly as we said, and the AI-powered solutions business is delivering better than we expected. And we only just got started, and we're on our way to the $1.5 billion that we projected in 2028.
So all the key parameters of growth are there and are delivering, and that's what we're going to continue to do. It's an exciting time here as we've reset Bell and the team across the board is energized. And thank you.
Thanks, everyone. Thank you.
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BCE Inc. — Q3 2025 Earnings Call
BCE Inc. — Q3 2025 Earnings Call
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: Konsolidierter Umsatz +1,3% YoY (Wachstum getrieben durch Übernahme von Ziply Fiber).
- Adj. EBITDA: +1,5% YoY; Marge 45,7% (+10 Basispunkte) — stärkstes Ergebnis in >30 Jahren.
- Adj. EPS: +5,3% YoY.
- Free Cash Flow: Q3-Anstieg um $171M; CapEx Q3 -$63M (YTD-Einsparung $551M); CapEx-Intensität 2025 ~15% erwartet.
- Ziply / Fiber: Bell CTS U.S.: Umsatz $160M, EBITDA $71M (44,4%); gesamt +65.000 Netto-Fiber‑Adds; Ziply passt 1,4M Haushalte, Ziel ~3M bis Ende 2028.
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- Strategie: Vier Prioritäten (Kunden, Netze, AI‑Lösungen, Medien) bilden 3‑Jahresplan mit klaren Finanzzielen und disziplinierter Kapitalallokation.
- Kundenerlebnis: Neue Wireless‑Tiers, KI‑Assistent und Retentionsangebote reduzieren Postpaid‑Churn; Bell‑Brand‑Postpaid‑Zuwächse deutlich über Konsolidiertzahl.
- Wachstum & Assets: Ziply übertrifft Investmentcase; Network FiberCo schafft Hebel für kosteneffizienten Ausbau (ambitioniertes Ziel: 8M U.S.-Standorte langfristig).
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Guidance: Management bestätigt alle 2025‑Finanzziele.
- AI‑Momentum: Ziel ~$700M AI‑Lösungsumsatz in 2025; langfristiges Ziel $1,5Mrd bis 2028 (Ateko, Bell Cyber, AI Fabric).
- Kapital & Hebel: 2025 CI≈15%; Netto‑Verschuldung ~3,8x aktuell mit Ziel 3,5x bis Ende 2027 und ~3,0x bis 2030; Q4 erwartet CapEx‑Anstieg wegen Ziply‑Build‑Ramp.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Sovereign AI: Nachfrage nach klarer Definition; Management betont Daten‑Standort, Governance und Zeit‑zu‑Compute als Unterscheidungsmerkmale, sieht Budget 2025 als positiv.
- Ziply & TPIA: Ziply läuft besser als geplant; West‑Resell‑Trial in Kelowna, Full‑Launch resell West geplant für Januar; Wettbewerb durch TPIA diskutiert.
- Finanzen & Kosten: $1,5Mrd Kostensenkungsprogramm ~halb erreicht; Fragen zu Margen‑Shape, Timing von Steueranreizen (Nutzen erst ab ~2027/28) und NWtel‑Verkaufstiming (wahrscheinlich 2026).
⚡ Bottom Line
BCE meldet solides operatives Quartal: starke Margen, akzeleriertes US‑Fiber‑Momentum durch Ziply und deutliches AI‑Wachstum. Guidance 2025 bestätigt; wesentliche Treiber sind Fiber‑Rollout, AI‑Monetarisierung und Kostenprogramme. Risiken bleiben bei Media‑Werbung, regulatorischen TPIA‑Entwicklungen und Timing einzelner Monetarisierungen.
BCE Inc. — Analyst/Investor Day - BCE Inc.
1. Management Discussion
Please welcome Curtis Millen, EVP and CFO. Please welcome Curtis Millen.
So they call award time promotion. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to BCE's 2025 Investor Day. My name is Krishna Sommers, Head of Investor Relations, and it's my pleasure to host you today.
To those of you here in Toronto, thank you for joining us in person and to those of you joining online, a warm welcome to you as well. Now before we get started, I do wish to acknowledge that we are joining you today from Toronto, the traditional territory of many nations, including the Mississaugas of the Credit, the [indiscernible], the [indiscernible] and the [indiscernible] Peoples to acknowledge that Toronto is covered by Treaty 13 [Audio Gap].
Today, this land remains home to many diverse First Nations, Intuit and Matte people. So thank you all for being here. I greatly appreciate your interest in BCE. And we look forward to this opportunity to update you on our business to dive deeper into our long-term strategy and highlight some of the exciting work being done by our team.
We do have a full agenda today, starting with CEO, Mirko Bibic, who will set the table and provide an overview of our strategic priorities. You will also hear from a number of our senior leaders. Following the presentations, we are going to have a Q&A session with all of today's presenters. So we do ask that you hold your questions until then. The presentations and Q&A are going to run about 3.5 hours, and this does include a short break midway through. Now I'd like to remind everyone that today's presentations will include forward-looking statements regarding [Audio Gap]. We are excited to offer you a window into into BCE's strategy, innovation and plans for the future. Now to kick things off, let's turn down the lights and set the stage with our opening video.
[Video Presentation]
And with that, I'm delighted to kick things off by introducing our CEO, Mirko Bibic, who will discuss our vision for the future and how we're positioning BCE for long-term success. Thank you again for joining us, and we hope you enjoy the day.
Good morning. Thank you for being here. Like to extend a warm welcome to the investors, analysts, journalists, members of the BCE leadership team and members of our Board who are joining us here today. Timing for this meeting could not be better, given the exciting pace COVID-19 supply chain constraints, high inflation, rising interest rates, global tariff wars reductions in immigration and advise regulatory decisions, all reshaped our operating environment.
On top of that, we saw a massive decline in wireless and Internet prices even in prices for almost everything else increased. Throughout this upheaval, we were agile and we were forward-looking. While others retreated, Bell stepped up, and we invested in Canada by expanding our fiber network and building a 5G network with incredible speed. -- seeing a surge in demand for network capacity, speed and reliability as Canadians shifted to working and learning from home, we accelerated our capital investment program. And at the same time, Bell maintained our long-standing capital markets approach, which was centered on dividend growth.
And looking back, I'm proud of many of the things that Bell's accomplished and [indiscernible] of the company. our network expansion, improvements to customer experience and effective drive for cost efficiencies, market share growth in fiber and our digital media strategy powered by Crave. Other elements were more difficult. Our cost structure while significantly improved, didn't keep pace with declining prices. Customer experience still has room to improve, and the dividend growth model became a strain on our balance sheet. But today, the world looks so very different than it did in 2020.
The Canadian economy is changing our industry is changing and technologies advancing at an unprecedented pace. AI, for example, is a generational emerging technology that will redefine how we work, how we live and how we connect -- in an effort to reshaping the company, our capital markets approach and our operating strategy. Today, we're a far more focused company positioned for growth in a new competitive and technology escape. We diversified revenue streams in higher and less regulated domains, and we have an energized management team that's ready to execute, execute and execute some more.
As we move forward, our execution will be anchored on what we've always [indiscernible] that's to advance how people connect each other and the world. connection is more important today than ever before. Demand for [indiscernible] rising at an unprecedented pace, and Bell is better positioned than any of our competitors to that growing demand.
So today, we're going to outline why and why that positions us to grow free cash flow. Our unique and differentiated set of assets -- our 4 key strategic priorities: our proven track record of driving efficiencies, strengthening the balance sheet and [indiscernible] the cost of capital. Our commitment to you is clear: deliver a total shareholder return with a sustainable dividend. So what makes Bell better than our competitors?So what makes Bell better than our competitors? We have a unique and differentiated set of assets, and this is important. They are all related to our core business, which is connection. We're an iconic and trusted brand. We have the deepest customer relationships. We have the country's largest fiber network and best 5G plus network, and that's been recognized by Ookla and GWS.
We're the trusted leader in enterprise solutions, and we've pivoted to respond to changing customer demand. And Bell Media, Canada's #1 media company, will be a consistent revenue, EBITDA and free cash flow driver. Our 4 focused strategic priorities are built on these core differentiators, and they provide material execution upside. Put the customer first, deliver the best fiber and wireless networks, lead an enterprise with AI-powered solutions and build a digital and media content powerhouse. And underpinning all of these is our company-wide transformation and continued drive for efficiencies.
And as we execute against these priorities, we expect to deliver compound annual revenue growth of 2% to 4% over a 3-year horizon, while continuing to manage the significant declines in legacy businesses. We also have a new goal to drive an additional $750 million in savings for up to $1.5 billion by 2028. We recognize that the lowest cost providers are best positioned to serve customers in dynamic markets. By increasing revenue growth, driving operating efficiencies, we expect to deliver adjusted EBITDA CAGR of 2% to 3% from 2025 to 2028. And again, we're going to do this while managing continued decline in certain high-margin legacy segments. I'll now provide a bit more detail about what we're doing to deliver on our priorities.
So number one, putting customers first. This is an area where we've historically fallen short as an industry and certainly here at Bell. And we started meaningfully tackling that challenge in 2020 because we knew we were nowhere near good enough. And we know that companies that lead in customer experience, deliver better financial outcomes. In 2019, we had the highest share of CCTS complaints among the 3 largest national carriers. And today, we have the lowest. So we've made good progress, but we're not there yet. Hadeer will be up shortly. Should be up this morning, and she'll outline how we're equipping our dedicated team members and our customers with the tools they need for better experiences.
Our second priority is to deliver the best fiber and wireless networks. Fiber is the best broadband technology available, by none we'll know it. Blaik going to be up right after me, and he's going to show you why. Needless to say, fiber will continue to fuel our growth for years to come. And when we sought out new growth opportunities, we led on Ziply Fiber, a company whose core business and whose culture aligned with ours.
Ziply will be a material growth driver for BCE. With Ziply as part of our portfolio, we can reduce our build costs and increase our fiber penetration across North America. At close, the acquisition increased our fiber footprint significantly and there is much more on the way. There's also a big upside on fiber penetration. 5 years after network deployment, that's after 5 years of tenure, Bell achieved on average here, 46% fiber penetration. That means that 46% of locations passed our customers. Ziply is an earlier tenure mix, and it currently sits at 28% and penetration across its operating footprint. So that means that there's huge potential for subscriber growth within Ziply's existing footprint. In addition to the new locations we plan to reach through our network build.
Looking ahead, we'll plan to reach up to 8 million locations in the U.S., in part thanks to network Fiber Co, our strategic partnership with PSP Investments. So working together, we'll grow our U.S. footprint at an attractive capital cost and improve our free cash flow profile all at the same time. This shows we'll drive growth in a disciplined manner aligned to our capital market strategy.
[indiscernible] is from Seattle, he's the CEO of Ziply Fiber, and he'll have a lot more to share about our U.S. fiber plan. Let's move now to Wireless.
In 2020, we didn't have a 5G network at all. And today, our 5G and 5G plus network reaches 89% of Canadians. And we have an important structural spectrum advantage as speeds and capacity demands continue to increase, and importantly, we have the most churn upside in wireless as well. Over the summer, we achieved a major milestone, in collaboration with AST Space Mobile, we completed Canada's first space-based direct-to-cell, 4G voice over LTE call broadband data transmission and video stream. This success lays the groundwork for Bell's planned rollout of space-based direct-to-cell service in 2026, and that's going to extend coverage into Canada's most challenging areas. When commercially available, this technology will enhance public safety, support remote business opportunities and keep Canadians connected wherever they may be.
Our third priority, lead in enterprise with AI-powered solutions. You'll hear more on our exciting enterprise strategy from John later. We're already Canada's top enterprise network provider. And our unique offering drives value for enterprise clients well beyond network. Through our tech -- through Ateko, our integrator of AI automation platforms. Through Bell Cyber, our cybersecurity Center of Excellence and through Bell AI fabric. Bell AI Fabric offers full stack AI solutions that allow Canadian companies to develop and control made in Canada sovereign AI systems on a scale not otherwise possible. Bell's AI service offering is multilayered, and it comprises, of course, our leading 5G and fiber networks, hardware infrastructure, including Canada's largest sovereign AI data centers, software and large language models, including through our partnership with leading Canadian AI company Cohere, and advisory tech and professional. [Audio Gap] through Ateko. The Cohere partnership is a great example of how Bell AI Fabric is at the center of Canada's tech ecosystem. We were proud to announce our strategic partnership in August. When we became Cohere's largest commercial customer embedding its North Agentic AI platform across Bell premier LLM to our enterprise customers.
Remarkably, 9 short weeks later [indiscernible] our first internal use cases. We're executing at start-up speed, and we're capitalizing on opportunities that are right in front of us. By 2028, our goal is for Ateko, Bell Cyber and Bell AI Fabric to be a $1.5 billion AI-powered solutions business, and we're almost halfway there.
Finally, on Media. Our mission is to build that digital media and content powerhouse. Bell Media is growing. In 2020, we saw where the industry was going, and we transfer to become a digital media leader. And thanks to that strategic foresight, again, we're Canada's #1 digital media company. We're targeting a 60% digital revenue mix by 2028. Sean is here as well, and he's going to walk you through what's next for Bell Media and how we will continue to deliver Canada's best content on every platform.
So earlier, I mentioned that these four strategic priorities was underpinned by our company-wide transformation, which enables us to drive efficiencies while continuing to deliver for customers. So a few examples. Our self-installs driving net savings and helping customers get connected faster. We'll begin to shut down our 3G network in 2027 and building on work already underway in the province of Manitoba. As part of the shutdown, we're offering low-cost LTE and 5G-enabled devices to customers to ease the transition like the affordable allo phone by Bell. We're phasing out copper in a smart and balanced way, and we'll save cost by upgrading to fiber, reselling salvage copper and making the most of our real estate footprint.
Our systems have grown too complex over time, as technologies evolve and as we've completed multiple acquisitions. But we've been simplifying to provide a smoother customer journey at lower cost. So think one billing system, one ordering platform and a unified customer profile. And through this process, we will eliminate hundreds of apps that add cost. So now a word on our capital market strategy, maintain a sustainable dividend policy, continue to deliver and optimize the cost of [indiscernible] through strategic partnerships.
Between now and 2028, we expect this strategy to drive free cash flow growth after lease payments at a CAGR of approximately 15%. So all of this put together our 4 strategic priorities our company-wide transformation, our significant execution upside and the most talented team in the business will fuel our goal to provide investors with a total shareholder return that balances growth and the sustainable dividend.
So in summary, here's our ambition between now and 2028, compound annual revenue growth of 2% to 4%, an additional $750 million for a total of $1.5 billion of cost savings by 2028, compound annual adjusted EBITDA growth of 2% to 3%. 3.5x leverage ratio by 2027, approximately 15% free cash flow growth after lease payments, and approximately $5 billion in dividend payments to shareholders through a sustainable and disciplined dividend strategy. We'll do this while managing the structural decline of legacy businesses that remain high margin on a per customer basis but carry significant maintenance and capital costs such as copper voice. The key -- so the key is to position Bell for the future by driving net new revenue at lower capital costs.
Now one of the best parts of this job is working with the tens of thousands of motivated team members across Bell, including those of my colleagues who you'll meet today. They're here every single day for our customers every single day. It's truly the best team in the business, all 40,000 of them. So take it from me. Team Bell is ready to seize our material execution upside, and it's rooted in what we've always done best and that's connecting people to each other, connecting businesses to their customers and connecting all Canadians latest technologies. Connection is and has always been for 145 years, the foundation of this company, and today is the perfect day to introduce our refreshed brand and our new tagline "connection is everything" and it reflects our corporate strategy. It's relevant, it's approachable, and it is designed to reflect the full breadth of our customer segments. And it's about a promise. It's to create stronger connections every day, because connections at the core of the human experience.
And let me show you how it comes to life.
[Video Presentation]
We have a very strong and seasoned leadership team. And today, you'll hear from many of them. Blaik will share more on how we are delivering the best fiber and wireless networks. Hadeer, our Chief Information Officer and first-ever Chief Customer Experience Officer, will walk you through how we're putting customers first. As I mentioned, Harold is here from Seattle and he'll outline our U.S. growth strategy. John will detail our plan to lead an enterprise with AI-powered solutions. Sean is going to share our ambition to build that digital Media and content powerhouse. Curtis, our CFO and someone you all know well, will provide our financial outlook. And we also have our Chief Technology Officer, Mark McDonald, and he'll join us later on the Q&A panel. I'm confident you'll leave here today with a deeper understanding of Bell's strategic direction and our potential. There's a lot to look forward to today, of course, and well beyond. Thank you for your time this morning.
Please welcome Blaik Kirby, Group President, Consumer and Small Business.
Good morning, everyone. I'm Blake Kirby, and I'm thrilled to be here to share our vision for Bell's Consumer and Small Business group. I've spent over 35 years in the telecom industry, starting as a technician and working my way through network engineering, marketing, sales and strategy. I've had the privilege of working both wireline and wireless, 20 years in wireline, 15 in wireless and 5 years leading both. I've been hands on through every generation of wireless, 2G to 5G and help lead the transition from copper to fiber. I also spent a decade in strategy consulting in the U.S., which gave me a broad perspective on how to drive transformation and growth.
That journey has given me a deep appreciation for the power of networks and the people who build and deliver them. And it's why I'm so excited about where we're headed. Our strategy is anchored in a single powerful ambition to deliver Canada's best fiber and wireless networks creating exceptional value for both our customers and our shareholders. Today, I'll walk you through how we're leveraging this advantage to drive sustainable growth strong financial performance and a step change in our operational excellence across our Canadian footprint. We have unique advantages, unmatched scale, vertically integrated strength and owner economics.
At Bell, we have 3 million fiber internet customers, 10.5 million wireless subscribers and 4 million TV content subscribers. A customer base unparalleled in Canada. We also have the best of the best, best networks, best distribution, best brands and owner economics and content. Bell is 1 of 3 carriers globally with overlapping fiber, wireless and media assets. This unique combination gives us a powerful competitive edge to drive convergence that others can't easily replicate.
Over the next 3 years, our goal is to drive 1% to 2% CAGR in both consumer and small business revenues and adjusted EBITDA. Growth that's primarily driven by Internet, Wireless and Content. We expect our growth revenues will scale from 70% in 2020 to 85% by 2028, putting us on a strong footing for years to come, while we continue to manage the legacy business decline. We're very excited about the years ahead as fiber, 5G and improved execution, accelerate our growth. Our ambition for 2028 is clear, and it's built on 4 key pillars that will guide our execution.
First, we will reinforce that fiber and 5G are the absolute heart of our business and our core competitive advantage. Second, I'll demonstrate how our investment in fiber is the engine that drives outperformance across both Internet and wireless. And third, we'll unpack the significant execution upside we have in our operations. And fourth, we'll detail our go-to-market transformation, unlocking further efficiencies and growth.
At the core of our investment thesis is that connection is everything, and the fundamental superiority of our fiber and 5G networks will deliver on those needs. This isn't about having the best technology today. It's about owning the essential platform for future innovation growth and the profitability for the foreseeable future. Content demand and AI growth drive the need for speed and reliability that only fiber and 5G can deliver. We see insatiable appetite for data. Consumers want access to rich content anytime, anywhere on any device and business adoption of AI will grow, driving an explosion in compute and data needs. This digital era demands fast, reliable, secure, seamless networks.
In short, the world is moving to ultra connectivity. Only fiber broadband and 5G wireless can best meet these customer needs. Our strategy is simple: to deliver superior customer benefits with fiber and 5G. Bell's fiber and 5G delivers unmatched performance. Fiber gives customers the best Internet experience at home, and it delivers the fastest 5G mobile experience through our fiber-backed towers. We offer today up to 8 gigabit symmetrical fiber Internet speeds and 5G plus wireless speeds up to 4 gigabits per second. Our new WiFi-7 Hubs support up to 19 gigabits Wi-Fi throughput in-home, truly next-level connectivity. Fiber is much better than cable. When you compare the technologies head-to-head, the advantages of fiber are undeniable. We offer faster speeds, dedicated high bandwidth and symmetrical speeds. From an operational standpoint, our network is more reliable with a lower cost structure.
Cable is 7.5x more expensive on energy and requires 1.8x more truck rolls. We are investing in the technology for the next 100 years, while our competitors are burdened with a legacy platform that will require a full costly upgrade to fiber just to catch up. And most importantly, 82% of Canadians recognize fiber as the leading internet technology. On Wireless, we have an important structural advantage as speeds increase 100-fold our significant spectrum advantage over our largest competitors with 2x more mid-band spectrum will deliver the fastest and most reliable 5G plus network. We're positioned to win in the multi-era.
Now our second pillar. Fiber drives outperformance for both Internet and Wireless. It is the key that unlocks market share gains and higher profitability across both Internet and wireless. I'll now show you the tangible metric [indiscernible] results of this strategy and the significant growth potential that remains. Our fiber investment creates a powerful growth flywheel. We have penetration upside as we see penetration more than double from 20% to 46% within 5 years in new footprints, more than 2x what we had with copper based Internet in the same area.
And despite any slowdown in new fiber rollout, a growth [indiscernible] remains with 3 million newly passed homes in the last 5 years yet to reach 36%. Fiber also yields better economics with cost to connect rates expected to reduce by 23% and cost to serve rates expected to reduce by 12% over the next 3 years. And fiber customers are happier. With higher Net Promoter Scores, the non-fiber and dramatically lower churn around 15% better for fiber versus non-fiber and 25% better for bundled fiber households. When we combine fiber Internet households with wireless and other services, these households have incredibly low churn. This combination of higher penetration better economics and greater loyalty creates a profitable and sustainable growth engine. It's no surprise, we are winning share where we have fiber.
Our fiber footprint leads in the Canadian market with more than 2x locations passed versus our next leading competitor. Over time, expect us to deliver 50% plus market share in our fiber footprint and obviously, the largest base of fiber Internet households in Canada. Where we have fiber, we have 39% of households with both mobile and Internet compared to 18% in non-fiber footprint. We expect this to grow to 50% over time. Simple math, get 50% market share where we have fiber and penetrate 50% with mobile. We have higher household revenues and household lifetime values where we have fiber. We believe we can drive higher product intensity, and we plan to increase our product intensity in the next 3 years by 25%. We expect this increase in subscription services per household will be driven by mobile and Internet cross-sell and through the expansion of streaming and content sales, directly leveraging our distribution billing and household relationships.
Higher subscriptions and lower churn will drive much higher cash lifetime value from an average of 6,000 to over 10,000 for a fully penetrated household. The opportunity ahead is exciting. With a base of 2.2 million customers who only take Internet or mobility from us, it represents a significant low-cost cross-sell opportunity. Fiber has enabled significant growth. As we grew our footprint, our subscriber growth across fiber Internet, wireless TV and content is forecast to grow from 14 million in 2020 to nearly 20 million by 2028. While traditional TV is declining, demand for content continues to grow, and we see significant growth in Bell Media direct-to-consumer content bundles. Households with both Internet and mobile are expected to rise from 1.2 million in 2020 to 2.1 million by 2028. We believe this growth in convergence will be driven by fiber Internet penetration and cross-sell execution.
Moving to our third pillar. Beyond our network advantage, we have significant upside potential. By delivering better experiences, which Hadeer will discuss improving our execution and furthering our leadership with new products and services that our customers want. We have made churn reduction an area of focus, and we have significant churn upside. Our targets are to reduce both postpaid wireless and converged household churn by 30 basis points by 2028. We plan to achieve this through focused initiatives, driving higher product intensity, using AI-driven models to proactively identify at-risk customers improving upgrade programs in wireless and elevating customer service to boost NPS. You've seen material improvements with more to come. This is an upside that others don't have. Customers want fast and reliable WiFi and WiFi 7 on fiber will be the best WiFi experience they can get.
Only fiber will unleash the full potential of WiFi. Our recently launched new GigaHub 2.0 is a game changer, delivering speeds 10x faster than WiFi 5. And since 85% of smartphone usage happens over WiFi. Mobility customers on Bell Internet will experience the fastest and most reliable Internet speeds. Customers want their Internet always on, like electricity or water. We are redefining reliability with our unbreakable Internet proposition. Unbreakable Internet, launching in spring 2026 combines 2 key advantages that cable can't replicate. First, our fiber network remains on during power outages, a structural advantage over cable.
Second, our GigaHubs include seamless wireless mobile backup using our 5G network enabled by a customer's [indiscernible] smartphone. The combination of passively powered fiber plus mobile backup makes Bell's Internet ultra resilient. Clients get peace of mind that they are connected when they need it most. We believe unbreakable Internet will be a compelling service benefit to have your mobility and Internet from Bell. Content consumption continues to grow. Customers want flexibility on where and how they watch TV. Increasingly, Bell TV is watched as an app similar to streaming services. Customers don't want dedicated set-top boxes anymore. We are leading the future of TV by eliminating the set-top box and delivering a full streaming experience on apps, on devices customers already own. This app-based approach is uniquely flexible and customer-focused meeting customers where they are on Apple TV, Google TV, Samsung, LG and other leading TV brands.
From a business perspective, this model is highly scalable, cost-efficient and simplifies the customer experience, giving us another structural advantage over cable's closed set-top box-centric business model. Putting all these things together gives us product intensity upside. We plan to do this by bundling Crave with our TSN and RDS streaming services, and with partners like Disney+ and Netflix. And we will further expand by integrating high-value third-party services for AI, gaming and security. Customers benefit with bundled discounts and the convenience of one bill and can sign up in any channel. We then benefit from additional Crave and TSN penetration and lower overall household churn. Our owner economics, scale and strength enabled through Bell Media provides a platform for growth that no competitor can replicate.
Finally, our fourth pillar, is the continuing transformation of our go-to-market to become simpler, more agile and more efficient. Canada is a small market with too many brands. We will be streamlining our brand portfolio to be similar to other mature telecom markets, where most operate with one main converged brand. Going forward, Bell, will be our only brand for superior mobile and Internet and content bundling and driving product intensity. In January, we will be stopped selling Virgin Internet in Ontario. We anticipate substantial operational savings from realigning our brands, higher product intensity and lower churn. We also see an opportunity by simplifying our offers and connectivity value proposition. We already have unlimited Internet plans and drive a 70% plus mix on gigabit-plus speeds.
For Wireless, similar to the U.S. We will differentiate mobility rate plan tiers based on class of service, content and handset financing. Recently, we launched our tiered plan construct, which we believe will be accretive to ARPU. We have the best distribution network in Canada with over 4,200 exclusive and semi-exclusive retail locations, giving us unmatched market reach with over 3x more exclusive and semi-exclusive locations than our competitors, we have a significant advantage. We also see a major opportunity to improve our cost structure by shifting more transactions to digital channels. Our goal is to more than double our digital mix by 2028, leading to significant cost savings and a better customer experience. The combination of top-tier exclusive distribution and scaled up digital gives us the best of both worlds to drive sales leadership and also delivers an expected $180 million cash savings over 3 years.
Regarding the implications of the recent Internet access decision, our approach is twofold. First, protect Bell's retail position in the East, executing on the integrated strategy I described today. Ultimately, we believe fiber resellers will on balance, take more share from cable, driving higher fiber penetration for us in the East as typically seen when this happens. And two, our focus in the West will be to protect our mobility base by offering more services in a disciplined way. We will offer these wireless customers no set-top box TV and/or streaming content bundles to grow wireless sales and lower churn. And where necessary for the highest value customers, we will resell fiber Internet. Being more competitive in the West will significantly improve customer consideration of Bell, particularly for wireless.
We will be launching Fiber Internet in BC and Alberta in November. With a strong focus on cross-sell and mobility and Internet content bundling nationally, we expect this to translate to continued strong retail market share and overall better network penetration in the East and gains in wireless performance in the West.
Now to conclude, a word on our financial ambitions. By executing on our four pillars, and delivering the best connectivity for consumers with our superior 5G and wireless networks, sort of 5G and fiber networks, we expect to deliver steady financial growth and strengthened our market leadership in consumer and SMB. We believe this strategy will drive growth in subscribers revenue and cash flow while enhancing profitability. Our financial ambition is to achieve 1% to 2% CAGR in consumer and small business revenues over the next 3 years driven primarily by 4% to 5% CAGR in our growth services. We also expect 1% to 2% CAGR in adjusted EBITDA over the same period. I'm excited about Bell's leadership on two fronts.
First, the combined power of our Pure Fiber and 5G networks is delivering faster speeds, better reliability and lower latency. Exactly what Canadians need in this era of AI and streaming. And second, as we move beyond traditional TV, we're leveraging our ownership of Crave with partnerships with top platforms to offer flexible, affordable streaming options that deliver the content people want, when and where they want it. Our leadership in these two areas will position Bell to better serve our customers while creating long-term value. Thank you.
Please welcome Hadeer Hassaan, EVP, Chief Information and Customer Experience Officer.
Hi, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here today to share with you how we are transforming customer experience, a critical part of our business. I'm the first named Chief Customer Experience Officer and Canadian Telecom. I'm also the Chief Information Officer. This dual role is by design. It gives me a unique opportunity to align strategy, execution and outcomes. It's about orchestrating people and technology to create simple, seamless and intuitive customer experiences. Mirko and Blaik spoke about Bell's world-class networks and our differentiated assets.
But what's really important is how our customers experience those assets every single day. I want to start by acknowledging that telecommunication companies can do better in customer service, and we are no exception. At Bell, we've prided ourselves on delivering a superior network, but our internal complexity built up over years of legacy systems and multiple acquisitions, has made it harder for customers to do business with us. That is changing. Today, I will share how we are making customer experience a competitive advantage for Bell.
I'll start with why customer experience matters. Our ambition to truly redefine customer engagement, the solid foundation we've already built. How we'll deliver on our ambition through people, AI and our technology platforms; and finally, the upside ahead. Delivering the positive customer experience matters, companies that lead in customer experience consistently deliver superior financial outcomes. The difference is striking. A [indiscernible] study shows that over a 10-year period, NPS leaders achieved over 3x higher total shareholder value, nearly double the revenue growth and 5x growth in operating income. Investing in customer experience creates internal engagement, strengthens customer relationships, drives loyalty and repeat business and fuels profitability. It's a core driver of shareholder value.
At Bell, we have over 240 million direct interactions every year. That reach gives us something incredibly powerful. We know our customers, and we have a real-time pulse on our business. Each of those moments is a chance to delight our customers, make it easier to do business with us and deliver hyper-personalized experiences, which means services and experiences that truly match our customers' needs, like higher-speed Internet that matches your utilization or an ultra plan for the frequent traveler or the right content bundle. And here's what's equally important, easy, friction-free experiences also cost less to deliver. Every great interaction doesn't just build loyalty. It drives efficiency.
At the heart of our ambition, a customer-first commitment, a self principles that we apply to every interaction with the objective to make it easier for customers to do business with Bell. It's entered in four guiding promises. Faster interactions without friction, from sales to appointments, billing or upgrades we follow through. Every journey from on-boarding to troubleshooting is simple and seamless and customers get a consistent, connected experience online, in-store or over the phone. Our vision for 2028 is ambitious, and it's grounded in people powered by data and disciplined delivery, something we do very well about. We'll design experiences that leverage technology to enable our teams and customers, the outcome is clear. More engaged employees happier customers with a higher lifetime value and lower cost to serve.
Customer experience isn't a marketing slogan. We will deliver measurable business outcomes. As Blaik shared, we are focused on higher NPS and lower churn across the base. We are targeting 25% higher product intensity leading to a higher lifetime value all while unlocking over $100 million in operational cost efficiencies per year. Accomplishing these targets starts with happy customers. Since 2020, we've made bold moves to fundamentally reshape our organization. Through our laser focus on customer experience, we've delivered measurable meaningful improvements. In 2019, Bell had the highest share of CCTS complaints in the industry. Since then, we've reduced complaints per 10,000 subs by more than half.
Today, Bell has the lowest complaint rate among the 3 largest national carriers, through disciplined execution and uneven commitment to put the customers first. In addition, we prioritized delivering the best possible self-serve digital experience for customers. It's easy, fast and convenient. We introduced self-install, a program that lets customers set up their services in less than 15 minutes, no technician required. Customers prefer its convenience and it's generating significant net savings. We designed a self-serve app that our customers love the MyBell app has received more than 50 industry recognitions since 2022. And we've transformed our billing experience with a personalized interactive e-bill, making it easier for customers to understand their charges at a glance.
By beginning our AI journey well ahead of the curve. We've cultivated a [indiscernible] dual advantage, a foundation of high-quality structured data and an expert team that thinks AI first, the two core enablers for AI success. Today, AI is changing how we serve customers and improving agent effectiveness already leading to measurable results. Our AI-powered virtual repair, it's a tool developed in-house in 2022. It has already eliminated over 1 million technical support calls. With our virtual assistant, we can better understand customer intent, provide answers quickly, direct them to self-serve or find them the right agent. It's not an out-of-the-box chat bot. Rather, our virtual assistant is at the forefront of global deployment and it works.
AI Ops for network monitoring. Detects 99% of site incidents in under 15 minutes and speeds root cause analysis by 80%. It leads to fewer outages, faster fixes and happier customers. We've come a long way in self-install, in digital channel share in call and [indiscernible], and we are just getting started. I'm even more excited about what's next. Our foundation is strong. And now we get to accelerate. Let me show you a glimpse of the future and what we have in store for our customers. I would like to introduce you to Isabel.
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Strategy is simple. First, we empower our teams with AI super powers. This means giving our dedicated people the tools they need to focus on what matters most, delivering an exceptional customer experience. For example, on a customer calls, our agents screen is instantly populated with real-time insights and AI-driven diagnostics they can skip the basic questions and get right into providing a solution, turning a long corn into quick, effective resolution that adds value to our customers. Second, we personalize the experience, focusing on what matters most to each customer and adds real value. And third, for customers who want immediate answers, we provide a powerful 24/7 self-serve options across any channel, giving them complete control and convenience.
To make this vision a reality, we are combining data, AI and the right strategic partnerships with global leaders like Google, ServiceNow, Salesforce and Cohere, allowing us to move faster, innovate smarter and leapfrog traditional approaches. In addition, our approach is different. Many companies, they focus on individual use cases. Find one area like chat or a billing use case and make it better with AI. This is a start. But for these two skills, you would need to develop 1 million individual use cases. It's slow and results are limited. We are building technology services as platforms. with embedded AI at the core. Every customer touch point benefits from AI natively, not as a bolt-on. Instead of launching a small project, every time we want to add intelligence, our teams can now configure new capabilities in just a few clicks. AI is part of the fabric of how we operate.
The result immediate scalable impact across millions of interactions, but most importantly, happy customers with seamless experiences. Our mission-focused platforms will make a real difference for our customers and for Bell. Let me give you a few examples. Our Bell Virtual Assistant will allow us to serve customers 24/7 in their language of choice. This is an ongoing lighthouse project with Google with many world first releases. I'll share with you a demo at the end to show some of its potential in action. With agentic AI, customers will be able to manage their services across voice, chat, web and app seamlessly. What's more, the same AI agents will be available to our frontline teams to make their job easier and enable a better, more informed experience to our customers. We build once and deliver value everywhere with minimal incremental cost.
We are developing a promise engine with ServiceNow and in partnership with Bell's very own Ateko to help solve complex service scenarios, previously managed across multiple legacy systems. For instance, a technician runs into a safety issue during an installation like a tree needs to be trimmed before continuing the work. We've historically struggle to keep customers informed of the status. With ServiceNow promise engine, we identify every commitment need, verify it and critically keep the customer updated throughout until the promise is fulfilled. The result informed happy customers.
In partnership with Salesforce, our customer journey platform bridges marketing, ordering and service, all linked into a dynamic AI-powered conversation tailored to each customer's needs. The result added customer value, timely communication throughout the customer journey happy customers. Our targets are clear: to turn every interaction into measurable positive impact for customers and for Bell. To achieve higher NPS and lower churn, higher product intensity higher lifetime value over $100 million of operational savings. But most importantly, happy customers that value their bell experience. Thank you for your time today. I am incredibly excited about the opportunity to empower our customers through exceptional experiences.
Our telecommunication solutions are more than just services. They enable people to make the connections that matter. I will leave you now with [indiscernible]. [ Nathalie ] is the VP of Strategy and Shared Services. She will give you a closer look at our Bell Virtual Assistant, next-gen AI technology that enables us to better support customers in their channel of choice. Welcome, Nathalie.
Thanks. Our virtual assistant is transforming customer experience by enabling conversational self-serve support 24/7. We've already deployed core VA functionality across our chat ecosystem. And now we're extending this experience to our voice cues. Lucky Mobile rollout is complete. Virgin Plus is underway, and Bell will follow later this month.
This AI-powered platform immediately replaces our legacy IVR, but more than that, it serves as the technological foundation for next-gen customer service. From here, we'll continue to innovate, optimizing the experience and scaling new use cases to maximize ongoing business value. Today, I'm excited to showcase our BA experience. The functionalities we'll discuss are either in production or are included in our 2026, 2027 program road map. In our first scenario, RVA leverages generative AI to answer customer inquiries and find a solution that meets their needs. So let's get started.
I just received my bill, and it's higher than what I usually pay. Can you please explain why?
I can help you with that. To authenticate. Can you please click on the link to log into MyBell?
Okay.
Thank you. I took a look at your current invoice and it is $20 higher than last month due to roaming charges you incurred on September 4 to September 8 in Mexico. I hope you had a great time there.
All right. I forgot I used my phone while I was traveling. Yes, Mexico was great.
I'm glad to hear that. Do you travel to Mexico often, you are eligible to upgrade to the Ultra Canada and International plan for $10 more per month, this plan includes unlimited data, calling and texting in Canada and internationally.
That sounds interesting. I'm visiting my family in Mexico next week. Can I upgrade the other line on my account to that offer to you? My husband also travels a lot.
This is a special offer for your line, but let me see what I can do. Do you mind if I put you on a brief hold?
Sure. No problem.
Okay, I have sent the request to my manager. Please wait a moment while I get their response.
In this scenario, the VA consults a human agent for approval to apply the targeted offer on both lines of the account. Let's go behind the scenes to demonstrate what that looks like.
First, the VA initiates a chat, outlining the situation and providing rationale to justify its recommendation. The live agent then reviews this information and provides direction. So in this case, the VA highlights the customer's long-standing loyalty and the agent aligned to upgrade both lines of the account to the Ultra Canada International plan.
All right. I spoke to my manager and given your loyalty, I'm able to upgrade both lines on the account. Would you like to proceed with these changes?
Thanks. I appreciate that. Yes, please add it to my account.
Okay. Great. I've added it to your account. You will receive a confirmation e-mail with all the planned details.
Thanks. That was pretty easy.
That's great to hear. Thanks for choosing Bell and enjoy your trip to Mexico next week.
So as you can see from the first example, our VA supports customers with inquiries, and we'll even call upon live agents for second level support. However, it will do much more than that. And our second example, we showcase how the VA leverages existing digital tools in this case, virtual repair, to troubleshoot technical issues and to get our customers back up and running fast. Let's give it a try.
Hi there.
I'm Bell's virtual assistant. I use artificial intelligence to learn what can I help you with today?
My Internet is not working, and I have virtual meetings all day. I'm sorry to hear that. To access your account, I need to authenticate you. I will be sending a onetime pin to your phone. Please read back the code when you receive it. A onetime pin has been sent to your phone.
It's 350920.
Thank you. I've checked for outages in your area, but there are none. However, there is an active weather alert. Let's initiate our virtual repair process. I am going to run remote diagnostics on your service.
Thank you.
Okay. I can see that the signal is not flowing to your modem. There appears to be an issue with your physical wire, which may be weather related. I will need to deploy a technician. I have someone available at 1 p.m. this afternoon, if that works for you?
I can make that work and really need service.
Okay. I've scheduled your appointment for 1:00 p.m. this afternoon. You'll see these details in the manager appointment section in MyBell Mobile. In the meantime, you can use wireless Internet backup to stay connected and attend your virtual meetings. I am sending instructions to your phone now.
That's great. Thank you.
Thank you for calling and enjoy the rest of your day.
As you can see, our VA enables us to better support customers in their channel of choice. Both of the scenarios reviewed today will be available to customers in voice and in chat and this is just the beginning. Through ongoing innovation, we will continue to improve customer experience and make it easy to do business with Bell. Thank you.
Please welcome Harold Zeitz, CEO Ziply Fiber.
Greetings from Seattle. I'm Harold Zeitz, CEO of Ziply Fiber. I'm pleased to be here today to discuss Simply Fiber and BCE's U.S. strategy for the coming years and how they directly align with Bell's priorities to deliver the best fiber network with a great customer experience. As you know, co-founded Ziply Fiber and I'm new to the BCE team. I began my career after business school at AT&T led the fiber and network design teams responsible for converting the Western 13 states to fiber. I spent 10 years after that at McCaw Cellular, which became AT&T Wireless, where I ran markets across the country and then led marketing for the whole company. I spent the next decade leading technology companies delivering high transaction consumer services before I return to telecom for the most recent dozen years.
My roots in fiber and telecom are deep. The entire Ziply fiber team is excited to join the BCE family. BCE is enabling Ziply Fiber to accelerate and expand our ambition to bring fiber service and a refreshingly great experience to more people and businesses and at a faster pace than we could on our own. The opportunity in the U.S. is quite significant because nearly half of homes do not yet have fiber. I'll start with a bit of history on how we got here prior to the acquisition by BCE.
First, we assembled a team of experienced people, many of whom we knew from prior work. We needed the expertise to turn a struggling telco we purchased into a leading fiber company. We remade the network, nearly tripled fiber locations and radically improved the customer experience. Importantly, we also simplified and modernized our back office and network systems, giving us the ability and platform to scale efficiently. Three strategies drove our progress and largely the same strategies will drive the delivery of our 2028 ambition now as part of BCE. From the beginning, we architected and plan to operate the best and fastest network. It's the foundation for everything we do. And we designed our commercial-grade purpose-built for IP network to be redundant, scalable, reliable and low cost to operate.
We focus everything we do around delivering a refreshingly great customer experience. This is at the core of every decision we make, and the first thing we talk about with our team members every day. We plan to bring fiber to more places, and now we can go further and build faster with BCE and the formation of Network FiberCo, the partnership with PSP Investments. As I mentioned, our first strategy is to operate the best and fastest network in the U.S. A few key things to note that differentiate us from others. We offer speeds of up to 50 gig at every residential location, which is the fastest in America. And we architected the network in such a way to provision in such a way that everyone gets the speed they pay for at all times.
We operate the network capacity at over 8x the need based on average peak utilization. So there's never congestion. Physical fiber cuts get rerouted automatically, and the other side of the ring can more than handle the incremental traffic. The network is a 400-gig optical network, which is architected for scalability and expansion. The design also gives us full control over quality of service. We were intentional in the network design to ensure we were providing customers with a refreshingly great experience. Both consumers and businesses continue to increase their demand for bandwidth and no matter how much they need, they just want their data connection to work always.
Our second strategy is to deliver a refreshingly great experience in everything we do. every Improvement we make every system change, every department is driven by this because we believe that nobody really wants to have to contact us. In other words, the best service is no service. which is our way of saying customers should never have a need to contact us. There are three key elements to delivering on this strategy. In a world where customer expectations are driven by immediacy, we're moving towards the ability to install fiber the same day at all locations. Currently, all addresses are eligible for same-day repair and approximately 75% of fiber addresses are eligible for same-day install. We continue to increase that through our build and other methodologies. We continue to make IT enhancements to automate daily capacity adjustments to maximize both service and installation within the same day. And we find ways to modify construction such that even more installs can be done on the same day.
We live in a world that expects service today. We aim to deliver just that. We also believe simple wins, and we apply that concept to all of our tools and customer interactions to drive customer satisfaction. When we make it easy for customers and easy for our team to serve customers, everybody wins. We've made it easy to shop and buy. We continue to automate and improve our customer communications across the full Ziply experience, and we've added more self-serve capabilities to our app, all of which drive have driven significant gains in NPS. And we still think there's more term to grow, more room to grow. The labs principle that helps drive a progressing great experience is a philosophy of where there's a way there's a better way.
For example, we've developed a single platform that can deliver the same capability to customers, care agents, sales reps and field operations, which makes it easier to keep enhancing experiences and faster to roll them out. Fundamentally, we're always trying to get better every day. The result of these efforts is that while customer base continues to grow, our customer contacts are decreasing to some of the lowest in the U.S. market.
In the end, we have the belief that the best service is no service. So much as possible, we'd like our customers never to have a need to contact us. Lastly, we plan to accelerate and expand our fiber build to get to about 8 million locations over time. BCE and the PSP partnership have given us a big advantage to be able to expand beyond our original acquired footprint and to begin to build faster. We know PSP well. they were shareholders in Ziply via their private equity team, and we are excited that they continue to be engaged in the Ziply growth story this time through the infrastructure team. We will now leverage PSP and BCE Capital as well as Bell's existing network, and we can leverage our collective U.S. routes, which extend beyond the current Ziply 4-state footprint for growth and more efficient build.
Network fiber [indiscernible] will enable us to accelerate our fiber build and expand our geographic reach. We will ramp up construction over time over the next several years and continue ramping beyond 2028. Because the market is dynamic, we've identified more than 2x the locations we intend to build and we plan to build as first fiber.
Lastly, we're evaluating what I like to call Launchpad opportunities, which are small fiber ISPs that could accelerate our expansion in a particular region. All new routes will also offer growth opportunities for our commercial business. We have the right strategy, the right team and a generational opportunity to deliver long-term growth. Currently, we have about 1.4 million fiber passings. Our ambition is to more than double our fiber passings to about 3 million by the end of 2028. We continue to see rapid fiber penetration with customer additions as we turn on fiber, with about 25% penetration in just the first year and increasing penetration rates as cohorts mature. We have a number of unique assets that give me confidence in our ability to achieve the U.S. fiber growth plan.
It starts with our team. We believe happy employees make happy customers. Our team is motivated and excited by our new accelerated and expanded mission with BCE and the PSP partnership. We have a great network that's proven and has the ability to expand and scale. Once we build it, simply fiber distribution and installation teams have a proven track record of delivering strong penetration. With this team, we will continue to find better ways to simply deliver a refreshing or great experience for customers. By executing on our strategies of best network, refreshing your great experiences and accelerating and expanding the fiber build, we expect to deliver significant revenue and EBITDA growth as part of our 2028 financial ambition.
Over the next 3 years, we anticipate Ziply Fibers revenue to grow at a CAGR of 15% to 20% with an EBITDA increasing at a CAGR of 14% to 18%. We are excited about our new mission, to accelerate the fiber build in our four current states and expand the reach across the U.S., delivering the fastest and most reliable network to about 8 million people in businesses, providing a refreshingly great experience to customers. With the combined strength of BCE and the PSP partnership backing us, the Ziply team can now focus even more on executing our plan, supported by a streamlined financial structure and enhanced funding. Thank you.
Okay. Well, at this point, we are going to be taking a 20-minute break. So please take the opportunity to stretch and enjoy some refreshments. We'll see you back in the room and online in 20 minutes for the next segment of our program. Thank you.
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Welcome back, everyone. I hope you enjoyed the break. And for those of you just rejoining online, thank you for being with us. Now let's continue with our program. I am pleased to introduce John Watson, Group President, Bell Business Markets, AI Fabric and Ateko. Welcome, John to the stage.
I'm really pleased to have the opportunity to share Bell's enterprise AI strategy. Over the last 25 years as an executive officer I've experienced a success from leveraging powerful secular growth within our industry. I became the head of Bell Business Markets about 2.5 years ago, and we redefined the business going back to my start-up routes and creating a dynamic enterprise flywheel of sustainable growth by tapping into strong secular opportunities. This has been a consistent pattern for Bell, over the last 145 years.
I'm grateful to have the opportunity to share our story with you today, how Bell will lead in enterprise AI-powered solutions. We're building on strength, underpinned by the best B2B networks and unrivaled customer trust. We're growing adjacent to our core and high-growth categories that create meaningful and differentiated services that positively impact our customers' businesses. By fully leveraging the power of the best AI capabilities within Bell and for customers is a powerful flywheel of differentiated growth based on technical skills, platform expertise and strategic investments.
Our communications business is a large profitable foundation to build on. We're the market leader across all categories. We're investing in the core services and service delivery, but our primary growth engine is AI-powered solutions, where our ambition is to double revenues by 2028. Bell Cyber, Ateko and AI Fabric, our successful businesses led by innovative founders and entrepreneurs. By focusing on these high-growth areas, we're significantly expanding our market for end-to-end AI solutions, reinforcing and growing customer relationships. Legacy enterprise service offerings have been declining here in Canada and everywhere, as they're phased out and replaced with powerful new technology. New technology substitution when combined with regulatory decisions have caused low single-digit revenue and margin pressures.
But Bell's enterprise strategy for the last 10 years is not our strategy for the future. What sets us apart now is how we're pivoting from these traditional services to our next chapter of growth. We see tremendous opportunity to leverage our leading DBM platform to bring [indiscernible] Unified communications. We're the leader and are delivering the complete suite of innovative and powerful offerings, leveraging the best technology partners. The portfolio of solutions enables early AI adoption for a number of customers. Our deep technical bench knowledge is critical, along with the largest technical team to implement and manage the solutions.
Four area of focus. Contact-center-as-a-Service and contact center AI are two very high-growth areas for Bell as both a strategic operator and for Ateko, which enables these capabilities for customers. Bell has secured some of the largest contracts and is currently deploying these advanced technologies successfully at scale, leveraging the full market suite of platforms. This is really important. Many companies are struggling with the adoption of AI and the delivery of meaningful benefits. For our government and enterprise customers, modern contact center platforms and technology are one of the primary pathways to leverage AI in a meaningful way, more personalized experiences and efficient operations. Over the last 3 years, we've built expertise as the Lighthouse customer and are sharing what we've learned to help customers do the same.
Fifth area focus, mobility innovations. The essential backbone of the modern enterprise. This is about empowering our customers' most valuable asset, their people. In today's hybrid work environment, providing secure, reliable and seamless connectivity to every employee, no matter where they are is mission-critical. We're the market leader in this space, providing not just Canada's best network, but also the crucial layers of device management, and security that enterprises demand. Our growth is fueled by rapid innovation and we're excited about private network innovations, advanced 5G capabilities such as 5G slicing.
Cyber security, the second pillar of our enterprise AI-powered solutions. Our advantage scale and more threat intelligence data to power our advanced AI Cyber Solutions. Cybersecurity is a core focus in key areas of strategic investment. This is a large, fast-growing market, it creates immediate cross-sell and upsell potential across telco, cloud and managed services. Bell Cyber is unifying cyber security across the bell ecosystem, delivering a one-stop end-to-end security platform for network, cloud and endpoint. We're building a sovereign Canadian-controlled AI threat intelligence capability, and this is essential for securing our nation's critical infrastructure and helping public and private sectors reduce dependency on foreign feeds and risks.
Now moving on to the third pillar of our enterprise AI-powered solutions. We recently united four of our startups under an exciting new brand called Ateko. Founded in March 2025 in Montreal, 145 years after Bell was incorporated in the same great city known for AI innovation. We're creating the leading Canadian service integrator for automation platforms. Ateko is made in Canada success story. Specializing and helping enterprise customers maximize the value they get from 5 global leading AI platforms. Leveraging BBM scale and relationships, Ateko builds on our existing master service agreements and service delivery models. Ateko implements solutions in the most attractive, highest growth software and cloud segments. It's highly accretive to the traditional BBM portfolio and deep into the heart of our customers' operations and workflows.
We own the solution end-to-end, deliver unique outcomes powered by AI and accelerate time to value. Our technical expertise in vertical specialization leveraging Bell's platform supports exceptional growth. Focus is the key. We have capabilities across 5 growth areas: ServiceNow, Salesforce, AWS, Azure and Google Cloud.
In these specialties, we have the largest Canadian team in areas with more than 1,700 coveted technical certifications. Ateko is uniquely positioned to be the leading service integrator for AI automation platforms with sovereign requirements. The financial sector is a key vertical for Ateko, with major customer project expansion initiatives underway, with several of Canada's leading financial institutions. Ateko had proven their ability to deliver over many years. But now with the backing of Bell, they're able to exponentially increase the scale and scope of services revenues.
For example, in one key engagement, a major institution entrusted us in September to fully outsource their ServiceNow operations. This level of trust is a direct result of the comprehensive proposals which often go far beyond competitors by integrating unique assets across the bell ecosystem, including Bell Media as a powerful value multiplier. For another financial institution, we modernize the IT operations by leveraging ServiceNow's, automation and AI capabilities. This transformation is now extending to retail banking operations, significantly enhancing both productivity and customer experience.
I'd like to share with you a great example of why Bell's really well positioned to leverage the two leading enterprise software platforms within focused verticals as the leading service integrator for AI automation platforms. We work with our platform partners, in this case ServiceNow to build differentiated solutions. Bell has one of the largest field services teams in North America, and we needed to upgrade our platform to an AI-centric field solution. We secure the support of Bill McDermott, ServiceNow's CEO to invest in capabilities will enhance this platform to service the largest and most complex customers. This was done in conjunction with Bell's field team executives who also help sell this to other large companies.
Ateko [indiscernible] work to implement the platform capabilities within Bell and they're the first to help customers to do the same. Ateko sells the full stack of AI services to the world. This creates exceptional opportunities due to the leading differentiated solutions that drives incremental internal financial benefits and higher-margin external revenues for Ateko. It's a win, win, win. The fourth pillar of our enterprise AI-powered solutions. Over the last year, our customers in the private and public sectors made one thing clear. They need a Canadian company to build the large-scale AI infrastructure to support their sovereign vision. We listened, and the Bell team has taken the lead to build Bell AI Fabric, Canada's largest sovereign AI compute project. It's an amazing time.
Since announcing AI Fabric in May, we've already expanded its scope. The two leading Canadian sovereign AI companies have teamed up to bring a meaningful and differentiated AI platform solution to our customers. Bell's Ateko, Cyber, AI fabric, running on the best networks are now benefiting from Cohere's leading sovereign AI North model. Bell is Cohere's preferred and strategic partner for both government and enterprise, sovereign AI, go-to-market actions. We are really well positioned. We're also deploying Cohere internally to drive our own business outcomes while leveraging the same experts at Ateko and Bell Cyber. This strategic partnership is a game changer. It solidifies our AI leadership creates an excellent platform for customers to build upon.
Bell AI Fabric is Canada's sovereign digital spine. We're building a coast-to-coast mesh of clean powered capacity, best-in-class connectivity and a curated marketplace that loops value back into Canada. By pairing Bell's enterprise reach, cloud resale, airgap [indiscernible], cybersecurity and Ateko expertise, we have the complete and unique full-stack AI offering that is second to none. We're accelerating AI adoption across platforms with a sharp focus on cybersecurity automation, threat intelligence and advanced contact center AI where Bell is the leader.
Simply put, Bell gives customers the services they require. Sovereignty. It now impacts every area of our business from network security, cloud and AI. We made strategic announcements in each of these domains positioning Bell with the right assets at this pivotal moment. Bell is uniquely able to serve high security, top secret air gap environments, a significant opportunity aligns perfectly with our solution strategy. Our goal, we've created three start-ups in less than 2 years, delivering $0.75 billion of revenue. Our target double it over the next 3 years to $1.5 billion. This growth enhances our customer relationships. It creates differentiated value accretive opportunities, which leverages our industry-leading enterprise networks, unmatched technical bench across Telco and Ateko domains.
In the end, our strategy builds on our position as the most trusted partner while helping our customers benefit from leading AI automation solutions. Lastly, double click on the numbers. Overall, enterprise revenue is projected to grow at a positive compound annual rate of 2% to 4% with EBITDA also targeted to grow at a CAGR of 1% to 3%. This is a materially improved trajectory. And that's not just relative to the last couple of years, but the last couple of decades. It's an excellent time to build a Canadian communications and tech services champion powered by the best enterprise sovereignize solutions, fully leveraging AI across Bell and leading an AI-powered solutions, we create a growth platform built on technical expertise, platform trust and leadership.
Our ambitions are clear: AI-powered solutions revenue by 2028, enhance our customer relationships and unlock new opportunities back by our industry-leading networks. We look forward to sharing our continued success with you. Thank you very much.
Please welcome Sean Cohan, President, Bell Media.
Good morning. Happy to talk today about Bell Media. It's moved from legacy Canadian broadcaster to digital media and content powerhouse with global impact and how it's well positioned for sustainable differentiated growth for BCE today and through 2028. But first, a bit about me and what brings me here.
I'm an adopted Canadian a recovering New Yorker, a former investment banker and management consultant who spent nearly 20 years leading at 80 networks in Nielsen. So I was drawn to Canada and Bell due to Bell Media's unique portfolio of platinum assets, brands and content. I saw it as something widely misunderstood and underestimated. Now to be fair, thriving in the global media ecosystem today is no easy feat, big media players everywhere are facing challenges and an uneven trajectory.
But despite that, nearly 2 years into the journey, we've built solid momentum, and I remain just as excited by Bell Media's growth potential. Before I go on further, let's take a look at some video.
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Let's dive in. Let me start by skipping to the end of the movie. Success in Bell Media, it will be measured by a handful of straightforward metrics. Delivering single-digit compound annual growth in revenue and EBITDA, continuing to expand digital revenue to 60% of total revenues and growing Crave to 6 million paid subscribers and $1 billion in annual revenue with EBITDA margins of over 25%, all and route to even more robust free cash flow and a bigger business at Bell Media.
Now the route to get to those numbers and our 2028 POWERHOUSE ambition, well, that's about first, growing our content leadership across sports, entertainment and news, and owning the key cultural moments for Canadians across these genres. Now where folks go for that content has shifted dramatically to digital platforms. For us, it's about accelerating digital transformation with that in mind, scaling Crave streaming, driving digital ad revenue and driving synergies to and with BCE, all while yielding free cash flow growth as a low capital intensity, cash generator and an important source for BCE.
So first, let's start with our content leadership. Bell Media is the largest media and entertainment player and largest content acquirer and maker in Canada by a country mile. And Bell Media captures the largest audiences in Canada to show for it. In fact, Bell reaches 98% of Canadians each month. This audience and frenetic social media activity, well, it's driven by marquee live events, what we call events of consequence or simply cultural moments. Bell Media owns almost every important event and moment in Canada from the Super Bowl to the Oscars to the national election, from the Emmy's to F1 to Grey Cup to the 2026 FIFA Men's World Cup here in Canada. If people are talking about it, it's likely on one of our platforms.
Our iconic sports, entertainment and news brands and content, they drive more than 800 million hours of consumption by Canadians each month on screens, big and small. We have the #1 Canadian broadcaster, the #1 out-of-home player in the market, the #1 news service, the #1 sports services and the #1 domestic video streamer. So let's talk about that streamer, Crave.
A fully bilingual video service, Crave is the #1 Canadian owned streamer and has grown explosively over the last 1.5 years. And it stands apart in the market due to its beloved series and movies. The content Canada craves one might say. And it starts with HBO. Our long-term agreement with Warner Bros Discovery makes Crave the exclusive home of HBO programming for their foreseeable future, with new seasons of hits like The White Lotus, The Last Of Us, two new Game of Throne spin-offs and great library shows like Succession and Sex in the City, HBO content captures Canadian viewers' attention. The Crave service also includes content from strategic long-term agreements with Starz, with Disney, with Sony, with NBCUniversal and more.
Now alongside this great acquired fair, Bell Media creates award-winning original content as well. Today, we partner with some of the world's best creative collaborators like Fox in Lionsgate, Freemantle [indiscernible], Seth Rogen and [indiscernible] to produce shows like Late Bloomer, Empathy, Sullivan's Crossing and [indiscernible]. This content helps build the Crave brand, drive fandom and grow subscribers. Couple this with a huge library of enduring classics like Friends and The Office, and [indiscernible] competition reality shows like Love Island and there's truly something for every Canadian.
Today, Crave bods 30,000 hours of content for consumers. And by year-end, it will exceed 40,000 hours. Moving over to sports now. Our leading sports services, TSN and RDS have literally the deepest, broadest lineup of sports rights and talent in the world. We have long-term rights to virtually every sport in event. This includes the NFL and Super Bowl, the Men's World Cup, F1, Masters, PGA, CFL and Grey Cup, the Tennis Grand Slams, basketball, regional hockey, iconic teams like the [indiscernible] which we just renewed, plus the biggest portfolio of women's sports in the market. Consequently, we've had the largest reach of any sports service in Canada, 17 million Canadians monthly. It's an amazing schedule, whichever season you look at. The Raptors, The Bills, The Hab, The Grey Cup, PBHL, Super Bowl and so on, all peaking with FIFA Men's World Cup in Canada next year -- next summer.
Live sports is without a doubt, the last bastion of appointment viewing left in entertainment. A great example of this is the Super Bowl, where 17 million viewers tuned in last February. Not to be confused with TSN and RDS is 17 million monthly viewers which I just mentioned. This is 17 million in one night across TSN, CTV and RDS. Let's take a minute to take a look at Bell Media Sports.
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Next up, CTV. CTV Bell's broadcast network is a broad reach vehicle, which has been the most watched broadcast service in Canada for a remarkable 24 consecutive years. It's truly a megaphone for driving crave, sports and lots more. Now CTV content delivers mass reach, where the sports contests alongside TSN, entertainment shows like [indiscernible] or big award shows like the Oscars. The Oscars, for example, well it brought 8 million Canadians to CTV, making it the #1 entertainment broadcast of this past year. Alongside entertainment and sports, news is another important part of ballast differentiation. CTV News is the undisputed news leader across linear and digital, national local markets here in Canada. Let me say that again. [indiscernible] undisputed news leader across virtually all measures.
Now shifting how we deliver news that is publishing as stories break, rather than holding for nightly news casts, Well, that's helped catapults to #1 in digital news in 2025. And it has made us the leader for 17 of the last 18 months. Finally, Bell's content leadership isn't only limited to video platforms, whether in audio with iHeart or out-of-home Astro. Bell Media leads the market in out-of-home, think billboard, street furniture and the like. Bell Media's Astro is the #1 player. Market coverage has grown from 20 to 50 markets, and we've expanded our digital screen and street furniture portfolio significantly. So content leadership, that has delivered consumers, the compelling content they want across sports, entertainment and news. It's a big part of what differentiates us and positions us to deliver on that POWERHOUSE ambition.
But there's a lot more. The momentum we have today, it's built on our transformation journey. As Mirko noted earlier, Bell Media recognized as early as 2020, that content consumption, technology and business models are changing dramatically that we had to start to change our thinking and approach. Bell Media has since undertaken a series of moves on its portfolio, its content, its tech stack and it's data. These moves, well, they've set us on a journey which has shown encouraging progress and the path has since come into even greater focus. This transformation path is going from linear to digital from closed system to content everywhere consumers look to listen and watch from broadcaster to streamer distributor and producer and from selling broadcast [indiscernible] to cross-platform sought-after audiences linked to outcomes like dealer visits or sales.
Look, some of this is simplistically like fishing. You got to fish where the fish are. Viewers, subscribers and advertisers. They've all been migrating to a streaming digital and on-demand world. So we've been making that same transition. In content delivery, marketing and ad selling. Our progress can be seen in a dramatic shift in the revenue mix towards digital. Already close to half our revenue is from digital with a path to over 2/3 over the next 5 years. In line with that mix shift after uneven results in Media for a handful of years, we unlocked financial growth in 2024 and 2025 thus far. We grew EBITDA by high single digits to 2024 and are on track to continue to grow by single digits in '25 and expect this to continue through 2028. Supporting this is five consecutive quarters of year-over-year revenue and EBITDA growth. Now they won't all be growth quarters to be sure. That's the nature of the beast.
But Bell Media's aim is to grow annual revenue and annual EBITDA by sustainable single digits through 2028. In contrast to others in the space, we can say, we are growing beyond compelling content and sound transformation thinking, what's behind that growth in a word, rate. Crave is and will continue to be a big driver. Across Bell, we're leaning into streaming and direct to consumer, and that focus has driven a historic 1.2 million new subscribers since the start of 2024. A whopping 40% increase, which brings us today to 4.3 million subscribers. By the end of 2028, we expect that number will be 6 million subscribers, and will allow us to achieve our ambition of making Crave a $1 billion annual revenue business with EBITDA margins of over 25%. And this translates to a targeted double-digit CAGRs on subscribers, revenue and other metrics between now and then. And we're doing this in growing distribution of Crave. We started with the launch of Crave on Amazon Prime Video and as Blaik described, more collaborations with Bell [indiscernible] and Internet offerings.
We're doing this by offering subscribers flexibility and [indiscernible] choice with an ad-supported tier. We're doing this by make Quebec, a priority and ramping up supply of French language original content. We're doing this by investing in meaningful global and profitable content that differentiates Crave from others. And we're also doing this through high-value streaming bundles to consumers with our Disney+ Crave and TSN bundle. As an aside, there will be more like this to come, offering subscribers value and choice. And we're making dramatic improvements to craves user experience, leveraging AI to drive personalization, content discovery and even more engagement this year. All the while, we're expanding Crave to include direct access to CTV and [indiscernible] content to an expanded Kids portfolio to news and select sports.
So Crave is a big part of our growth story, as is at. That is capitalizing on digital advertising and data revenue opportunities in the market. The growth of the digital ad market in Canada has been truly extraordinary. In the past 5 years, Digital ad spend in Canada has gone from $7 billion to $13 billion, and we expect that to outpace $16 billion by 2028. Bell Media has targeted driving its ad revenue by then by driving growth in digital to more than offset declining legacy sources. And we're doing that through big changes in our go-to-market by making Bell easier to buy and by dramatically expanding our digital ad inventory, growing impressions with Crave with ads, which is sold out today growing as fast as the platform. addressable TV, FAST and AVOD offerings and other platforms, including YouTube and TikTok. Not to mention our digital out-of-home inventory. Over the past year, Astro has increased data faces by more than 200% in with plans to expand more.
So the last element of our 2028 POWERHOUSE ambition is synergies for BCE and continuing to generate low capital intensity cash. As mentioned, Bell Media has historically averaged low capital intensity, I think 4% to 5%. And as you heard from Blaik and John earlier, we'll take full advantage of our synergies. Those in consumer bundling, in marketing, in data and in tech with the rest of BCE. So from bundling Crave with consumer offerings, think mobility, Internet and content to leaning into privacy safe data and insights from across BCE's consumer touch points, then go from marketing, consumer and BBM services across Bell Media's various platforms, to sharing a tech stack and people on consumer and B2B apps. There are a range of cross-business unit advantages, which we are capitalizing on.
In closing, content leadership, transformation, crave, digital ads, synergies and cash generation, they all play important roles in our 2028 POWERHOUSE ambition. Our recipe is designed to allow growth businesses to offset legacy declines and allow us to achieve single-digit compound annual growth in revenue and EBITDA with highly efficient capital deployment. The headline Bell Media story over the last few years and the next 3 is the largest Canadian media player leaning into digital while optimizing legacy, driving growth and driving more cash flow. I'm excited about continuing to drive growth in Crave, Sports in our digital portfolio and excited to capitalize on how often our global competitors underestimate us. And while there's still work to be done, with some downtown Toronto style potholes along the way.
Bell Media is differentiated and winning. It has the globally unique portfolio of assets, the content and the brands the path, the plan and the momentum to be that powerhouse. Thanks very much for your time and interest.
Please welcome Curtis Millen, EVP and CFO, BCE and Bell Canada.
Hi. Good morning, everyone. Our operating environment has shifted dramatically over the last 5 years. And as you've heard from my colleagues today, we've made foundational investments to position the company for the future and the opportunities we have unlocked are very attractive. We've built out 3 million fiber locations in Canada over the last 5 years to reach 8 million fiber locations. We've expanded our fiber expertise into the fast-growing U.S. market, diversifying our revenue base. solidifying our position as the third largest fiber broadband provider in North America. We've built a world-class 5G, 5G plus wireless network. We've doubled down on customer experience. This is driving strong results in the market. We've leveraged technology to drive cost efficiencies. We have developed full stacked sovereign AI infrastructure and solutions, and we've transformed Bell Media into a digital-first business, all of which, combined, increased the durability of our financial profile. We've made significant progress, but there remains many more opportunities going forward.
When we combine our unique and differentiated assets, our focused strategy and our disciplined approach to capital allocation. We have a clear path to strong free cash flow growth, sustainable dividends and driving total return for shareholders. With that in mind, I plan to cover three topics with you today. First, our disciplined approach to capital allocation, design for the new environment that we operate in. Second,
how the foundational investments we've made in our businesses are future-proofing our financial profile. Third, the financial results that we expect to generate by executing on our forward-looking strategic plan.
Okay. Let's double-click on capital allocation. We have a disciplined approach to capital deployment. It's designed for our new operating environment and built along the following framework: strengthen the balance sheet, fund our focused strategic priorities and, importantly, return capital to shareholders. In terms of balance sheet de-leveraging we're targeting a 3.5x net debt leverage ratio by 2027 and have a clear path towards 3.0 by 2030. We've optimized the cost of capital for our U.S. fiber expansion by leveraging a third-party capital partnership. This reduces our funding requirements and reduce the [indiscernible] shareholders. We'll consider funding partnerships in other areas going forward if we accelerate growth and strengthen our financial profile.
While deleveraging will also continue to fund the key strategic priorities. My colleagues have shared with you today that will drive both growth and efficiency. Our current dividend is meaningful and sustainable. The 40% to 55% free cash flow payout ratio represents a balanced policy that enables us to achieve capital market goals and the attractive dividend yield helped drive total shareholder return. The free cash flow we generate combined with our disciplined approach to capital allocation is expected to drive long-term value for shareholders.
Okay. Let's have a look at how the foundational investments we've made in our businesses, are future-proofing, our operations and financial profile. We're a very different company than we were 5 years ago. And our transformation will continue over the next 3 years and beyond. As a result of foundational investments in our IT systems and processes, fiber and 5G networks, AI products and services, digital media platforms. We've become far more resilient and future focused across all business lines. On the consumer side, fiber subs now represent 73% of our Internet subscriber base. That's expected to grow to over 80% by 2028. We've also created a new growth vector in the U.S. with the acquisition of Ziply Fiber.
We currently have 1.4 million fiber homes in the U.S. We expect to exit 2028 with approximately 3 million locations. For 2028, Internet, wireless and content is expected to drive 85% and of consumer and small business revenue. On the enterprise side, the solutions we provide are increasingly powered by next-gen products and services. fiber, wireless, AI-powered solutions. By 2028, around 65% of enterprise revenue is expected to be driven by these next-gen services. Through strategic investment and focus, we've transformed our media business into a largely digital media platform.
Media has transformed from just 16%, digital-based revenue to now being on a path to reach approximately 60% digital by 2028. Put simply, the investments we have made are supporting an increasingly growth-focused operating mix. As a result, our financial profile is increasingly future-proof and positioned for long-term growth. We expect that by 2028 approximately 80% of our revenue, 73% of our EBITDA will be generated by growth services. This represents a dramatic shift in our operating and financial profiles. Highlights how the investments we have made positions us well for the future. Over the last 5 years, we've also made foundational investments and are leveraging AI capabilities to simplify our operating structure and deliver significantly improved customer experiences.
As Hadeer and Blaik discussed earlier, our customers have noticed, customer complaints have decreased, churn is on track for even further improvement. Our strong track record to date gives us comfort to increase our cost savings target from $1 billion to $1.5 billion by 2028. This target includes the efficiencies mentioned by Hadeer and Blaik earlier, as well as other savings driven by leveraging technology solutions internally, simplifying operations and the overall benefits of executing against our four strategic priorities. $1.5 billion is our 2028 target. It will be incremental cost efficiencies in 2029 and beyond as we continue to streamline our operations and exit legacy services. For example, copper e-com related real estate and rationalization, those are benefits not included in the target $1.5 billion. That represents an incremental opportunity. To date, we've monetized $100 million from this program, but it's still in the early stages. Enormous value, be monetizing our copper, but it's going to take some time to fully harvest.
Put simply, our foundational investments in customer experience and operational simplicity will continue to improve customer retention and generate cost savings. We've also made foundational investments in our fiber network and have solidified our position as the third largest fiber broadband provider across North America. We're well positioned for growth as fiber is the clear winner in the broadband landscape. Growth will be driven by capturing the significant ramp-up of subscribers and new fiber footprint as well as by reaching run rate levels of penetration on fiber that we've already built. In terms of new fiber footprint, our acquisition of Ziply Fiber and our network Fiberco partnership enable a straightforward path to double our current Canadian fiber footprint.
By the end of '28, we plan to double our U.S. footprint to approximately 3 million fiber locations. Over time, we plan to leverage the network Fiberco partnership to expand our fiber footprint in the U.S. to 8 million locations, bringing our total fiber reach to over 16 million locations and leveraging our partnership with PSP will accelerate and expand our ability to monetize the U.S. fire opportunity. For every $1 invested by Network Fiberco, B.C. will only invest $0.20 to $0.25. Funding is proportionate to our 49% equity stake and the partnership will utilize nonrecourse leverage to reduce the overall risk of the investment. Our CapEx requirements in the U.S. will drop dramatically, and will largely become success-based spend. And we still expect to deliver 20-plus percent returns. We know fiber is the clear winner in the broadband market, where we have fiber, we've been capturing the majority of net adds and growing our market share.
As Blaik mentioned earlier, we reached 46% penetration within 5 years in our new footprints in Canada. Ziply Fiber has also been able to drive consistent and dramatic penetration ramp-up across new fiber-build cohorts. So there's significant opportunity in both Canada and the U.S. to drive penetration in markets where we've already deployed capital. 25% of our fiber footprint in Canada has been built within the last 3.5 years. 40% of Ziply's fiber footprint has been built within the last 4 years. So a continued ramp-up in penetration is expected across these markets. I would also note that 46% is the market share we capture in Canada within the first 5 years. It does not reflect run rate share. In some of our more tenured fiber markets, penetration is over 50%. So there's much more opportunity to increase our share of overall broadband subs. This increasingly future-focused operating profile translates into improving financials across every operating line. Every operating line. Over the next 3 years, we expect to deliver a consolidated revenue CAGR of 2% to 4%, and while continuing to transform both our operating mix and financial profile.
We expect to generate over $3 billion of new growth revenue over this period. That more than offsets the decline in legacy products and services. Over the same period, we expect to deliver a consolidated adjusted EBITDA CAGR of 2% to 3% and again, with net growth across all businesses. This growth rate reflects significant contribution from fiber, wireless powered enterprise and digital media. It also reflects the impact of legacy headwinds, which will represent a much lower share of our financial profile by the time we get to 2028.
Excluding the headwinds, our expected adjusted EBITDA CAGR would be north of 6%. I also think it's important to point out that these growth metrics only include a portion of Bell AI Fabric's significant growth opportunity. There's also value upside not reflected in these financials as the investment value being created by a 49% stake in the U.S. fiber partnership with PSP is not consolidated. We expect to generate significant free cash growth over the next few years. As discussed, our investments across our strategic priorities will drive EBITDA growth. We'll see benefit from the normalization of working capital, lower severance costs and lower lease payments, which will offset interest and cash tax pressures.
CapEx spending is expected to remain relatively flat in 2028 versus 2025, but resulting in a lower capital intensity ratio. Over the next 3 years, we expect to grow free cash flow after lease payments at a CAGR of approximately 15%. By 2028, will be a company that deliver sustainable growth across all business units, generate significant discretionary free cash flow benefits from lower capital intensity, operates with renewed financial flexibility is powered by next-gen services anchored by our unmatched brand and enduring customer relationships. Our free cash flow generation unpins a resilient investment-grade credit profile and supports meaningful de-leveraging over time. We expect to reach our target 3.5x net debt leverage ratio by 2027 with a clear path towards 3.0 by 2030. These targets reflect our sharper focus on balance sheet strength and financial flexibility. We expect to reach these milestones through a combination of organic EBITDA growth, free cash flow generation and near-term monetization of non-core assets.
As you've heard from my colleagues today, we have a clear and actionable path to delivering strong financial results. The integrated strength of our unique and differentiated assets is the foundation of our confidence in the 2028 outlook we've presented today. So between now and 2028, net leverage is expected to decrease to 3.5x by '27, below 3.5x by '28. We expect revenue to increase at a CAGR of 2% to 4%, adjusted EBITDA increasing at a 2% to 3% CAGR. Capital spending will remain relatively flat on an absolute dollar basis, will decrease as a percentage of revenue to approximately 14%. Free cash flow is expected to grow at a CAGR of approximately 7%. Free cash flow after lease payments is forecast to grow at an impressive 15% CAGR. Between now and the end of '28, we expect to generate $22 billion of cumulative free cash flow before CapEx and lease payments. We also anticipate returning approximately $5 billion to shareholders through a sustainable and disciplined dividend strategy.
In summary, we're driving a step function increase in free cash flow. Our technology investments are delivering measurable improvements in customer experience and operational efficiency. Growth funding remains disciplined, generating attractive returns across our core businesses and more than offset declines in legacy services. Capital intensity has been reduced and spending is increasingly demand driven. We're actively deleveraging and enhancing financial flexibility. Our dividend approach remains prudent and sustainable, reinforcing our commitment to long-term value creation. Simply put, we have reshaped our financial foundation, positioning BCE to deliver accelerated free cash flow growth, a stronger and more resilient balance sheet, a sustainable dividend and meaningful long-term value to shareholders. Thank you.
Thank you, Curtis. Now throughout the day, you heard from many members of BCE's strong and seasoned leadership team. Mirko provided an overview of BCE's strategic priorities. Blake detailed how we're delivering the best fiber and wireless networks. Hadir walked us through how we're putting customers first. Harald outlined our U.S. fiber strategy, and John detailed our plan to lead in enterprise with AI-powered solutions. Sean shared our ambition to build a digital media and content powerhouse, and Curtis just outlined BCE's financial strategy and outlook. We hope you found today's presentations valuable and can better appreciate how our assets are both unique and highly differentiated and tightly aligned with our core business in a way that sets us apart.
We are now ready to begin our Q&A session. So I would like to invite all of today's presenters up on stage, and I'd like to do this along with Mark McDonald, who is our Chief Technology Officer, driving the network and the connections through everything. As they settle into their seats, I'd like to quickly note how we'll run this session. Around the room, we have several Bell brand ambassadors with microphones. If you do have a question, please raise your hand, and we will bring a microphone over to you.
We ask that you introduce yourself by name and the organization that you're with before asking your question. And with that, I'd like to open it up to our first question. So please do put your hands up if you have one.
2. Question Answer
Vince Valentini with TD Cowen. Great day guys. I'm a little confused by one of the targets is that in almost every segment, the revenue growth is targeted to grow faster than the EBITDA growth, which is not what we're used to with BC. You've been so focused on cost cutting that we usually see EBITDA a little bit ahead. At the same time, you seem to be targeting that your leases are going to go from $1.1 billion down to $800 million. Is there simply some accounting change there, Curtis, of some leases turning into OpEx? Or is there some mix change within the revenue? If you can try to unpack that for us, it would be helpful.
Okay. I'll take the second piece first, Vince. So there's no accounting change. It's literally just we are focused on free cash flow. So we look at managing CapEx and capital leases together. Ultimately, the new additions in '24, '25, '26 are going to be lower than they were in '22, '23. So we have line of sight to lease cash repayments coming down over time. So ultimately, it's just free cash flow management for us. It's managing our spend.
Are there any specific buckets of the leases? Because it's a pretty big number like that you could...
It's a bit of everything. I'd say all the investments that we've been making in IT processes and just simplification that are run the business CapEx, if I'm thinking about CapEx and leases in a similar bucket, our cost to run the business is just coming down. We're more efficient. No set-top box means you don't have capitalized set-top boxes, right? Less equipment -- network equipment rolling out, more of it's being put through CapEx than leases. So no accounting, just free cash flow management.
What was the first part again?
2% to 4% versus 2% to 3%.
Why is revenue growth [indiscernible].
Yes, ultimately, we're clearly still focused on efficiency and cost savings. That's why we bumped up our $1 billion target to $1.5 billion. Ultimately, we're driving 15% free cash flow growth, and we didn't need to model an EBITDA margin expansion. So higher EBITDA dollars, flat EBITDA percent margin.
There's nothing in the mix of the revenue, like some of the new DC stuff or maybe some of the TPIA stuff out in Alberta and BC. Is there anything big in terms of mix that we should think about? Or maybe your answer is telling me maybe the EBITDA is a bit conservative relative to the revenue. You don't want to overshoot at this point in time?
Well, we're certainly going to deliver on what we're promising. And so we'd all like to be here in 3 years and say we overdelivered. But ultimately, look, there's product mix change year after year after year. There are some products that are legacy. We still need to manage the cost to deliver that, the cost to maintain. And yes, we have products that are ramping up, and we're kind of driving increased margin over time in those products. So portfolio basis, ultimately, by 2028, driving free cash flow, EBITDA dollars have increased, EBITDA margin flat. And look, this team is going to be laser-focused on driving out cost efficiencies.
Drew McReynolds from RBC. So I would just echo Vince's comments, great presentation, and thanks for all the forward guidance here. I'll limit -- lots of questions, but I'll limit it to just a couple of topics. I think first, on the regulatory environment, Mirko, you've been pretty clear on your position in Canada. What are some of your working assumptions that underpin this 2025, 2028 outlook with respect to regulation in Canada? And then maybe a question for John within sovereign and AI. I don't think this liberal minority government and Karni are done with announcements and initiatives. Just what are your expectations kind of looking forward with respect to just some of the government business that could potentially transition within the envelope of what you're trying to do?
Thank you, Drew. I'll take the first part, John, you can take the second part. So on the -- we've considered a range of outcomes, Drew, on -- particularly on the TPIA or the fiber resale wholesale rates. Look, our position on the policy was quite clear and remains quite clear, but the decision has been made. So the job of this team here is to execute against that background against the context that the surrounding circumstances. So on that front, we are going to execute given the environment as we always do. And we're going to do it well, and we're going to deliver the plan that we've outlined.
In terms of now the key thing is the rates that the CRTC will establish the final rates. We continue to urge the commission to make sure that those who build networks in Canada are fully and appropriately compensated for the full cost of building those networks and maintaining them. And on that front, specifically to your question, the ranges that we've provided you consider a range of outcomes. But again, fundamentally comes down to execution, the road map that Blake laid out in detail during his presentation. And on AI and sovereign, over to you, John.
Great. Thanks, Drew. The way I'd like to explain it, we've created something that's one of one, which really resonates at this time. And I'll unpack the layers of it. The first one is anyone looking for a sovereign high-density compute, they need an incredible amount of fiber, best, fastest and most reliable. That's what I've got Mark here for, and he's building that well. So anyone building needs to have that, and it underpins every single facility that we're creating. Second on deck, really, really important. You have to have energy. We have 500 megawatts right now. We don't have to wait 7, 12 years to build some very expensive facilities. So that really matters. And we've got great partnership with the folks who have that energy.
The next on deck, think about the building and the land. we're being very thoughtful and a point that I hadn't mentioned earlier, we're not just building without demand. We're securing the anchor tenant. We're securing a long-term deal in terms of utilizing that facility, then we're retrofitting or building a new, and we've retrofitted one and we're building another one that will come on stream at the end of this year. The next you need is a sovereign compute facility. And right now, we've got GPUs from NVIDIA with a partner, and we've got inference chips or TSPs with Grok. So the beauty there is that we can grow faster with partners. We get a share of that on go-to-market as we sell, but they become anchor tenants. And I think there will be additional relationships that we'll bring to bear on that Accord.
Next OnDeck, which really resonates well on the sovereign front, we're enabling many small Canadian companies to come on deck with us and to be part of that fabric stack. That is a high priority for our federal government, and we're partnering with them, bringing them on deck and helping them succeed in this environment. Adjacent to that is the Cohere relationship. It is very important to support the only LLM, an excellent company. There's only 4 or 5 countries in the world that have one to help them succeed, and then we can take that to market with the expertise we built. Another important part of that fabric stack is SaaS. And the line, I think you've heard the Prime Minister or Minister Solomon is sovereignty without Solitude. So it's very important in building a Canadian sovereign stack that we still get the best of what the world can offer at this point. And you can't replicate some of those capabilities. Then you've got to bring it to life.
So one of the challenges with AI is that enterprise AI is hard. Enterprise AI is not like in your pocket doing ChatGPT or Perplexity. We've invested significantly in a number of companies to on-ramp AI into the federal government into large enterprise accounts as part of that. If you then roll through and think about what we've built and what we're going to build, and I know folks like the financial numbers, and they weren't in the presentation. The first 5 facilities that will go live, they all have IRRs north of 20%. And One is built, occupied. The other one is sold being built. We will build the other ones upon securing the lead tenant and agreement for that. And the funnel is terrific.
The one thing there's not right now is power for the AI agenda. I think just one company, OpenAI, this last 2 weeks has asked for 27 gigs of power. And a gigawatt of power is an enormous amount of power. So we don't have concerns about the funnel of the pipeline. What we're doing is investing linking back to your question that we're going to build something amazing for Canada with all the layers of that stack, all the sovereign capabilities and the go-to-market partnering with the best tech companies in Canada and delivering that at a moment in time where it is perfectly, perfectly placed vis-a-vis the federal government or provincial governments and what they really care about.
To remind people do put up your hand if you have a question. We've got a number of mics so we can get a bit of a queue kind of started here.
Jerome Dubreuil from Desjardins. My 2 are on the Ziply opportunity. Maybe the first one for Harold will be, we often hear about some of the investors are concerned that you're going at it against some very big guys in the U.S. and the AT&Ts and guys like that. So what gives you the right to win maybe in terms of building capabilities? Why can't the bigger guys all do it at the same time, especially outside of your ILEC territory. So that would be the first one.
And the second one is on the returns, maybe more for Curtis. The PSP partnership, these kind of partners have different risk reward profile they're looking for. So I'm wondering how the return profile changed after you enabled the PSP partnership.
I'll take the first one, Curtis. Thank you for the question. It is an interesting one. I think that we have been building fiber for the last 5 years in the 4 Northwest states. We built -- the first plan was to build on our ILEC footprint. The second, we identified adjacent markets where we had network running through and we thought, gee, there's a town in between our towns, we should build there as well. We have fiber that goes beyond those 4 states that are along routes that we have selected and identified locations that are not likely to be built by others in the time frame that we're talking about. We've designed across a set of criteria, including return criteria and proximity to network that we already have. So we do believe that the plan to get to 3 million in 3 years and the plan to get to 8 million is something that is appropriate for us, and we think we can deliver on that.
There are a lot of homes in the U.S. to fiber up fundamentally.
Yes. Then in terms of returns, look, PSP and our partnership with them increases our returns. And as Harold said, it accelerates our ability to build fiber, sell fiber. We know fiber wins in market. And again, we're not competing with Verizon and AT&T. We're competing with cablecos in region. So we are first fiber where there's already fiber, we're not building there. So we are bringing fiber to market. We're bringing the superior product to market and driving penetration from there. The partnership with PSP allows us to do more of that and to do it faster. So it drives returns. And then kind of the double win here is we're a strategic provider. So we have strategic returns, and we now get to benefit from levered returns because it's nonrecourse debt at the partnership level.
Maher Yaghi from Scotiabank. I wanted to maybe just step back and look at your guidance for '25, '28. It seems when I look at '24, '25, your consumer SMB and enterprise was declining by 0.5% and now you're expecting it to grow by 2%. So maybe if you can unpack the consumer part because you're assuming improved pricing probably in that guidance. And what gives you the conviction that we will see improved pricing in Canada after the declines that we have seen? And the second question on the enterprise side, is it fair to say that the revenue that is coming in, the growth revenue is less margins than what you're losing. That's why we're seeing the revenue growth for the next 3 years higher than the EBITDA growth in the consolidated assumptions?
So Maher, on the second part, there is some of what you indicated, but the important thing to highlight is on -- particularly on the enterprise side, whether or not it's cyber, Bell Cyber, Ateco or Bell AI Fabric may not be the margins that you customarily associate with, let's say, fiber and voice, but it's all net new revenue, net new growth, all fundamentally connected to our core business, and it's real. Each one of them is delivering revenue now and delivering the growth rates even organically that John highlighted. So that's on the second question.
On the first with respect to the conviction around consumer and small business. Maybe, Blake, you start, and I might build on it.
I mean we're very confident the wireless business is starting to come back. And I know all of you follow pricing very closely, but the transactional rates have improved significantly in the last few quarters. And what brought wireless down will also bring wireless back up, and we're starting to see that pricing discipline that the Canadian wireless has historically seen. So I think it's wireless coming back. And then some of our legacy businesses become less relevant over time as the mix shifts more to Internet content and wireless.
So in wireless, just to build on Blake, we've seen starting in the back half of the second quarter, the last bit of the second quarter, we started to see price stabilization, and it's continued to improve. And as Blake mentioned, the transaction rates are a bit better now than they have been over the past little while. And then there's been a nice mix shift as well to the premium brands away from the flanker brands, which has provided a lift there, too.
Got a question at the back here.
It's Brian Pilsner from Foyston. Curtis, just a quick question. The -- you put that note the $5 billion return to -- in the form of dividends. I just wanted to understand, does that infer some growth on a per share basis?
No, that's -- literally, if you take the number of shares times the current dividend and you roll it out 3 years, you get to about $5 billion.
Okay. So then the excess free cash is going back to the delevering mostly then?
And to fund our growth.
The second thing is just on the flat CapEx. Korbel has been coming down as the fiber build has been coming down. What's been offsetting it to keep it flat during that time period?
I'd say it's funding of the growth initiatives. So we are building fiber still, and we just closed Ziply. So over the next 3 years, we're still building fiber in the U.S., which is new spend.
That's up for the $3 million pre the PSP network build?
Correct. Some of the build is still within Ziply Fiber's traditional copper footprint. That's on our account. Everything else is through the partnership. So through 2028, we still have, I would say, more CapEx to build out fiber footprint in the U.S. Post 2028, that will tail off dramatically as the partnership takes basically all of the future build. And then I'd just add, in a perfect world, we're spending a lot of demand CapEx in the U.S., right, to send modems to the new customers that we're signing up.
Sebastiano Petti from JPMorgan. Just quickly, Curtis, to that last point. As you think about Harold, I forgot how you described it, but I guess, growth opportunities or maybe some smaller assets that may come to market. How would you look at that from a maybe on balance sheet versus partnership? How would you maybe compare or think about some of that? And then as you're -- I guess, Harold, thinking about the PSP network investment, I think it's $5 million longer term. Can you give us maybe some interim goalposts as we should be thinking about that build engine ramping up over the next several years? $3 million at typically right, by 2028, I get that. But the remainder, how we should be thinking about the, I guess, build engine and the glide path?
Do you want to take the first part?
Yes, I might go first. So the PSP partnership is set up to fund new build, to fund any tuck-in acquisitions that, again, if we look at a tuck-in acquisition and it accelerates our ability to drive free cash flow, shareholder value, then we'll consider it. But the partnership is the partnership for new builds and tuck-ins.
Yes. In terms of the overall build, which was your question, we have -- I don't think we're giving guidance past 2028. But in the first 3 years, we're going to continue to ramp. Post 2028, we will continue to ramp and then be relatively flat as we continue to build at a much higher pace to complete to the -- about 8 million.
So the 2028 exit rate, we should anticipate an acceleration as we think about '29 and beyond.
[indiscernible] will still be an increase beyond '28 and then not much of an increase sort of staying at that much higher pace to get to about $8 million.
And I guess maybe a quick follow-up on the U.S. business. As you're thinking about increasingly convergence in the U.S. as a theme, and obviously, Jerome touched on it as well, but even the cable operators as well trying to defend their broadband base. So I guess 2-part question. One, have you seen a change in the competitive environment from the cable operators? Comcast is a big competitor of yours in the Northwest. And maybe what does that mean from a churn perspective within the Ziply business?
And then secondarily, convergence I think, Mirko, I've asked you this a million times. But as you think about just the need for wireless over time, I mean, where is that, I guess, on the longer-term or medium-term kind of road map?
Yes. So first, to answer about competition and then about convergence or wireless as a bundle. So we've done this for the last 5 years. I've been an investor and other companies have been doing this for quite a bit longer, so I have a good visibility to what cable companies have done over time. And certainly, they've gotten more aggressive over time. We haven't seen anything in the last couple of years that has changed. Initially, they got very aggressive. We compete with -- largely with Comcast and Charter, so the 2 largest. And what we found is we're getting to the penetration curve in our model actually faster than we had expected. So it's actually slightly accelerated from what we had expected.
And we continue to eke out a little bit better over time. So we're actually getting better penetration than we expected as we're getting towards that half market share roughly. And so we have not seen anything in terms of increased churn or inability to get to the penetration numbers.
On your second question about -- and by the way, I think a thing to think about is as these cable companies have really large bases and they do actions on pricing, it's generally to the next customer. They still have yet to sort of have this whole back business reprice that they may need to go through, which will be a massive thing for them. So on the second question about wireless and convergence, so you know that I have a wireless background, and we have folks up here who know wireless quite well. Our belief is that we're really good at being super focused. And when we identify that our penetration curves change, then that's going to be the moment when we would do something like an MVNO. We're prepared to do that. We think we can execute it relatively quickly. And with the relationships and experience that we have with this team here, we think we're in good shape.
We don't think we should do that ahead of when we need to, and we think we have enough visibility to be able to pick that time.
Stephanie Price with CIBC. Just curious, Blaik had mentioned launching a fiber offering in BC and Alberta. Maybe you could talk a little bit more about, is that going to be directly only to your mobile customers? Is that going to be offered more broadly?
Go ahead, Blaik.
Sure. It's initially going to be offered focused on our mobility base with preferred pricing when you bundle and then there'll be different pricing when you're not bundling content. So -- and I think what's different about us is that we're very focused also on bundling content. So what you'll see from us launching this week is you'll see content bundles also in Western Canada, where if you're a mobility customer, we'll want to bundle content also with your mobility service. And we think we can break the content Internet bundle that is in that market. So our strategy is twofold. It's really using our owner economics on content, bundling it with mobility base in a disciplined way. And if required, we will resell fiber Internet to drive that bundle.
So we're going to be playing to our strengths, Stephanie, out West as we do in the East. So our strong distribution, we have strong distribution out West, the Bell brand, which is the most trusted brand and is going to be bigger, even larger brand consideration now that we are able to resell Internet, owner economics on content and content is becoming, as Blaik pointed out, an even bigger component of the customer value proposition, of course, our best network in wireless. So that's -- we'll be playing to our strengths in the way that Blaik described out West.
And then just a follow-up on AI fabric. Just curious how you think about revenue growth and the CapEx requirements from that. And I think Curtis mentioned that as an area of upside to your official targets for 2028.
Stephanie, thank you for the question. So I'll go one level deeper in terms of the 5 sites we're looking to build. So from '26 to '28, those 5 sites will cost us $300 million, and they will have revenues of $100 million to $150 million a year. What's beautiful about what we're building is we'll partner with those who have, be it skills or resources to augment that, specifically in the GPU or TSP layer. So it's a beautiful linkage. And if you think of capital heavy, that's not capital heavy relative to the revenue that will accrue from that. So it's a really good business case that's capital light. And of course, our TechCo and Bell Cyber are very capital light in terms of the growth there. And the organic growth within those businesses is really, really good that pushes us north of 40%.
I think maybe one thing I can add as well is because of the nature of our existing fiber network, our national fiber backbone and our metro aggregation network, we have a lot of fiber in the ground that we're able to leverage as the AI fabric data centers are built at a very efficient rate.
It's Matt Griffiths from Bank of America. Maybe just, John, another question for you. Just to the extent that you can, can you lay out maybe where the growth is coming from? It sounds like you just gave some guidance on the Bell AI fabric, how much revenue you're assuming is coming from there. Can you link that to maybe how many megawatts you're building? And then are you -- what kind of assumptions for ATCO are you making for kind of enterprise adoption, which would require maybe the integration work? And what needs to come first for these type of growth numbers that you were giving to come to fruition?
Thank you. So the first question, the 5 initial sites have a little bit less than 73 megawatts of power. And all of those have a very attractive IRR north of 20%. We have a terrific pipeline of customers. The scarcity now, as I mentioned earlier, there is no power available to the marketplace. And then we have a much larger site that will come after that time period as we build out that one. That has 300 megawatts of power there. So there's a really good pipeline.
I think what we're also finding is there's this beautiful flywheel. As folks who have power see the success in what we're building, they want to be part of it. We've got a really good relationship with a software company, Canadian-based that wants to be part of it now. That will change the scale and scope. On a provincial level, there's tremendous interest in what we're doing. So I think the flywheel of opportunity is very significant there. And the way we're going about it really purposely in terms of respecting the capital, investing in building the facilities, the air cooled, the water-cooled backdoor air chillers the landscape of those, we're being really smart about the capital and aligning that well to the revenues that would accrue from that. So that would be on the fabric side.
In terms of a Techco and cyber, one of the points I like is this Rule of 40 that many in the room might be familiar with. You add up revenue growth and you add up margin. And it was a bit like Maher's question earlier, we are really turning the dial on that revenue growth CAGR. We're punching well above 40%. And for anyone who's come from a software business, software services business, when you really punch that growth curve, the margins aren't as high as it would be otherwise because you're scaling literally hundreds and hundreds of people and then building that operating acumen around it. So we see a really nice lift off as you roll forward.
But in the near term, it's all about revenue growth. It's all about the business. Our hypothesis in moving into this space was we think with Bell Business Markets, we have a platform of the most attractive customer base. And in bringing these businesses into the fold, it's made us more relevant. It's got us deeper in the stack. We're more strategic. We're spending more time with the business strategy side of it than the procurement side. And it's always nice to be on the business strategy side when you're selling something versus the procurement.
So all of that is coming true. And we can open doors for them that they could never open. You can have this this most amazing architect in Kitchener, Ontario, one of the top 30 in the world. But for them to be the front going into a large FI on Bay Street, that's almost impossible. But the credibility of marrying up this world-class architect in a very key domain, wrapping that around Bell and then going to see FIs on Bay Street, all of a sudden, you have the credibility and you've got the technical acumen, and it's a perfect marriage of the two. So we're seeing that come to life. We see incredible potential on a go forward and blending those 2. And it's capital light. It's really accretive to our core business and makes us more relevant.
And Matt, I want to underline one thing. So there's tremendous growth potential there at Ateko for all the reasons that John has outlined, but Ateko is delivering now and is growing now. And just -- so there's lots of runway ahead because of the AI adoption and the need for AI automation integration. But if you look -- and John in his presentation talked about a major FI having outsourced to Ateko their entire ServiceNow platform now. It speaks to the power of marrying the expertise that the founders of Ateko have with a deep customer enterprise relation -- the deep customer relationships that Bell has and the network gravitas that we have, you put those together, gave that customer confidence to say, take our ServiceNow architecture and needs and please do it for us.
Tim Casey from BMO. Mirko, in the presentation, you talked a lot about, I guess, a road map to decommission copper, but you didn't give any dates and there wasn't a lot of transparency on the potential for harvesting copper and real estate. Maybe if you could just explore those themes, I guess, in the context that some of your peers have given more dates and transparency there.
Yes. Thank you, Tim. So as I mentioned in my opening presentation, I think we want to do this in a smart and balanced way, and we've been going at it. Where we have fiber, we've been migrating residential customers from copper to fiber, and we've been decommissioning the residential component of the services in areas where we have fiber. And it just -- I mean, it creates a flywheel of customer experience goodness, which you might want to touch on, Hadir. So as we continue to do that, and we've got -- Mark, maybe you can highlight the trial on the CIMCO where we're fully decommissioning a central office where we want to be very precise in how we manage the transition of business customers over from legacy services to new services. And as we do that, it's going to create a flywheel of goodness, both in terms of cost savings and the ability to decommission legacy services and then, of course, monetize real estate footprint. And that will be -- the savings that come from that will be over and above the targets we've given today. So maybe on customer experience and then on CIMCO.
We continue to focus on customer experience. We focus on that through copper, but of course, the fiber customer experiences unbelievable. You get the unbreakable Internet. You get all the self-serve tools and troubleshooting and all the things that we do for our customers. And we are delivering on customer experience in 3 different ways. We are really focused on our customers and giving them the AI-powered tools to self-serve and to personalize their experience. We are also delivering on that for our frontline employees and agents. We're giving them superpowers. So it is -- it becomes less about [indiscernible] sharing and like focusing on legacy systems and really more about delivering that fantastic customer experience.
And we can talk about customer experience, and I know it sounds nice, but customer experience without a vision and a plan on how we are going to execute on that is like just nice stuff to talk about. We have the vision and the plan to transform our legacy systems to actually deliver on that customer experience, to enable that different customer experience through platforms that are AI-powered that benefit from a redesign in every single interaction. And of course, the fiber experience is unparalleled. We know our customers prefer it, and we prefer our customers to be on fiber as well. So...
Maybe a couple of questions. What we're actually doing practically right now is decommissioning a central office in Eastern Toronto, the Simpson central office. And as Mirko said, that gives us very rich learnings on what does it take to migrate the customer services, both consumer and enterprise and actually shutting down that central office. But we're going beyond that. So across our entire base of central offices and services, we're doing a big data engineering exercise using AI to gather all of the cost data, all of the revenue data per service per customer grouping. So we have a very good representation of the opportunity at quite a granular level. So then as we start to ramp this up a little bit more, we can do that in a very financially responsible way.
David McFadgen from Cormark Securities. A question on AST, your plans with AST. So when do you expect to launch service with AST? And do you expect to have voice, text and data right away? And how big could this market be? I'm sure you've run some numbers.
Yes. So I can talk a little bit about our build plans. So we've completed our initial testing, and we're now starting to build the gateways in the ground. That's going to happen later this year and into next year. So what we're going to do, our intention is to have the full suite of services. So voice, data, video, messaging, 911 over voice. And as the AST constellation gets built out over the course of next year as well, we will then determine what's the right exact moment to do a mass launch. I think we'll do some customer trials next year for sure. And if everything works out well, quickly into a launch as well. So that's the build plan. And maybe Blaik can talk a little bit about the business volume.
Yes. I think we all know Canada is a big country, but this is profound in terms of -- there's about 1% of the population that does not have access to cellular networks. And there's about 10% of the population that regularly goes off the grid. So I think for us, for AST, it allows us to go after that 1%. And you can do the math on 1% of 40 million, which will drive incremental net adds. But more importantly, it's using your device and being able to drive more usage and really enable different experiences. So from a consumer perspective, it's quite strong. And from an enterprise perspective, it's quite profound in terms of what enterprise customers will be able to do. And we will be charging -- trying to monetize the incremental capability as we deploy the technology.
Just one other thing as well as the sovereign aspect, I think, is a very important element. So we are -- Bell are building and operating the ground infrastructure here right in Canada. So we'll be able to control the full flow of data within the borders of Canada, which is a unique differentiator for this solution.
So if we were going to run numbers, should we assume that initially the market, say, 1% times $10 to $15 a month and then maybe you could scale it up to 10%, like something like that?
I think you should think incremental penetration, 1%. We're not going to get all of it. It's going to be shared -- and then I think I would think of it around roughly $10 to $15 incremental ARPU and penetration of that over time. Not everyone is going to value it, but there's going to be a big portion of the population that's going to see value.
And maybe if I could ask a question on Ziply. What is the competition with fixed wireless in your footprint? And what do you expect in the future from fixed wireless?
Yes. It's interesting on -- the question was about fixed wireless, and we do get asked about this a bit. We have definitely seen fixed wireless come into our footprint, and it's been where our copper network has not yet had fiber build, and we have seen fewer new customers through that, not much increased churn. But what we have noticed specifically, we measure this very carefully is where we then build fiber, the penetration curve looks the same as where we built fiber where we haven't seen any fixed wireless come in. And that reinforces the hypothesis that we've had.
And as we go out and study this, if you have fixed wireless, cable, copper, fiber and satellite available at your home, you're going to pick fiber. And that's what we've seen come through. We've not seen any evidence that there's any reduction in our penetration curves or anything related to churn where fixed wireless where we have fiber.
Okay. And then just lastly, when do you expect Ziply to be free cash flow positive?
Yes. I'd say, call it, second half of 2028, right? I mean, again, I'd caveat this by saying if we can spend more COA and spend more demand CapEx, it's a good news story. But it's basically pretty close to being breakeven free cash flow second half of '27, breakeven in '28. And then again, as we continue to scale growth and reduce CapEx on build, '29 is all free cash flow positive.
So it should stay free cash flow positive and build free cash flow positive? Because you're going to use the JV with PSP to fund infrastructure growth and it will hit your financials.
Yes. If we weren't building new fiber locations, it's free cash flow positive.
I think we got time for a couple more questions here. Bentley?
Bentley Cross with [indiscernible]. Curtis, within your presentation, you highlighted, I think, $3 billion towards debt paydown and/or strategic initiatives or strategic priorities, however it was framed. How should we think about that mix between 2026 and 2028? And an extension of that question, do any of the growth targets mentioned today include any M&A?
So I think if I can jump in first. Ultimately, it's a balanced allocation. So we have a couple of capital markets goalposts that we're shooting for. So there is the 15% free cash flow growth. We have our revenue and EBITDA targets. We're also looking to manage our balance sheet at the same time. So we think that we're going to be able to drive enough free cash flow to pay a sustainable dividend, delever our balance sheet and fund growth. Now is there a little gray area between paying down debt and funding growth? Yes. But ultimately, the good news is we have more opportunities than we can actually chase down if you're thinking about digitization of media, if you're thinking about Bell AI fabric and AI solutions. So it's really managing overall balance sheet and growth and funding growth is not just CapEx, it's OpEx also to the earlier question. So it's really -- we're just going to manage that opportunity be opportunity and year-over-year.
And on the second, I mean, we've provided a capital markets road map as early as February of this year, and we've got a balance sheet framework for you. And any M&A we're going to do will be within that framework. So the first screen is you're going to hit 3.5x leverage by 2027, and we won't do anything that brings us beyond that.
Okay. Well, with that, thank you all for your thoughtful questions and to our leadership team for their insights. To bring the program back to a close, I'll turn it back to Mirko.
So thank you, everyone, for your attention throughout the morning. I hope you've seen kind of an energized company, a fundamentally different company. We have a redefined capital markets approach that we were very proud to share with you today. We've got 4 tightly integrated strategic priorities that we are going to fund that are going to drive growth across each line of business that we have, which is super encouraging. We have a technology transformation, both internally to make us better to deliver better experiences for customers and also that technology transformation provides tremendous go-to-market revenue potential.
And perhaps the most important thing, there is a cultural transformation that's taken place where you have, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, 40,000 people that are completely aligned behind the 4 core priorities and are eager to deliver better outcomes for our customers because that's what comes first. If we deliver better outcomes for our customers, we're going to deliver better outcomes for you, and that's the plan. And we've got the targets and the ambition, and now we're going to execute, execute and execute some more for you. So again, thank you for everybody in the room for your attention. And everyone online, thank you as well. Talk to you soon.
Thank you, Mirko, for your closing remarks.
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BCE Inc. — Analyst/Investor Day - BCE Inc.
BCE Inc. — Analyst/Investor Day - BCE Inc.
📣 Kernbotschaft
- Kurzfassung: BCE stellt die Strategie auf Wachstum durch Fiber, 5G, KI-gestützte Enterprise‑Lösungen und digitales Media um; Ziel: 2025–2028 Umsatz‑CAGR 2–4% und bereinigtes EBITDA‑CAGR 2–3% bei stärkerer Free‑Cash‑Flow‑Fokussierung.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- Netzwerke: Ausbau von Fiber und 5G; Ziel: Nordamerika‑Reichweite deutlich erhöhen (Canada + U.S. via Ziply/Network FiberCo).
- Enterprise: Ateko, Bell Cyber und AI Fabric sollen bis 2028 rund $1,5 Mrd. Umsatz erreichen (KI‑Lösungen, souveräne Infrastruktur).
- Media: Bell Media setzt auf Crave‑Wachstum (6 Mio. Abos, $1 Mrd. Umsatz) und 60% Digitalanteil bis 2028.
🆕 Neue Informationen
- Kosten & Effizienz: Sparziel erhöht: zusätzlich $750 Mio. (Total bis $1,5 Mrd. Einsparungen bis 2028).
- AI Fabric: Erste 5 Sites ≈73 MW, CapEx ≈$300 Mio. (2026–28), erwartete Jahresumsätze $100–150 Mio. pro Jahr aus diesen Sites.
- U.S. Fiber: Ziply‑Ambition: 3 Mio. Passings bis Ende 2028; Network FiberCo soll US‑Footprint bis ~8 Mio. ausbauen (BCE 49% Beteiligung, 20–25% Cash‑Einsatz pro $1 Invest).
- Produkte & Ops: „Unbreakable Internet“ (Frühjahr 2026), 3G‑Shutdown 2027; Self‑Install & AI‑Tools zur Kostensenkung und besseren NPS (Net Promoter Score).
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Regulatorik: TPIA/CRTC‑Entscheidungen bleiben Unsicherheitsfaktor; Management modelliert unterschiedliche Szenarien und betont Bedingung fairer Wholesale‑Tarife.
- Rendite & PSP‑JV: PSP‑Partnerschaft reduziert BCE‑CapEx und Hebelwirkung; Management sagt, Partnerschaft erhöht Renditen via nicht‑recoursiver Finanzierung.
- AI‑Risiken: Stromversorgung und Ankerkunden für Rechenzentren sind Engpässe; Management betont selektives, auf Nachfrage abgestütztes Roll‑out (IRR >20% für erste Sites).
⚡ Bottom Line
- Ausblick: Investor Day liefert konkrete Zielgrößen und finanzielle Hebel: Wachstum treibt Fiber, 5G, KI und Media; Hauptrisiken bleiben Regulierung, Ausführung und Energie‑/Kapazitätsengpässe für AI. Für Aktionäre bedeutet das: klarer Wachstumsplan mit Fokus auf Free‑Cash‑Flow und De‑Leveraging, aber substanzielle Ausführung‑ und Regulierungs‑Risiken beachten.
BCE Inc. — Bank of America 2025 Media
1. Question Answer
Welcome BCE and BCE CEO, Mirko Bibic, to our conference. Thank you so much for joining, and it's a lot that you made the trip down. Really appreciate it.
My pleasure. Thank you, Matt.
So I thought I'd begin maybe focusing on like kind of your AI initiatives and announcements and Ziply before getting into kind of like the business update and what's going on in wireless and back-to-school and broadband. because I think there's a lot of -- it's very topical, I think, at the moment.
So maybe to begin and set the stage because I think the backdrop to a lot of the AI announcements is really the sovereign AI push, which is occurring and why that's important and what it means for the country and for BCE?
Okay. 2 very good questions. So maybe start at what it means for the country at the macro level, maybe thematically. And kind of like you said that the theme -- it's the macro themes that then kind of inform the investment thesis, certainly for us in terms of where we're making investments and obviously, for investors looking to -- at AI opportunities.
So at the macro level, if you think of kind of the geopolitical environment globally, you've got countries certainly like Canada who are -- and we're not the only ones, but you've got kind of the national security considerations. You've got the diversification of the economy, economic growth. Those all come together and AI is a significant component of that, where we are very, very strong in AI in Canada and less strong in production and deployment, but certainly in the science of it. It is a massive opportunity for economic growth everywhere. Canada is certainly alive to that issue, and we are on the cusp of -- AI is basically -- with AI, we're on the cusp of kind of massive transformation that we haven't seen since the advent of the Internet.
So if you look at it from that perspective, it's a very big opportunity, particularly so when we go back to the geopolitical issue where sovereignty becomes an issue. And what is sovereignty from an AI perspective? It's the idea that the data resides in the country entirely. So it doesn't traverse any other border. It just stays in the country where the data is stored and where the technology is housed are in data centers that are in Canada, owned and operated by Canadian entities who are subject to Canadian laws from beginning to end. And beyond that -- sovereignty goes beyond that. And the technology that's used to power AI is actually also operated and controlled by Canadians.
So when you look at it from that perspective, therefore, that macro theme, it's a very large opportunity in Canada, and we should probably -- I think you're going to ask me kind of where we play there. But I'll stop here with one more sentence and let you ask me your specific question on where we're going to play there.
If you think about what Bell's core business has been for 145 years, it's been connecting people to each other, connecting companies to their customers and connecting everyone in Canada to technology. And what we're doing in the AI space is connecting Canadians to AI technology. So I'll stop there, and I'm sure you want to...
No, that's a good overview. And so I think you've made some announcements like specifically more on the inference side of AI and on some announcements on size, general size of data center build that would accompany it over a period of time. And so what is it that Bell is doing on the inference and with the data centers? And who are you partnering with to make that happen.
It's a great question. Let me unpack that quickly, but in its entirety. So I said what I said -- my last sentence in the last question was said for a reason. We're connecting Canadians to AI technology. So what that means? We're going to play in the full stack of AI, and let me very quickly go through them. The first layer of that stack is network. You're connecting data centers with fiber. That is our wheelhouse, right? So no mystery there.
The next layer of the stack is data centers, purpose-built AI data centers, not standard colo, purpose-built AI data centers. And there, if you've got the land, the power, the cooling, you've got an advantage. And the critical advantage in this space right now is time to power. And we have all of those. And you see we've launched a site in British Columbia in June, and we've announced more. And that is fairly, frankly, it's just -- it's putting up a data center and you have access to the low-cost hydropower. So it's quite capital light. So that's the second layer.
The third layer there is compute infrastructure. As you can see, we have not owned and operated, purchased the compute, we've chosen to partner with those who do compute. So in the case of Groq, inferencing. We've done another -- we just announced another one with BUZZ High Performance Computing. So we're partnering in a capital-light way in order to provide the compute infrastructure to our customers. Above that, you've got the software layer. So again, think of LLMs, not going out and designing and building LLMs. We're partnering, for example, with Cohere. We have a massive partnership with Cohere.
And then the last layer on that stack in my mind, is all the AI technology advisory services, and we have a managed service provider called Ateko, where we're able to provide those very sophisticated AI advisory services to our customers.
So that's part of our business. The top layer on AI advisory is part of our business. The bottom, the very first layer, fiber, that's our core wheelhouse, the data centers, we can do in a capital-light and everything in between, we're partnering.
So can we maybe focus on one element of that right now, which is the compute. Because if I look at Groq and they have an example of another sovereign AI deal that they've done, Saudi Arabia is an example, which I don't know if that is a good analogy or not, but it's the one that I kind of come across. And in that instance, the -- somebody is a partner that purchases the compute from Groq, and then there is a revenue share that pays the partner back for buying the compute. And then once there's a return threshold that's met, revenue gets split among the partner and Groq, splits differently. So Groq makes their money on the back end.
So should we assume that there is -- that Groq is following that same model? There'll be somebody will be announced as a partner that's buying the compute that will then be subject to this kind of revenue share split? Or is the deal a different construct?
That is a model that I also understand Groq has deployed elsewhere. That is not the model that Bell and Groq have deployed in the first facility in British Columbia. In the first facility in British Columbia, it's Groq's own compute that they've taken the entire space. They put up the racks. It's their compute. We -- and they pay us for access to the facility on a long-term basis.
Now there are other models like the partnership model, which you've actually described a partnership model where somebody, it could be the person, it could be the entity that actually owns the data center will buy the inferencing chips from Groq and put them in -- install the racks in the facility and then there's a partnership split between Groq and the partner. That is not the model we've employed or deployed in our first data center.
Look, we take a big step back. We're playing in the layers of the stack where we are very good at or it's our core business or lanes that we have developed like managed service provider with Ateko. The other layers, we have chosen to do it in a capital-light partnership way. And if you take a step back, what we're going to be building with Bell AI Fabric is to be the backbone of the AI ecosystem in Canada, which has tremendous opportunity. There's an addressable market there that's in the billions, that's growing in the double digits and Bell AI Fabric will ride that wave, and there's significant revenue opportunity in the years to come that's in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and we're doing it in a capital-light way. I think we've stated publicly recently that you're looking at kind of in that $200 million to $300 million range of investment over the next 2.5 to 3 years, and we're going to be very disciplined in operating an overall BCE business at a 14.5% capital intensity, and that factors in all the investments we plan to make in Bell AI Fabric.
So there's growth -- high growth potential. And when you're talking about sovereign AI in particular, given the answer to the first question and the kind of geopolitical and economic growth themes there, one significant element that stands us apart from most others or many others is the notion of trust. And the Bell brand is one of the most trusted brands in the country in any sector of the economy. And when you combine that with our core assets that it's hard to duplicate, particularly in the enterprise space where most large, frankly, 95 of the 100 top Canadian companies are with Bell, that's a big advantage that nobody else has.
Great. Okay. And maybe just to finish off, you mentioned Ateko, which is sort of a grouping of businesses, I guess, really within Bell's business wireline services that sort of can help kind of modernize companies, updating legacy systems and so forth. That is where kind of this Bell AI Fabric will fit in with the connection to the business customers buying AI services through Bell and there's a connectivity layer there as well.
I know that there's a plan within Bell Business Markets to grow that bucket of revenue. Is that what is identified as like growing to up to $1 billion in the next -- I don't think there's an exact time frame. But is this the linkage? Is this the engine that will get that growth within that Bell Business Markets, this AI initiative with -- through the sales of services Ateko offers?
Maybe the best way to answer it is -- let me answer it this way. So the Bell Business Markets, our enterprise business has been significantly underappreciated, and we're starting to surface it more, highlight it more because the potential in that space is quite large. And it comes through a lot of hard work over the years and a lot of really focused strategic thinking. And there's a tremendous amount of potential there and growth potential. And if you think we have a unique set of assets that can't be duplicated in the enterprise space in telecom. Most other large kind of mega-cap traditionally legacy telcos have struggled, including ourselves in the enterprise space, technology disruption and competitive disruption. So it's been kind of a constant decline.
We are very unique in the sense that we -- in the core business, the declines are modest, starting to stabilize and inching up to growth and you add the collection of interrelated businesses to the core wireless and wireline business in enterprise, and there's now growth. And so what is that?
So it starts first with our fiber assets, which we have the scale that nobody else has. Our brand, the trusted brand, our deep, deep enterprise relationships that span 145 years. Right there, there's a natural advantage. So you have 5G, fiber, the relationships, the brand. And now you add 3 related high-growth, net new growth. This is not displacing anything. This is net new. And the 3 are managed service provider, the MSS -- the systems integrator managed service provider business of Ateko, which is -- which helps companies on their modern -- technology modernization journey just like we are undergoing ourselves. So we have operator expertise in the space. We bring that expertise to bear for our enterprise clients with a particular focus on the hyperscalers ServiceNow, Salesforce and AI integration.
We have cybersecurity, the cybersecurity business. And of course, when you think of security, you do think of Bell, core network security, but also cybersecurity, they go together. And then there's Bell AI Fabric. So all those 3 technology solutions businesses, AI Fabric, Ateko and cybersecurity work together. One pulls through the other, Fiber pulls them through or they pull Fiber through. So it all works as a unified strategic whole.
And then to your question on the exact kind of expectations of growth. So on the -- just the Ateko business is what we said would grow from -- around $200 million, $250 million in revenue to $1 billion by 2030. The other 2, cybersecurity and AI Fabric are over and above that.
Okay. That's great. That's a good overview. So maybe shifting gears now. I mean we could stay on AI, I think, for a lot longer. But shifting gears to the other kind of exciting change that is happening at BCE is your Ziply deal is closed. I think you've -- the debt has been kind of redeemed, you're sort of moving full steam ahead here. And so maybe just by the end of the year, you'll have 1.5 million passings. There's going to be another 0.5 million that will be built -- or sorry, yes, another 0.5 million that will be built to be 2 million in the footprint. And then you have the partnership, which will build another 1 million in the footprint and then 5 outside in low-cost areas that you've identified.
Can you kind of put some context in the pace of the build that you're planning? I know it's early days for the partnership to be able to -- but you must have some targets that maybe it's time to share or maybe just high level would be helpful.
Yes. I think the Ziply Fiber story is a great story. So we -- a couple of high-level points. We closed earlier than anticipated, which is a credit to the Ziply Fiber and Bell teams working together. That's one. The performance since -- of Ziply Fiber, subscriber growth, revenue growth, EBITDA growth has been better than we expected it would be when we made the initial acquisition announcement in November. It's a particular credit to the Ziply Fiber team.
And the third high-level point I'd like to make is this is really, really important. The Ziply fiber management team that has built Ziply fiber from scratch essentially back in 2020 they are with us. They are now part of the BCE family. And I think -- I mean, again, that's great news because they're an outstanding team, but I think it's also a credit to how we're working together as a team. And that's important to keep the operational momentum going.
So what we're trying -- what we're going to accomplish is we think that by 2028, we'll have above 3 million homes fiber lines built and largely in the 4 core states in the Pacific Northwest with an ambition to get to 8 million, as you pointed out. So I think those are -- gives you a couple of milestones there on the fiber passings.
Okay. And then there's the -- I mean, there seems to be a foot race to build fiber that's only accelerating in the U.S. How comfortable are you about being able to be first to fiber in the areas where you want to build? Like my understanding is you've identified more than enough homes to be able to make that happen. But just if you can get some comments on how you feel your ambitions match up with what's happening in the market recently?
Yes. So again, let's go back to the previous -- one of the previous points I made. One of -- I believe that -- well, I know because I've been told that one of the reasons that the management team has stayed with us and wants to execute the plan is they're energized about what BCE brings to the table and what we brought to the table is the ability for Ziply Fiber to accelerate what was in their initial build plan to get to that 3 million-ish homes in the 4 core states, so accelerate that and expand beyond that. And we wouldn't -- they wouldn't be excited about that if we all didn't collectively believe that it's doable. And what we did do with the PSP partnership is we unlocked certainly the funding component for that.
So what do you need? You need to identify areas that don't have fiber, and there are a lot of those areas in the United States. Fiber availability is only 50% of the country, so there's tons of opportunity. You need to have the team to do it. We have the team to do it. And of course, you need to have the funding capacity to do it. And with the PSP partnership, we've unlocked that.
So those are the 3 critical ingredients. And we have -- there's Ziply Fiber backbone that extends beyond the Pacific Northwest, which gives us an opportunity to kind of build along those areas. And again, there's a tremendous amount of potential given how little fiber availability there is in the U.S. compared to Canada, and BCE is an expert fiber operator as well.
So in the U.S., the other big theme is convergence, which you have 2 camps. It's not as though it's a decided argument. The AT&Ts and Verizons seem to be pushing the notion that there's a mutually beneficial relationship between offering fiber and wireless. Then you have on the other side of it, T-Mobile, which says, you know what, people aren't buying based on wanting one bill. They buy the best service. And so fiber obviously lines up as the best service and can win. So just where do you fall on that?
I think both camps are right. And here, I'll tell you why. In Canada, clearly, convergence is the predominant theme. And there's a reason for that. You've got 4 very competitive players in Canada and all 4 operate their own wireline and wireless networks to larger and lesser degrees, but they do. And the amount -- the extent of overlap between their owned wireless networks and their owned wireline networks is pretty extensive. So you have a different market structure, but you do see the results of convergence, lower churn, higher lifetime value, et cetera, et cetera. So from that kind of thematic point of view, that camp is correct, and we see it in Canada and Canada, I certainly endorse that point of view.
In the U.S., I think both camps are also right there. You -- if you have extensive fiber networks of your own and you have an extensive wireless network of your own, of course, you're going to try to find ways to put those 2 together. But the other camp is also correct that ultimately, the customer just wants better connectivity. And connectivity is critical to every single household and customer will always choose better. And fiber is better.
And why -- if that is true, like it's unassailable because you see companies like Ziply Fiber and there are many others who kind of started from scratch and are taking significant share away from the non-fiber players because customer wants better. Will there be a time where the market will evolve to a degree where that convergence becomes the predominant theme, perhaps. And when that time comes, we will be ready. And I think BCE is also uniquely positioned from that point of view because we are also an expert wireless operator. We know what we're doing. We have extensive global relationships in the wireless space. So we can bring that expertise to bear to Ziply Fiber when the time comes.
But you can see it in the results, the absence of a wireless offering in Ziply Fiber has not slowed them down. In fact, I think the absence of a wireless offering has perhaps enhanced the early success of Ziply Fiber because Ziply is able to offer such a compelling, simple package to consumers. There's 3, 4 Internet packages, pick the one you want. It's easy and off you go, there's no confusion. The pricing is simple. And so the customer service and the NPS scores are through the roof and you see the penetration.
Well, even though -- yes, it's interesting, even those who push convergence, you say it begins with the network. So I take your point. I think you're right.
So maybe we'll kind of pivot a bit to the Canadian wireless and broadband businesses. But I wanted to get there kind of by asking about kind of your business transformation initiatives and mostly in the context of we've seen prices in Canada, especially on the wireless side, kind of really step down, which highlights how the pricing environment can change more quickly than the cost structure of an organization, especially large organizations. But you're busy attacking costs. And I think you have a lot of avenues where costs get down on the copper side and on combining systems. So maybe just touch on where you are on that business transformation on that cost-cutting journey and how much more kind of room there is to run there?
Yes. So that's -- this is a really important one because as prices go down, obviously, you need to get your -- align your cost structure with price and revenues for sure. And if you go back to what we've consistently stated certainly throughout 2025 is we are focused on 4 strategic initiatives or 4 strategic pillars: putting the customer first; delivering the best fiber and wireless networks; leading an enterprise with AI-powered solutions; and building a digital media and content powerhouse.
So those are the 4 key strategic pillars. And we say all of that is supported by our business transformation initiatives. And what we're trying to do is take out a massive amount of costs while at the same time, delivering better experiences for our customers. And you do that by, again, focusing on those 4 priorities and making the right investments in those 4 and making sure you cut costs in other areas. And that's how you're able to deliver better experiences at lower cost.
So things like what are we doing? First of all, get calls out of the system. Customers who are on fiber, call less. So that's kind of -- it's basic, but it's true. It's massive cost reduction where you have fiber, they call less. When they do call, we use AI technologies to -- first of all, we don't want them -- if they have an issue, we don't want them to call. So we direct them to self-serve. When self-serve doesn't work, then they need to call in. We make sure that we have kind of virtual agents or chatbots or voice-assisted agents to interact with the customer. So again, that reduces cost. So fewer calls, more self-install, use virtual agents where you can. And then finally, when the issue is too complex, you have an expert case manager who can handle the issue without multiple transfers.
Every single one of those things reduces cost, delivers better experience. Then you have self-install has reduced -- there's been a tremendous amount of take-up on self-install, particularly, of course, it's where we have fiber. That's reduced our overall cost. When there is an issue with your network, we direct the customers first to virtual repair to repair the issues themselves. It saves them time. It's quite intuitive, lowers cost for us, saves them time, better experience, lower cost for us, better for us and our shareholders.
So those are the kinds of things that we're doing all the way through. And the more of this you do, the better it gets, the more savings you have. And that's why we've been quite comfortable sharing kind of our journey on cost transformation and keep upping the targets. But those are the kinds of -- there's a whole bunch of other things we're doing, of course, but those are the big, big, big ones that lower costs and improve the customer experience. And it's no accident that in an environment the last 3 years where prices have compressed, like you've pointed out, we've grown our consolidated margins or kept them stable depending on the quarter.
Yes. No, that's great. So maybe focusing a bit on just like the wireless market. Obviously, it was the back-to-school season, very important season in Canada, typically kind of characterized by elevated promotional activity. I mean, for what it's worth, like my observation when I was walking around the malls before coming down here for the conference was it seemed pretty mute. But there were deals, obviously, everyone had device promotions. But I wanted to get your kind of take on how that shaped up kind of nationally and if there was pockets of elevated promotion or maybe something below the line that was hard to see from an observer's perspective.
Yes. Again, on this question, let me start first with focusing on a key kind of investment theme. So Canada has always in the past had been quite -- thematically was a good place to invest if you wanted to be in wireless, particularly given the stability of the environment across multiple proof points, industry structure, pricing, et cetera. That changed with kind of the price compression and the price disruption in the last couple of years. But I think we're starting to come back to that theme of Canadian wireless stability. It is a different -- the pricing has stabilized at a different level than it was in 2019. I mean that's just a fact.
But you're seeing green shoots of stability in the pricing environment, which is an undeniably good thing. And I think it's a good thing all around. You've got 4 competitive players. Consumers are benefiting from that. They get a lot of value for high-performing networks, which are among the best in the world. And then from an investment perspective, we're now through -- I think we're starting to have confidence to say that we appear to be through the significant ramp down in pricing to stability to slight growth. And we started hinting at that in Q2 as an industry, certainly we have, but saying, look, we've got to wait until back-to-school. That will be the next proof point.
I think on back-to-school, which we're at the tail end of, you've seen -- first of all, the rack rate pricing or the standard service pricing is higher than it was a year ago, like $5, $6, $7, particularly at the lower end of the market. And the level of discounting during the back-to-school period was the same as last year. In other words, it wasn't deeper. So you had kind of relatively stable discounting in certain pockets, but off of higher base pricing. So -- and then I think it was -- the volumes are down. The market is still growing, but the volumes are down because of, again, fewer newcomers coming to Canada.
But I think what we started to see in Q2, I think, has held in Q3. So I think back thematically, we're -- I think we're back to the stability of the Canadian environment in wireless with growth to come as we look into the back half of next year.
And with that stability, are we beginning to see -- if nobody is being overly aggressive promoting, should that create kind of less churn across the system? I think one quarter can be one way or the other. But if this is the trend we're on, should that be the natural result? Or is it the case that when volumes are down, it's kind of inevitable that people are going to just fight harder, promote harder for the few that remain out in the market? Like how do you think about -- what are you seeing? And what do you expect?
I think there's a desire in the industry. I mean everybody, of course, wants their fair share. But you go through a transition, right? When the market is -- the market growth declines, still growth, I can say that again. But when the market growth is declining and at the beginning of that decline, you see your sales and net adds declining, kind of you're unsure or not where you sit vis-a-vis the others.
But I think we've all figured out the markets decline. So when we each get our fair share, it's going to be -- you're going to get the fair share you want, but the absolute numbers are going to be less, but nobody wins on how many sales or net adds you get. You win on the financial results you're able to deliver based on the market share that you get. And in our case, I think that's where we have -- so thematically, wireless market stabilizing. But again, a BCE theme is we have the most upside in wireless compared to the others.
And I would say that just even in the context of just getting fair share, not outsized share and why? We have distribution strength. We have best networks. We have the most trusted brand in the industry. We have the most upside on churn reduction, so retention. And you can see our churn on an absolute level is still higher than our competitors, which is not where we want it to be. But our decline -- our rate of improvement in churn has improved the most. I think we have a lot of more churn upside to come. And we have been very consistent certainly for the last for many years.
But while I've been CEO, we've been very consistent in saying that our primary focus is premium brand loadings. And you see like everything we said we would do in the recent past, we have done. We said we were going to tilt very heavily towards the Bell brand. We're doing that. The majority of our -- the significant majority of our sales and net adds come on the Bell brand. We said we were going to reduce churn, we have. We said we were going to drive towards leading the industry in a number of kind of having the lowest number of complaints in the industry because no one wants that. We've done that. So we have a lot of upside.
So I think my view is the winner is the player that's able to capture a fair share of the growth that's there on the premium brand and deliver improvement on the financial side as we come out and get into that stable period.
And if you -- I mean, do you see a difference in churn? I mean, you are converged in most markets, but there are some where you're not. I mean, do you see within Canada, a benefit to your business? And is there more upside to run on that front where you could -- convergence could increase even more, the percentage penetration of converged customers could increase and that would be a natural avenue to lowering churn, lowering cost of retention because there's just stickier?
Yes. We have a lot of -- I think we have more upside than anybody else on improving churn, particularly on wireless, but that would include fiber Internet. And where does that come from? It comes from a whole number of things. So what I said before on delivering better experiences and driving calls out because they have a better network and making sure you address the customers' problem very quickly by -- through self-serve and virtual repair and those things, that is a big determinant of NPS improvement and churn reduction. So take that as a given. We're going to keep working on that.
We find that where we have fiber, the churn is significantly better than where we don't. I think that's pretty obvious, where we sell wireless and wireline together and households who have both services from us have better churn and higher lifetime value. And as you increase product intensity in a home, you tend to see higher lifetime value, lower churn. And so that's a function of the breadth of services you sell that you can sell at a positive margin, and you're talking about fiber Internet, wireless content, particularly streaming bundles now, and we've launched a couple of -- a few compelling content offers in the marketplace where you have Crave and TSN, Crave is a premium entertainment product. TSN is the sports leaders. You have Crave TSN, you have Crave Disney+, Netflix and combinations of those. Our residential business is selling those bundles. You'll see our media business also selling those bundles.
What -- where we're uniquely advantaged compared to everybody else is we have owner economics on several of those products, TSN, Crave in particular, the others don't. And then other valued services -- other value-added services where we think we can stand apart. So we are offering Perplexity as an example, Perplexity AI to our customers back to the AI theme. Adding those services together increases product intensity, lowers churn. So those are the things we're doing to add value to our customers, increase NPS, increase lifetime value, lower churn. I mean the all go together.
So the Perplexity, that would be like you're paying a subscription or that gets -- it's a subscription-based app that through a bundle gets included for customers? Is that how...
Correct. Over time, what will happen there is if the customer wants to buy, wants access to Perplexity Pro, they pay a monthly fee to Perplexity, and we'll get our revenue share of that.
So it's just using our -- in this case, it's using our vast distribution strength in Canada. That's why Perplexity wants to partner with us, obviously. And for us, it allows us to add value to our customers in a way that adds margin to our business.
Okay. And then on -- just on -- maybe on broadband generally, I know that there was a time when you were leaning in very aggressively to kind of increase share, particularly in Quebec, it seemed to be the primary region of focus. That's waned in certain markets. I'm just wondering if you could let us know your stance on that. You obviously will always compete aggressively, but it was heightened there for a while. Like how is that kind of evolving? And where does that stand today?
Yes. So where we have fiber and the footprint is tenured. In other words, we've had it for 5, 6 years. We've seen our market share in fiber -- tenured fiber footprint be quite strong. We're into the high 40s, low 50%, which is pretty impressive. And so we have that in Ontario, and I think you've seen stability in the market. Again, the providers, particularly in Ontario, are adding -- giving significant value to the consumer there. We've got best networks in the world, the fastest speeds at good prices. So you've seen the prices stabilize there.
In Quebec, this is what you're referring to in terms of some aggressiveness. We have been pretty open that we needed to load the network that we built in Quebec because we were -- the market share was too low. That has also improved quite significantly. It's not where it is. Our market share in Quebec is not where it is in other parts of the country. But we're at a point where, again, it comes down to me to balancing share with financials. And so we have -- I think we have tempered some of the pricing actions that we've had in the Quebec marketplace the last couple of years, but we're not -- it's a competitive market. So we're not the only player in town. And I think the cable company sees market share erosion and sometimes decides it's going to lean more towards protecting financials. At other times, it decides it's going to try to protect market share. And so we have to react to that. And sometimes it changes from week to week.
Well, thank you again for joining. What a difference a year makes. I think the conversation went from how are you going to fix one thing or another to now it's how are you going to grow in AI? What's the opportunity? How are you going to grow with Ziply, what's the opportunity? And are we on the tail end of some improvement in wireless? So I think it's a much more constructive conversation this year.
Yes. I think I'll end -- If I have 6 seconds here, I'll end with we have delivered in 2025, everything we said we were going to do. I said we were going to strengthen the balance sheet. We've done that. We said we're going to focus on 4 priorities. We've done that. We thematically think there's a great opportunity in AI in the places where we have a right to win. The enterprise business has kind of been largely underappreciated. I think that's starting to change. You see the Ziply growth potential, the significant execution upside in our core business in Canada. And we didn't talk about media, but we'll be one of the very few former traditional media companies that is going to deliver consistent revenue and EBITDA growth on an annual basis, and it's because of the strategic moves we've made over the last 5 years to pivot from traditional media to be a fully digital medium content player. So I think just reinforcing what you said, I mean, a year has made a big difference.
Big difference. Yes, very positive. Well, thank you again for joining the conference, and thank you, everyone, for attending.
Thank you.
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BCE Inc. — Bank of America 2025 Media
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📣 Kernbotschaft
- Takeaway: Bell richtet sich als Kandidat für „souveräne“ KI‑Infrastruktur in Kanada aus (Daten und Technik bleiben im Land) und treibt parallel US‑Wachstum über Ziply Fiber voran. Strategie: Full‑stack‑Ansatz mit capital‑light‑Partnerschaften, ergänzt durch Kosten- und Digital‑Transformation zur Margenstabilisierung.
🎯 Strategische Highlights
- AI‑Stack: Bell baut ein „Bell AI Fabric“ auf: Netzwerk + purpose‑built Data‑Centers, Partner‑Compute (z.B. Groq, BUZZ), LLM‑Partner (Cohere) und AI‑Advisory über Ateko.
- Kapitalstrategie: Fokus auf kapitalleichte Partnerschaften; geplante Investitionsspanne für AI Fabric ~200–300 Mio. CAD über 2,5–3 Jahre; BCE strebt 14,5% Kapitalintensität an.
- US‑Fiber & Ateko: Ziply‑Deal früher geschlossen als erwartet; Ziel >3 Mio. Homes bis 2028 (Ambition: 8 Mio.). Ateko (Managed Services) soll von ~200–250 Mio. auf ~1 Mrd. Umsatz bis 2030 wachsen.
🔭 Neue Informationen
- Groq‑Modell: Im ersten BC‑Rechenzentrum nutzt Groq eigenes Inferencing‑Compute und mietet Kapazität von Bell; das von manchen verwendete Revenue‑share‑Modell kommt hier nicht zum Einsatz.
- Operative Details: Erstes KI‑Rechenzentrum in BC gestartet (Juni genannt). Management betont bessere als erwartete Ziply‑Performance; konkrete Investitionsrahmen und Cap‑intensity wurden wiederholt.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Compute‑Konstrukte: Nachfrage nach dem Groq‑Geschäftsmodell — Management klärte: Groq stellt derzeit Compute selbst, andere Modelle bleiben möglich.
- Ziply‑Tempo: Fragen zum Rollout‑Tempo und Wettbewerbsdruck in den USA; Antwort: Finanzierung (PSP‑Partner) und operatives Team sichern beschleunigte Builds.
- Wireless‑Umfeld: Back‑to‑school, Preisstabilität und Churn: Management sieht Zeichen für Stabilisierung der Preise, weniger aggressive Promotions und weiteres Churn‑Upside durch Fiber‑Konvergenz.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Implikation: Bell setzt auf langfristiges, wachstumsstarkes AI‑ und US‑Fiber‑Geschäft bei relativ moderatem Mitteleinsatz durch Partnerschaften. Kurzfristig bleibt der Impact begrenzt; mittelfristig Potenzial in 100er‑Mio.‑Skala Umsatz und weiterer Churn‑/Margin‑Verbesserung. Entscheidend bleibt Execution bei Data‑Centers, Groq‑Partnerschaften und Ziply‑Rollout.
BCE Inc. — Q2 2025 Earnings Call
1. Management Discussion
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the BCE Q2 2025 Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Kris Somers. Please go ahead, Mr. Somers.
Thank you, Matthew. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call. With me here today are Mirko Bibic, BCE's President and CEO; and our CFO, Curtis Millen.
You can find all our Q2 disclosure documents on the Investor Relations page of the bce.ca website, which we posted earlier this morning.
Now, before we begin, I'd like to draw your attention to our safe harbor statement on Slide 2, reminding you that today's slide presentation and remarks made during the call will include forward-looking information, and therefore, are subject to risks and uncertainties. Results could differ materially. We disclaim any obligation to update forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Please refer to our publicly filed documents for more details on assumptions and risks.
With that out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Mirko.
Thanks, Kris, and good morning, everyone. So earlier this year, as you know, I shared the strategic plan and capital allocation strategy that will guide Bell in driving sustainable free cash flow growth and shareholder value in the near and long term. And I'm pleased to report that in Q2, the Bell team made meaningful progress towards our objectives.
Bell's unique and differentiated assets continue to work together to diversify our revenue streams and to drive overall performance. We remain deeply committed to executing our plan, and it's delivering results.
I'd now like to provide an update on our progress against each of our 4 focused strategic priorities, which are putting the customer first, delivering the best fiber and wireless networks, leading an enterprise with AI-powered solutions and building a digital media and content powerhouse. Moreover, we'll continue to modernize and simplify how we do business and how we operate.
Turning to Slide 4. For 145 years, our purpose has been rooted in connection. We connect Canadians with each other. We empower our enterprise clients to connect with our customers. Through consistent long-term investments in core infrastructure, we've enabled Canadians to connect to the latest global technology innovations.
Our objective is to put our customers at the heart of every interaction with us. We know their time is valuable, and that's why we're prioritizing self-serve tools to help customers get the support they need whenever they need it. And I'm delighted to share some of our initiatives and the tangible results we've seen so far. So let's turn to Slide 5.
Our self-installed program started in Ontario and Quebec in 2020, enabling customers to install their Bell services on their own schedule. It's been a resounding success. Since 2022, more than 1 million self-installs have been performed, and over 90% of new residential customers are opting to do their own installation. It's more convenient for our customers and generates significant cost savings.
Our customers can use our AI-powered virtual repair diagnostics tool to detect and resolve a wide range of technical issues without a support call or a technician visit. And since 2022, 1.2 million calls have been eliminated as a result. And our AI-powered virtual assistant has been rolled out nationally for online chat support with much more natural conversations with our customers. Again, saves time for our customers and improves productivity for Bell.
Customer-first initiatives like these materially improve customer satisfaction. They lead to improved churn, higher customer lifetime value and better financial performance. The next key priority area for us is to deliver the best fiber and wireless networks. Last Friday, we were delighted to announce the completion of our acquisition of Ziply Fiber, the leading fiber Internet provider in the U.S. Pacific Northwest, and we did this several months ahead of schedule. I want to thank the Bell and Ziply teams for their dedication and their perseverance in making this happen.
We're pleased to welcome Ziply Fiber colleagues to the BCE family, and we look forward to working together to accelerate and to expand their fiber build, reaching more communities and delivering the connectivity and service that Ziply fiber customers deserve. This acquisition expands Bell's fiber footprint by 1.4 million locations, and it cements our position as the third largest fiber Internet provider in North America. This marks a key milestone in our fiber growth strategy and diversifies our fiber revenues in an unregulated geography.
By combining Bell's deep fiber expertise with Ziply Fiber's experienced management team, we're creating a powerful platform for material long-term growth, scale and geographic diversification that positions us to unlock significant value for our shareholders. Our strategic partnership with PSP Investments will support Ziply's fiber infrastructure in underserved markets in the U.S., and we'll do that in a financially disciplined way. The plan is to reach a total of 8 million fiber passings in the U.S.
Ziply has been outperforming our expectations with the team driving very strong customer acquisition and penetration on its fiber network. These metrics will get even better as we go forward as we capture the incremental synergies and growth opportunity from the PSP partnership. Curtis will share some of our expectations for Ziply's 2025 financial and operational performance when he speaks next.
In Canada, this quarter, we delivered 27,000 new FTTH customers, a strong result amidst the slowdown in our Canadian fiber build and pricing, reflective of the significant value we deliver to customers. This contributed to Internet revenue growth of 3%. We continue to capture the majority of new growth in the areas where we have fiber. Fiber is a superior service offering, and it resonates with customers. Fiber continues to drive higher multiproduct penetration, contributing to an 8% increase in households subscribing to mobility and Internet service bundles where we have fiber.
In wireless, our relative performance has improved meaningfully. We added 94,479 new net mobile phone subscribers in Q2. This demonstrates our execution upside on gross activations and customer retention. Notably, postpaid churn improved 12 basis points to 1.06%, marking the first quarter of year-over-year improvement in nearly 3 years. It's a clear highlight in the quarter, and it's a direct result of customer service improvements, increased product intensity and effective real-time retention offers.
We added 44,547 new net postpaid wireless subscribers this quarter and all were on our main Bell brand. This is consistent with our operating strategy to focus on better quality, profitable and margin-accretive subscriber acquisition. Prepaid net adds were relatively steady versus last year at 49,932 as our strategy to better address the value and newcomer market with our Lucky Mobile brand continues to hunt.
Q2 marked the third straight quarter of year-over-year ARPU improvement with a decline of 0.7%. Our result this quarter reflected sustained competitive pricing pressure and lower roaming due in part to decreased travel to the U.S. These factors were partly offset by nonrecurring revenues from the G7 Summit. We regained operating momentum in wireless with a focus on best networks, customer experience, product intensity and churn reduction. We expect to continue to capture our fair share of subscriber additions and to strengthen our financial performance going forward.
Turning to Slide 6 now. It's great to discuss the enterprise growth strategy that we've been thoughtfully building out over the past couple of years. Our strategy -- basically, in summary, our strategy is based on reinventing our core services and our core service delivery and leading the country in AI-powered technology solutions. So I'll start first with the reinvention of our core services and service delivery.
Everybody knows we're the largest provider of core connectivity and communication services to enterprises in Canada. We're modernizing what we're doing by developing Unified Communication as a Service and Network as a Service, and we're leveraging our partnerships with Zoom, ServiceNow and Salesforce, among others. We expect this modernization to move core enterprise services towards positive growth.
Importantly, and we've talked about this several times, we've also broadened our suite of offerings in ways that are adjacent, unregulated and complementary to our core services with AI-powered technology solutions. These offerings are driving strong growth, and we expect that momentum to continue. One key element of that is to lead in cybersecurity. Bell already had a robust security business, and this was enhanced with our acquisition of Stratejm last year.
The combination of Stratejm's fully automated cloud-based AI-powered security operations center and the Bell Network platform is a unique and compelling offering for our customers. Another key element is Ateko, which we launched in May with a focused specialization in 5 major platforms used globally: ServiceNow, Salesforce, AWS, Azure and Google Cloud. Ateko is also focused, as we've talked about before, on 4 industry verticals, where we have deep customer relationships, and those are financial institutions, utilities, public sector and TMT.
And the final key component of the BBM growth strategy is Bell AI Fabric. And it's about being the backbone of Canada's AI ecosystem. And Bell AI Fabric is essentially comprised of 4 layers. There's a hardware infrastructure layer, which includes Canada's largest sovereign AI data centers on the largest fiber network. There's a software infrastructure layer, which includes LLMs customized for Bell to offer unique capabilities for the Canadian market. There's advisory, tech and professional services led by Ateko and the application layer of consumer and business AI applications.
I'll share more on Bell's significant opportunity in AI service offerings in a few minutes. But you put all those together, we've got a unique set of inter-related assets and expertise that cannot be replicated in Canada. And the common glue to all this is the highly trusted Bell brand, our superior networks and our deep long-standing enterprise relationships. The strategy is highly differentiated, and it's delivering results right now, as you can see. This is in stark contrast to North American peers who've seen significantly higher rates of decline for their enterprise businesses.
I'll move over to Slide 7. Still more on BBM, Bell Business Markets. It delivered a record quarter of revenue growth, driven by net positive contributions from all 4 growth vectors I just talked about. Core connectivity and communication services, which represents the largest portion of BBM revenues, those stabilized in Q2 and showed modest growth.
As expected, Ateko and our cybersecurity business are growing rapidly and so is AI Fabric. And as I mentioned, Bell has always connected Canadians to technology at scale. It's a core skill. The next generation of large-scale technology infrastructure is sovereign AI compute. It will deeply transform Canada the way the telephone and Internet did. We're uniquely placed to build and to manage this infrastructure in Canada for Canada.
As I mentioned, our ambition is to become the backbone of Canada's AI economy, just as we've been the foundation of the country's communications infrastructure for the past 145 years. Bell AI Fabric will deliver high-performance, sovereign and environmentally responsible AI computing services to Canadian businesses, researchers and public institutions.
Just want to emphasize, this is not a standard colocation business. Bell AI Fabric is going to encompass purpose-built AI data centers with a cluster of high-impact AI services attached to them. They'll feature cutting-edge enterprise-grade AI technology, enabling faster, more efficient processing tailored for large language models and AI workloads.
Since announcing our first AI fabric facility in Kamloops in June. In partnership with Groq, we've seen strong interest from potential partners looking to work with us. You saw that recently when we announced a partnership with Cohere, a global leader in large language models, who will join us to provide full stack sovereign AI solutions for government and enterprise customers across Canada, accelerating adoption and driving innovations in our Canadian economy.
We're going to enable the creation of truly end-to-end sovereign AI bundled solutions. AI fabric, again, represents a meaningful future unregulated revenue and EBITDA stream and new free cash flow vertical for Bell's enterprise business. Demand for Canadian AI data centers is projected to grow at an annual rate exceeding 20%. This growth is distinct from the surging demand for compute, inferencing, large language models and other AI-driven solutions, which also continues to accelerate across industries.
So given our strategic advantages, we're well positioned to capture a significant share of the AI opportunity. We have national fiber connectivity, owned or leased land in key locations, access to a significant amount of low-cost power and cooling and deep customer relationships, and we can provide a full stack of services that a customer would need. We have the scale and the right to win in this business. Again, it's real and delivering results right now at manageable investments -- at manageable investment levels, fully reflected in our leverage and capital intensity targets.
Now turning to media. Digital was up 9% over last year and now makes up 43% of total media revenues. Driving this performance was Crave, which grew direct streaming subscribers by 72% over last year as well as continued growth in products such as Connected TV, Crave with ads and FAST channels. Investments to sustain the strategic shift are continuing with a major expansion of Crave to offer CTV and Noovo, entertainment content, news, select sports and a larger kid's collection.
We've got new streaming bundle offers that include Disney+, Crave and TSN for the Canadian market and integration of the Bell marketing platform into the Trade Desk, providing advertisers with seamless access to Bell's premium first-party data and custom audience building capabilities. Bell Media has delivered a strong first half, and it's because of our digital pivot and our focus on flagship franchises, and it's paying off after 5 years of dedicated effort and investment.
While we expect Bell Media to generate positive revenue and EBITDA for the full year, segment results may be somewhat uneven due to industry dynamics and near-term macroeconomic headwinds that may impact advertiser demand in the second half of this year. That said, our goal remains unchanged for Bell Media to consistently delivered annual revenue and EBITDA growth while contributing meaningful free cash flow to BCE.
Slide 8 provides a summary of the Q2 metrics I've already covered. So before I turn it over to Curtis, I should say that obviously, we're disappointed with the decision of the federal government last night to decline to alter the CRTC's decision to expand mandatory wholesale access. At this stage, we urge the government and the CRTC to ensure that network builders are fully compensated for the significant build cost and investment risk they take in building.
And I also want to emphasize that the Bell team remains sharply focused on executing our strategic plan and delivering value for customers and shareholders. We're building Made in Canada tech services champions with Ateko and Bell Cyber. We're building the backbone of the AI ecosystem with Bell AI Fabric. We continue to invest significantly in Canadian content as Canada's digital media content leader.
These are the types of major investments BCE continues to make In Canada to connect Canadians with each other with their customers and with technology. We will generate growth through our customer first initiatives, our renewed momentum in wireless, our momentum in enterprise and now significant growth in the unregulated U.S. fiber market. And therefore, I'm pleased to announce that BCE will host an Investor Day on October 14 in Toronto, where we'll showcase how the elements of our strategy come together in a highly differentiated way to create long-term shareholder value, and we'll share additional details shortly with all of you.
And as we look to the future, I want to reiterate our unwavering focus on disciplined execution, financial resilience and value creation, and I want to thank the Bell team for their hard work and for delivering results for our customers and our shareholders.
And with that, over to you, Curtis.
Thank you, Mirko, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin on Slide 10 with BCE's consolidated financial results. In the second quarter, we returned a total positive revenue growth, delivering a solid 1.3% increase. This is the direct result of our successful fiber strategy, our ability to attract and retain premium wireless subscribers and drive greater cross-sell penetration of mobility and Internet households, continued digital media growth and our momentum in enterprise as our AI-powered technology solutions are driving rapid growth.
EBITDA was down 0.9% due to higher cost of goods sold associated with significant growth in product revenue. Net earnings and statutory EPS were up over last year due to lower asset impairment charges as well as a noncash loss recorded in Q2 of '24 on BCE's share of an obligation to repurchase the minority interest in a joint venture equity investment at fair value. Adjusted EPS was down 19.2%, reflecting some noncash mark-to-market losses on FX hedges and options, higher interest expense and lower year-over-year tax adjustments.
Consistent with our plan to reduce capital spending by approximately $500 million in 2025, CapEx was down $215 million in Q2, bringing year-to-date CapEx savings of $488 million. We have also delivered a solid 5% increase in free cash flow in the second quarter.
Turning to Bell CTS on Slide 11. Financial performance of Bell Business Markets was a clear highlight this quarter. After putting the building blocks in place over the past few years, momentum is building with strong demand for our unique and differentiated suite of enterprise services, the BBM team drove significant year-over-year growth in revenues in the second quarter. And although already pointed out by Mirko, it bears repeating that all 4 elements of Bell Business Markets contributed to this result.
This includes modest growth in core connectivity and communication services, which represents the largest portion of BBM revenues, rapid growth in Bell's Ateko managed services and our cybersecurity business and the introduction of Bell AI Fabric with our first facility launched in June. Under this AI data center agreement, we recognized revenue and EBITDA upon delivery with annual cash flow to be realized over the coming years.
Internet revenue was up 3%, a solid result showing we are striking a healthy balance between subscriber growth and disciplined pricing supported by fiber. Greater sales of mobility -- mobile devices from higher upgrade volumes and contracted activations also contributed to higher revenues on the product side in Q2.
Wireless service revenue was down 0.3%. This represents a second straight quarter of improvement in the year-over-year rate of decline. Our results this quarter reflects competitive pricing pressures that were partially offset by nonrecurring revenue related to the G7 Summit. Despite a 1% increase in total CTS revenues, Q2 EBITDA declined by 1.6%, primarily due to a 3.2% rise in operating costs. This increase was driven by higher cost of goods sold, reflecting significant growth in product revenues this quarter.
Turning to Bell Media on Slide 12. Continued digital momentum and solid overall financial performance marked by a fifth consecutive quarter of revenue and EBITDA growth. Total Q2 revenue was up approximately 4%. This result was driven by an 8.1% increase in sub revenue on the back of continued strong Crave and sports DTC streaming growth. The F1 Canadian Grand Prix and our acquisition of Sphere Abacus also contributed to higher revenue this quarter.
Despite strong digital video ad growth in the quarter, total advertising revenue was down 3.1% due to continued weakness in traditional broadcast TV advertiser demand for non-sports program and the previously announced divestiture of 45 radio stations, of which the majority were completed during the quarter. Consistent with the increase in revenue, Media EBITDA was up 7.8%, driving a 1.1 point increase in margin to 27.9%, really strong performance by Bell Media with growth across revenue, EBITDA and margins.
Turning to Slide 13. Balance sheet remains quite well positioned with $3.8 billion of available liquidity and a strong solvency surplus of $4.1 billion for all BCE-defined benefit pension plans. Our reported net debt leverage ratio at the end of Q2 was approximately 3.5x adjusted EBITDA. This does not reflect our acquisition of Ziply Fiber, which closed on August 1, and was funded with the $4.2 billion in net sale proceeds from MLSE received at the beginning of July, together with cash on hand.
We are assuming $2.6 billion of incremental Ziply Fiber net debt that has been rolled over and remains outstanding. We are targeting a year-end 2025 net debt leverage ratio of approximately 3.8x, reflecting the impact of the MLSE sale and Ziply Fiber acquisition. On a pro forma basis, adjusted to include 12 months of Ziply Fiber EBITDA, our net debt leverage ratio would be approximately 3.7x.
In addition, a review of noncore assets continues to progress. I'm pleased to report that we have entered into an agreement to sell our home security and monitored alarm assets with the transaction expected to close later this year. In line with our capital allocation priorities, proceeds from this divestiture will be reused to reduce our leverage ratio and strengthen our balance sheet.
Moving to Slide 14. Ziply Fiber will operate as a separate business unit with the results reported separately beginning in Q3 2025. In the meantime, to assist investors with their financial modeling, I will share some of our expectations for Ziply Fiber's 2025 financial and operating performance. As you'll see, Ziply Fiber continues to deliver consistently strong results, driven by the strength of its fiber-to-the-prem platform.
During the interim period, performance remained robust with both revenue and EBITDA tracking ahead of our expectations we set at the time of announcement. Last quarter, we called out their impressive EBITDA growth of 17% in 2024. This is projected to accelerate to 20% plus in 2025, driven by continued operational execution and significant growth runway.
Ziply Fiber continues to grow its subscriber base, now providing high-speed Internet to approximately 440,000 retail subscribers, 85% of which are on pure fiber service. Ziply Fiber's more mature tenured markets have already reached 40% penetration. That compares with an average penetration of 23% in locations built in the last few years. So there's still meaningful growth ahead on the current footprint, particularly when you consider that over 40% of the fiber locations were built in the last 4 years. Our acquisition of Ziply Fiber is an important part of our plan to generate sustained core business top line and EBITDA growth at an attractive return on capital.
Lastly, turning to our updated financial guidance targets for 2025 as summarized on Slide 15. With the inclusion of Ziply Fiber in our operating results for 5 months this year, we are increasing both BCE's consolidated revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance for full year 2025 to a range of 0% to 2%. Our adjusted EPS guidance for 2025 is being revised to a range of minus 13% to minus 10% from the previous range of minus 13% to minus 8%. This is to reflect higher depreciation and amortization as well as increased interest expense assumptions related to the Ziply Fiber acquisition. This revised range does not reflect any purchase price allocation for Ziply Fiber as valuation has not yet been completed.
Given Ziply Fiber's planned CapEx spending to execute its in-footprint fiber build-out for the remaining 5 months of the year, our expectation for BCE capital intensity increases to approximately 15% in 2025 from 14% previously.
As a reminder to investors, our previously announced partnership with PSP Investments, which is on track to close later this year, significantly reduces the capital investment by BCE and Ziply Fiber and improves free cash flow during the network build phase. As a result, our U.S. fiber build-out can be accelerated, and we continue to expect to maintain pro forma combined company capital intensity at around 14.5%.
We would also expect our capital intensity to further decrease following Ziply Fiber's buildout of approximately 500,000 fiber locations in its copper footprint by year-end 2028. As a result, we are adjusting our free cash flow guidance for 2025 to a range of 6% to 11%. And I'll also qualify that our guidance ranges do not reflect the pending divestiture of Northwestel.
I'll now hand the call back to Kris and the operator to begin Q&A.
Thank you, Curtis. [Operator Instructions]
With that, Matthew, we are ready to take our first question.
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Stephanie Price from CIBC World Markets.
2. Question Answer
Hoping you can unpack the guidance a little bit more just in terms of your initial estimates of Ziply, any adjustments to your thoughts and anything outside of Ziply that's included in the revised guidance?
Stephanie, thanks for the call. So -- on the Ziply side of it, so as is in the presentation, Ziply, both on the revenue and the EBITDA side, continue to outperform our investment case and outperform what we -- the financials provided in November. So that continues to be a very good operating performance story.
And in terms of revised guidance, so I'd say the revised guidance reflects our current view of the combined company performance, right? So this is reported both the existing business and overlaid with the Ziply performance, but it's not a straight A plus B.
Okay. And maybe just a follow-up just on the free cash flow side. And maybe some comments on the free cash flow around Ziply expected for 2025?
Yes. So in somewhat odds with what I just said, Stephanie, on the free cash flow side, we are very happy with our Canadian free cash flow performance and midpoint of guidance in -- on the free cash flow metric actually is simply a Canadian expectation overlaid with Ziply Fiber.
Our next question is from Jerome Dubreuil from Desjardins Securities.
I'm interested in the kind of longer-term free cash profile that Ziply brings. So if you can please discuss the free cash flow profile evolution in the coming years because we're seeing the free cash headwind this year, but from my understanding, you have a bigger CapEx only in the first 2 years. And then there's a significant change in the CapEx profile with the InfraCo structure taken over. So if you can discuss maybe what is in the coming years, is there an inflection in free cash profile from Ziply?
Jerome, thanks for the question. So you're right, a few steppingstones, building blocks for that question. Again, the EBITDA performance at Ziply through the interim period has been very strong. Growth in 2024 was 17%, expected to be north of 20% in 2025. So continued EBITDA growth, which ultimately falls to free cash flow. And you're right, given the PSP partnership is fiber build partnership. What it allows us to do is once we're through the 500,000 fiber locations built in the Ziply copper footprint, the vast, vast majority of fiber build will be done through the PSP -- the partnership with PSP, which means CapEx at Ziply that we consolidate is largely kind of nearly all going to be success-driven in a much lower number dollar-wise. So you're right that we do continue to expect free cash flow growth, and frankly, accelerated once the PSP partnership is up and running, which we believe is going to happen by the end of this year.
Our next question is from Aravinda Galappatthige from Canaccord Genuity.
I wanted to dig in a little bit into Bell AI Fabric. Mirko, maybe you can just talk a little bit about the sort of the longer-term revenue opportunity here. I know in one of the press releases you've indicated at $9 billion TAM. I'm not sure how broad that sort of estimate is. How should sort of investors think about sort of the medium-term opportunity here from a revenue perspective, and then, obviously, the free cash flow elements as well?
Yes. So the -- and as I said in my opening remarks, thanks, Aravinda, we're going to execute on the enterprise growth strategy at a very manageable investment levels, and we expect it to generate significant IRRs on that strategy. And the growth, the TAM is large and the growth rates -- market growth rates are quite significant, and we're poised to compete and lead. And it's not just AI fabric, it's the way every element of the BBM strategy work in unison. So it starts with having the best network connectivity and having the ability to deliver a purpose-built AI data centers fast.
And in this environment, the time to power and the time to construction are a massive competitive advantage, and you saw that we were able to deliver a data center in June, and there are more to come on stream, and you'll see some interesting announcements in the weeks to come that show you the continued momentum in Bell AI Fabric.
But when we have the best networking, the access to the power and the cooling, the land and the building, the ability to stand up the facilities fast, it just spins the service revenue potential as well because now we have Ateko that goes in there and provides AI and technology and systems integration advisory services. We have the partnership with Cohere, where we can provide access to that software layer. And then, of course, we wrap everything in with cybersecurity services. So it's a powerful foundation for long-term growth, and it's a powerful recipe for our customers, and it's a significant opportunity to drive product intensity in the enterprise space because of that integration between all elements of the strategy, which are working in harmony. Team has done an amazing job putting this together over 18 months, and you're starting to see the results.
Thanks, Mirko. And just a quick follow-up before I hand the line on asset divestitures. I mean, we saw tower monetization transaction with TELUS recently. Beyond the $7 billion that you've sort of earmarked, how should we think of sort of the potential there beyond fiscal '25 to further sort of strengthen the balance sheet?
Thanks. So we don't have any updates to share at this time with respect to something like a potential tower sale or monetization of infrastructure. Earlier this year in February, we announced what our priorities were going to be, at least in the near term. And the focus for us has been to execute against each of those. And for example, close Ziply, get the PSP partnership done, get churn down.
We indicated that we're going to have a couple of noncore asset sales, and Curtis mentioned one on the home monitoring in Alarm. So that's been the priority to date. But clearly, we view our infrastructure as potentially a valuable source of capital, and we fully recognize the strategic value of a lot of our infrastructure that could be towers, could be AI fabric, it could be other things. And as we kind of demonstrate into investors with our U.S. expansion plans, we'll consider and certainly execute on partnership that help us achieve our long-term goals and that help us drive shareholder value. So it's a long way to say, Aravinda, that we're going to remain open to exploring opportunities and under the right conditions going forward.
Our next question is from Tim Casey from BMO Capital Markets.
Your wireless metrics were encouraging this quarter. Could you, Mirko, just talk a little bit about the market dynamics that drove that for BCE in Q2? And your assessment of -- I know it's early days in back-to-school, but what you're seeing in Q3?
And then just as a quick follow-up, just on the regulatory side, Mirko, it's -- are all your avenues of appeal exhausted with respect to the cabinet decision last night? Or should we anticipate that you'll try and seek other avenues there?
Thanks, Tim. Look, on wireless, really pleased with the performance that we delivered. And if you look on a first half of the year basis, you can see that over the course of the first 6 months of the year, we certainly captured our fair share of gross adds and net adds, and that's the goal. Again, it's all elements of the strategy working together in harmony to deliver those results and particularly a big, big focus on putting the customer first, and that has allowed our churn to come down dramatically. And there's more upside to come on churn execution, and the team is laser focused on that.
A couple of other elements, I think we all know, we see it across the industry that market growth is still growing, but not growing as fast as in years past, but we're still able to -- in particular as a result of the drop-off in newcomer growth. But we weren't as exposed to the newcomer segment as others, and there's still opportunity there for us. So that would have been one factor. Churn would be another factor.
And of course, we're kind of happy as we look into the beginnings of Q3 and going forward. I think we've got quite pleased with the pricing structure that we see with tiered pricing and better differentiation between brands, which allows us certainly to have kind of pricing that's appropriately reflective of the value that we provide to customers, both on the service side and the hardware pricing side.
And so we like the shift to tiered pricing. It allows us to separate the value prop of the different brands. It allows us to add more value to the customer, who is on the higher service rate plans, and then, we're able to differentiate even further with content, quality of service and other value drivers. So I'd say -- and our distribution -- our position on distribution has always been strong. So you put all those elements together, and you see the results that we delivered in wireless.
And then on the regulatory side, I think I'll leave it at what I said in my opening remarks. I mean, obviously, disappointed. We don't think it's the right decision. But now the focus is on ensuring that all of us who build networks in Canada get fully compensated for the significant cost of building and for the investment risk taken when we build. And that's what we're going to focus on right now. And obviously, at the macro level, continue to focus on driving growth in the various diversified revenue growth streams that we have. We're diversified geographically, and we're diversified in terms of the things we are investing in beyond network. And we spent a lot of time unpacking those media, the various elements of the enterprise strategy and the customer initiatives.
Our next question is from Maher Yaghi from Scotiabank.
I wanted to maybe just dig a little bit deeper into wireless. So the improvement in churn metrics, how sustainable are those? And are they coming dependent on a lot of handset financing efforts on your part to improve those churn metrics?
And second, on ARPU, again, in wireless, the improvement in the year-on-year decline, how should we think about those improvements? Can they be -- continue to improve as we go into the second half from here? You mentioned there are some one-time asks that helped the year-on-year decline in Q2? Curtis, maybe you can peel off a little bit here and see what could be sustained.
And lastly, you mentioned in your slides that about 40% of new Internet activations are coming with bundled wireless services. How much of your base is actually bundled? Or in another way, how much of that kind of push into bundling can be extended to your existing Internet subscriber base to help grow your wireless business even further?
Thanks, Maher, for the question. On ARPU, when you exclude the impact of the one-time items and particularly the lift from G7, our ARPU decline was closer to in line with previous quarters, but still industry-leading. So that's still quite positive. And the pace of ARPU improvement is going to largely depend on pricing stability in the second half of the year. The back book continues to transition into the new pricing environment. I'd say the new pricing environment right now, as I'm speaking to all of you, is better than it has been in months past.
So assuming pricing remains stable, we expect to see kind of positive ARPU movement within the next 3 to 5 quarters. So that bodes well. And so far so good as we see some signs of pricing stabilization in the beginning of Q3, and that's encouraging, particularly as we head into the busy back-to-school season.
On Internet, I would turn it over to Curtis to answer that one. I would say the focus certainly for us is going to be to penetrate the fiber plant that's already been built. There's lots of upside there because we have built a significant amount of new fiber passings in the last 3 years that that's not yet at full run rate in terms of penetration equilibrium. So we have upside there for sure.
And then -- Maher, it's Curtis, when I was going through the rest of your questions, the one that I had was, so on the handset product margin, it's a positive product margin and it's actually increased quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year.
And on churn reduction -- I'll pile on here. On the churn reduction, it's a multifaceted approach to churn reduction. So the retention activities that we've put in place, which kind of -- to which Curtis' answer relates. There's the broad customer service improvements. There's leaning into our distribution. So as I mentioned to Tim, it's multifaceted.
Okay. And just a follow-up, Curtis, you mentioned that the new guidance is a reflection of an updated view about your existing business plus Ziply. But maybe can you help us understand just to get a glimpse of how you're viewing your existing business now versus the beginning when you gave that guidance into wireless and wireline? Have the view improved or stayed the same or became a little bit less positive by segment? Just to understand how you're viewing the business now versus the beginning of the year.
Yes. Thanks, Maher. I probably can't provide all the detail you want on that. But when you have a moment to run through the math, you'll see -- if you look at midpoint of guidance relative to what it was and you kind of overlay what we've announced in terms of Ziply, you'll see revenue midpoint has increased. EBITDA has slightly decreased in line with consensus, and free cash flow is simply reflective where midpoint is kind of still the right place to be, just overlaying Ziply Fiber impact.
Our next question is from Vince Valentini from TD Cowen.
Curtis, can you just walk down exactly the USD 335 million? We can all do 5/12 of that and apply an exchange rate. Is that just simply what's added for Ziply in the last 5 months and the rest of the delta is changes in your Canadian guidance? Or is there some sort of accounting adjustment or integration or restructuring costs or anything else that would create that not being a straight line from USD 335 million to whatever is in your numbers?
Yes. Vince, you're on the right track. I mean, it's not ever going to be just exact 5/12, but you're on the right track, and it does reflect impact of our consolidated view. And again, we said the underlying business at Ziply continues to outperform. So I saw your note earlier, it's not a Ziply Fiber EBITDA. In fact, Ziply EBITDA is actually doing better than our investment case.
Okay. No, that's totally fine. I just want to make sure I understand where are the moving pieces. So if I take the USD 335 million relative to -- correct me if I'm wrong, $7.6 billion total enterprise value by the time the deal closed. I mean, that's 16.5x EBITDA is what you paid. I assume that's pre-synergies, but is there something wrong with that math?
Well, a few things, Vince. One, I wouldn't look at closing net debt, right? Transaction values are done on the announcement. We've accelerated fiber build and their subscriber acquisition in the interim period, which is a positive for us. So ultimately, the transaction multiple would be based on the 2025 EBITDA. So multiple has actually gone down since we announced.
And then a couple of other things, which -- impossible to see, but in terms of our ability to hedge U.S. dollars, between announcement and closing, we've probably picked up $100 million of value that we hadn't seen before. And then, of course, their Big Beautiful Bill has an NPV benefit on the tax side of the world. So again, NPV positive, changing depreciation and a few other things, which ultimately saves tax dollars, cash tax when they're a cash taxpayer, which is NPV that we hadn't seen at time of announcement, but wouldn't be reflected in EBITDA at closing. So we're still pretty comfortable. And the way we would look at it, multiple has come down over time, as EBITDA performance has gone up and adjustments to net transaction value have come to our side as well.
I'll just keep it to one less than Maher, but one last quick one, Alarm proceeds from that proposed transaction, you didn't disclose it. Is it -- I mean, it's not material?
No. It's in the disclosure. It's $90 million guaranteed with $80 million conditional, so $80 million earn-out.
From $170 million potential.
Correct.
Our next question is from Sebastiano Petti from JPMorgan.
I guess, congratulations on closing the Ziply transaction. But just thinking about, Mirko and Curtis, the U.S. opportunity, obviously, with PSP closing later in the year, has your view about organic growth within the market in trying to scale up the PSP JV passings organically through a build relative to perhaps some tuck-ins or smaller deals like that changed at all over the course of the last couple of months? Or is it still -- any update on that relative to perhaps initial expectations?
And then if you could just perhaps help us think about the converged opportunity. Obviously, lots of focus on that in the Canadian market, and you guys gave out some great statistics today, but how you're perhaps thinking about that evolving over time within Ziply and within the perhaps JV construct? Is that something we'll come back to further down the road? Or is that something we'll see maybe some movement on more near term?
Thanks, Sebastiano. Look, when talking about Ziply, the U.S. fiber market is very attractive and which is the reason why we're so pleased to have closed the deal last Friday. U.S. fiber deployment lags Canada. We know that. Only 50% or so of homes in the U.S. have fiber. So it's a way of saying that the opportunity is pretty significant there, as we start executing the fiber build, completing the copper overbuild for Ziply in its core ILEC market and activating at the same time a bit later this year, build engine with PSP. So there's -- that's the focus right now, which get the build -- continue the build engine of Ziply Fiber in its own right.
And as Curtis mentioned, they accelerated their build in the last 12 months compared to what they had been doing, so off to a very good start there, and you can see it in the results, and we're getting organized with PSP later this year to start activating the build engine there as well. So both will be performing together. It's not sequential. It's not like we're going to start building with PSP once we finish the 500,000 copper lines in Ziply Fiber's ILEC footprint, we're going to be running both more or less at the same time.
And I think I've said in the past as well, if there are opportunities that allow us to efficiently and cost effectively execute on the 8 million fiber passings plan with some accretive acquisitions, we'll take a look at it, and we'll take a look at it in conjunction with PSP. So that remains the high-level approach. There's no specific details to share on that point.
And on the convergence side of it, it remains the case that customers, whether or not they're in Canada or the U.S., consistently will choose the superior broadband product above all else. So Ziply Fiber today doesn't have a mobility offering, and the numbers on Page 14 of our slide deck speak for themselves, as it relates to their performance. That said, again, I'll reiterate, when the time comes to offer a bundled service, we will be ready. And again, on that, there's nothing to share this morning.
And can you -- maybe one quick -- I'll take a stab at it. But in terms of enterprise service revenue, is there any way to perhaps unpack maybe what that is in terms of the contribution at a CTS level? Just as we kind of think about the -- some of the growth drivers within BBM and maybe how that perhaps impacts the consolidated segment.
Yes. Thanks, Sebastiano. So as Mirko said, it's positive revenue growth across the 4. And I'd say it's low double-digit revenue growth across BBM. So we're quite happy with the momentum we've kind of built up here over the last 18 months, it's really starting to perform.
Our next question is from Drew McReynolds from RBC Capital Markets.
Maybe a follow-up there, Curtis, on the Bell business market. So obviously, great to see all the moving parts pick up here. Where does -- where do these kind of 3 or 4 revenue streams kind of fit into the segmented disclosure? Like obviously, we see product revenue. What fits into the wireless -- wireline data side? Can you help us kind of size that up a little bit?
Yes. Thanks for the question, Drew. So I think that the new item because the other items kind of work through generally the Ateko side of the world, and cybersecurity, service revenue for the most part. I mean, we will sell equipment, which will hit our product revenue. But again, those are managed services majority businesses.
And on the Fabric AI side, which is the newer business line, frankly, the answer to that is it depends. So it depends on the contract and the agreement partnership that we sign with third parties and customers, whether or not they'll be accounted for as financing leases or operating leases, which will determine whether or not those revenues actually hit service revenue or product revenue. So it's not a one-size-fits-all answer for you, apologies for that, but the accounting follows the contract, and the contract can lead it to either be service or product. So we'll try to help you along as we continue to monetize and sign more and more contracts that are in our funnel at this point.
Okay. No, that's great. And maybe a follow-up for you, Mirko, just back to the TPIA file and the rates needing to be kind of balanced. Just wondering from your perspective, as we get kind of a finalized framework here in Canada, what's your updated thoughts with respect to further fiber-to-the-home expansion? Assuming you get rates that you're pleased with, do you see further fiber expansion opportunities from a BCE perspective?
Well, we certainly have a fiber opportunity in Canada from -- we're going to be laser-focused on penetrating what we've already built, and we're close to 8 million homes and more fiber than everyone else. So that's going to be the focus right now. I mean, already you've seen quite unfortunately, a significant scaling back of our fiber build in the last 18 months. Not too long ago, when we were having these conversations, we were aiming to 9 million fiber locations passed. And that's largely going to plateau around the 8 million mark. So that gives you a sense of the impact the decisions already had.
So, I mean, right now, again, the focus is decision is a decision. So I look at it from this perspective. We've got a lot of opportunity with fiber that's already been built that hasn't been penetrated. That would be one. Secondly, again, I would urge the federal government and the CRTC to ensure that not just Bell, but all network builders get properly compensated for what's being built and what is going to be built. So that would be the second point. And the third point is I take a big step back. It's not we react to the signals around us. The rule has been in place. The TPIA rule has been in place since, I guess, it was fall of 2023.
If you look at our very tight 4-pillar strategy, they all work in unison, and they're allowing us to drive revenue growth in diversified ways, diversified domains and diversified geographies. So that's a very, very good thing for us.
Our next question is from Matthew Griffiths from Bank of America.
On the updated guidance for free cash flow, I know that includes obviously the contribution of Ziply, but does it also factor in the kind of bonus depreciation extension that was passed? And related to that, within the JV structure, will the U.S. operations on the CapEx side and the cash tax side continue to benefit from that extension of the bonus tax depreciation?
And then one final question. I was wondering, Mirko, if you could set some expectations for what you're planning to communicate on the October 14 Investor Day, whether it includes kind of a longer-term guidance, the way we often see these days with Investor Days or if it's you're planning some deeper dive into a certain segment of the business where we can potentially get some additional disclosure on numbers to match the kind of qualitative descriptions that we received? It just would be helpful to level set.
You should just come to October 14.
I will.
We'll -- so the short answer to this is we'll -- it's going to be an Investor Day, so we'll be laser-focused on sharing with you what we believe matters the most to our investor base. And the agenda is going to be structured around the 4 strategic pillars of growth that I've outlined time and again as well as basically, we've got 4 strategic pillars, and all of that is supported by the business transformation program and the amazing Bell team. So that's what we'll be showcasing all of those elements.
And then, Matthew, to your other question. So in terms of the bonus depreciation, there's no impact in 2025. So I guess it would be reflected, but there's no benefit captured. I think that cash benefit is going to be captured over time for us, but not in 2025.
And in terms of the JV structure, you're still going to be able to benefit from those rules? Or does the JV structure -- and this may be a silly question, but I'm just not sure how these type of structures can impact your ability to leverage kind of favorable tax legislation in a different country, so any clarity there would be helpful?
No, that the -- so it's a fair question, Matthew. That's the expectation, right? The entity that's going to be spending the capital gets the benefit from the 100% bonus depreciation. So the expectation is still be able to benefit within that partnership.
There are no further questions registered at this time. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Somers.
Thanks again, everyone, for your participation on the call this morning. Richard and I will be available throughout the day for follow-up questions or clarifications. Thanks, and have a great day.
Thank you, everyone.
Thanks, everyone.
The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.
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BCE Inc. — Q2 2025 Earnings Call
BCE Inc. — Q2 2025 Earnings Call
📊 Quartal auf einen Blick
- Umsatz: +1,3% YoY (konsolidiert, Q2 2025)
- EBITDA: -0,9% YoY
- Adjusted EPS: -19,2% YoY
- Free Cash Flow: +5% YoY
- Netto-Mobil‑Adds: +94.479 Postpaid‑Netto‑Zugänge; Internetumsatz +3%.
🎯 Was das Management sagt
- US‑Expansion: Abschluss der Ziply‑Akquisition (+1,4 Mio. Passings) und PSP‑Partnerschaft; Ziel: 8 Mio. U.S. Fiber‑Passings.
- Enterprise & AI: BBM‑Momentum durch Ateko, Cybersecurity und Bell AI Fabric (sovereign AI‑Rechenzentren, Partnerschaften wie Cohere).
- Kundenfokus: Self‑install, AI‑Diagnostik und virtuelle Assistenz reduzieren Kosten und senken Churn.
🔭 Ausblick & Guidance
- Umsatz/EBITDA: 2025 Guidance erhöht auf +0% bis +2% (konsolidiert, inkl. Ziply für 5 Monate).
- EPS: Adjusted EPS revidiert auf -13% bis -10% (höhere Abschreibungen und Zinsaufwand durch Ziply).
- CF/CapEx: Free Cash Flow 2025 nun 6%–11%; Kapitalintensität ~15% (vorher 14%); Jahrend‑Leverage‑Ziel ~3,8x.
❓ Fragen der Analysten
- Ziply‑Impact: Analysten forderten mehr Aufschlüsselung; Management betont, Ziply übertrifft Erwartungen, EBITDA >20% für 2025, FCF‑Verbesserung erwartet nach PSP‑InfraCo.
- AI‑TAM & Timing: Nachfrage nach konkreten Umsatzprojektionen für Bell AI Fabric; Management blieb qualitativ, verweist auf Partnerschaften und „managebare“ Investitionen.
- Wireless & Monetarisierung: Fragen zu Nachhaltigkeit von Churn‑ und ARPU‑Trends, Handset‑Finanzierung und möglichen Infra‑Monetarisierungen; Tower‑Verkäufe keine neuen Details, Home‑Alarm‑Verkauf: $90M garantiert + $80M Earn‑out.
⚡ Bottom Line
- Fazit: BCE zeigt wiederkehrendes Umsatzwachstum und klare strategische Diversifikation (US‑Fiber, AI, BBM). Kurzfristig drücken Ziply‑bezogene Abschreibungen und Zinskosten das EPS, langfristig bieten Ziply/PSP, AI Fabric und Enterprise‑Wachstum substanzielle upside‑Potenziale bei moderater CapEx‑Steuerung.
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| Bruttoertrag | 11.949 11.949 |
2 %
2 %
68 %
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| - Vertriebs- und Verwaltungskosten | 4.371 4.371 |
3 %
3 %
25 %
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| EBITDA | 7.578 7.578 |
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| - Abschreibungen | 3.758 3.758 |
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| EBIT (Operatives Ergebnis) EBIT | 3.820 3.820 |
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| Nettogewinn | 4.442 4.442 |
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